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Forget the Tory Party line then, you think it was good Thatcher scrapped free milk because some children's parents earned a lot of money, so do you also think that those same parents be getting Child Benefit, and therefore should it be scrapped?

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No one wants to know what you think, you're plastic.;)

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This is just plain wrong. Small business increased 60% from 1979 to 1988. Wipe out the competition? Don't be silly, no market is good with monopolies, whether that be public or private, that's why those monopolies were broken.

Shut down independent dairies? Can I ask where you get your milk in Accrington?

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Obviously the fine detail would be different for different amounts of money are concerned, but yes, I agree with the principle of it, whether the Conservative line is that or not.

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No.. it was not started to stop you and Andrew discussing politics.. it was started because I got fed up with your moaning and groaning.. and yes your sig.

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Finally, so as well as snatching the kiddies free milk, you think their Child Benefit should also be taken away.

We got there in the end.

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I do, and seen as I don't speak on behalf of the Conservative Party or have any specific interest in ever being one of their party then I shall air my views.

I think the problem is that the current tests are very objective, and based on income. Many a time I have seen 'wealthier' families suffering more than the poorer ones because they just miss criteria for different types of financial help, and they have no way of doing anything about it. I would like to see a more personal system which applied specifically to our needs rather than having set policies for everybody, because they just don't seem to work, and it certainly doesn't create a more 'equal' system.

This isn't based on a specific parties ideals, this is my own view. It isn't necessarily taking from any specific class to give to another, it's just a case of who needs the support should get as much support as reasonably possible.

I don't know who to vote for in general elections right now, because it all seems a bit ambiguous right now. I have been called a thatcherite, and I am not really ashamed of that to be truthful. Somebody must've liked her after all :p

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Although I remember you weren't too keen on Tesco opening in Accrington.

Do you think them selling flowers might affect your father's florist business?

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Andrew, if you do go into politics promise me you'll get yourself some professional P.R.;)

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I have a mind of my own. Perhaps if we were still strong in our traditional values I wouldn't have the right to air my opinion and the world would be a nicer place. You wouldn't have even had to bother with Thatcher. Shame

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I have been called a thatcherite, and I am not really ashamed of that to be truthful. Somebody must've liked her after all
Why be ashamed?..if you are then there is not a problem.. we a;; know were we stand.. the problem I have is that your posts tell us we have been brainwashed and I am stupid because I don't agree with you.. that tells me .. ME.. that you are a typical Tory.. underhand and not to be trusted.

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Yes the possibility is there.

Do you think the milk cuts were right?
Would you remove child benefits from the super rich?

;)

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That's why professional help may be wise.

No one should have to put up with constant disappointment.

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I can't really answer that.

I'm still traumatised at having the milk snatched out of my poor little eight year old hands.

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Brainwashed by who exactly? I don't like many of the policies of 'new conservatism', and have a more traditional tory view.

Andrew might want equality, but I'm quite set against it. In fact I haven't met anyone with my views yet apart from a tory at uni who IS your stereotypical tory and also refuses to get involved in student politics. We're such a minority :p

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But why are you answering a question put to andrewb?:confused:

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Originally Posted by blazey View Post
I have a mind of my own.
And the same can be said of the trolly's at Tesco's

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that is nonsense, traditional values were in place when i was young n nobody stopped me being a gob-head.:D

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Andrew and I got milk at primary school. It was lovely. In little glass bottles too sometimes. Ah those were the days.

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I'm on about the rights and opinions of women in politics. Though you were all too aware of that, yet you insist I speak to you like an imbecile :D

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Lol I think I just woke people up. You've got me going tonight Rindi. ;)

Please though, answer my questions, I was kind enough to do the same. ;)

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I think Blazeys sig is a tongue - in - cheek look at a quote,though in my experiance it's not without foundation.A lot of socialists have got very rich off the back of the people they were supposed to represent.Many a working man has been sold down the river by there comrades.:hidewall:

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Your imbecility is nothing to do with your gender.;)

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ive never used that word to you or anyone on here, twas one i'd forgot about, thanks fer reminding me.:D

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I said in a thread yesterday about free swimming for pensioners, that I'd scrap non-means tested Child Benefit and award that money to pensioners.

It's no big secret, do pay attention.

Besides, I'm just little old me, and don't have the weight of a political party's future to worry about.;)

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I did reckon you would chirp in... you are a nightmare.. a teen summat that preaches for the sake of the Tory party.. said it before,, if you and your kind get power then God help my kids .. God help my friends.

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Do you think having a tesco in Accrington with a bakers instore would have an affect on the family business? :D

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You had no substance there. Do you agree with me or not? From what you've said it sounds like you don't like my views. Does this mean you support giving milk, for free, to the richest in society?

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If you mention someones name in the opening post then I think it is very likely that they will have something to say in response to you. I'm just surprised he kept quiet for this long :D


:hehetable

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i honestly doubt that very much, ossys a differant world, geography wasn't yer strong point either?:D

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No. It's been there for sixty three years, and it's seen off the sliced bread invasion, flour strikes, and even Michael Hessaltine popping in, so I think it'd survive.

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Do I agree with a Bakers in Accrington?.. I don't give a ****! I don't agree with anything you say about the road this Nation should take because I've been there.. got bashed, mashed, along with some of my fiends.. so go preach your lies.. means nothing to me, other than I don't see why WE should lay down.

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Why would Tesco affect a florist business? Flowers in major supermarkets aren't really good quality, they're the type you buy in a rush when you've annoyed your girlfriend/wife for working late and letting your tea get cold. Hardly going to cause many problems for a florist :confused:

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There is one in Accrington and there is a Tesco being proposed in Oswaldtwistle. :o

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It's aimed at me and I don't really understand how it proved any point whatsoever.

If you need to resort to calling me names I will assume you have no good argument against what I said.

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I'd Do Anything.

http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/res/705.$plit/C...em_0_image.jpg


The people's Mancie.

Woops, wrong thread.

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Yes I disagree ..I think free milk should be given to kids at primary school.. no matter how rich the parents may be..I also think the child benifits should be given no matter of the parents income.. but that's what I think.. the Tory's have thought otherwise.
Again I say look at the Tory history.. you may feel less forward.

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So we're settled, you are for the rich, where as myself, a Tory, are of the opposite opinion to you.

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I don't think he knows what he is for personally :p one minute he hates handouts to the rich, the next he wants them.

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No.

She's just someone who's entitled to her say, just like anyone else.

There are lots of things people post I strongly disagree with, but they are entitled to say them, just as I'm entitled to prove them are wrong.:D

You normally have enough intelligence and wit, not to resort to silly name calling.

Have they changed your medication, or have you and the other patients taken over the Vauxhall Asylum?:D

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No need at all for that. Completely uncalled for.

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You may feel better but you probably lessened people's opinion of you by a couple of notches there, so you should ask yourself whether it is really worth focusing so much attention on yourself if you are just going to make yourself look like you are losing the battle you started.

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Mancie for every insult and threat issued, any legitimate point your argument may have, it is then diminished.:(

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Will someone put another log on the fire while I roll a fag and get another can out of the fridge?

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REPORT BUTTON, bottom left hand corner if you feel a post should deleted

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I'm cooking cottage pie :D

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I'm cooking cottage pie

Cottage pie?.. what you got in it? minced up lower class kids and a few carrorts?

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Thank God you made this thread as a joke and wind up. I was getting worried you were serious.

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I'm from a lower class family. Well I say a family, I put them all into my cottage pie.

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Why though?

If it's offensive some poor sod will have to come along and edit it, because after all this is a family site, and we do have young regular members.

It also means what you said is lost, good and bad, and if you keep breaking AW rules you'll be banned, and then you'll lose your voice here totally.

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Karma karma karma. My sides hurt.

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Personally I find all that Class War clap trap just as offensive as anything the B.N.P. or Combat 18 comes out with.

But then I'm a realist, and realise you have to work to get society changed using the structures already in place, and without resorting to meaningless rhetoric.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mancie View Post
I'm cooking cottage pie

Cottage pie?.. what you got in it? minced up lower class kids and a few carrorts?

Personally I find all that Class War clap trap just as offensive as anything the B.N.P. or Combat 18 comes out with.

But then I'm a realist, and realise you have to work to get society changed using the structures already in place, and without resorting to meaningless rhetoric.

yeah so do I ..structures and all that.. rhetoric? it's out of order init?
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I was about to say something but I realised I am lost for words. No comment.

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Innit?

Why are you talking like a Mockney Dick Van Dyke, or a Brixton gangsta wannabe?

You've been in the smoke for too long.

In fact I think that smoke's polluted your brain.

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Was I reading it wrong or did he AGREE with your criticism of him?

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OK now.. I will text/talk as I like .. I know you are from north of the river.. but we got over that didn't we? I won't allow bods to tell me how I should talk..I have sussed out Andrew and Blazey.. they would grass up Bill n Ben.

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We are currently arguing amongst ourselves about terrorism bills. We don't play as a team, and have many arguments as well as agreements on here, so please don't talk as if you know us.

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Wrong.

I worked in Knightsbrige, but most definitely lived in sarf London for sixteen years.

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Yep.. north of the river... grass!

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Where are you from?

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What south side of the river are you from, the Rhine?

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I reckon you know.. the side that don't have smoked salmon sarnies for lunch,

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Let's have a reminder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPyH5mfQntg

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Everyone has self interest at heart, it is at the cornerstone of Traditional Tory politics and the breaking point of Traditional Socialism

Problem is I am not sure that we are dealing with either of the above nowadays.Or rather we are but in different guises

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if ya had said many people, i would have echoed that sentiment, everyone is very sweeping n says more than a book. so we must disagree.

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did anyone watch Dr Who at the weekend , he can now open his tardis by clinking his fingers :)

oh crap i tried to distract from yet more polotics on here but just realised the tardis is blue , damn tory brainwashing at its finest :mad:

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I wonder if our Mr Jones has been drinking funny juice and Mancie is actually the product in a dual personality, jekyll and hyde sort of thing???

And on a serious note Mancie, all i have been able to take from your posts, is that you are a very rude, agressive and ignorant person. Any validity behind any argument is lost in the foul way you speak to other members on this forum.

Saying that though, if you are a Tory in disguise, you're doing a fantastic job

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LOL, iv found this thread very amusing:D, the comments off some people on here deserve karma, but I see who wrote them and decided not to bother:rolleyes:


Is it just me?.....or does anyone else find politics VERY boring!!!
but like i said, it gets interesting especially when some write such codswallop...:D....

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I must say I too have kept an eye on this thread, found it rather funny (especially when it goes off topic:p eh Accyman lol)

No, I don't find politics interesting

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Politics? yawn!!! I don't bother with it at all, although this thread has entertained me a little, lol.

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i must admit i havnt realy read this thread from begining to end as slamming my nuts in the door repeatedly became more appealing and a worth while distraction from polotics for a while :D

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Well, its got to be said, as a thread that was slamming people for talking politics, its hardly reached its objective lol

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I agree with you panther I find politics boring:D hell I should have stayed in last night missed all the fun, couldn't believe how much this thread had grown since 5pm yesterday. At the end of the day politics is one of the most emotive subjects you can discuss, politics is about oppinions and everybody has one, but at least you are allowed to air your views in this country, others arn't so lucky. politics is about today and tomorrow not yesterday, parties change, Labour had to change to become electable, the Tories have had to change, but the haven't changed their core values. Something that you must remember is that the rich and famous do not elect Tory Governments, the ordinary man in the street do that, it does not matter how much money you have you only get one vote. I respect other peoples views, and would never think that I could change there political oppionion, in fact one of my lifelong friends once stood aginst PB, but it made on difference to our friendship, in fact we had a long chat and a pint last Thursday, and never mentioned politics once, and thats the way it should be and always will be ith me

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Football is an emotive subject to millions of people too. On here it has it's own forum and if a football discussion gets brought in to the general forum, people object and it gets moved to where it should be. Maybe we can have a politics forum where people can bore the crap out of themselves and leave it there :)

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religion and polotics are just as bad as each other for causing trouble and its mainly because both rely on lies to exist ;)

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That's very blinkered, suprise, suprise.

There are very affluent areas of south London. In Battersea and Clapham some people feed their cats smoked salmon sandwiches, with the crusts cut off.

Just as north of the river, in places like north Kensington and Islington, there are families who'd think it was a treat to have a Whiskas curry.;)

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very true:p

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I agree.

Politics, football, religion, the weather, Big Brother and television in general, should be banned from Accy Web.

Instead we could discuss...........er.............hmm...........kar ma.

That's it.

More karma threads please.:D

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:eek::eek::eek: Ya have to have a thread on Big Brother!!!
There is no life without BB:rolleyes:

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No life without BIG BROTHER:eek: http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_33_16.gif I'm annoy if I turn it on by accident

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You maybe surprised that I agree with you dave, but if there was a political section the same usual suspects would still be in there posting:rolleyes:

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Most things that affects us in life is down to politics whether you want to call it that or not! Whether it's what school our children are going to and which ones are doing well, whether it's the pot hole in the middle of the road and who should be paying to have it fixed, whether it's about who should be emptying our bins and how often - ALL POLITICS!

If some people don't like these threads then tough, they're what makes people come back to the site every day to find out what's going on.

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[quote=Gayle;590926] whether it's the pot hole in the middle of the road quote]


Funny you should mention that. We have road barriers piled up outside our house from roadworks which were finished about 6 weeks ago. How do we get them moved ? I don't really want to know how Labour brought the country to it's knees, or Thatcher sold off all the family jewels, or wait until Gordon can get them detained for 42 days, or smarmy David hugs a hoodie to solve the world economic crisis. I would just like them moved :D

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Real issues! Get on the phone to your local councillor, he/she can get in contact with people who will move them if the work is finished!

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/site/sc...hp?viewBy=ward

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I can honestly say I was joking:D

I don't like Big Brother, I have better things to be doing when BB is on, cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing:( lol

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Sorry AccyLass but there are people who are glued to the program every minute its on. My Granddaughter is on holiday, well she's home today, she will have got someone to record every showing since it started nd will not miss another episode, very sad, very sad in deed, she doesn't take after niether her mother or me :sad8::wacko8:

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You must be very disappointed, having a granddaughter who's interested in other people.

How galling.:D

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The nice thing with Accyweb's variety is that you can choose which type threads to read, which to contribute to, and which to ignore!

I find alot of it beyond my distant/foreign realm i.e. local constables, prams and trolleys, ASDA, and the local sales/restaurants. I only add to some of these for a bit of Yankee perspective. I know this annoys a few but usually it's appreciated by others.

Above all, I usually enjoy watching the banter!

Brian

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You don't class them as people do you Rindi, they're just narcissistic fools:D

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What I find most interesting about politics is it is so much based on perspective. When I was a teen, I made note in my infinite teen wisdom that Franklin D. Roosevelt was the worst President by helping unions, creating welfare, and making people lazy! As a very (American)conservative family thought I was safe.

Well my mum almost ripped my head off. She grew up very poor in the tenaments of Providence, Rhode Island during the Great Depression:

"How dare you say that Brian! If it wasn't for Roosevelt we would have starved to death. His works programs paid your Grampa Hall a dollar a day to dig ditches!"

I really had no idea and began to realise I maybe had a bit more to learn about life!:rolleyes: After feeling so very violated by Nixon's Watergate, I came to accept that (IMO) most politicians are the same. Seeking to better themselves at the expense of the masses (IMO).

Thoughts from across the pond. Cheers!

Brian

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and how many businesses are left you encouraged people to open businesses and sold them down the river by hitting them wherever possible..by keeping high interest rates .. competition thats what they said about the telecommunication electric and gas industries we are paying through the nose for our energy bills looks like free markets dont work.raping the country of its assets by selling them to their mates corrupt to the core.smashing the manufactoring industry to the core.it shows you tories are bad for the country.the few reap the profits the rest pay through the nose to make them profits..

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well put, karma sent ;)

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great post brian mate, hope cyfr takes it onboard, somehow i doubt it.:rolleyes:

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I still say there is little difference between the two main parties, the main ones being helping the rich to get richer, and neither party are slow at helping thier own members to a big slice of the cake.

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the thing is about the free milk ,not every rich parent is a responsible parent at least when the children got free milk it was going to the child .the responibility of the goverments who gave the free milk was the welfare of the child poor or rich that was in its care for the length of time the child was at school but thatcher and her selfish thinking removed this responsibility and also made cuts in school meal provisions.so much for the caring tories..

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Labour removed milk provision before Thatcher though. So much for caring socialists!

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I'm sure they coped without milk. I'm pretty sure I could have got through the school day without milk, and I'm not exactly from a well off family.

Has anyone really suffered because of the cut? I don't know anyone who brings up how terribly they suffered when they milk was cut.