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thats because there was a medical study saying milk was beneficial for under elevens and over that age if you had brittle bones etc milk wasnt that beneficial...picking on little kids is alright then...................
thatcher the milk snatcher...your saying tories dont care about childrens welfare.what about the goverments initiative every child counts do you not agree with that?

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how would you do you know every child in britain?:confused:

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I don't know every child in Britain, but if it had been as serious issue as you lot are claiming it to be then where are the victims of this 'crime' against humanity!? How DARE Thatcher withdraw free milk from schools!

I'm sure one of you would've dug up some statistically evidence of the increase in brittle boned children by now if it was that much of a drastic issue. Show me the evidence, and I will humbly offer you my apologies for making a small fuss about this allegedly huge problem.

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Everybody in my primary school had milk. :]

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Indeed! Also, before anyone points out that we paid for it, I just asked my mum about it who said she paid less than £4 a TERM for it. Generally there are three terms a year with what, 34 weeks in total?

Now correct me if I am wrong... but that is hardly anything a week :confused:

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What ever happened to giving parents responsibility? We're in a mess today because government thinks it can take all responsibility from peoples lives and just rely on the state for everything.

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see your showing your ignorance now everybody knows there was poverty in the eighties.miners, long term unemployed ,people who forced out of their jobs by thatcher economics you havent got a clue.thatcher battered the working class humilated them made drastic cuts in the health service ,transport system, schools,etc .i havent seen such investment in schools etc than i have now in my life time.when we went to school you had damp, ancient desks etc nowadays you have new school buildings and top class facalities....you dont know how lucky your generation has been..would you have been able to afford to go to university in the thatcher years i dont think so..

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Since Labour have put the price up THREE TIMES as much to go to university, and threaten to increase it to SEVEN TIMES, I think I can safely say I would have been better able to go to University before this government were in office.

It's funny how she 'battered the working class'. Do you really think she'd have got in, three times, with massive landslides, if the whole of the working class were against her? Just tell me exactly which class were able to buy their own homes, for the first time ever, and get on the housing ladder? When I go around Hull, Goole, I can see lovely houses that have been purchased under right to buy.

Where the heck do you think the money for the NHS, Education, Police, came during the Blair period? It came from Thatcher economics, because she took the hard decisions which hurt short term, but long term I am glad you acknowledge they have done a world of good allowing us to invest in vital services.

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Well you can't say that English politics is boring ...

And in a democracy, any party can be punished at the polls. In Canada's 1993 general election the ruling conservatives, the oldest political party in the country, managed to win only two seats ... reduced from a majority to almost nothing. Now that's democracy at work.:alright:

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Calcium can be gained through foods.

http://www.vegansociety.com/food/nutrition/calcium.php

That website actually states how overrated milk is, and also says how drinking hard water has sources of calcium. It also talks about how overrated calcium is in regards to bone health.

Do vegans just drop dead because they don't drink cows milk? Hmmm. Seems the answer is no.

So how useful WAS milk in preventing these problems REALLY? Science seems to suggest it wouldn't have actually been that preventative at all.

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But even so, it wasn't possibly to do with a lack of milk, nor could the amount of milk given in schools even prevent it, so how can there even be an argument about this from either side.

This isn't directed at just you, there are others who are complaining about the milk being taken away and children getting ill and whatever, but it isn't even CAUSED by this issue at all.

In fact I very much doubt a school could provide the recommended intake of calcium for every child via a school meal, so whilst it may have done a slight bit of good, though very unlikely even that looking at our CURRENT scientific evidence, it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference to health at all, and all Thatcher did was cut an unnecessary resource, whether she did so knowingly or not.

Her intentions may have been good or bad, but today we can surely see that it was a wise choice in regards to financial reasons, because it wasn't actually amounting to much more than a break during school to indulge in milk.

I'm a bit more 'efficiency' orientated than Andrewb, so he probably doesn't see it in the same way as I do, he probably has a more ethical way of making it sound, but to be honest, I think politics is very much about money so why ignore it.

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Well funnily enough this thread isn't even meant to be about politics, it's intended to STOP andrewb and I discussing them.

Seems Thatcher isn't the only one who intends one thing and the outcome is the complete opposite.

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I know :p:D

I shall butt out now :)

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I think the point is, that Thatcher cut milk at a time when the belief, rightly or wrongly, was that milk was beneficial and provided what was required nutrients, and she did it to save money at the expense (as far as was known at that time) of childrens health. The fact that science has moved on and may since have proved otherwise is irrelevant.

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The way the mill was stored probably caused more upset tummies than anything else.

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The milk didn't just have health benefits, it gave people a sense of purpose, being milk monitor was a level of achievement never surpassed by passing exams :D

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It is relevant in the fact that it is no longer really a valid example as something bad they did, because today we should be able to look back and see it as something that was done for financial reasons, not because she wanted children to get ill, and today we can see it was actually a good decision!

When I have told you how much our parents paid for milk at primary school it seems the figures have been ignored. Bearing in mind I am one of these poor children who's milk never got returned to me by Labour, it was cheap enough for me to buy...

I am glad I remember my happy start to education with my milk when there WAS a tory prime minister. I liked John Major, he must have been fantastic because they were the best years of my childhood.

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I think its fine looking at the past, but would it not be better looking to the future?

Yes, when you look back on things, you can learn from what has happened, but if i look back 20 years, I very much doubt I would have made the same move now as I did back then. If I look back 2 years, I think I can get a clearer picture

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Milk is one of the most common food allergies both in adults and children

Just thought I would throw that one in, it has no relevance to the topic.

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yeah but thats only because jesus dosnt love them ;)


sod it we got polotics on the go why not religion :D

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polo tics?

Are those fleas with holes in them?

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I'm mystified how a discussion of the nutritional properties of milk fits into this thread. :confused:

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You and me neither West Ender, but its fun init:D

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When the issues from 1971 has been fully discussed, perhaps the next item for topical debate could be the Suez Crisis? :D

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\

I'm studying that for tomorrows exam.

I love EU law but hate it at the same time :( why why why lol .

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Because people are discussing how taking it away would have caused many children to suffer with bone problems, when in reality, we know today that milk wouldn't have even made much of a difference, so it isn't really something that needs to be debated at all in my opinion.

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Probably i'ts because it is enacted with very little imput from this side of the water?

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What are you answering? My ambiguous 'why'?

I'm just saying why o I have to have an exam in it tomorrow :p though EU law is so very interesting. I'm pro-europe remember, so I love it :D

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Na the Boar War would be better:D:D

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so why do we feed and why do mothers have milk to feed babies, does that mean the whole concept of the human body is wrong:confused:

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I'm one of the few on here who can, actually, remember it. :D

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So, in essence, it doesn't fit at all. We all know that Margaret Thatcher was instrumental in stopping free milk to school children but that doesn't impinge on whether or not our resident Conservatives should propound their views here - or does it? ;)

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typical when they are losing the arguement they try and change the subject..

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Who...........:confused:

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Thats right, bring back unwanted memories.I was the unlucky one of triplets.Yes i was the one on the bottle.Maid up for it since mind.No i didn't spell maid rong.

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Thats nearly as old as the Suez Crisis Benipete:D

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Please read the information before commenting, it explains fully.

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It's late but even the stupid would recognise that to take away something that is more than likely good for little children than bad, simply to be taken because of "cut's".. is not the forward thinking, but alas, worse maybe to come!

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And even the stupid would realise that if people really wanted milk for their children it was dirt cheap anyway, and ANY size family would have been able to afford it whilst I was at primary school, and obviously now science suggests there isn't even need for such a thing, so it isn't far fetched to refer to the idea of a 'milk break' as a luxury rather than a necessary expense.

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Quite right blazey..now please take my leave as I have my breakfast...jugged kippers, poached free range eggs, toasted cheese on baguettes fried on olive oil, oven baked wild mushrooms... ah lovely.... oh and a large glass of milk.. taken fresh from the udder.
now I don't need that do I !

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A good landed gentry breakfast if ever I saw one:D

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your saying people but some people are scum and would rather buy cigarettes and beer than give their children proper food . it was all about education a child will learn more with a half empty tummy rather than an empty one and that is fact so your argument has just been blown away .the thing is there was no mininuim wage in them days so the poor worker was even more exploited by business and people couldnt afford proper food so theres another point of your argument gone...ps i just remembered why we can afford other things now it was labour who brought in the minimum wage,ohh and who opposed it the caring tory party.mmmmmm

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I've actually forgotten how much milk was in the 70's, can you remind me from memory ?

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2 Shillings and sixpence..that's around 2 shillings in today's prices.

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I don't know which planet you were living on at that time, but the rest of us had gone decimal when children stopped getting free milk.;):D

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We didn't go "Decimal" until the late 70's.. we lived on a council estate. I seem to remember a mate of mine going decimal before me.. but then again he got a brand new bike at Christmas..I got a polo mint and a dead goldfish.

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This is great, Milk Milk and more bloody dairy milk, or milk tray maybe.

Okay well I am old enough to remember free milk. We got at Primary and school lunches were awful. We were not well off, my dad worked dammed hard as a Jukebox Repair engineer.

I loved the late 70's, remember, Down to 2 tele channels thanks to the ITV strikes, dads first Japanese car, it started in the morning, without him having to take the Dissy cap and leads off and warm them on the fire, did not leak oil and he never went under the bonnet. Shame the UK could not build a car that worked. The power cuts, awesome. The Gravedigger strikes, and binmen as well, great. Lets us not forget more petrol shortages wow what a time it was, good old Labour.

It was great, not forgetting the Cold War as well. Loved it.

The problem is all politicians are in it for the money these days and rarely care about us.

Oh nearly forgot, Liverpool won the European Cup Twice in a row, with Crazy horse (RIP Emlyn) asking for his cup back.

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decimal currency came into effect in 1971 , how long were people using old money after 1971 for ?

sory to hear about your dead fish im glad you didnt ask for a horse lol

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ohh and i forgot to mention the poorest families will be 4,000 pound worse off if the tories got back in.in they say they are going to scrap tax credits..:rolleyes:

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But will replase it with something which does not have so much red tape surrounding it, ask anybody who has worked for the revenue and customs over the last few years, the admin was appalling to say the least

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try telling people that when there will be more delays in there payments and the toties havent named or layed out any plans to replace it;)

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I'm sure there'll be much less red tape if you're allowed to bring back the workhouse.;):D

Damn.

I really wasn't going to post in this thread again.

I should really start a virtual brick wall thread, so whoever feels the need can bang their head against it.:D

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I though your head was a virtual brick wall anyway Rindi, touche I think:p

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nice tune for the "Caring Tories"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQgkF_FsO4

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Would have a listen mancie, but my speakers have packed up on this laptop!

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i woulda listened but as soon as billy brag appeared i closed my browser, switched off my pc then superglued my ears shut just incase one word of his drivel made it out

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see another tory in trouble in london ,tried to say he was a magistrate when he wasnt.did he not think somebody would find out...?:rolleyes:i wont mention his other allegations.....







:)

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Sexual, and financial misconduct.;)


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...nson'.html

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Allegedly.....;)

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Not according to the two Bishops who wrote to bumbling Boris, warning him of this man's past.;)

If I was innocent I wouldn't resign, I'd stay and fight my corner.:)

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You would have to find a round room to do that garinda, if you were a politician!

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It's hardly up there with the Tory sex scandals of the recent past.

Oranges being used as sex toys, Edwina's comments about John Major tucking his vest into his underpants, David Mellor cheating on his wife whilst wearing a Chelsea shirt, Cecil Parkinson fathering children behind his poor wife's back and then never seeing the resulting daughter.

Happy days.

Perhaps when the veneer of hug-a-hoodie Conservatism wears off, we'll get some more exciting tales of derring do again.:D

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What a terrible world we must live in, people using oranges as sexual aids you say? Atrocious.

You know, the best of people lie and hide things from their past. It may not be ethical, but sometimes it is impossible to get anywhere without a bit of manipulation of the truth, and it's better than being jobless.

Basically, I'm saying I'd happily lie if it meant I could get somewhere in life. Please don't shoot me for being human.

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What people do in the privacy of their own homes is no business of the state. If they do it in parliament when they're supposed to be working, well that's a different matter! :D

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The thing that seemed ironic to the British public at the time, when these and other scandals came to light, was at the time the Conservative government were pushing for a return to 'Victorian values'.

By the way Blazey, the orange resulted in the Conservative M.P. Stephen Milligan losing his life, as he was using it to self asphyxiate whilst pleasuring himself.

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The media were different in victorian times rindi. ;)

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Yes it's galling that the press now have to print the truth, and report what is actually happening.;)

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Well that's because it sells, you must be a buyer, you seem to have a huge interest. ;)

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Not in favour of a free press, and a free market economy?

Or perhaps it's just the truthful things that are printed you don't like.

Perhaps you may find Marxism, and a state run media, more to your liking.;)

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Of course I like a free press and a relatively free market, I never said anything to the contrary. That's the great thing about free markets, I don't have to buy the mirror or daily mail. :p ;)

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You should give the Daily Telegraph a try then.

Politically it's very conservative, which should appeal to you, and the accuracy of it's reporting is beyond reproach.

Plus the crossword is very good too.:)

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I like the Telegraph. Its a shame some of its readers misinterpret some of its reporting. ;)

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I'm not bumping the thread but from another forum ;

Like a bolt from lightning..I shat mi sen..what the will we do if the Tories get back in power?
Honestly who can vote Tory with a concience. They are the '**** the poor' party and always have been. Better to spoil the ballot paper than vote for a party whose ideology is such a blatant '**** to OUR people.

no problem

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andrewb... your avatar shows you as a man of no regard..smallness, and everything that lacks backbone, a person who would crawl at the feet of power..******!

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And your avatar my dear represents everything that you are. Nothing but a sheep that tags along with the rest regardless of their behaviour and eventually gets his just desserts when he is at his most vulnerable.

You take any opportunity to throw andrew and I to the lions, but remember my friend that the lions might just as easily turn on you one day and we wont be there to defend you.

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But Blazey I look upon you in another way..like cattle ..and you need a good whippin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SFnvLC83ew

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And there is me thinking you are boring... you kinky devil!

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The lions turned on me and many others in the 80's..you won't be there to defend me? I won't be losing sleep..the massive right wing Tory caring party..don't even try to give me advice.

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This is the threat from the likes of Andrew and Blazey...evil ..orrible stuff Tory orrible things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yntdJ1kDI4

you evil beggers you

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I wont waste much more breath on you, it appears that you are way beyond help.

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don't waste your breath..think about the ozone layer..the cows are polluting enough..but then I don't reckon one more would do much damage.

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I might be a cow but you're the one full of bull.

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I'm wondering what happened to the rule of foul language regardless of '**'s?

Does it only apply to some members of the forum and not others?

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Mancie is above the rules of the forum clearly. I considered starring an extra word onto my comeback, but I thought 'bull' alone was adequate enough :p seemed to shut him up anyway. :rolleyes:

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That implies that Mancie is a cow as well in order to be full of bull. :jimbo:

(Spug when they get hold of him :hesoff:)

I tried ( swear word ) but cant remember which post i put it in :o:(

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Sometimes you can be the same breed but completely different. Maybe we should've called each others dogs and bitches, but it wouldn't quite have had the same effect.

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Simple really, no one has reported it as offensive.

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So it's fine to break the rules so long as nobody reports it?

Lots of people kind of see it that way when it comes to the law too! Most of them end up in prison though once they get caught. Not a good attitude to have really.

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get real fer once, the mods do this job fer nowt, you expect em to check every post.:rolleyes: n its dumb to relate this to the law.

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Depends how you see it, this is a family forum after all and if there are adults saying its fine to break rules as long as you don't get caught then it's sending out a bad message to youngsters that use the forum.

But who cares, I said don't go to school on time so we might as all eff and blind as well, it's not like accy is full to the brim of model children waiting to be corrupted. Half of them have a vocabulary of filth that some of us could only dream of. Long live Accrington.

Also, I think many people would jump at the opportunity to be a moderator, so if there isn't enough men to man the ship then perhaps they should get recruiting.

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Bending them not breaking them there is a difference ad a modicum of common sense would show that.

As for the model children ie those as pure as angels are they not the sort that are spoilt brats in secret who hit the booze and drugs as a form of rebellion against the pure restricted living forced upon them? Or do they wait for higher education and go on a 3 year bender and expect to pass?

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Bla bla bla....blazey put a bloody sock in it!!!!!!!!

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I give up, I really couldn't care less whether your kids grow up to be chavs, I don't see why I should even care. I presume I haven't got any of them on my summer schools this week otherwise someone would've mentioned it.

It's quite nice to know that there ARE kids from accy trying to make something good of themselves though. It's funny how I am just disrespected here but given plenty at university for my involvement with widening participation and youth work. However I keep reminding myself that the people here have actually met me, whereas you lot just want to make whatever you want out of me when it see's fit.

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Most of the students I know from families with successful parents and have had a wealthier life seem to have a stronger work ethic in my experience, but perhaps that is because I'm on a competitive degree and nobody goes on 3yr benders.

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Thats why we have them as a problem because high mind arrogant people look down on those who didnt get a chance like you got. When they start to make your life the pits then what will happen you shove the blame on others. :mad:

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and thats why britains a laughing stock full of pillocks who have no idea what their actions have an affect on other people;)the ones who have work ethic get no where .the ones who are sly arselickin two-faced get everywhere and downright liars get eveywhere.there is no room in this country for hard working honest people thanks to thatcher and her facist cronies;)

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