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A few people on this web seem to think this a chance to propagate their politics.. Andreweb and Blazey.. I think it's out of order.
Go preach your lies somewhere else... had enough of you lot in the 80's... idiots.

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Where has this come from? I don't PREACH politics, I avoid it at all bloody costs! Everyone who knows me knows that I can't stand the topic, including Andrewb.

Stop looking for an excuse to personally attack us and get a life. If there was no opposition parties you'd be stuck with the same political party and have no choice on the matter, so think yourself lucky that there is fierce competition to keep Labour on their toes.

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And you think that this shower are any better, they're ten times worse, as they sold their principals to become electable, and as for using this site to peddle politics at least AndrewB and Blazey do join in on all forms of discussions unlike Mr. Jones who only uses this site for his own political propaganda, have you seen him post on anything apart from politics,:dummy:

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Where has the come from ? you don't preach politics ?.. you are a blatant propagandist for the Tories...you are the ones that need excuses for the economic fiasco you managed to create not so long ago! let's have your explanation for the damage the Tories did to this Country.
Keep Labour one their toes?... you prat.. do you think your views mean anything? I say again ..idiot..
And I add silly Tory wannabe !

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I have yes, its rare but I can't remember seeing a non political post for a while.

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go stuff it Jaysay.. and if you fancy your chances I'm here.. no messin with tory's...

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Typical manc all mouth and trousers, resorts to threats when someone puts you in your place, go play with the trams:thefinger:thefinger

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Leave them to it.

The people who use this forum to spread propoganda for political reasons, do a fine job at turning people off from their respective political parties.

Turn on, tune in, turn off...to paraphrase Timothy Leary.:D

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agree completly, anyway blazey for one takes part in many varying threads, also puts a bit of spice in em:D, cyfr as neil says rarely takes part in anything that aint politics, hes just a silly little kid,who needs to lighten up a bit, summat ive said to his face, not behind a screen. yer attack on jaysay is bang out of order, leaves me to think youve been on the pop again.:D

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I enjoy the political posts, lets me release pent up agression without kicking the cat. ;)

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Who's tory and what belongs to him/her that you aren't messin with?

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I enjoy the political ones - I get a bit frustrated when they disintigrate into name calling - if you can't make a good political point then the name calling's hardly going to win the argument.

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I try and get involved in every thread I have an opinion on, and I have always made it very clear that I don't follow politics as much as most people, so my views are entirely formed in my own mind and not from any particular party.

I went AGAINST the Conservative view in regards to the Post Offices, and backed Labour. I am not afraid to do this in regards to any other issue. I am also campaigning at university against a conservative idea, which I have a thread about though I haven't expressly pointed out that it is an ideal of any particular political group that I am campaigning against. I take a lot of stick at university for this, but I still believe in it and I don't care if it goes against my choice of parties beliefs.

I take part in a lot of random threads, and I make many threads that have absolutely nothing to do with politics. In regards to Andrewb's political posts, he studies the subject and clearly it is where his passions lie, so it is EXPECTED that the majority of his posts should be related to politics, but this isn't to say that this is the only thing he ever posts about.

I think you just enjoy seeing what you want to believe, when in fact if you look through the majority of my recent posts you will probably struggle to find anything political in them.

My signature has an air of politics to it in the fact that I am jesting with socialists, but that is mainly because the politics I do get involved with at university is in humour and winding up all my socialist friends, as there is a shortage of conservatives at lancaster uni and I am in the socialist college ;)

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I'm not trying to win anything, and as for name calling.. it's sticks and stones eh?
I believe the Tories are evil, that's my view and I don't see why I should pussyfoot around them.

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That's a beautiful appology.

I'm welling up.:D

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Rindy:p! Quite an "in-your-face" thread here eh? I keep forgetting what my politcal place in Accy world is? What English Party lean would I have for thinking Ronal Reagan was a very good President? IMO, the best since James Monroe.

Okay carry on, I'm getting the popcorn for this one! :p:p:p

Brian

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It's been moderated since this morning.

It was all fisty-cuffs at motorway service stations and the like.

Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Cheryls.:D

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Ah well, you probably aren't the first person in the world to think a group of people were evil. I'm pretty sure Hitler hated the Social Democrats in the same way you hate the Conservatives, so it's hardly something unheard of.

No need to pussyfoot around me, but don't accuse me of only talking about politics when I don't even care for the subject.

I think socialists are lazy, so I have my own stereotypes. Tend to lack manners too...

At our student union hustings you could spot the socialists by own stark characteristic: they all had a can of alcohol with them. Is this what I should be aspiring to be? Because if so, please hand over your weapon of choice mr dictator and I'll do away with myself quite happily.

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LMAO. This actually made me choke (No Comments please)

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Someones not been taking their happy pills, have they?

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I am not aiming to be a politician, so I wont ever get in power, unless of course I fancy a career change at some point.

Are you confusing communism with socialism on the second part? Or are you just calling socialists fascists in disguise :p

I'm glad you brought up this political topic, I wouldn't have thought of doing so.

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or far far far too many, washed down with alcohol!!!

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the thing is people are going to be voting tory not remmembering what they did to this country.no investment in schools ,hospitals,police etc for 20 years all they said was no subsidising public services but when it came to roads they changed the wording to investing remember thatcher and co all they said was cuts cuts cuts thats why we are still reaping what they sowed now!they destroyed what infrastucture we had in this country by lack of investment for 1p cut in tax.if it was up to them we would be on 3 quid an hour they have no ideology no substance to their policies except having the immature thinking of grabbing what you can.they encouraged only the fittest survive culture by saying they stood for family values they were liars and always will be..i will never forget nor forgive..

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God knows what his problem is at the moment but PMs aren't moderated, this was the message I found whan I came home from work, nice chap as I'd done nothing to provoke him.

Today 04:05
Mancie
Edit by Len: We’ve made a copy of this pm.

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I am in total agreement with all who say the conservative set this country one the road to ruin, and have done it on more than one occasion, but have to point out that, until maggie sorted the miners out and therefore the unions, Labour always gave some power back to the unions when they came back to power, not this time, they have had opportunity to change things, but have actually carried on in a lot of ways just as the tory's would have done, new labour in my opinion is almost tory, one of the giveaways is the fact that, the funding for Labour came largely from union contributions, much of it now comes from industry and the fatcats within industry, so they wont go against the bosses in any big way anymore, nor have they put the money back into council housing since maggie sold the council houses (and she sold them because of the state of disrepair would have cost billions), so the people who bought council houses, thinking they were better off on the property ladder lost out, either because the property boom end crippled them, or because the condition of the houses left big repair bills for the purchasers, so many were actually worse off, my point is, Labour are not all that these days either!

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[quote=Bagpuss;590418]God knows what his problem is at the moment but PMs aren't moderated, this was the message I found whan I came home from work, nice chap as I'd done nothing to provoke him.



How peculiar?! Surprised I didn't get such a lovely message seen as I was still online at that time. Of course, I just got a special public mention instead :D

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My personal view is that the country is more controlled by certain large conglomerates and companies (especially the media) than ever before, and that the government (whether tory or labour) is progressively losing power. Add in the do-gooders, PC brigade, Brussels and the media and they are sometime stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I think there is a groundswell of public opinon that a big change is needed and some people are looking to the policitcal parties and not noticing much difference, hence why the minority parties are gaining ground. Give it 10-20yrs, and we`ll either be controlled by Europe without local parliament or it will be radically different. (hopefully)

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I agree. This government is as close to socialism as Kerry Katona is close to being voted Mother of the Year.

Sadly that's the only way they could become electable, in a nation which has grown selfish under Thatcher's reign. Me, me, me, and sod the rest.

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Absolutely agree garinda! I know somebody who had a perfectly acceptable offer for a building recently, pushed to have the offer enlarged, got refused, and his business went bust shortly after, pure greed and just deserts imo, the same as is going to happen to many who falsely expanded house prices, the sellers and estate agents, 'make hay while the sun shines?' the ones who did are going to find its raining for some time!

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The Conservatives made mistakes, they got voted out

Why shouldnt Labour face the same threat with the mistakes they are making.

And as for personal threatening pms, if someone has to resort to making them to argue a point, dont bother arguing it

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I agree with you too onlyme, Labour should be voted out, but should the conservatives be voted in? I dont think they deserve it either!

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I also agree.. but what are the alternatives ? another Tory reign ?.. no thanks!
If I have got out of hand or carried away on this subject, then that is an issue for the moderators and myself.
I'm not picking on you, I used your post to make a reply.

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aint gonna happen... :D

please do explain how ridny welling up made you choke ;)


oh sorry i thought it said swelling up

oops my bad

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That's the beauty of democracy, we can vote parties in and out.

Though sadly all the main political parties are so middle of the road, with Labour allowing the place to be over run by the super rich attracted by the generous perks, whilst at the same time taxing the most poor harder than ever, and the Conservatives bending over backwards to appear caring and sharing, with their hug-a-hoodie rubbish, that there is really very little to chose between them.

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Shall we all start a common sense party ? You know policies like...If you get life in prison, you serve life not 5 years ..... If you steal something you pay it back, even if it means you have to suffer hardship..... If you are a newspaper and print a lie to get headlines, you print a big retraction on the front page not hidden in a small column on page 18

Oh and my favourite ....Accidents happen and sometimes its YOUR fault so get over it.You cant always being suing someone else

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Lol, you ain't quick enough to pick on me, you grumpy sod.:D

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Ridny?

That's a new one to add to my long list.

It sounds like the Queen saying Rodney.:D

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add the greedy letting agencies as well i wonder if this means they will have to decrease their rent or will they not be able to afford it .this is just the start the western economy is going to crash big time the the established money men are going to make a mint.this the way they make big bucks..

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I think that's what people want, and the Tories have missed a trick trying to be Nu-Labour Lite.

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Now you have it cmonstanley! The rich looking after the rich, trying very hard to make each other richer, more toryism! My idea of a common sense party would be similar, only conscription, immigration, and capital punishment would come very high on the agenda!

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Ok so Derekgas for home secretary....who else signing up.

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didnt that used to be the tories job ?

good to see New labour keeping up the work of the tories and in all seriousness i cant understand why the tories want to be in power because with this New labour rubbish we technicaly do have a tory govenment

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In my opinion, this is the first bit of sense spoken on this thread - are you sure your on the right site?

The whole problem with politics in this country is the 2 party system. If we want any common sense we need to get away from our prestnt weather vein system. Various parties have tried eg BNP and Respect but they have tended to concentrate too heavily on single issues (Please dont anyone read this as me endorsing the BNP, the only thing they have going for them is repatriation and that is only cos I would apply for it!)
Regionally we have seen the For Darwen party and the Southport First Party achieve some success, only time will tell if they achieve their objectives.

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Nothing like a gentle civilised debate.








Is it?:)

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Well not now thank you all my hopes of Common Sense have just been blown apart:eek:

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Steady on tiger

check you out getting overly excited to the extent Rindy is renamed lol ;)

Personally I think that all parties should do the good old army 'cough' test, just to make sure the leader has the relevant dangly bits. I'm really tired of a 'leader' that has had theirs removed. Cameron, for example, seems to have been missing his from birth

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Why is it that people accept that Labour can be bad and good, but nobody is willing to accept that the Conservatives might actually be good too, regardless of the bad things they may have done in the past?

And why does nobody talk about the Liberals :p

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Excuse me that is a very sexist statement. I am not a great friend of Maggies but whatever you may think of her she had more than enough 'dangly bits'!!

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thats dead ironic to me polly, why on earth would you desert a sinking ship?:D if that was the case,you would probably be in a better position than most brits.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Because they haven't come up with a viable alternative, unless you count trying to be more New Labour than New Labour as an achievment.

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Exactly and thats the one thing pretty much every leader since her has lacked.

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We accept that Labour were once Good because we remember those days.

We don't talk about the Liberals cos no one can remember who or what they are

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It is ironic, but at the end of the day everyone has their own 'self interest' at heart, that is why we have so many problems with p0oliticians, ( from your postings I thought you were old enough and sensible enough to know that)

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yes but in all fairness they were attatched to dennis

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This is not about Labour being good..and it looks to me like plenty of people accept that the Conservatives might actually be good...even if they have "done bad things" in the past.. it's about people posting propaganda for the Tories.
Anyway I honestly wish you well in your exams and further education.. I'm sure you are grateful to the taxpayer and this Labour Government for paying for them..take a look at the conservatives history.. you'll find THEY objected to education for all, and opposed the NH, .. and opposed pensions, free elections, child labour laws, and anything else this nation now enjoys.

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I don't think I will ever vote for a party that represents the majority if I am not part of that majority. I would rather be selfish and vote for my own needs.

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Are you asking me to be grateful to a government about university fee's when they have increased next year?

Also I pay most of my funding back, so maybe I should thank my bank too, who will have supported me much more than the government by the time I finish my studies.

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Excellent.. you really have summed up the Tories!.. respect to you for telling the truth.

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As most political parties get elected with anywhere between 35 and 40% of votes, I dont think any recent government has represented the "majority"

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My vote is secret, and I haven't once said to you that I am going to vote conservative in the elections have I?

I'm not even a member of conservative future, so what makes you think I even really care about politics beyond discussing it on this forum every now and again.

Because I was curious, I asked a socialist politics student at my uni whether he'd vote for a party that represented the majority or whether he'd vote for his own interests, and he toyed with both ideas and still said his own, though we both agreed that if we were in a position of governance we would both try and represent everyone.

Although the entire population does not vote, everyone still has interests. The majority of the population does not vote, I wouldn't say otherwise, but unless they all shared the same view, the majority interest could still be represented by a party, though I'm sure I don't need to give people a lesson on fractions and percentages :p

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I agree. It doesnt matter who thought up a good idea, if its right to do then do it.

However sometimes it could be difficult to represent everyone or even the majority. The big one would be Europe...In to play a bigger part in world politics, financial support etc ..or Out and retain local control, more independance etc..I expect the "majority" would have an opinion but not an informed one. Isnt this why we elected our MPs though, to make the right decisions for us ?

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I've been avoiding this thread because frankly the original post is quite pathetic. Luckily sensible members of the forum have steered the conversation in a somewhat more structured fashion.

Thankfully I am not old enough to have been alive in the 1970's but a lot of you are. We had a 3 day working week. Unelected union bosses were bringing the whole of manufacturing industry to a standstill, stopping every housewife, every child, every honest citizen from having the vital power they need to go about their daily lives.

The economy was in a dire state, inflation was incredibly high, they thought you could solve money problems by printing more. The government couldn't do anything, it didn't have any control of the unions at all.

In stepped Thatcher who had the guts to make a hard decision. She gave the power to the decent, honest trade union member who didn't want to go on strike, in contrast to the trade union bosses that sought to bring this country to a standstill. They were invading the sovereignty of our British Parliament. She sorted our inflationary problems, yes by temporarily increasing them, but massive economy changes have that affect. Look at what it achieved, what people have today that they didn't have then, I can't remember a blackout lasting more than an evening in my entire lifetime. Our economy was incredibly successful after her reforms, the money was created for Blair to pump into education, the NHS, the police. It is just a shame that the money has been, in the most part, wasted.

No, she wasn't everybody's cup of tea. Yes, she went about things very abrasively, but she did what was right for our country.

Mancie if you're looking for somebody to blame over University fees, look no further than the current government who have introduced top-up fees making it incredibly more expensive for me to attend University. Look no further than the current government who want to remove the cap, so I could be looking at paying upwards of £7,000 a year to get a degree level education.

As for the Conservatives today, its a different kettle of fish, tackling a different set of problems. I wish we could move in progress, forward rather than constantly having to talk about the past.

This is not 'Tory Propaganda'. I don't know about anyone else, but I air my views, if you don't like them, that's fine, but I am just as entitled as anybody else. I'll defend to the death anyone's right to a viewpoint.

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Andrew, you mention Maggie, but since then I dont think the conservatives have had a leader or anyone within their ranks to compare. Say what you want about Blair, but he had the "gravitas" as a world leader, something Gordon doesnt have. I think this country is crying out for a true leader who has the guts to make a decision as you put it and do whats right not necessarily short term popular.

But who is it going to be ? All nowadays are faceless and the same as everyone else. I`m still waiting for someone who you think "yes he/she could do it".

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I think David Cameron can do it <3

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I agree, I think in many ways Blair was a good leader. When I first saw Cameron speak I thought he was the one to be party leader. Whether he can translate this into being a good Prime Minister, I suppose time will tell if the country were to give him a chance.

At the moment we have the 42 Days Detention bill going on (there's a debate and vote tomorrow if anyone's interested). The majority of the population are in favour of increasing detention without charge from 28 to 42 days. Cameron and the shadow home secretary David Davis have been very vocally against it. I honestly think this shows true leadership. To stand up and call it when they believe our civil liberties and freedoms are being eroded with no justification. Not because it's going to win them votes, but because they think it is the right thing to do.

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thatcher the leader who sold off all the family silver and made billions for the few and destroyed the infrastucture of a country yea great leader thatcher the milk snatcher.taking free milk off the school children the mark of a great leader .thatcher the champion of the selfish.unions and strikes were not confined to just britain it was a sign of the time in the world.thatcher who used the police for her own political gains nothing short of facism.she created the boom and bust that we have now.your saying thatcher was good for this country your havin a laugh.its time to take stock if you dont like what new labour are doing join them and change them, its time to change them from the inside.i will never be a tory or a pretend tory.im not rich or selfish enough.

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Erm how many years ago was Thatcher? Nearly 20? Times change as do parties. Labour are not the Labour from the era and I doubt the rest of the parties have the same ideas either.

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Milk stealer? Why should people who can afford to pay be given free milk? The socialist Labour government got rid of it for secondary schools, why are you not criticising them? In Hull Labour abolished Universal Free School Meals. Too right, why should somebody earning £100,000 a year get their sons and daughters meals and milk paid for? It makes sense to direct money to the people that need it.

I'm not rich and I'm definitely not selfish.Thank-you for judging me.

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andrewb please refrain from talking about the 70's if the only information you have is from google as i simply cant pay any attention to what you have to say on the 70's seen as you wernt even born

its a bit like a 18 year old talking about how great or bad woodstock was

im sure this labour govenment has more than enough cockups that you can throw in mancie's face that you have actualy lived through ;)


just sayin the 70's wernt as bad as your post makes out because as far as im concerned they were a damn sight better than the 80's , 90's and even present day but then again im going off the fact that we had hot summers in summer and snow knee deep in winter which we dont get anymore :(

i was only 10 after all ;-)

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I wish we had snow like the 90's :( I have truely missed out if it was even deeper before then. :mad: :D

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Let me remind you of the original.
A few people on this web seem to think this a chance to propagate their politics.. Andreweb and Blazey.. I think it's out of order.
Go preach your lies somewhere else... had enough of you lot in the 80's... idiots.

You have been accused... would you like to answer ? or do you still insist on rambling about your political view ?

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but the tories are still full of the super rich who want to make a quick buck on the back of somebody else.i bet if you went to a tory conference and they knew your background they would stick their nose up at you.thats like saying a murderer has done his time he's ok now he wont do it again. most offenders always re-offend.;)the tory party will never change.they will always be for the big rich exploiter.

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Well you rant about your political views in your signature so we can see it every time you post :D so why not us?! If anything, you copied off me by doing it!?

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lol at least you didnt say tories are the pedophiles of polotics coz they always re offend

but i like you anology :)

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anyway i think we should ignore blazey because she is just a plastic tory .shes not a real one she keeps telling us shes not rich enough:D:D:Dto be a real tory you have to have assets over £900,000:D

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Of course I copied off you..should you get away with blatant propaganda without some backfire... I must admit I do feel guilty, but that's only because I feel like I'm beating up some kid in the playground at lunch time! :rolleyes:

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I see, well all mine are just quotes in jest, which I use to wind up my left wing friends.

Also Cmonstanley, I don't know when I have ever said that, so I don't really know what to say to it. Most of the Tory supporters I know aren't rich or middle class for that matter.

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your never going to say you are a plastic tory:Dit was said in jest.but is there a difference being a tory supporter or being a real tory?

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Well I'm more right wing on the political compass than most ;) but I understand what you are trying to say, although it sounds a little bit stereotypical to me.

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Are the Conservatives also planning to stop Child Benefit as well then, because on that proviso a couple of fat cat parents in the City don't really need it either.

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God forbid we ever get the likes of Thatcher again,but Gordon Brown is going down the same road,,,,nobody can afford to live anymore...:(

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ah me own self interest at heart, how little you know, :rolleyes: so on your basis i'm obviously stupid. but never mind, you just declared yerself a selfish git.:D i can live with that.

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not stereotypical i bet theres not one in the tory hierarchy who earns less than £300,000 a year....in one of their jobs..plus i bet most of them can trace their family roots back to the days of william the third..

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Of course you have to take issues as they come, not using the same logic across the board, common sense. As far as that is concerned, why should the super rich be getting child benefits? If all it includes is money then surely they can afford to pay for their own.

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Originally Posted by andrewb View Post
Milk stealer? Why should people who can afford to pay be given free milk?
Why?..it was one way to improve the health of the children..you and Blazey are really coming out now.. should we all go back to shoving kid's up chimney's ? you will say no.. but if your party had not been opposed we still would be.

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Hell, I've met a lot of the Tory hierarchy, and they just love these silly little blind mice, whose blinkered beavering away helps keep the rich rich, and the poor poor, and you're right they do look down on the party faithfull who don't have the right old school tie.

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Thatchers father was a grocer. David Davis came from a single parent family living on a council estate. We already know the Labour party are not a party of aspiration though. What the heck is wrong with somebody putting their own effort in and working hard to make money?

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Thatcher can't.;)

When her daughter's D.N.A. was examined the strain came from Asia Minor and sub-Saharan Africa.:D

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couldent agree more,,

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Trust me, M.P.'s, party leaders, and even Prime Ministers, aren't the Tory hierarchy.;)

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Chimney sweeping? Do you live in the past or present? Milk will still be given to people earning £100k, by their parents. Why does the state need to provide it for them when the state could be directing that money where its needed. It makes sense.

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....and as for those beavering away in the shires, you are wayyyyyyyyyyy down the food chain.:D

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how little he knows.;)

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Answer the question.

Will the Conservatives also be scrapping Child Benefit for the same reasons you gave above?

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And why would you assume that everyone that did aspire to improve theirselves was Tory??? Do you really think that every successful person is a Tory?? You really are the limit:mad:

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I await the Conservative manifesto when the election comes around. I hope it will deal with what I have mentioned.

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the tories done more to put the small business out of business than anybody else could.ie small business owner ill vote tory tory party big wad of cash from multinational .can you help me wipe out the competition? ohhh yes lets make it easier for you to open supermarkets and hike up the business rates;)who owns the supermarkets?errr the tory heirarchy we now control who sells what.farmers ill vote tory errr lets all shut down the independent dairys and let the supermarket have a milk price cartell to maximise the profits and give the farmers less money.it just dont add up.

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I didn't say that at all Bernadette, of course that is not the case, I am sorry it came across like I was saying that. I was simply replying to cmonstanley who was criticising Conservatives saying only wealthy people support them, as if being wealthy is a bad thing. Along with the class warfare rubbish used in Crewe and Nantwich by Labour who labelled the local candidate a toff because his family have worked hard.

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Again on that little proviso what else would they take away from those they thought could afford it?

Education? Sorry, you'll have to pay for your schooling, you're a doctor.

Health? Sorry, you'll have to pay for that chemotherapy privately, even though you've paid your N.I., we've decided you earn enough as a plumber to go private.

Where will it end?

Doesn't sound like the caring, sharing, Tory-Lite, that Dave's always bangin' on about.

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Maybe I missed the point of this thread, but wasn't it aimed at STOPPING andrew and I discussing politics?

Now it seems like we are being forced to discuss our political beliefs to defend ourselves.