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thomas.lee 24-06-2008 10:37
Heinz to withdraw 'Gay Kiss' advert!
 
Due to around 200 complaints that it was offensive and inappropriate! I find this absolutely disgusting that Heinz are actually withdrawing the advert! What a kick in the face to the homosexual people of the UK!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...sa.advertising

This comes just weeks after Stonewall released the advertising campaign 'Some People Are Gay.. Get Over It'. Well this has clearly had no effect what so ever, especially towards Heinz who in my eyes, by withdrawing the advert are backing down to such homophobic people and too concerned about the sales of their products rather than fight their case with the ASA deeming it not offensive, nor inappropriate! What sort of society do we live in today? =/

http://www.stonewall.org.uk/educatio..._news/2043.asp

*Angry right now* :mad:

emamum 24-06-2008 10:45
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in what way is that offensive?

When i saw this thread i thought i hadnt seen the advert, i watched it on the link and i have,

its sooooo offensive i didnt even remember that there were 2 men kissing on it...

Less 24-06-2008 10:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas.lee (Post 597460)


This comes just weeks after Stonewall released the advertising campaign 'Some People Are Gay.. Get Over It'.

*Angry right now* :mad:
Some people aren't 'gay', get over it!

*not really bothered right now* http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies...ferent0009.gif

polly 24-06-2008 10:51
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Call me cynical, but I bet the withdrawal of the ad was planned at the same time as the ad was designed.

Double exposure, lots of brand attention and all for free

jaysay 24-06-2008 10:52
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 597465)
Some people aren't 'gay', get over it!

*not really bothered right now* http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies...ferent0009.gif
Me neither Less:rolleyes:

jaysay 24-06-2008 10:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polly (Post 597466)
Call me cynical, but I bet the withdrawal of the ad was planned at the same time as the ad was designed.

Double exposure, lots of brand attention and all for free
If I didn't know better I'd think you were a cynic polly:D

grannyclaret 24-06-2008 11:22
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i dont like it either,,, it certainly wont make me go dashing to the shops for heinz,,,,,give me the cute kids anytime....MUM

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 11:24
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Can't say as I've noticed it but I wouldn't be surprised if Polly is right. There have been other ads with gay men in so why single out this one?

grannyclaret 24-06-2008 11:29
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 597478)
Can't say as I've noticed it but I wouldn't be surprised if Polly is right. There have been other ads with gay men in so why single out this one?
Because its just over the top...a nice pat on the bum would have said the same thing...

emamum 24-06-2008 11:33
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if my partner patted me on the bum when he was leaving, instead of kissing me i would be pee'd off!!!

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 11:40
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Oh THAT ad! pmsl I hadn't even seen that as a gay couple. My interpretation of the ad was that the kids and the husband 'saw' the wife and Mum as a New York deli counter guy because she was providing them with New York deli type stuff to eat.

thomas.lee 24-06-2008 11:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 597479)
Because its just over the top...a nice pat on the bum would have said the same thing...
How is it 'over the top'?! There are countless adverts where we see a man & woman kiss.. but just because its two men you think its over the top and 'dont like it'! What you have basically just said is homophobic, and its people like you who give children of today the impression that homosexuality is wrong, which leads to bullying throughout schools, and other acts of discrimination such as racism etc.

Absolutely no justification for your comments.

Tin Monkey 24-06-2008 11:52
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You can carp on about society/individuals accepting homosexuality as normal, but the fact remains that we're not at that point. Whether homosexuality will ever been seen as 'the norm' is arguable, as the fact remains that it isn't natural and so is outside of the mainstream.

Whilst the advert is fairly harmless and should arguably be seen as 'a bit of fun', the reality is that the majority of males (and probably females to a lesser extent) find the image of two men being 'overly affectionate' discomforting and I count myself amongst that number. If that makes me a homophobe in people's eyes, then fair enough. I'll live with that.

Tealeaf 24-06-2008 11:53
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What the hell is the Accy Web coming to? I switch on here to catch up with the local gossip, acts of criminality and council stupidity and what do I find? Not one, but two threads about our gay chums. Enough is enough. If it is to be sodomy on tap then can there please be a seperate section?

thomas.lee 24-06-2008 12:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 597486)
What the hell is the Accy Web coming to? I switch on here to catch up with the local gossip, acts of criminality and council stupidity and what do I find? Not one, but two threads about our gay chums. Enough is enough. If it is to be sodomy on tap then can there please be a seperate section?
No.

panther 24-06-2008 12:04
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Complaining about that advert??

What on earth for?.....I found it rather amusing:D...better than some crap they show.


ya know some people have nowt better to do than moan....they should GET A LIFE!!!

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 12:05
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Yes I thought it was amusing too. It never even struck me as a gay kiss. Hardly passionate was it?

thomas.lee 24-06-2008 12:07
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Im glad not all people on here and so narrow minded.

panther 24-06-2008 12:17
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im very open-minded:D

MUMMIBOO 24-06-2008 12:31
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I saw the ad on telly the other night and i liked the ad! i felt the same as willow i didnt even see them as Gay men he was a New York deli guy pretending to be Mum! Geeezzz!

shakermaker 24-06-2008 13:12
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It's a funny advert. What's the big deal?

People who find this offensive on uncomfortable homosexual scenes would also find the old Tango ads offensive*. Which is pretty absurd; the advert hasn't even got anything to do with sexuality! People who find this over the top or offensive lead exceptionally sheltered lives and I pity them greatly.

*The Tango ad that was aired after the company was forced to change from the 'cheek slapping' Tango man to one that kissed the bloke when he took a sip of Tango.

grannyclaret 24-06-2008 13:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas.lee (Post 597483)
How is it 'over the top'?! There are countless adverts where we see a man & woman kiss.. but just because its two men you think its over the top and 'dont like it'! What you have basically just said is homophobic, and its people like you who give children of today the impression that homosexuality is wrong, which leads to bullying throughout schools, and other acts of discrimination such as racism etc.

Absolutely no justification for your comments.
everyone has their own view,,,i couldent care less what your gender is,,, I just find it not amusing....same as i find the burnley chap flogging double glazing not amusing
.............................:kiss8::kiss8::kiss8: :kiss8::kiss8:

Mancie 24-06-2008 13:36
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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 597540)
everyone has their own view,,,i couldent care less what your gender is,,, I just find it not amusing....same as i find the burnley chap flogging double glazing not amusing
.............................:kiss8::kiss8::kiss8: :kiss8::kiss8:
Is "the Burnley chap" gay..Granny what advert is that? I don't think it matters, if he's selling double glazing then he's already got issues in his life.

janet 24-06-2008 13:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 597482)
Oh THAT ad! pmsl I hadn't even seen that as a gay couple. My interpretation of the ad was that the kids and the husband 'saw' the wife and Mum as a New York deli counter guy because she was providing them with New York deli type stuff to eat.
I thought just the same as Willow too.
Just watched the ad again and do not find anything to be offended about it.
Maybe I have more in life to think about. lol:)

Gayle 24-06-2008 13:51
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I saw it the same as you Willow - the New York deli man actually is Mum.

But the first time I saw it on TV I thought, 'I bet someone complains about that one'. If they've had 200 complaints about it, I wonder what would happen if they had more than 200 complaints about the complaints?

Margaret Pilkington 24-06-2008 13:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 597482)
Oh THAT ad! pmsl I hadn't even seen that as a gay couple. My interpretation of the ad was that the kids and the husband 'saw' the wife and Mum as a New York deli counter guy because she was providing them with New York deli type stuff to eat.
That was my interpretation of it too!
it must have something to do with mindset. Ours, that is Willow.

Margaret Pilkington 24-06-2008 13:57
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And Gayle, Janet and Mummiboo too.

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 14:19
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Then again I don't see pantomime dames as transvestites either! ;)

grannyclaret 24-06-2008 15:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 597568)
Then again I don't see pantomime dames as transvestites either! ;)
Neither do i Willow

kathleen_firth 24-06-2008 15:06
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to be honest i really dont understand the advert but i sertainly dont find it offensive.

AccyLass 24-06-2008 15:14
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I thought it was a good advert, not offensive at all

The kiss was only a peck, like famous people kiss, like friends kiss, wasn't a full on snog

baldy 24-06-2008 15:29
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I think if people get wound up about this ... they have too much time on their hands!

***Mr D*** 24-06-2008 15:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 597486)
What the hell is the Accy Web coming to? I switch on here to catch up with the local gossip, acts of criminality and council stupidity and what do I find? Not one, but two threads about our gay chums. Enough is enough. If it is to be sodomy on tap then can there please be a seperate section?
Funnly I was thinking the same thing.

katex 24-06-2008 15:44
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Just echoing other people's thoughts on this advert.

I have just watched it, and would have taken it as others ... never would have considered they were depicted as 'gays' at all ... just thought it was a clever way of showing what us mothers feel like sometimes when the family needs feeding. The kiss just made me laugh .. particularly when the Deli man calls him over to say "Haven't you forgotten something". How many times have us women said that.

Offensive .. not at all. As for explaining it to the children, not difficult for me as this is the way I saw it. :rolleyes:

Less 24-06-2008 15:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas.lee (Post 597483)
How is it 'over the top'?! There are countless adverts where we see a man & woman kiss.. but just because its two men you think its over the top and 'dont like it'! What you have basically just said is homophobic, and its people like you who give children of today the impression that homosexuality is wrong, which leads to bullying throughout schools, and other acts of discrimination such as racism etc.

Absolutely no justification for your comments.
O.K. you've had your hissy fit and proved yourself to be like Elton, you seem to be erring on the side of hetrophobic THE sexuality that although is considered the norm' isn't compulsory if you wish to sleep on the brown side of the sheets, fine, just don't expect it to be an easy ride!

Why on earth people like you call yourselves 'gay', I've no idea you all seem more depressed than happy, live with your sexuality and allow the rest of us to live with ours don't blame us because you're different, we didn't make you the way you are.

I hope you can come to terms with what is obviously a big issue for you but is of no real consequence to the rest of us.
;)

grannyclaret 24-06-2008 15:51
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Its whatever turns you on,,,,I supose Heinz have got the right idea ,its made people talk about it,,,,good publicity and all that..

accyman 24-06-2008 16:00
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i found this advert offensive not because it was 2 gay men but because they had a child calling the man mummy

sory but that dosnt sit right with me and although no expert i dont think gay male couples who have children would expect a child to call a man mummy just as 2 lesbian women wouldnt expect a child to call a woman daddy

well thats what i think anyway

lettie 24-06-2008 16:27
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I can't see anything offensive about this advert and took it in the same way that Willow, Margaret, Mummiboo etc did. I can't help thinking that Polly is right though............ Maybe I'm just a cynical old git.:)

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 16:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by accyman (Post 597611)
i found this advert offensive not because it was 2 gay men but because they had a child calling the man mummy

sory but that dosnt sit right with me and although no expert i dont think gay male couples who have children would expect a child to call a man mummy just as 2 lesbian women wouldnt expect a child to call a woman daddy

well thats what i think anyway

But they weren't calling a man Mummy. It was their Mummy but she was being depicted as a deli counter server because that was how they were all treating her. Like Gayle said, sometimes Mum's feel like that, or that they are a telephonist/secretary or a taxi driver/chaffeur. If it had been about taking kids to this that and the other and dropping hubby off somewhere the wife would probably have been played by a man in a peaked cap.

That was precisely why it didn't come across as two gay men - BECAUSE the kids called one of them Mum because in reality she wasn't a man she was their female Mum but just fulfilling her 'New York Deli Counter' role which is usually a man with one of those silly hats and a Bronx accent.

I think the subtelty of the image went over too many heads and that offence was consequently caused where none was ever imagined.

West Ender 24-06-2008 16:34
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I'm amazed that anyone could find this advert offensive because, for a start, there is nothing Gay about it. I tend to agree that the whole withdrawal thing is part of a strategy but I think the little scene is very funny. It was no more Gay than Morecambe and Wise (and, before them, Laurel and Hardy) sharing a double bed.

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 16:35
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Ah but people are now seeing gay undertones in that and in the relationship between Holmes and Watson, and Batman and Robin!

Margaret Pilkington 24-06-2008 16:46
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Willow, to them, I would say 'that to the pure all things are pure' :)

lancsdave 24-06-2008 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 597624)
But they weren't calling a man Mummy. It was their Mummy but she was being depicted as a deli counter server because that was how they were all treating her. Like Gayle said, sometimes Mum's feel like that, or that they are a telephonist/secretary or a taxi driver/chaffeur. If it had been about taking kids to this that and the other and dropping hubby off somewhere the wife would probably have been played by a man in a peaked cap.

That was precisely why it didn't come across as two gay men - BECAUSE the kids called one of them Mum because in reality she wasn't a man she was their female Mum but just fulfilling her 'New York Deli Counter' role which is usually a man with one of those silly hats and a Bronx accent.

I think the subtelty of the image went over too many heads and that offence was consequently caused where none was ever imagined.

So basically the British public have been duped by a guy from New York. Suppose it's a change from Washington :D

garinda 24-06-2008 16:55
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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 597485)
You can carp on about society/individuals accepting homosexuality as normal, but the fact remains that we're not at that point. Whether homosexuality will ever been seen as 'the norm' is arguable, as the fact remains that it isn't natural and so is outside of the mainstream.
I'd have to argue the point that homosexuality isn't natural.

It might not be liked, and it's certainly a minority, but it has been a part of every society since time began, as well as in every species of other animals. Therefore, by it's very defintion, it's part of nature.

As for the advert, it's just a clever piece of marketing. The ad men knew there would be complaints from the narrow minded loonies, and all the extra publicity it's garnered is priceless.

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 17:15
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Nail - head Rindy.

steeljack 24-06-2008 17:15
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Don't know about the 'kiss' poisoning childrens minds , but the crap Heinz product will definatly poison their bodies, totally wrong to serve kids stuff like that .

jaysay 24-06-2008 17:20
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In the 70s and early 80s I worked extensively in the night club industry, and of course I came accross a lt of gay people. One night a gay barman was asked a qestion, he was asked why, when there were so many good looking young girls all around, did he fancy men, his answer made me think and did explain a lot. He said I am a victim of circumstance, I have the mind of a woman in a mans body, to me there is no answer to that, the best explanation you could get really

emamum 24-06-2008 17:33
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Tin Monkey.... are you one of these people that thinks Gay people 'choose' to be gay and can be reprogrammed into being straight??

Sexuality is intrinsic (right word?) so therefore is natural......

katex 24-06-2008 17:39
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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 597642)
Don't know about the 'kiss' poisoning childrens minds , but the crap Heinz product will definatly poison their bodies, totally wrong to serve kids stuff like that .
Living in America that is laughable Steeljack . the sauce crap they serve over there is more than excessive.

If you look at the sandwich it is a ham salad sandwich which seemingly is known to fulfill everything that is required in a diet.. the addition of a little sauce would do no harm. Need a little fat.

katex 24-06-2008 17:42
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 597630)
I'd have to argue the point that homosexuality isn't natural.

It might not be liked, and it's certainly a minority, but it has been a part of every society since time began, as well as in every species of other animals. Therefore, by it's very defintion, it's part of nature.
Tell me about it .. wanna' see the drakes on my lodge mounting each other during the Spring .. would like to think they are practicing, but sure I can detect a smile.... :D

MargaretR 24-06-2008 17:46
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I had never seen the ad, so searched You tube- it is there

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0bkv0jCCM

I don't find it offensive

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 17:47
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It's in the original link on this thread - or was when I looked.

MargaretR 24-06-2008 17:48
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sorry missed that

ps just looked again - press links were given but not the actual ad

thomas.lee 24-06-2008 17:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 597604)
O.K. you've had your hissy fit and proved yourself to be like Elton, you seem to be erring on the side of hetrophobic THE sexuality that although is considered the norm' isn't compulsory if you wish to sleep on the brown side of the sheets, fine, just don't expect it to be an easy ride!

Why on earth people like you call yourselves 'gay', I've no idea you all seem more depressed than happy, live with your sexuality and allow the rest of us to live with ours don't blame us because you're different, we didn't make you the way you are.

I hope you can come to terms with what is obviously a big issue for you but is of no real consequence to the rest of us.
;)
What you have just said in the above post is complete & utter rubbish. Im not even going to say anymore in response to your post.

steeljack 24-06-2008 17:55
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 597659)
Living in America that is laughable Steeljack . the sauce crap they serve over there is more than excessive.

If you look at the sandwich it is a ham salad sandwich which seemingly is known to fulfill everything that is required in a diet.. the addition of a little sauce would do no harm. Need a little fat.
wasn't commenting on the good stuff on the sandwich , just the 'Mayo' junk , there are so many chemicals and preservatives in it that it lasts forever , recently found an opened jar in the back of the fridge with a use by 2005 date and it was still good , just a bit of crud around the screw top rim .
Sure MargaretR will be able to provide an analysis of the health benefits of such stuff ;)

katex 24-06-2008 17:59
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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 597670)
Sure MargaretR will be able to provide an analysis of the health benefits of such stuff ;)

Not meant to be particularly healthy .. just tasty to lift what could be a dull sandwich. To me, all food is healthy ! .. LOL ... if taken in moderation blah, blah, blah.

MargaretR 24-06-2008 17:59
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In this recent thread
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ous-40396.html
I looked at my own jar of mayonnaise - it's fine - just check that your brand doesn't have hydrogenised oil

katex 24-06-2008 18:01
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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 597664)
sorry missed that

ps just looked again - press links were given but not the actual ad
Actually Margaret, doesn't come up for me on the original post ... had to go through google to get it on a gay site.... :D Sure is the same for others.

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 18:04
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It's still coming up on the original link for me. It's embedded in the news page. Doesn't load immediately.

garinda 24-06-2008 18:05
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I wonder if the men who find homosexuality 'unnatural', would also have the same problem if it was a bit of girl on girl lip action?:rolleyes:

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 18:07
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If a girl gave a girl a peck like that I wouldn't assume they were lesbians either. It's just so not a passionate kiss.

katex 24-06-2008 18:08
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 597680)
I wonder if the men who find homosexuality 'unnatural', would also have the same problem if it was a bit of girl on girl lip action?:rolleyes:
Yeh, they are really turned on by that 'ain't they' ... hypocrites ... :p

garinda 24-06-2008 18:09
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 597683)
If a girl gave a girl a peck like that I wouldn't assume they were lesbians either. It's just so not a passionate kiss.
Perhaps they might use the actresses from Tipping the Velvet, to advertise Quilted Velvet toilet paper.:D

Benipete 24-06-2008 18:10
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I didn't find it offensive i just thought it pathetic.It won't encourage me to either buy the product or indeed become a raving iron.

MargaretR 24-06-2008 18:13
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I don't find affectionate pecks between the same gender offensive
If it had been a hot tongue down the throat job, then I might have said yuk- not for family viewing

Neil 24-06-2008 18:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 597562)
I wonder what would happen if they had more than 200 complaints about the complaints?
Someone shoot me now.



That's what I said to Rhonda this morning :D

grannyclaret 24-06-2008 19:49
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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 597625)
I'm amazed that anyone could find this advert offensive because, for a start, there is nothing Gay about it. I tend to agree that the whole withdrawal thing is part of a strategy but I think the little scene is very funny. It was no more Gay than Morecambe and Wise (and, before them, Laurel and Hardy) sharing a double bed.
Give me Morcambe and Wise ,and Laurel and Hardy any day of the week,,,They were in a league of their own,,,,Certainly no inuendoes,,just good clean funny "MEN"

Tin Monkey 24-06-2008 20:08
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Hmmm... there are 2 discussions going on here. The Heinz advert did bother me, not because of the 'gay' undertones, but because it isn't particularly funny. Apart from the poor quality of the advert, I saw no offense in it.

The other discussion seems to be whether homosexuality is natural. Well, like it or not, it isn't natural. Intercourse is with the intention of passing on DNA to the next generation, but reproduction is impossible between humans of the same sex. Of course, as advanced human-beings we override nature everyday, but don't ever tell me that homosexuality is natural. I know that homosexuality exists in nature, but if that trend became the natural norm, then the species would die out.

I have no problem with alternative lifestyles, but personally I do not like to see two men kissing. As I said before, if that makes me a homophobe, or whatever the in-vogue term may be, then fair enough. I can live with that.

emamum 24-06-2008 20:22
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omg..............my 6 year old accepts it, why on earth cant you? He has seen 2 men kissing and 2 women kissing and didnt question it!

grannyclaret 24-06-2008 20:42
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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 597751)
omg..............my 6 year old accepts it, why on earth cant you? He has seen 2 men kissing and 2 women kissing and didnt question it!
when i was 6,i believed in tooth fairies,and diddent question it

Lilly 24-06-2008 20:49
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 597565)
And Gayle, Janet and Mummiboo too.
You can include me too.

I interpreted it that mum was the NY Deli counter guy too. :)

What a load of fuss over nothing.

West Ender 24-06-2008 20:49
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I think the intention of the advert was to display a little humour in having the "mother" portrayed as a street-wise, world-weary New Yorker (didn't he look like Robert de Niro? I like him), with the accent we all associate with the Sopranos. I suppose the inference was that Heinz Mayo is good enough for a NY deli, where they know their sandwiches.

On the more thorny question of homosexuality (which, in my opinion, has nothing to do with this advert), I can only say - whatever floats your boat. I don't, personally, understand how one can desire a member of one's own sex but I appreciate there are those who do. I don't think it's "natural", because I am heterosexual, but I'm pretty sure it feels very natural to a gay person. I don't know why anyone, of either persuasion, should get hot under the collar in a discussion like this. The way I see it is - I like sugar, you like salt, so what?

emamum 24-06-2008 20:51
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he understands that my friend Gary has a boyfriend and kisses boys, my friend Helen has a girlfriend and kisses girls.............

boys can love boys or girls and girls can love girls or boys...

Tin Monkey 24-06-2008 21:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 597777)
he understands that my friend Gary has a boyfriend and kisses boys,
That couldn't have come out any better!!!! Absolute classic. :D

garinda 24-06-2008 21:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 597746)
The other discussion seems to be whether homosexuality is natural. Well, like it or not, it isn't natural. Intercourse is with the intention of passing on DNA to the next generation, but reproduction is impossible between humans of the same sex.
Your social life must be fun, if you've only ever had intercourse with the hope of producing a child.

I take it you haven't done 'it' very often?

Either that or you live with the old woman who lived in a shoe, the one that had so many children she didn't know what to do?

Tin Monkey 24-06-2008 21:07
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Selectively quoting as usual Rindy? Makes a nice change eh? :)

emamum 24-06-2008 21:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 597784)
That couldn't have come out any better!!!! Absolute classic. :D
what??

garinda 24-06-2008 21:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 597786)
Selectively quoting as usual Rindy? Makes a nice change eh? :)
Not at all.

Just commenting on the particular part of your post that most interested me.

By your definition would every post-menepausal woman, who made love to her husband, also be guilty of being 'unnatural' too? After all that union isn't going to produce a child either.

emamum 24-06-2008 21:24
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im on the pill....is it unnatural for me to have sex?

garinda 24-06-2008 21:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 597794)
im on the pill....is it unnatural for me to have sex?
The answer to that depends whether you look to a seventy one year old male virgin, and a former member of the Hitler Youth, for spiritual and moral guidance.;)

emamum 24-06-2008 21:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 597801)
The answer to that depends whether you look to a seventy one year old male virgin, and a former member of the Hitler Youth, for spiritual and moral guidance.;)
if thats the only option i'd rather not bother............

but... i suppose masturbation is unnatural aswell........

Lilly 24-06-2008 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 597803)

but... i suppose masturbation is unnatural aswell........
I don't think it's referred to in the bible if that's what you mean but hey, there you go. :D

emamum 24-06-2008 21:44
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On the subject of the Bible i would like to point out that Jesus was concieved without sexual intercourse....was he unnaturally concieved ??

Bonnyboy 24-06-2008 21:45
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Don‘t see the fuss myself. It wasn’t a particularly memorable advert.

Some folk are just too sensitive.

Royboy39 24-06-2008 21:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 597810)
On the subject of the Bible i would like to point out that Jesus was concieved without sexual intercourse....was he unnaturally concieved ??
Funny old world...in it?

shakermaker 24-06-2008 22:03
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Just because a person believes homosexuality is unnatural does not mean they lead lynchings or at all condemn homosexuality.
People are mistakenly confusing what is natural with what is 'good' and in turn unnatural acts with what is 'bad'.
Believing homosexuality is unnatural is a opinion on biology and by no means a signal of homophobia.

katex 24-06-2008 22:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 597791)
Not at all.

By your definition would every post-menepausal woman, who made love to her ????, also be guilty of being 'unnatural' too? After all that union isn't going to produce a child either.
OH hek !! I am doomed, doomed I tell ya' ... :D:D Had to amend your quote a little.

cashman 25-06-2008 00:03
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fer me anyone who gets their knickers in a twist, ONE WAY or the OTHER, i reckon has their own issues to deal with, get on wi it, its nowt.:rolleyes:

Tin Monkey 25-06-2008 05:26
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Very silly and selective. You seem to want to ignore the next line of my post which stated...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 597746)
Of course, as advanced human-beings we override nature everyday,
Homosexuality is not natural. That's a fact and not a comment on the people who so inclined.

Tin Monkey 25-06-2008 07:05
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Hehehe.... someone just left anonymous karma calling me a 'dim-wit'. Should I start a thread about it? :D

I thought my argument was very eloquent and well sourced, which is more than can be said for an ignorant, unsigned comment. Where's JB when you need him? Oh yeah, he's on my ignore list. ;)

MargaretR 25-06-2008 07:13
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Has anyone considered this?

Homosexuality is a natural way of controlling population whilst satisfying the basic desire for pleasurable emotional and physical satisfaction.

So by endowing some proportion of the world population with these inclinations, a global, natural way of controlling population has resulted.

WillowTheWhisp 25-06-2008 08:02
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Apart from them lesbian women who want to be parents and go for amateur AI. ;)

Tin Monkey 25-06-2008 08:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 597963)
Apart from them lesbian women who want to be parents and go for amateur AI. ;)
Hehehe... good point.

A lot depends on what you believe in Margaret. If you believe in a God (or such like), then the idea of a grand vision where such factors are created would be applicable. However, if you believe in a natural selection process, then any such abnormalities would be seen as a genetic 'throw back'.

A blind watchmaker? You bet! ;)

MargaretR 25-06-2008 08:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 597971)
Hehehe... good point.

A lot depends on what you believe in Margaret. If you believe in a God (or such like), then the idea of a grand vision where such factors are created would be applicable. However, if you believe in a natural selection process, then any such abnormalities would be seen as a genetic 'throw back'.

A blind watchmaker? You bet! ;)
I am atheist and believe that our planet evolves its own way of controlling equilibrium and stability.

At present our over population and destruction of biodiversity will eventually be balanced by catostrophic natural disasters which will cause large scale human death and the balance will be restored.

Not a nice prospect I know.
I am known as the 'harbinger of doom' :D
but it will be necessary and will ensure the survival of the human race and all life on this planet.

garinda 25-06-2008 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 597936)
Hehehe.... someone just left anonymous karma calling me a 'dim-wit'. Should I start a thread about it? :D

I thought my argument was very eloquent and well sourced, which is more than can be said for an ignorant, unsigned comment. Where's JB when you need him? Oh yeah, he's on my ignore list. ;)
I notice that you haven't commented as to whether you think every act of union, which may include a man who has had a vasectomy, a post menepausal woman, or indeed any couple who use contraception, is also 'unnatural', because there is no chance of any offspring being produced.

As for mentioning your karma comment, it certainly wasn't me.

If I thought you were a dimwit I'd say so in a thread, as I much prefer to playing to a wider audience, than giving private shows for one.

If you don't believe me I could always give you a karma comment now, if you so wish.:D

BERNADETTE 25-06-2008 11:22
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Why do we need to know every time somebody gets negative karma?? It is getting a bit boring now:rolleyes:

garinda 25-06-2008 11:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 598128)
Why do we need to know every time somebody gets negative karma?? It is getting a bit boring now:rolleyes:
Lol, it is.

I could have a whole section to myself, if I felt the need to share with you every time I got any red blobs.

I also have a theory that people that make a big fuss about it, are more likely to be targeted, because the person doing it knows they'll get a reaction.

It seems to pain some people more than childbirth...which brings us nicely back on track.:D

WillowTheWhisp 25-06-2008 11:37
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What about all the people who can't have children because they are infertile? Are they normal? Maybe we should test people before they marry and not allow it if they can't reproduce. :hidewall:

shakermaker 25-06-2008 11:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 598119)
I notice that you haven't commented as to whether you think every act of union, which may include a man who has had a vasectomy, a post menepausal woman, or indeed any couple who use contraception, is also 'unnatural', because there is no chance of any offspring being produced.
I believe that humans have a natural instinct for any kind of sexual intercourse because genetically speaking it has for the most part of humans' existence provided reproduction, which is the core survival instinct. This means that the only 'natural' course of sexual intercourse is for reproduction, and we're just using our instincts for differing ends otherwise as we do have the ability to defeat our genes. Instincts are harder to overcome.
I refer you to my earlier post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 597825)
Just because a person believes homosexuality is unnatural does not mean they lead lynchings or at all condemn homosexuality.
People are mistakenly confusing what is natural with what is 'good' and in turn unnatural acts with what is 'bad'.
Believing homosexuality is unnatural is a opinion on biology and by no means a signal of homophobia.
The last sentence is for thomas.lee especially.

keetah992000 25-06-2008 11:55
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i havent read though all the posts - so somebody may have already said it -
i dont see anything of homosexuality in the advert -its just an advert
but .......
if we are going to nit pick - then why does the person maiking the sandwiches have to be a man? do women not work in deli counters ?
but the advert wouldnt work then would it ? mmmm..how many of theose that complained i wonder had been sat on the sofa all day watchiing tv and had numb butts ??


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