Why we should sterilise teenage girls ... temporarily at least
 

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This article certainly gave me food for thought. one sentace inparticular made me think . "yes this really does happen" How many girls actually get pregnant for the wrong reasons?

Indeed, for many, it seems, a child has actually become a kind of perverse badge of honour.

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not for that idea at all, think it would be simpler just to give em no benefits if they get in the tub fer the wrong reasons.

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Agree to a point cashy but in the meantime how many unwanted babies have we got?...

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true but i'm near sure the number would decrease with it.

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Is this real!!! not April fools day is it?... sterilise teenage girls..or any aged women ..what planet are we on?..unwanted babies? who are you to say babies are unwanted?... this ain't the 19 century.. Ok if you seem so keen on it lets try it out on your own daughter or grand child.. Nazism.

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How many "unwanted" babies have WE got?..I don't have any unwanted babies.. so if it's you and Cashy then keep it to yourselves :)... where are these what you call "unwanted" babies?..I do have my suspicions they are unwanted by yourself.. for whatever reasons.. but may not be unwanted by the parents.

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Girls only get pregnant with the aid of a boy.

So why single out girls for ‘temporary’ sterilisation?

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What are these wrong reasons? By who’s standard?

So you would condemn a totally blameless and innocent child to a life of poverty?

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I think the wrong reasons are getting pregnant so they can get a council house and benefits so they don't have to work.
It happens quite frequently nowadays unfortunately, i see quite a few in the garage where i work and they treat the kids like dirt most of the time.
What chance have these kids got with parents that have no intention of working and are buying booze every day during the day with their benefits money?
I think in principle it is a good idea but also agree with you Jambutty,it takes two to tango,the blame shouldn't lie solely with the girls.

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"Education would benefit, too. Classrooms would be less plagued by fatherless lads whose ambition it is to cause nothing but trouble."

Sorry, I was trying to read the article with an open mind till i read the above. Gave it up as a load of propaganda trying to blame the worlds unrest on the single mother.

Hows about the Government try and actually work with the single parent, rather than demonify (SP) them. I have NEVER come across a pregnant teenager that had a child to get a council house. Most seem to be out of a misplaced love for the father, or purely a mistake.

If the Government made it easier for single parents to go back to work, then surely that would be better. The system is not designed for working parets. Lets face it, how many parents have cringed at the 6 week holidays (or 9 week as my child has!!). If the Gvernment put something more in place to assist with childcare, a) I think a lot more lone parents would actually want to go back to work, b) Then they coud also look at encouraging/retraining lone parents, or look at initiatives as they have the long term sick

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All this sex education seems to have a negative effect IMO. When we were younger there was very little sex education taught and yes a few girls did get pregnant but there didn't appear to be this fixation with going out and having sex. Whatever happened to kids being kids? It certainly wasn't high on my to do list!!!

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Think sex education is a good thing but only after a certain age.
When i was in my last year of primary school i remember a nurse coming to the school to talk to us about sex,at 11 years old i think it was pointless and not needed.
If they started with it at 15 years onwards then i think that is okay but putting ideas in young peoples minds can only be a bad thing imo.

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15 yr old is to late in many cases, I am 26 now and when I was at school there were 3 people I knew pregnant either by or at 15, and it has got worse since. Many people I know had their first child at around 18 / 19 which is still young and you are still a teenager at this age. Most pregnancies I know of have not been planned, mine wasnt but it happens. When they are younger parents, many of them tend not to have the same patience as and older parent and may not know how to deal with many situations thrown at them as a parent. It isnt easy being a parent, let alone a single parent (and I know this) and many of them are single mums.

Not sure if sterilisation is the way to go though, seems harsh but will stop pregnancy at a young age, but may not be right personally, thats controlling someones life.

I think if they are educated it will help, and this should start at starting secondary school. Many girls are at that age then where they could fall pregnant by this time and the lack of education would not help the situation

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Its only a few weeks ago that it was being discussed on Brakfast telly that kids as young as five should be given some form of sex education Loz. When I was at school there was no such thing as sex education, there again there were no such programs on TV such as Big Brother which openly flouts sex for all to see, give the fact tat lots of kids watch it, they don't realy stad a chances do they

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Okay so 15 years old might be too late but there is no need for it before secondary school!
Jay that is unbelievable that they would even consider giving sex education to 5 year olds!
What the hell is the point?
I'm pretty sure i had no idea what sex was at that age and wouldn't of wanted to know either!
What happened to innocence of youth?

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Teenage pregnancy rates have soared since sex education became such a big thing, so as far as I'm concerned it has had a detrimental effect on todays society

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some women do it to try and trap the men too, 4 or 5 different kids with 4 or 5 different dads, you'd think they'd learn after the first few wouldnt you?

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Our science teacher had to teach us about sex in the 2 year of secondary school.
he said "there would be a lot of theory but NO practical work and NO homework".:D

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The blame for teenage pregnancies must also lie, in part, with the media and in particular those girlie magazines aimed at teenagers. Don’t forget their parents, grandparents and great grand parents who relaxed their moral values after the last war. Most homes didn’t have man in the house (killed in the war) and poor old mum trying to keep the family solvent just couldn’t cope. With each successive generation those values were eroded away.

However society and the government must also share some of the blame. Latch key kids were left to their own devices as both parents went out to work and they didn’t have the time to educate and control their kids. Both parents went out to work because one wage just wasn’t enough to cater for their needs and wants. Blame the bosses for not paying adequate wages.

Commerce must also take some of the blame with their incessant advertising of new this and new that and must have this and must have that. Adverts for make-up, hair care and clothes aimed at women and teenage girls send out the “be sexy, be desirable, be attractive” message.

Finally to all those people whingeing about people getting benefits. Would they rather have the child taken away from a single mum and placed in an orphanage?

That would cost an awful lot more than a single mum would get on benefits.

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:eek::eek::eek:

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The article is not suggesting actual sterilisation just long term contraceptives that last for a few years such as the contraceptive injection rather than the pill which has to be taken every day.....I would need to know more about this injection though before encouraging my daughter to have it.

Sex education for 5 year olds does sound shocking but the reality is not as shocking as it sounded in that article a few weeks ago. They weren't suggesting talking explicitly about sex to 5 year olds, just talking about body parts and their names, babies growing in mummy's tummy....it would all be age appropriate.

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loz seems to have answered that in the following post n i'm sure you knew damn well what i was refering too, you just like to be the headmaster, well carry on.:rolleyes: my daughter knows many of these young girls that have "got" pregnant to get a house n go on benefits, most were school chums of hers, if you think this should carry on so be it, I DON'T. and mancie if you read the posts properly instead of through a bottle, my first one said i was against sterilization.:rolleyes:

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A possibly good concept there ruined by the idiocy of the person reporting it. Ridiculous bias and references to completely disproved theories did more damage than good. In reality the vast majority of the population would say that it would not be appropriate for 12-17 year olds to be having children and this would stop that. The only problem I can see would be an increase in STDs as the number of people using other forms of contraceptive would fall due to no fear of pregnancy.

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reason i don't think its a good concept Sam- i have no faith in the testing of these medicines/drugs etc, there aint enough "Long Term research" done into the effects of em, Thalidomide showed that to dire effects.

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Ya Lilly but do kids as young as 5 need to know these things, I peronally don't think so. Did you know about these things when you were 5, I'm sure I did't. let children be children and lts stop paying lip service to these people who have to justify their existance and the huge saleries that go with them:(

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I didn't know the proper names for male / female parts when I was 5 but I wouldn't mind my kids being told. I don't suppose I knew about babies growing in mummy's tummy when I was 5 either as I am an only child so if I wasn't told at school I wouldn't have been told at home at that age.

Again, I wouldn't mind my kids being told about this as long as they went no further, it was age appropriate and not too explicit.

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My son started asking questions as a toddler.

I don't believe in lying to children so I did not avoid the subject with lies about storks and gooseberry bushes. I didn't elaborate but answered each question truthfully when asked.

As he grew older the questions got more complex, so by the time he was in his early teens he needed no 'sit down chat' to advise him of the 'facts of life'.

We had established an ability to discuss the subject without embarrassment, so much so that he related to me the circumstances in which he lost his virginity, and went on to ask about how best to give a woman pleasure.

It is never too soon - they will ask when they are ready to know if you show that the question doesn't embarass.

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That's great, Margaret!

You are one cool mum. :D

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Is this real!!! not April fools day is it?... sterilise teenage girls..or any aged women ..what planet are we on?..unwanted babies? who are you to say babies are unwanted?... this ain't the 19 century.. Ok if you seem so keen on it lets try it out on your own daughter or grand child.. Nazism.


Mancie give your head a shake and sober up!!! try and read the post before dishing out bad karma. Firstly I know exactly what planet im on unlike yourself. I have seen many cases of unwanted babies through my life and also babies being born into families for the wrong reasons who have either ended up dead ar beaten by thier father. ! Also one sentance if you could be bothered to read explains it all .
[COLOR="Red"]Teenage girls, she said, could be steered towards what is described as "long-term contraception".[/COLOR]


This is now possible thanks to the development of contraceptive jabs and implants which can last up to five years.
Imo If this can be proven to be harmless and not cause lasting harm then it is no different to the contraception we already have. inc the implant which I believe is good for quite some time.


How many "unwanted" babies have WE got?..I don't have any unwanted babies.. so if it's you and Cashy then keep it to yourselves


Last time I looked this was a public discussion forum:eek:


... where are these what you call "unwanted" babies?..I do have my suspicions they are unwanted by yourself.. for whatever reasons.. but may not be unwanted by the parents.


Read above. Now whose being judgemenal

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Like Lilly says, 5-year olds are only taught Human Anatomy, and the correct words.

My daughter, being a nurse, alway did this with my Grandaughter, and by this age she knew the correct words for all parts of the body, including the genital areas plus sperm/ovaries, etc .. nowt wrong with this.

I do think that it is important to move into sex education (from a social point of view as well as biological) from the age of 11, for both female/males as this is when menstruation/puberty can begin, and could be scary if you don't know why this bleeding process, wet dreams are happening to your body.

I do agree, however, that it has become more sociably acceptable to have children out of wedlock and part of the problem, but do not agree that any woman has a child just to draw benefits.. that is an unacceptable opinion to me.

As to 5-year birth control, bit extreme as may wish to get married and have children in your late teens. Would it be reversible ?

Thought that Samf's point re. STD's was solid, however, good contraception has been around for a long time, and still men refuse to wear condoms if they know a gal is on the pill. Difficult to argue in the heat of the moment, so that is where male responsibility comes in.

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I'm sorry but it isn't always that way - women can want it without just as much as a man and it can be up to him to insist.

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OK yer not wrong Sam, always willing to do a U-turn ... LOL .. so you men have to be more forceful about it , but can you .. :p

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Sorry but I can't get my head round the fact that kids are having sex so young, come on girls are having babies at twelve and thirteen years old!! Then we add to the mix STD's, is it just me that thinks it is so wrong that kids are having sex so young? Not only are they having sex but with multiple partners!!! What about instilling into these kids a bit of self respect? These kids probably have more partners whilst they are still babies(in my eyes) than I ever will have!! I was always brought up to believe it was self respect not to be available!!!

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I agree Bernie.
Sadly our next generation is too advanced IMO. I think these young uns that are having children themselves are wishing them to grow up way too fast therefore from what they wear to how they teach them to say things. . It seems IMO some children are used as a fashion accsessory(sp) X is saying and doing this so Z needs to be taught it too so he can be better than X...
We all want our children to be bright and bubbly but too many want them being mini pop icons.

I think the reason also is that youngsters having children of thier own are quite often barely old enough to educate themsalves let alone a child of thier own

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Think a contraceptive implant would be a good idea as long as they were educated about STD's.
I have an implant and have suffered no side effects whatsoever,its painless to insert and lasts for 3 years when you can get another one if you want.
Anything which cuts down on teenage pregnancies and STD's can only be a good thing surely?

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There are fatherless girls too.

But being fatherless doesn’t mean being a disruptive pupil.

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Long term contraception might seem like a good idea, but is it really?
Maybe then the girls will have no fear of pregnancy and will not get the male partner to use condoms...then we have the spectre of STD's raising their ugly head....Chlamydia being a very common one which will affect the future fertility of these girls....so that when they want to have a baby...in a stable relationship, they may find that their reproductive equipment is damaged beyond repair.

If a girl is mature enough to enter into a sexual relationship then she has to be mature enough to take the appropriate precautions.....after all it is her who will end up holding the baby...literally, if she doesn't.

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[quote=jambutty;618093]There are fatherless girls too.

But being fatherless doesn’t mean being a disruptive pupil.[/quote

Think you might want to look a little more closely at posts before you part quote them.

The above quote was one I had quoted from the Original link, the article that sparked this all off.

MY post basically stated that I stopped reading as soon as I reached that point cos it was a load of ba ba (putting it nicely)

Have a look at the full post JB

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education wont stop those that use children as an excuse not to work

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Say what you like about how it takes two but there are plenty of women in this country who willingly pick up one night stands one after another in the hope of getting pregnant and couldnt even remember the guys name and quite frankly couldnt care less as long as they got their baby to keep them off the list of people who should be sent back to work
There are plenty of women out there that ACCIDENTLY get pregnant when their first child goes to full time school which surprise upon surprise, gives them 5 more years of having an excuse of not going back to work

Not having a go at stay at home mums by the way im just saying that there are some that will do this just so they dont have to work. I have been both a working mum and a stay at home one. I personally kept my work to part time so I could have best of both worlds. I agree that there are many out there that cant do this.


Like ive said earlier i think that if this sterilising works and has no long term or lasting effect. bring it on. although like many agree that the STD s are a must that should and must be addressed.

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Are we not just fighting nature here? Surely, if so, we are bound to lose?

'Civilisation' has extended childhood, indeed we are still doing it, keeping children longer and longer in school, perhaps in most cases it is for the better, most people would agree that a young girl reaching puberty should not become the prey of sick older men.

Puberty itself however brings with it the complication that the urges are very strong and without much effort almost any young girl and boys of similar age are willing to experiment, not because they have necessarily had a bad upbringing but because that is the way our basic instincts are. If everyone looked back and then was honest, what a traumatic time that was and in actual fact it doesn't take much for the thin veneer of civilised behaviour to be swept to one side and beggar the consequences.

Sterilisation? What happens about the poor girl that is temporarily sterilised and perhaps would have resisted her basic instincts but when she reaches our version of maturity then finds that for her this form of contraception has left her completely sterile for ever?
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Excellent point .... and it is not fair to inflict any penalty on the child for the actions of the parents .... and I don't like the term "unwanted" when "unplanned" says it a lot better. We all come into the world the same way; and we all deserve a chance ... and in affluent states like England, all kids should be given a chance .... As Pope Urban said: Inter faeces at urinas nascimur sunt (sorry if my Latin is a little rusty) ... but kids shouldn't have to spend their lives in the crap because of the circumstances of their birth.

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Don't think sex education puts ideas into anyone's head .... the ideas come along uninvited, and the point of sex education should be to deal with the ideas that the young people have, and help them to handle the biological, social, and peer pressures that come along at a certain age.

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Why do some people think young girls go out to get pregnant, just to get benefit?
if thats the case then they are in for a shock!!

Why are these girls have to get benefit in the first place?......because the boy dont want to know, ...again its the girls who always get the blame....what they should be doing if fanging hold of the males and snipping them, as well as dealing with the girls......as someone said....it takes two, so BOTH should be dealt with!


No one told me about sex...did i go out and get pregnant as a teenager and sleep around?....NO, to me, sex education as nowt to do with it!

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How many of you guys were "accidents" .... I know I was, my mom told me .... I made it this far, tho I sometimes wonder why I bothered;)

My son was an accident too .... his mother and I were married at the time, but unfortunately to different people:eek: This accident is now teaching engineering at the University of Saskatchewan on a post-doctoral fellowship.:theband:

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I had the contraceptive implant and it did not agree with me at all, my daughter has tried the injection and that didn't do her any favours, as for STD or STI's as they are now known it has been reported that these are extremely high in people of 50 plus at the moment due to the fact that they are coming out of long term relationships and playing the field so to speak, so its not just the young who need educating about the risk of STI's

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I realised that I was unwanted when they wrapped my sandwiches in a road map and put me on the wrong bus to school:confused::confused:

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They tied a pork chop around my neck and sent me out to play with a pit bull:eek:

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was gunna give you karma for that but gotta spread it around so iou :D

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I wondered why you finished up in Canada.:p:D:confused:

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Lucky I wasn't born here .... they would have dipped me in honey and sent me out to play with the bears:eek:

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I don't know any young mums that have given up their babies even if they weren't planned. All my friends that have children seem to be really doting mothers who love their children very much.

I think this idea is not only completely against human rights but completely immoral. Who is to say when a girl should or shouldn't have consentual sex with someone or have a child?

I think some people should be ashamed of themselves, and i'm certainly not referring to the young mothers or their children that so many people seem to take upon themselves to insult and humilate.

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So because you don't know anybody Blazey it means it doesn't happen?
Don't be so naive.
I unfortunately know quite a few young girls who don't give a damn about their kids just where their next drink is coming from.
We have young kids of 3 and 4 years old wandering into the garage on their own because their parents don't watch them and don't notice they have gone!
I'm not saying all young mums are bad but they are out there and i feel so sorry for the kids,what chance do they have in life?

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I know a few people like that too Loz, dont deserve to have kids, waste of space they are.....damn right scum!!

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My point in highlighting the risk of STD/STI was that, through a non barrier contraception being used for these young girls....who perhaps then feel they are protected from unwanted pregnancy, they may find that in later life they are sterile because of their 'unsafe' sexual activity.
I am aware that STD/STIs are now common in the older age group...as you pointed out.....but it really isn't going to affect their ability to procreate.

Many contraceptive agents do not agree with women.... they just have to keep on trying to find one that agrees with their own body chemistry.
All methods of contraception have failure rates(female sterilization has a failure rate of 1 in 3)...but by far the biggest failure is that people fail to use contraception.

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If it was such a massive problem I think I would at least know one person who has dumped their unwanted baby into a home.

There was an article in The Times yesterday which suggested that the pill affects a womans ability to naturally find a suitable partner. I don't know if anyone read it but it was very interesting!

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What an emotive subject!

We all know, or think we do, of young girls who get pregnant on purpose so they can get a Council flat/benefits/etc. Some of us can remember the Bad Old Days when becoming pregnant, while unmarried, was shameful and had to be hidden.

While I would hate to see a return to the days when mothers were forcefully parted from their babies it did, at least, mean that girls thought twice, followed by another 3 times, about casual sex that might result in pregnancy. I would never want to see a child brought up in poverty but I do think the benefits available to the reckless young mother are an encouragement to disregard the consequences of promiscuity.

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The word sterilisation in the article is a bit strong. Long term contraception is what they're talking about. Once long term contraception is stopped....the next injection not given, the implant taken out, the girl will be able to have a baby if she was capable of having a baby before.

No contraceptive except a hysterectomy will leave a girl sterile for ever.

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But Lilly, contraception of this nature may give rise to reckless sexual activity....which may in turn leave a young woman with only IVF as an option to have a family.
Chlamydia does irreparable damage to fallopian tubes.
I am speaking from long experience.

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I take your point, Margaret. :)

Reckless sexual activity may result in Chlamydia which in turn causes fertility problems but the root cause of infertility in these circumstances is the reckless sexual activity.

Less seemed to think that the contraception itself could leave girls permanently infertile.

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Long term contraception may lead to reckless sexual activity.......maybe girls think that pregnancy is the only thing to be covered for....but it should be assumed that every partner anyone has(that is, both boys and girls) is carrying an STI.....and take the appropriate precautions(Condoms)....safer sex requires that barrier methods be maintained.
Sexual activity also spreads the HPV that is a precursor to cervical cancer too.
Not that I want to spoil anyone's fun !

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Well I have known many women/girls over the years who seem to look at cashing in on thier children but also see them as a burden.
This happens in all areas where the mum sods off to the pub and couldnt give a fig where the kids were or what they were doing , many whom were fending for themselves to save on childminding fees .
These are the irrisponsable ones who should feel ashamed of themselves, and in most cases you cant blame the father either. The woman/girl is the one who decides to keep the child but then insists on spending her time in the pub with possibly the father.
Sadly it does happen and is quite widespread too .
How anyone can defend these girls is way beyond me.

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Can't see any evidence of anyone defending a single mother of the one that you describe Cherokee. Just how widespread it is, small minority in my opinion, and not a reason to 'sterilise short term' the rest of the country's female teenagers. How would they do it anyway? Forceful contraception would surely be illegal as rape of the human body, and contravening human rights .. ?

The suggestion, at one time, that we should sterilise the mentally ill has never got off the ground, so has no hope with mentally stable young people.

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When I say widespread Katex I am referring to the fact that it isnt just happening in one particular area but all over the country. On a whole I believe teenage pregnancies have dropped slightly but there are still girls out there getting pregnant for the wrong reasons.
Teenage pregnancies have always happened , contraception and education is the only way to reduce or even stop this. If there is a way foward to stop a child/young girl throwing her youth away surely its a good thing.
If contraception is so quickly condemned then its no wonder there are debates like this.

As a mother to a teenage lass I do understand the seriousness of discussing contraception. and imo there are many girls out there that not only slip up once but over and over. Surely there is some room for any form of contraception to be discussed.?

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There was an item on the news yesterday regarding te increase of AIDS, this should at least be a warning to both sexes that unprotected sex is a no no, for both unwanted pregnancies and catching STDs

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Just to clarify, forceful sterilisation DOES occur but it has to be allowed by the court on application. It happens sometimes with women in mental institutes if it is believed to be in their best interest to not get pregnant.

There is a case called Re F that shows this occurring, but I can't remember the year... 2003 perhaps

Obviously there are discussions about human rights and thigns as you say, but if it can be argued that it would harm the woman or baby to allow pregnancy than of course people can intravene, just like women can have their babies taken straight from them once their born by social services.


The problem with THIS is that they think that it is acceptable to do it to all young girls, which is pretty terrible if you ask me. Just because some teenage girls get pregnant to get on benefits doesn't mean that they are the only ones to do it, older women are bound to do it too. You can't just sterilise the ones that look like they might be doing that, who would decide?!

It is just completely stupid, I can't even believe that people are having to discuss whether it is a good idea. I'm pretty sure that there is a woman with a 15yr old daughter who is pregnant on this forum at the moment and I'd love to see whether a grandmother-to-be to one of these 'problems' would agree with this inhumane idea.

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As much as I would like to disagree with blazey, I find a thread that even by discussion would brand all teenage girls as not able to make rational decisions so far as sex is concerned.
Any society that would condone such an act isn't worth saving.

I knew a young lad, lucky enough to be a handsome beast, always had the girls falling over him, would treat them like queens until he finally got them pregnant then he would drop them like a brick to fend for themselves, by the time he was 20 he had six children by different girls that he had 'thrilled', and he laughed at the payments he was supposed to make, if anyone caught up with him with a summons etc. he would just up sticks and move to a new address and the courts would have to start all over again.

The majority of people answering this thread seem to be women, surely you have all been tempted by sex as a single girl and should therefore be saying there but for the grace of god go I.

You didn't get caught, don't insult the latest generation of women by even contemplating forcing them into a situation you would think inhuman for yourself.

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The majority of people answering this thread seem to be women, surely you have all been tempted by sex as a single girl and should therefore be saying there but for the grace of god go I.

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Theres a difference between having protected and unprotected sex Less, a difference between wanting to get pregnant and NOT wanting to get pregnant, i never wanted to get pregnant again after having Reece so therefore i have been on the pill and use condoms too, its worked mighty fine for me for the last 12 years

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Right, but the majority of women have tried sex as a single girl without being caught, they have planned their lives taken precautions and in a majority of cases ended up in a form of stable relationship before having a child, should that majority be forced to take involantary contraception? Just because a few and let's face it, it is a few compared with the number of women that are out there that would use themselves and a child to get an 'easy life', we all know they are living on pipe dreams, they have chosen a short route to hardship.

Strangely I think most young women have the intelligence and will power to resist that trap.

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In my opinion, it is a lot more hard work bringing up a child full time as against going to work, so can never understand why young girls would want to be single parents just to obtain benefits to avoid work.. :confused: You never have any space, have to watch/cook/entertain/organise baby-sitters for any nights out, etc... even body space as they need nursing, climb all over you, holding hands when you venture outside (which takes ages to organise, as have a long list of items to take with you when under 3 years); the list is endless. No respite whatsoever. Although you do it for love naturally, any life of your own is spoken for.

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YES, career women for instance, they manage not to have babies, therefore taking the necessary precautions NOT to have them

its simple really, if you dont want a baby then you go out of your way not to have one

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I agree with Flashy.

Only when a girl wants to get pregnant or isn't bothered either way will she have unprotected sex....if she has any sense she'll insist on contraception.

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i know someone in my family who says 'i cant take the pill, my doctors said so, i cant have the coil, my doctor said so, i cant have the pill injection, my doctor said so' it really irritates me because i know that its just an excuse to have more babies and stay on the social

yeah i have been on the social for a long time now, but i didnt keep spitting out babies so i could stay on it forever

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People like that irritate the hell out of me too. :(

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:D here calm down mate...you'll be getting me a bad name!..:D

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Generations of war widows, and some widowers, did all that parenting, and still went out to work to put food on their families table.

There wasn't the option of being a state funded, stay at home, parent.

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Hey, me too Garinda .. had to bring up my son plus grandaughter lots of the time plus working in Manchester, but on the first few years I spent at home with daughter/son, found it hard work being with a child on your own all day long with no freedom. Just trying to say can be easier to work, rather than have children to avoid it ... sorry, if not making meself clear... :rolleyes:

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I agree.

Parenting, if you're doing it well, is never easy.

Especially if there is only one parent.

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Saw a young girl with a baby at the hospital the other day and it made me feel quite sad. Baby was crying and neither she nor the lady with her(think it could have been a very young health visitor) seemed to know what was wrong. Said I thought the baby had wind(and she had). Just doesn't seem right such young girls having so much responsibility.
Before anyone has a go I am not saying she shouldn't have had the baby and know older mothers may not have recognised what was wrong with baby. Just found it so sad.

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Some people are making out that teenage girls are getting themselves pregnant simply as a means of getting benifits..I think the percentage is very small..but quite a high percentage may be "unplanned"..it's a very dangerous road to go down when talking about sterilising anyone..Blazey touched upon the law..but laws can be changed by Goverments like in China were this pratice was carried out in the 70's when women were sterilised for the "good " of the nation.. the pill and condoms are the safer ways were the peolple involved can take the option.

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Just pop one of these under your tongue for me.

http://www.epharmacy.com.au/images/p...s/7908/150.jpg


We can't be too careful.;)

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I'll stick to a gob swill with Detol ..and Mcleans ultrabright (currently on sale at £2.59 in Tesco!)

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It's a terrible question, isn't it? When I was a teenager it was unacceptable to have a child "out of wedlock". Sure, girls got pregnant, but it was either marry the father or give the baby up for adoption.

I don't think the reality of parenting is hammered home hard enough to young girls these days. I also think young boys are left out of the equation far too readily. Biologically, it takes two, and we're too ready to condemn the girls while absolving the boys.

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well funny you should mention that Ste, was visiting my mate in the hospital today and Reece was looking at the different names of the wards as we passed each one, we went passed the GUM clinic and he laughed and said 'thats a stupid name for a ward, whats it for?' .... so i told him, its for silly men and women who dont use condoms because when you dont use condoms you get nasty diseases


he already knows that condoms prevent babies

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Whatever happened to the male pill, haven't heard 'owt about that one for ages ??

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How does the law stand on this? I know that men can be charged with having sex with a girl under sixteen but does the same aplly to lads who are minors??

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P M me and send me a map:dancedog:

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you wanna start having more babies do ya Benipete? ;)

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It probably died a death.....I wouldn't trust a fella to take a pill every day, would you? :eek:

I have to remind mine every Tuesday to put the bins out.....I can't be fagged to mither him every day to take a pill. :rolleyes::D

Also, for those who haven't been together since the Crimean war like we have :rolleyes: you can't beat a condom, you can see that a condom is being used, you don't have to take their word for it.....not to mention protection from STDs aswell.

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:alright:;)

Karma sent ... good post ;)

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sorry lilly its like washing yer feet wi yer socks on.:D

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Nice one Cashy!
You sound like my fella!
One of a few reasons i have the implant!

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The best thing for a fella is Two house bricks>>:D:D.........;)

Or the snip:p.........................

I dont need to use anything, ;)

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I have tried and tested so many variations of the pill now due to family medical history and I still haven't found one I am happy with, it's a bit of a nightmare and i'll get the same side effects with the implant or injection according to the doctors and nurses I see, so there is no point even trying them, so basically I am on and off the pill all the time.

I don't see the difficulty in using condoms at all, even those with allergies to latex have options open to them, so there really is no excuse.

I can't say I've not had unprotected sex, I had a boyfriend for 3 yrs and I trusted him enough not to cheat on me and pass on diseases and infections. However, there are times when I have doubted the pill and had to still take a pregnancy test anyway just to be sure. Does that make me a bad person?

I have a male friend who has been so reckless in regards to sex that he has had chlamydia and ghonnerhea several times and has herpes downstairs that flares up if he gets worn down or stressed. Pretty nasty stuff. I'm sure nobody wants scabby parts!

I don't understand the point about me having double standards from a bit further up, I simply think girls should be able to make their own minds up if they are 16 or over. I don't know what would be right under that age, it doesnt seem to be an option to sterilise all those say between 12 and 16... so I guess the problem isn't necessarily going to be solved anyway.

I'm sure people have daughters within the range of 12 - 16 years old on the forum, and I imagine most would like to think their daughters weren't having sex, and as sterilising them would certainly be at request or consent of the parent I dont think many will let it happen... though I may be wrong! I'd like to think my mum wouldn't have chosen to sterilise me!

Basically, I guess I just want to say that yes, there is a problem with teen pregnancy but sterilisation is not a solution to that problem.

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Good post Blazey, but if sterilisation isn't the answer and all other methods don't seem to be working what options are there left to try?
I still believe that it could work and be a good option,maybe it should be tried on a trial basis and see how it goes.
We will never know unless we give it a go.

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If anyone honestly thought it was going to be a good solution it would have been the first method used in the first place. I don't think we shoul try it as a last resort.

If I thought it was a problem in every single case I woul suggest it, but as many young girls make excellent mums I would never suggest it. The problem is probably in education. How many girls realise what a real responsibility it is being a parent, particularly a single parent? Probably not many.

I've never been taught at school what it would be like to have a baby young, and I don't think that is the reason for other girls getting pregnant. The biggest reason in my opinion is that schools aren't focusing enough on the individual goals and aspirations of their students. If a student starts GCSE with no idea of what they can do afterwards or of what qualifications they need, they don't do as well as they could a lot of the time. Teachers aren't sparking passion in their students and that is the problem, at least in my own experiences. I didn't even find out about my opportunities to go to uni til I got to the end of my first year at college. I think that is a failure on my high schools part right there. Perhaps if I had been guided better I might have understood the value of A levels to me as an individual.

If people have no idea of what they can do in the future and what affect getting pregnant early could have on all that, then what reason do they have to be more careful?

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Good points but if some young girls think its a easy way to get benefits etc.. then what incentive have they got to get work etc...
The goverment needs to take some blame and stop making it so easy to have that sort of life.
Agree about better education though,i was the same,wasn't really made aware of my options and went into work at 16 and regret it in some ways,it must be even worse if you are 16 with a child thinking you have the life of riley when in reality it must be a nightmare at times.

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At 16 I didn't even think about the possibility of living on benefits and at that time I knew exactly what it was like to bring up a family on them, so I think that if people really knew what it was like they'd think twice.

I don't actually know any young mums on benefits, and I know at least 10 girls from my year with babies now. It seems that college is more accessible to young mums than ever before so they go to college instead.