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Was reading a report last night regarding Tower Hamlets Council in London, it seems that all employees and councillors have been sent an Email asking them to observe the feast of Ramadan, by fasting so as not to upset the muslim employees who work for the council. No doubt this will actually have nothing to do with the muslims that work there just PC prats who are employed by the council. Where is all this PC crap going to end:(:(:(:(

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I will celebrate Ramadan by having a bacon, sausage and egg barm cake for breakfast.

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Are they going to make those that don't give/receive blood......give/receive blood?

As not to upset everyone else of course :rolleyes:

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I think if I worked for someone that expected such a thing from me I would book a few days on the sick stating dizziness from lack of food making it dangerous for me to fulfil my duties.:confused:

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Have you not had your letter from the council jaysay? The one stating that you must observe ramadan in order not to upset the majority of Accrington! No? I havnt either, was just wondering how long it will be! :rolleyes:

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I'll observe Ramadan if they'll observe Lent Derek:rolleyes:

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me too Jaysay, and when they celebrate christmas, and live by our rules! hehe

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These clowns have imposed other silly directives in the past according to this article in the Telegraph -Councillors told not to eat during Ramadan meetings

Christmas meal to be renamed “festive lunch” and Bonfire night celebrations replaced with a show about some Bengali folk tale. Absolute madness.

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People with health problems dont have to fast pregnant women and women on their monthlys dont either..... unless they are insisting that everyone fasts, unlike the muslims?

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I'm 99% sure this report is completely fabricated.

Barm cake?! What kind of foreigner are you! :eek:

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Why the hell should they have to?
Its not their religion,what a load of bull.
I would like to see them try and bring something like that in where i work!
When its ramadam the muslims that work with us fast and we let them get on with it,simple!
We have been told recently at work that we are not allowed to cook bacon in the microwave any more because it is against their religion and somebody has complained about it!
Madness,sheer madness!

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are you gunna stop selling it as well?

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What do you like your bacon, sausage and egg served on, barm cake, muffin, oven-bottom, tea-cake or how about a stottie? As my long departed grandmother used to say " If there's any difference, they're all alike."

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It's a tea-cake! Nothing else!

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Exactly!
They have no qualms selling bacon or alcohol etc.. which i guess we should be semi grateful for!
But seriously we have been open nearly 2 years now and this is the first time it has ever been an issue!
We can't understand it and have said that maybe there should be 2 microwaves then to stop any trouble.

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Is it not your right to heat up whatever you fancy for your lunch? I would be asking them to provide a second microwave for the 'others' or canteen facilities, I assume you have to put up with whatever others want to warm up? Sounds like a seperate room could be an idea, to preserve YOUR human rights!

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I mentioned in another post about getting another microwave!
They haven't suggested it,we will have to bring it up and god knows if they will go along with it!
We don't have rights in an issue like this i'm afraid,if it had been the other way round there would have been an uproar and racist slurs being bandied about,we can't win unfortunately!

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That is so out of order
If i was going in for an op that meant i couldnt eat for the previous day and thought that people eating in front of me would make it more difficult - I would take the day off work however i understand that ramadan is a fairly long time.
I know that part of the ramadan fast is a test of willpower - it wont be much of a test if nobody is eating would it.
Like you say the e-mail was probably sent by one of the councils PC guys - who was no doubt typing it on his laptop whilst sat in a lovely restaraunt filling his belly on company expense.
I feel sorry for muslims when things like this happen because it can cause them to feel singled out. I remeber when 9/11 happened were i once worked - all of the muslim workers were taken into an office and the mananger chatted to them about how they felt the community and how they were being treated ensuring that they were okay. Nothing was said to non muslim workers and the muslim workers were told not to discuss the agenda of the meeting.
after that all of the muslim workers sat together didnt integrate as much and were guarded. There was no reason why al staff couldnt have been talked to altogether as it affected everybody , no matter what your culture was .

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This implies that you have less rights than others in this country, that in itself is a disgrace!

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Your employers seem to be well out of order in this matter. It is disgusting IMO!!!

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Wasn’t Tower Hamlets the first or one of the first local authorities to be infiltrated by immigrant councillors?

http://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/data/your-council/index.cfm makes interesting reading.

And http://sps2ksrv.towerhamlets.gov.uk/MeetYourCouncillor/Members.aspx makes even more interesting reading where 31 of the 51 councillors have immigrant sounding names. What’s the betting that they are all devout Muslims?

I assume that the request (not TOLD as the Religious Affairs Correspondent Martin Beckford stated) was made by the ruling political party whose leader is a Councillor Lutfur Rahman who is also the Leader of the Labour Group. The reasoning behind the request is that 36% of the Tower Hamlet population follows Islam. Meaning that 64% do not. So Muslims are in the minority yet seem to have a majority representation at council level.

For many years now I have been of the opinion that Islam is infiltrating this country like some religious cancer and even made my views known on this forum. Only to be met with vilification and being called a racist. My claim that it is the sworn duty of every Muslim to promote the cause of Islam at every opportunity until the whole world follows Islam, was met with scorn, in spite of the fact that several Muslims have told me that it is true. Most Muslims only pay lip service to that edict but if push ever came to shove they would have to follow the party line so to speak.

Promoting Islam can be done by force or by stealth. I days of old it was done by force but that isn’t practical today so stealth it is. But how?

Create Muslim enclaves in targeted wards of towns and cities and get a councillor elected to office. A Muslim councillor is practically guaranteed a vote from all Muslims in his ward.

Make sure that the younger generation gets a good education so that they can get a job in the Town Hall, social services and the like.

Slowly but surely this country is being turned into a Muslim country, ward by ward, town by town and city by city and we are allowing it to happen. Nay not just allowing it but encouraging it by default and voter apathy.

Blackburn has 17 councillors out of 69 councillors with immigrant sounding names. Hmmm! It wasn’t all that long ago (1992) when there was just one. The Muslim community hasn’t quite gained control of the council but with 10 councillors as probable Muslims out of the 27 Labour (ruling party) councillors it won’t be long before it happens. Our current Mayor is Mohammed Khan elected as a councillor in 1992. See http://82.109.175.29/CMISWebPublic/CommitteeDetails.aspx?committeeID=123

How long before Blackburn follows a similar line to Tower Hamlets? Or Accrington, or Burnley, Bradford, Barnsley, Preston, etc. etc. etc.

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I wonder how true this 'report' actually is?

As for the microwave thing, years ago we had 2 microwaves in a place that I worked at, one for meat eaters and one for 5 vegetarians that worked there. Seemed fair enough to me. I really don't see what the problem is if people don't want to heat their food in the same microwave where others have been cooking fatty bacon.

As for these people who use East Lancashire as a barometer for Islamic 'infiltration', then it's hardly representative of the country is it? Very poor use of statistics and flimsy evidence.

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It is about time that the muslim population realised that their imposition of their customs on the rest of us, only serves to alienate us from them.

This 'starve with them at ramadam' thread is an example - also the wedding fireworks - also blatent disregard of parking restrictions on Blackburn Rd.

It all serves to stir discontent and encourage the racism that they complain about

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I think this is one of those pc gone mad absolutely nothing to do with muslims but blamed on them things that mani was looking for a few weeks ago

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ims-41097.html

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That doesn't explain illegal fireworks and illegal parking

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Its the same old story Margaret, if some one said tothe muslims not to park the way they do, and that letting of fireworks was anti social I honestly think they would abide by the same rules as use. The fact is the powers that be (police, councils) are so frightened that they will be branded racist by the PC brigade, that we have the situations that we have, and a lot of it is not muslims at all, its white nut cases that like to think they can make these decisions on their behalf, :mad::mad:

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Exactly that jaysay, and shock of shocks, I agree with jambutty for a second time in as many weeks... must go see the doctor!

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There, there derekgas, you’ve only had an attack of common sense.

By the way what’s gone wrong with your avatar? It seems to have a corrupt frame or two.

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Must be that muslims are complaining JB, the Cross of St George reminds them of the Crusades:rolleyes:

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That looks reasonable to me too Willow, but once again Muslims (I hate grouping people by their religion) become the 'folk devils' of our society.

I still can't work out how someone's religious affiliation affects their parking habits.

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What a load of P.C. nonsense from a person that believes in 'live & let live', if someone chooses one way to live then, grand let them be free to live that life, but surely their way has to fit in with the majority, not the other way around?

The people that live around me of whatever colour or creed get on with their lives and don't expect anyone that doesn't want to, to have to fit in with their views, May all your different gods one day allow other peoples gods to live in harmony until then the do-gooders will ruin the world!
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You have to laugh when you get a thread where people are saying that the minority should defer to the majority, that a nation's culture and way of life are being taken away by immigrant groups, and then start talking about the Crusades!!

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:D I'm just wondering if the Muslims are a minority or a majority on that council. ;)

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If they thought they were going to miss out they should have asked for a grant....for a bait box? ;):)

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A bit of cherry picking there WillowTheWhisp.

If you are throwing doubts on the accuracy of the report in the Telegraph, then surely it has to be the whole report or nothing. For does not that same report that you doubt also report about meals being scoffed by non Muslim councillors?

The real answer to that problem would be to serve two lots of food. Or is that too easy for the PC brigade and leaves no room for conflict.

What’s going to be next? We incumbents of the UK not being allowed to walk through a Muslin enclave eating a bag of crisps or smoking a fag during the daylight hours of Ramadan.

And the real issue is pandering to the Ramadan whim by reducing council business during the 30 days.

If someone takes on the Islamic faith then they have to accept that it is out of step with most of the rest of the world and they cannot expect the rest of the world to accommodate them. Except that they do and also want the rest of the world to convert to Islam.

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If you read the thread through (Post 21) you would have seen that 31 of the 51 councillors had names attributed to immigrants and if you look at each person's profile you would see that they were all Asian.

Now I know that not every Asian is a Muslim and the profiles do not list their religion but I would be very surprised if all 31 were not Muslims.

So to answer your question it is odds on that the Muslims are in the majority.

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simple answer is for everyone to take heir own packed lunch and eat it when they choose to

one less expense to the council tax payer as well , small as it may be

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I think the fast is closed in the morning and opened at night..... dont ask me why tho lol

Lets all educate ourselves...Ramadan, How Muslims fast in Ramadan fasting

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It's the eating that closes at dawn and opens at dusk ;)

Ooer, not sure I like the sound of this bit:

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I have been told that they can't put anything in their mouths during the fast including cigarettes but they do at work!
There are a couple that do mornings and if they break their fast they pay alms instead.

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No they weren’t.

But according to the report:
“All members of Tower Hamlets Council in east London, where 36 per cent of the population follows Islam, were sent an email asking them to abide by the restrictions observed by strict Muslims during the holy month.

They have also been told that the town hall's business agenda will be reduced throughout Ramadan to accommodate Muslims, with only seven committee meetings scheduled and special prayer breaks included in the evening events.”

I take “abide by the restrictions” to mean no eating by anyone until after sunset.

I take “special prayer breaks included in the evening events” to mean that whilst the Muslim councillors break off for a prayer session the rest of the councillors sit around doing nothing.

But the Islamic community don’t have to do anything these days because the PC brigade will do it all for them for fear of what will happen if they don’t.

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Is this for real? Ramadan, you gotta be kidding:eek: When is it? And who really gives a flying you-know-what? What kind of fast is it when you only fast for part of the day, and then pig out (oops, sorry about the Canadian slang) for the rest of the 24 hours?

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Do you know how ignorant that reads Eric? You really surprise me. Seriously.

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The Muslims i know dont expect others to fast when they do, they are doing it for a reason! they do ask that you dont eat around them (tbh thats common sense anyway)

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Well in our church we only fast for part of one day once a month so that's even less! :D

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i picked up a list of do's and do nots that was left behind by the night shift where i once worked which was a %100 muslim shift

it said that they were not to even take ventolin or it would break the fast

this was over 10 years ago but personaly i think the person who made the list was either having a joke or didnt like his asthmatic relative

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the rules say no medicine/iv/injections of nutritional value

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Ok. In a less ignorant and more politically correct form: The only other religious groups that I can see as agressively intrusive and subversive of long established democratic, and tolerant traditions are the right-wing born again christian, white-supremacist assholes who infect the American political system, and, indeed, infect the present administration. How's, that; the words are bigger, but the meaning is approximate.

I live in a country with as large an ethnic and religious diversity as yours; but we don't have this crap .... and I doubt very much whether we would put up with it. The only religious event that I am positively aware of is Christmas, and that is probably because it comes on the same day every year .... and I don't care too much about that, apart from the turkey. Other's believe differently, and that's fine by me. If I want to know about others' beliefs, I will take the effort to find out. I don't want them shoved in my face.

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“I'm just wondering if the Muslims are a minority or a majority on that council.” Doesn’t sound very rhetorical to me even with the smileys.

In the letter to members, John Williams, the council's head of democratic services, said: “It is requested that members do not partake of any refreshments until after the Iftar refreshments are served.”

John Williams isn’t even a councillor and a search of the Tower Hamlets web site doesn’t reveal a department of Democratic Services. Now I wonder where he got the idea from to send such an email? From the council leader - Councillor Lutfur Rahman perhaps? Surely it is more normal for the councillors to debate a change to meetings procedures? But to do that would show the Muslim hand a bit, so do it in a roundabout way.

Muslims will fit in when they are in the minority and bide their time until they get in the majority, then the rest will have to fit in with them. That’s how you take over by stealth.

Of all the suicide bombings in the world the vastly greater majority have been perpetrated in the name of Islam. Now the threat of such action sends the powers that be into a tizzy so they bend over backwards so as not to offend them just in case.

If a Muslim community does not get what it wants then they might resort to suicide bombings, so we had better back down seems to be the thinking of the PC brigade. The 7/7 bombings in London have had a far greater effect than most people seem to realise. It has some people walking on egg shells.

This whole sorry episode has been carefully orchestrated to introduce Islamic ways into council meetings and been made to look like it was not the Muslim councillors doing it.

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Interesting web site.

“lying and cheating” – well that should ensure honest debate and honest council voting. Hmmm! I know reduce the number of meetings during Ramadan then they don’t have to stay honest too often.

“promoting Un-Islamic ideologies such as democracy and socialism.” – As it is Socialism that organised various benefits they will return them during Ramadan, won't they?

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No its not. It is imposing their views on others.

If a Muslim came into my flat during Ramadan and I was eating or having a fag there is no way that I would pander to his whim. It is MY FLAT and if he wants to stay in it he has to abide by my ways. If I were smoking I would open a window if it wasn’t already open, but that has nothing to do with Ramadan, just me recognising that I won’t impose my vile habit on someone else.

This is my (our) country, we are in the greater majority and they are permanent visitors to it so it is up to them to integrate with us and not the other way around. This is not negotiable.

I spent nearly two years at HMS Jufair in Bahrain, a Muslim country, and experienced two periods of Ramadan. During that time we were warned that if we went into the nearest town to do some shopping, not to take any sweets, crisps etc with us, no chewing gum and no smoking in the street or even in taxis or even in our own car. Shops that normally offered tea, coffee or an ice cold drink to their customers as they shopped, stopped doing so. All cafes and restaurants closed during the day. HMS Jufair and the RAF club were exempt from these restrictions because the Sheik decreed that they were foreign soil.

We abided by their rules so I expect them to abide by ours.

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I'm just waiting for the classic, "I'm not a racist but..." line. My eyes have really been opened by this thread.

I'll stick to the Stanley section from now on.

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If you have a health problem, are on your period, pregnant or breast feeding you dont have to fast...... you would usually do something else, ive seen somewhere that you help the poor instead.

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Don't blame you. It's been clear for a while.

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excuse me? Would you mind not including everyone in that comment?

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I agree with Willow when she said that the press have made this look worse than it is.

I does annoy me when I read these stories....they're a load of old bunkum and I don't know who makes them up but they only serve to make people racist when they were never racist before. :(

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Just wondering, why if your on your monthlys are you excluded??

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well things must be changing, i worked fer 23 years with a large muslim workforce n never once during ramadan did they ask or demand me or anyone NOT to eat when they couldn't, in fact many joked about stuffing themselves at the appointed time, which varies daily. its utter nonsense to say its common sense fer others not to eat in my opinion.:( its thinking like that, that creates problems to me.

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Errrr.... ok then. Because I did... ? :confused:

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if non muslims ate food that was supposed to be left then I then it should be complained about - just flippin greedy if you ask me !!

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i didnt mean common sense, i meant polite.

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agree, but that aint the issue.

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yer living in cloud cuckoo land on this ema, you think that christian (name only) people working from 6-00 at morning are impolite to eat there dinner at 12-00 cos its ramadan n the muslims are fasting?:confused: sorry but yer way out on this to me, the muslims i worked with n there were many, would NEVER expect that.:(

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nooo....... im not saying that non muslims shouldnt eat i am saying that they dont have to eat right in front of hungry people!

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and i'm saying Rubbish if ya got 12 men in a cabin n its dinner time after 6-00 hrs work, the 2 english men eat their dinner n the muslims DO NOT object, that happened fer 23 years. i cannot reason how you are that naive.

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If they choose to fast fine but i will not go out of my way not to eat in front of them.
If i am in the staff room at work eating on my break and they come in then i will not stop,if they have a problem they can leave.
Sorry if tha sounds harsh but thats the way i feel about it.

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The problem is Cashy that with this story that is EXACTLY the issue. It has been twisted to give it a racist bias when the original problem they were trying to solve was that the non-Muslims were scoffing all the nosh and not leaving the Iftar packs for the Muslims to break their fast with when the time came. Now if I'm fasting I don't care one jot if anyone else is eating. My late husband used to not fast because he was diabetic. Him eating didn't bother me at all but I would have been highly dischuffed if he'd eaten his dinner and mine. I would probably have said something along the lines of "If you can't keep your greedy mits off my share then wait for your own until I'm ready too!" which is basically what has happened here only they've tried to do it more politely.

I'm saddened to see that the racist comments by some of the posters in this thread have deterred others from chatting here. We are not all alike and some of us detest racism just as much as you do Tin Monkey. The only way to keep a balance is for the non-racists like you to join in and to make their views know, not to run away and leave the impression that AccyWeb is a racist site. :(

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It does help the debate if you write what you mean.

I, at least, am not a mind reader.

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This issue isn’t just about no food being left that people seem to be concentrating on. The food issue is being used to effectively call the non Muslims greedy in scoffing all the food. That issue is easily resolved but it wouldn’t give the Muslim councillors any leverage if the food weren’t even put out until the Muslim councillors are eligible to eat it.

The major issue is that the number of council meetings have been reduced during Ramadan and breaks for prayers arranged during the remaining meetings. In other words the normal running of council business has been skewed to favour one particular religion. That is WRONG and it is not being racist to say so.

Council meetings today, the running of the Town Hall tomorrow???

People should wake up to the fact that slowly and surreptitiously the Islamic way is being foisted onto the incumbent residents of this land and amazingly some people are defending them.

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The real issue here is not should non muslims be eating in front of thos that are fasting

The real issue here is why are the council tax payers providing councillors with their food. Let them all, regardless of their religion, bring their own and let us spend the money on esential services.

As someone who is vegetarian. Ceoliac (cant spell) and allergic to numerous other foods I regularly have to do without food in public meetings. It does not bother me as I have my mind made up not to eat as I know it will make me ill. I am sure that Muslims feel the same during Ramadan, if you have decided not to eat then your brain takes over from the hunger.

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Who in this post is talking about racism:confused: This is about religion, sociology, and politics. In particular, a particularly virulent, humorless, radical, and subversive form of religion that seeks to insinuate itself into a nation's social and political life ... and, to refer to my own post, this is true of certain forms of Islam and fundamentalist Christianity. Both are ultra-conservative; and both are dangerous if they achieve too much influence in any society.

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What was that story a few months ago about a muslim working in a supermarket and refused to sell bacon so had to raise their hand till an english worker came to serve it, but if thats the case they will not be wanting to serve bacon, alcohol, deodrants etc

its about time this country picks up its pride thats been dragging on the floor for years

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Sometimes I think I live in a different world to a lot of people on here, because I see no signs of Muslims wanting to "take over" or impose their views on the rest of us in my everyday life. How come the Muslim bloke who works in the next office will fast for Ramadam totally unconcerned about the rest of us chomping away on our lunchtime snacks (and will in fact make jokes about it, despite being part of a "humourless religion")? How come the Muslim girl in the local shop will serve me with my pork pie and cans of Guinness with her usual friendly smile? How come the Muslim family who live a few doors down will send us a Christmas card in a few months time?

Still, what do I know? If the newspapers say Muslims are making special demands, it must be true! :rolleyes:

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well said wyn, virtually what i was saying earlier in the thread, n we also got xmas cards off the family 2 doors away, though they moved in jan this year.;)

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In day to day life I see much the same as you, no “takeover bids” no imposing of will.

I have seen the “racist card” played by a few in the work place by the more unscrupulous when thing did not go their way ( taking their turn on a bad job ), seen it more than once so assume it happens fairly frequently. The “sexist card “ came out a few times too, when a particular lesbian didn’t get her own way. Very tacky and undermines the real issues some people have. Seems to be a growing thing, just like the compensation culture.

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Jim...you are leading yourself down the path of racial discrimination....don't do it.

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must just be me then...... if my friends arent eating then neither am i, while i am with them, doesnt mean i wont go for my dinner at dinner time.

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agree,its just a pity some can't or wont distinguish between the few n the majority.;)

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hi i am rob

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lol, random post of the week !

we have a place to introduce yourself..Introduce Yourself - Accrington Web

welcome to accyweb :D:D:D:D

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Kiss my arse!!!:mad:

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Who...Jatsay or the Councillors of Tower Hamlets?

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After reading the thread in full both of them (Jaysay for dangling the worm and for the LFC comment the other day);) and the PC members of accyweb who will be the death of our country and then say it's not my fault.:mad:

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Jambutty said that 'Blackburn has 17 councillors out of 69 councillors with immigrant sounding names'

I thought it would be interesting to apply his skewed logic to our own council, here in Hyndburn.

It appears we have at least two councillors with 'immigrant sounding names'.

Both Cllr. Jones, and Cllr. Roberts, sound suspiciously Welsh, and if the logic was to be stretched even further I might suggest that the two councillors were practicing Methodists, who were using their political power to force their religion on the unsuspecting public.

:rolleyes::D

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What a load of nonsense. At school/college anybody fasting would do just that, they didn't need hand holding by the rest of the people who weren't fasting.

Perhaps the fasting councillors should just have a word with the non-fasting ones to tell them to not eat their food. It sounds like a school playground, not a group of people supposed to be running the borough services at the taxpayers expense.

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one of the few things we completely agree on cyfr.:);)

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And you won’t see Mr and Mrs Average Muslim wanting to “take over” because that wouldn’t be very surreptitious. That is the whole point of being surreptitious, no one notices until it is too late.

Hitler’s mob didn’t take over Germany in one day. It took them years where bit by bit they weedled themselves into positions of authority until they were strong enough to take over. Did the fifth columnists in Europe during the last war announce to the Germans that they would throw them out of the country? No! They went about their normal daily lives, smiled sweetly as they served the Germans in the shops and cafes until the call came to take positive action.

The Muslim community do not need to make special demands. They have got the PC brigade running so scared that the PC lot are doing it for them.

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So every Muslim I come into contact with (including the Muslim members of this site) is part of a large-scale conspiracy to take over this country? Oh well, that's your point of view and you're entitled to it...personally, I don't buy it...and I certainly wouldn't class myself as a PC merchant!

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Come on Wynonie Harris you know I didn’t say that.

If left to their own devices 99% of Muslims would just live out their lives in harmony with the rest of us.

It is the minority of hard liners who are pushing for an Islamic state in every country that they emigrate to. But these hard liners know, that as the 99% are DEVOUT Muslims, when push comes to shove they will fall into line. Of course there will always be exceptions but they will be few and far between and are prepared to be ostracised.

For hundreds of years the Vatican kept the followers of the Roman Catholic faith in a grip of iron until Henry VIII broke the shackles. Even thereafter the Vatican controlled the lives of millions of people around the world and still does so right to this day – not in the western world so much but in Africa and S America.

In his “Rivers Of Blood” speech back in April 1968 Enoch Powell stated, “In fifteen or twenty years, on present trends, there will be 3,500,000 Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants”. He went on to say “Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by different sections of the immigrant and immigrant descended population”.

I understand that there are barely 2 million Muslims in the UK today. 30 years ago there were nary a one. Are parts of towns across England occupied by different sections of the immigrant and immigrant descended population? You have to admit that there are. The only wrong part of that prediction is the time scale and probably the number. It has taken 30 odd years not 15 to 20.

Read his speech at http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/powell_press.htm

At the time Enoch Powell was branded a racist and lost his place on the Shadow Cabinet but subsequent events have proved him right.