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MissTechnophobe 08-09-2008 09:06

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Personally I don't like this shop and never have. Purely for the fact that the jumpers they have in are a different shade to the jumpers I get from school.

Surely they could just sell the smoking items under the counter and then everybody would be happy?? At least that way they wouldn't be on display to offend anyone and of course I wouldn't want my daughter to see them, but to be honest she wouldn't know what they are anyway. Secondly if anyone wanted these items they could just ask at the counter.

It does seem an odd thing to be selling though at what I believe is primarily a School shop.

Imagine walking into the school office and finding them on display

WillowTheWhisp 08-09-2008 13:25

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 628545)
I mentioned this earlier - can you young uns not do embroidery? - is that yet another lost craft which we oldies know how to do?


It doesn't matter whether they can do embroidery or not, if they tried to embroider the logo it could not be done with the same appearance as the machine embroidered logo and would not meet with school approval.

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Originally Posted by MissTechnophobe (Post 628556)
Personally I don't like this shop and never have. Purely for the fact that the jumpers they have in are a different shade to the jumpers I get from school.

Surely they could just sell the smoking items under the counter and then everybody would be happy?? At least that way they wouldn't be on display to offend anyone and of course I wouldn't want my daughter to see them, but to be honest she wouldn't know what they are anyway. Secondly if anyone wanted these items they could just ask at the counter.

It does seem an odd thing to be selling though at what I believe is primarily a School shop.

Imagine walking into the school office and finding them on display

The jumpers I have bought are exactly the same shade as the ones I've bought from the school. I will never buy from school again after we were conned into paying more and the surplus put into school funds. I would not have objected to donating to school funds but I didn't like the underhand way it was done.

The jumpers they currently have in stock for Accrington Academy (ex Moorheaad) come from 2 suppliers. One is the exact same supplier the school obtain theirs from. In other words there cannot be a difference. The shop does not make the garments they purchase them from suppliers. They have exactly the same manufacturer's label in. They are made by the same people and obtained from the same source. They also do them from another well known school wear manufacturer (Trutex) which is a better quality than the one I got from the school. They are not stocking inferior quality garments in my experience.


The smoking items are no longer on sale so I don't know why this discussion is continuing. They were never selling drugs or bongs. The items they did sell were perfectly legal. The shop sells adult clothing and accessories as well as school uniforms. The school uniforms are only part of their stock. If a customer had approached Mr. Vij and told him they objected to the ashtrays and cigarette lighters he would ahve removed them then. He was unaware that anyone was offended by them until I told him about this thread.

Despite the fact that the same items continue to be sold in several shops in town, including alongside sweets in a shop where children go with their own spending money, this is the only shop which seems to have been targetted for complaint both by AccyWebbers and by the local press. Article in today's Telegraph although conceding that the stuff is no longer even there continues to refer to it as "drug related items" which is grossly unfair.

He isn't selling them at all now, on top of or under the counter. People will have to go on the market or to Popundland or to the Glory Hole in future. On the market they will also find bongs which have never been on sale in the Abbey Street shop.

Nickelson 08-09-2008 15:49

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 628637)



The jumpers I have bought are exactly the same shade as the ones I've bought from the school. I will never buy from school again after we were conned into paying more and the surplus put into school funds. I would not have objected to donating to school funds but I didn't like the underhand way it was done.

The jumpers they currently have in stock for Accrington Academy (ex Moorheaad) come from 2 suppliers. One is the exact same supplier the school obtain theirs from. In other words there cannot be a difference. The shop does not make the garments they purchase them from suppliers. They have exactly the same manufacturer's label in. They are made by the same people and obtained from the same source. They also do them from another well known school wear manufacturer (Trutex) which is a better quality than the one I got from the school. They are not stocking inferior quality garments in my experience.

Sorry but last year when i was in year 11, the jumpers ended up pink after 1 month. Not just mine but everyone who bought them from Abbey St. Also the badge is in a different position (blue and red).

Lilly 08-09-2008 15:52

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 628519)
The parents know the rules so it is there fault if their child is sent home.

This reminds me of the thread about the parents who sent their child to school with a can of shandy. It's the same old thing again.

I can never understand why parents send their child to a school and then start cribbing about the rules.....if you don't approve of a school's rules then send your child to another school.

MissTechnophobe 08-09-2008 16:07

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 628637)
It doesn't matter whether they can do embroidery or not, if they tried to embroider the logo it could not be done with the same appearance as the machine embroidered logo and would not meet with school approval.



The jumpers I have bought are exactly the same shade as the ones I've bought from the school. I will never buy from school again after we were conned into paying more and the surplus put into school funds. I would not have objected to donating to school funds but I didn't like the underhand way it was done.

The jumpers they currently have in stock for Accrington Academy (ex Moorheaad) come from 2 suppliers. One is the exact same supplier the school obtain theirs from. In other words there cannot be a difference. The shop does not make the garments they purchase them from suppliers. They have exactly the same manufacturer's label in. They are made by the same people and obtained from the same source. They also do them from another well known school wear manufacturer (Trutex) which is a better quality than the one I got from the school. They are not stocking inferior quality garments in my experience.

The smoking items are no longer on sale so I don't know why this discussion is continuing. They were never selling drugs or bongs. The items they did sell were perfectly legal. The shop sells adult clothing and accessories as well as school uniforms. The school uniforms are only part of their stock. If a customer had approached Mr. Vij and told him they objected to the ashtrays and cigarette lighters he would ahve removed them then. He was unaware that anyone was offended by them until I told him about this thread.

Despite the fact that the same items continue to be sold in several shops in town, including alongside sweets in a shop where children go with their own spending money, this is the only shop which seems to have been targetted for complaint both by AccyWebbers and by the local press. Article in today's Telegraph although conceding that the stuff is no longer even there continues to refer to it as "drug related items" which is grossly unfair.

He isn't selling them at all now, on top of or under the counter. People will have to go on the market or to Popundland or to the Glory Hole in future. On the market they will also find bongs which have never been on sale in the Abbey Street shop.

I went in last week to get my daughter two new school jumpers and they ARE a different colour to the School ones. The ones in the shop are a lot lighter than the ones I buy from the School which I prefer.

They are also cheaper to buy at School and of better quality. I know of other people who have bought their jumpers from there and have faded badly in the wash, the School's jumpers never have.

As for the smoking items, I never mentioned they were selling drugs or bongs. I just wanted to have my say, everyone else has so can I not?? Neither did I say they were illegal. If you look I actually said if they sold them under the counter I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I do agree that this shop has been penalised when other shops are selling likewise items. I've walked through the market before now and seen these items readily for sale, which is strange consdering that drugs are illegal but the items used to smoke drugs or whatever you do with "bongs" and the like are not, doesn't make sense to me.

WillowTheWhisp 08-09-2008 17:13

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So the complaint is with the manufacturer of the garments in that case. Have you complained to the shop and told them that the colour fades? That is what I would do. Then they could look for a better supplier. How are they supposed to know there's a problem if no-one complains? I used to buy Springhill ones, which are burgundy and they never faded. I did notice some people at Springhill had very faded ones though. I have no idea where they bought them or why theirs faded and mine didn't. I've bought Moorhead ones in recent years and not had a problem with those either. What colour were the ones that faded and who made them?

MargaretR 08-09-2008 17:18

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Any coloured garment will fade if you wash it using powder designed for whites.
I suspect that is why some people get fading and others don't.

Neil 08-09-2008 17:31

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 628705)
So the complaint is with the manufacturer of the garments in that case.

No it is with the shop. If you buy faulty goods it is the point of sale that is at fault. The shop will of course blame the manufacturer but your consumer rights are with the shop.

steeljack 08-09-2008 17:35

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 628707)
Any coloured garment will fade if you wash it using powder designed for whites.
I suspect that is why some people get fading and others don't.

Wondered how long before some common sense kicked in ;) :D :D

Nickelson 08-09-2008 18:01

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So everyone who shopped at Abbey St. for there Year 11 uniforms form Moorhead has no common sense ? :confused:

Strange when school advised everyone in an assembly about the problem before year 11. Oh and the prices were the same so its not money grabbing.

MargaretR 08-09-2008 18:04

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Originally Posted by Nickelson (Post 628732)
So everyone who shopped at Abbey St. for there Year 11 uniforms form Moorhead has no common sense ? :confused:

Strange when school advised everyone in an assembly about the problem before year 11. Oh and the prices were the same so its not money grabbing.

Jack and I were referring to washing powders - too many people are 'laundry careless' and then wonder why their clothes don't last

Lilly 08-09-2008 19:57

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 628736)
Jack and I were referring to washing powders - too many people are 'laundry careless' and then wonder why their clothes don't last

That's true, Margaret.

There are a lot of 'white' shirts being worn that look grey to me....that'll be due to shoddy washing.

WillowTheWhisp 08-09-2008 21:43

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Maybe people put bleach in with things and that's why they go pale. Some washing powders contain bleach I believe. I use a Melaleuca liquid and never have any problems.

WillowTheWhisp 08-09-2008 21:47

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 628711)
No it is with the shop. If you buy faulty goods it is the point of sale that is at fault. The shop will of course blame the manufacturer but your consumer rights are with the shop.

Yes I realise that but what I was trying to point out is that the shop doesn't manufacture the garments so what I'm saying is that if you think they are inferior then it's the manufacturer you are accusing of producing inferior goods, which doesn't actually make sense if they purchase from the same manufacturer that the schools purchase from. (Which they do.) In other words how can they be shoddy and the school supply not be shoddy if they are the same thing?

eattothebeat 09-09-2008 07:59

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I am amazed at the reaction this post has had. I am very glad these items are no longer for sale. I know these items are available in other places and I know they are legal to be sold. what I didn't like was the combination. And yes they did have pipes when I was there. No matter what excuses they have as to legal uses, I bet 90% of these items are used to consume cannabis, by kids. If the people that sell them feel better by telling themselves they are only used for tobacco then they obviously have no morals. I will continue shopping there now that these items have been removed, and I will also apologize to the owner for making it public instead of just saying something to him, but at the time I just wanted other opinions. I did not go to the telegraph and did not wish for this to be made into a big thing like it was by the paper.

Neil 09-09-2008 08:06

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 628880)
Yes I realise that but what I was trying to point out is that the shop doesn't manufacture the garments so what I'm saying is that if you think they are inferior then it's the manufacturer you are accusing of producing inferior goods, which doesn't actually make sense if they purchase from the same manufacturer that the schools purchase from. (Which they do.) In other words how can they be shoddy and the school supply not be shoddy if they are the same thing?

They may have been a bad batch

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 09:11

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 628957)
They may have been a bad batch

That's possible. If I get something that doesn't come up to scratch I go back to the place where I bought it and point out the problem so they can take it up with the supplier. I did that with a clock once! :D It's usually the best course of action.

Mind you, we tried to do that with Tesco about the exploding cola cans but we didn't get very far with them. I think it depends if you are dealing with a private shop where the owner is the one who serves you, or a faceless national/international company where you only speak to one of the employees.




On the subject of pipes, bongs, ashtrays and lighters. I wonder if the LT is going to take up the crusade against any of the other shops in town which sell them, or any goods with the cannabis leaf logo. My granddad smoked a pipe but I don't think anyone had even heard of drugs in those days.

emamum 09-09-2008 09:14

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willow.....exploding cola cans????????

EDIT:i found the thread http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ing-22671.html

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 09:20

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Originally Posted by eattothebeat (Post 628954)
I am amazed at the reaction this post has had. I am very glad these items are no longer for sale. I know these items are available in other places and I know they are legal to be sold. what I didn't like was the combination. And yes they did have pipes when I was there. No matter what excuses they have as to legal uses, I bet 90% of these items are used to consume cannabis, by kids. If the people that sell them feel better by telling themselves they are only used for tobacco then they obviously have no morals. I will continue shopping there now that these items have been removed, and I will also apologize to the owner for making it public instead of just saying something to him, but at the time I just wanted other opinions. I did not go to the telegraph and did not wish for this to be made into a big thing like it was by the paper.

Thank you for coming back to the thread. May I ask how you feel about the combination where these items are sold in a pound shop next to the sweets which the kids go in to buy by themselves with their pocket money?

The Vij brothers have said that they had those items by the counter and they were noted that they would not be sold to anyone under 18 (or is it 16?) whatever the age it is for legally buying tobacco related products.


I do not think you have the right to declare that 'they obviously have no morals' - if that were the case they would have defiantly kept the items on sale and told you to mind your own business. As it is as soon as they were made aware that someone had made the drugs connection they removed the items from sale.

That is good that you are going to apologise to the owner for making it public rather than talking to him about your concerns. Are you also going to apologise to the owners for stating here today that by telling themselves their perfectly legal items are only used for tobacco that they 'obviously
have no morals'? You may be stepping onto the thin ice of libel there.

Neil 09-09-2008 09:33

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 628977)
On the subject of pipes, bongs, ashtrays and lighters. I wonder if the LT is going to take up the crusade against any of the other shops in town which sell them, or any goods with the cannabis leaf logo.

I am surprised you have not contacted them yet to point out the other shops selling such things. They might be interested in the sex toys next to sweets mention on here as well.

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 628977)
My granddad smoked a pipe but I don't think anyone had even heard of drugs in those days.

People have been taking drugs well before your granddad.

See this site, even Queen Victoria enjoyed the 'royal weed'

emamum 09-09-2008 09:35

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 628985)
People have been taking drugs well before your granddad.

lol sounds like you are accuising Willows grandad of taking drugs

Neil 09-09-2008 09:40

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lol sounds like you are accuising Willows grandad of taking drugs

Only if his name was Dylan :D

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WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 09:52

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Oh yes the old opium dens and what have you. Weren't some drugs once legal which are now illegal? Maybe there were more drugs around than I thought but I don't think smoking equipment would have automatically been associated with drug taking in people's minds in those days. My granddad used to buy tobacco in solid lumps which he had to fiddle about with and 'strand' before it was smokable. He had some stuff which was perfumed too. Holland House it was called. Got it from Woods which used to be at the top of Union Street.

Nori Brick 09-09-2008 12:05

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you guys are cracking me up now, The bongs,pipes an stuff they sell can't be used for the perpose of drugs ass they not made srong enouth to with stand the heat of the lighter. they just for show.

MargaretR 09-09-2008 12:58

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The bongs,pipes an stuff they sell can't be used for the perpose of drugs ass they not made srong enouth to with stand the heat of the lighter.


I know someone who smokes a Shisha pipe at home.
It isn't just the arab cultures who practice Shisha.
He uses scented tobacco which is legal

Nori Brick 09-09-2008 13:07

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yeah but the socalled drug making stuff they sell at abby street are for the soil porpose of show.

archiveuk 09-09-2008 13:13

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Get over it.... Move on.,

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 16:05

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 629040)
The bongs,pipes an stuff they sell can't be used for the perpose of drugs ass they not made srong enouth to with stand the heat of the lighter.


I know someone who smokes a Shisha pipe at home.
It isn't just the arab cultures who practice Shisha.
He uses scented tobacco which is legal

I know someone whose family used to own a shisha cafe in Blackburn. It used to be perfectly legal until these new rules about smoking in public places. Now I think he's closed down because of that. But a shisha cafe is a smoking cafe not an eating cafe!

andrewb 12-09-2008 10:57

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 629123)
I know someone whose family used to own a shisha cafe in Blackburn. It used to be perfectly legal until these new rules about smoking in public places. Now I think he's closed down because of that. But a shisha cafe is a smoking cafe not an eating cafe!

I too knew somebody whos family owned a shisha cafe (perhaps the same one? across from the postal order and down the road a bit.)

Last I heard it was going to be shut down which seemed silly because the whole point of going there was to inhale flavoured smoke.

WillowTheWhisp 12-09-2008 11:34

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Yes that's the one. The whole point of a shisha cafe is to go there to smoke! It's madness. Like saying you can't drink alcohol in a pub.


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