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Abbey Street uniform shop - drug using equipment?
My child starts school this time and I was appalled on Saturday when I went to the school uniform shop on Abbey Street and saw that they sold drug grinding machines, pipes and many different decorated lighters, some with cannabis leaves on them.
This is the shop that all the schools around here recommend to go to. I know that any shop can sell anything they like but this is not a good combination. I don't want my 4 year old to ask what these things are. I also think they are only there to sell to children, teenagers have to go there to get uniforms and will see them. Why on earth else would a clothes shop sell these things? Should I have said something to the staff? Did you know these things where on sale at this shop? Should our local schools be recomending this shop? |
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I doubt mentioning it to staff would make any difference , i have`nt been in as we get our uniforms straight from school so i did`nt know this type of thing was available in there, i think its disgusting , i wonder if the local papers are aware of this......?
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That's an interesting point. I'm a bit of an ignoramus when it comes to drugs I must admit and have never noticed although I've bought school uniform there for years. Perhaps if all the schools made a point of mentioning that they will no longer approve selling of the uniforms if they continue to stock those items. I'm not sure the schools actually have any say who stocks their stuff though. I know Accrington Academy (ex Moorhead) would like people to buy all the uniform through them but last time I did that I ended up paying a lot more and felt a bit conned.
Are those things purely for drug use? I know there's a stall on Morecambe market which sells tobacco tins and hubble bubble pipes and cigarette papers but they do also say that they do not encourage people to use them for smoking illicit drugs. It may be a bit of a grey area as tobacco smoking products re perfectly legal and sold in sweet shops where kids go before and after school. |
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Yes, i think this is disgusting and should not be allowed at all, cigarettes sold in newsagents has been going on forever but `smoking` gear for sale along side school uniforms for all ages is just not on.....i`ll nip and have a look this afternoon.:mad: |
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Reece noticed these pipples and asked me what they where for, they are on the counter as you go to pay
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yes willow, they are canabis grinders, usually used for grinding 'skunk' |
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What's a pipple?
They sell those hubble bubble pipes in Tunisia with flavoured and fragranced tobacco, no drugs, stuff tasting of strawberries and what have you. |
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lol i call pipinfort pipple lol sorry willow, you have me in stitches now hehee |
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Please don`t try to grind me then smoke me willow.........! |
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i thought a bong was part of school equiptment these days
joking aside no they shouldnt display these items near childrens items , mind you one of the pound shops put their ann summers kinky cuffs and plastic willies next to the kids toys so nowt surprises me |
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Just accross the road at the ratepayers funded "Information Centre" you can get clean syringes for free !!! And help with claiming your rightful benefits.
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Was in there yesterday but didn't notice them. Think there should be a complaint made!!!
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thats nothing, when i went to ibiza this year i was gobsmack when this souvenir shop had dildos and porn films and other dirty stuff next to kids toys and clothing for kids
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I didn't know about this as we buy our school uniform direct from the school.
Drug paraphernalia and school uniforms.....not a good combination in my view. :( |
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considering that the government was planning on taking ciggarettes off display , that is wasful- especially as you get uniforms from there - have you let the school know too?
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i think there should be a complaint made to the schools who have their uniforms sold there.why do they have a monoply of certain schools uniforms there anyway is this not against european monopoly commission.
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I think this could well be a story for the Observer..........
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also i think greg pope should be informed as he is only a couple of hundred yards down the road ,might pop in the shop tomorrow to investigate...if its there its straight up to school on thursday and ask them to explain...
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There are full page adverts in national magazines advertising cannabis seeds for sale, there is a stall in accy market that has been selling bongs for ages... yes this is slightly different as the place is endorsed by schools however all these other places are all open to children as well.
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It is a question of morals and good taste isnt it, the owners of this shop obviously dont have much of either! Markets have stallholders removed all the time for dodgy dealing and the like, and we expect that, I wouldnt expect to find this sort of stuff for sale in a shop that dedicates much of its space to school uniforms, and wont be buying from there!
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What is THC?
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Its the chemical in the cannibis plant that produces the 'altered states of consciousness' its called ‘delta-9 tetragydrocannabinol’ or ‘THC’. |
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Your children go in newsagents - think what is on the top shelf there:eek:
This shop isn't selling anything illegal - perhaps it is better that your children know about such things, so that you can warn them to avoid them. |
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I really must pop down there and have a look what all the fuss is about.
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There are addictive substances available without prescription in chemists and supermarkets.
Benylin cough syrup is an example. http://www.jabfm.org/cgi/content/full/19/3/320 Also what about glue? - that is deadly and appears to have faded from headlines lately. |
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theres a few addictive substances on sale glue as you say being one, glue though aint n illegal substance, theres only one real use for these implements n it aint fer putting glue in.;)
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Shisha pipes are for flavoured tobacco - if some people use them for smoking other things that is their choice.
If you take this argument to extremes you would avoid all shops selling Rizla papers |
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It is the petrochemical additions in products which I devoutly avoid. I am no angel - though my list of vices is now limited by age.;) |
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I have always admired the ecologically friendly way of life of the North American Native Peoples:) |
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Right. I have been to the Abbey Street shop and spoken to one of the owners. He was a bit surprised at the idea of anything on sale in his shop being any more connected to drug abuse than anything on sale anywhere else in Accrington. He asked me to show him what was being referred to.
I must admit I had to have a good look before I actually found the items but then again Mick will tell you how observant I'm not. So I pointed out the cigarette papers and lighters and quite rightly he said there is nothing wrong with selling those. They are perfectly legal, I did mention that some of the lighters have a cannabis leaf image on them. I also pointed out 2 or 3 "rasta" ashtrays which have a smoking man and the odd cannabis leaf decoration implying that the man is smoking cannabis. He pointed out that similar ashtrays have been on sale in the local pound shops. I then pointed to the grinders which have been stated are for grinding up cannabis and he said he cannot control what people grind up in them but they are actually tobacco grinders and some of his customers use them to grind herbs which again is not illegal or drugs. I've got a similar shaped wooden grinder which is actually for chopping/grinding herbs. He was really puzzled that anybody would associate any of these things with drugs as he only associates them with legal tobacco. He asked my advice and I told him about this thread on the website and also suggested he might like to contact the schools and see if they do have any objections to these things being sold in the same store where the uniforms are sold. He also wondered if he should contact the council for advice. He asked me if I knew the person who had made the original complaint on here and I told him that I do not. He would appreciate it if you would call into the shop eattothebeat and talk to him personally about this. |
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Well done Willow. I like it when someone actually finds out what is really going on instead of making assumptions
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Tried giving ya karma Willow, for taking the time to go and find out
Will try again tomorra, apparently I gave too much out recently:D |
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I've given you some - I thought the complaint was a bit OTT as you can tell by my earlier posts here.
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Thank you :)
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So in other words he`s not bothered........? but well done for confronting him........... |
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i dont think i would be going in if i'd started the thread
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Head shop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia usually they cater to college age kids , but it seems this guy if he is also selling school uniforms he is pushing the envelope . Guess its all down to community standards ........do local parents want/care about, their kids being exposed to stuff like this . ;) ;) |
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seems like a strange thing to sell in a clothes shop.
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Its great willow went in and confronted him but he is either very nieve or just stupid, of course he knows what they are for and just because you can get them in pound shops.does that make it ok then.you can buy anything in pound shops so will he start selling tea and sugar as well.......?:confused: If i wanted to grind my home grown herbs abby St shopping centre is the last place i would look to buy a grinder.....I`ll stick with my Jamie Oliver Flavour Shaker thanx.....or does he sell them as well.....?
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Well actually he did seem very bothered. He wanted to be able to speak to the person who had raised the issue so that he could understand their concerns and their objections. I really had to struggle to find something to object to myself. He asked me what I thought he should do and he considered if he should ask the council if he was doing anything wrong. He does have customers who buy those things from him so if he stopped selling them he would lose those customers but I got the impression he would be willing to do that if there was anything unethical or illegal there. Shops where kids buy sweets also sell tobacco and tobacco related items. He doesn't even sell tobacco. He was very concerned that anyone should think he was selling anything illegal. On a different tack I pointed to the keychain 'laser beams' and said if I personally was going to object to anything I would object to those because they are dangerous. He said they are not actually lasers, just torches with a narrow beam of light, not the lasers which people were using and shining at aircraft etc. I queried whether children could still damage each others eyes by shining them at each other and he said he didn't think so but asked if I would like him to stop selling them. If they aren't dangerous then I don't see any reason for him to stop selling them. He did actually say that if people will approach him direct and tell him that there are things they want him to stop selling, and why, then he will take those concerns seriously but so far no-one has ever told him that they object to anything in the shop and this is the first he has heard that anyone had any complaint, second hand, through me, from an anonymous person on a website he has never seen. It seems perfectly reasonable that he would like to hear from people themselves if they have any complaints. He won't eat you. So if any of you want to complain in person, in the shop, he would welcome the opportunity to address your concerns. He didn't even know about them until yesterday. That doesn't mean he doesn't care. I still can't see anything in that shop any worse than things in other shops. I don't see any of it and think "drugs" - I may think "smokers" and I don't smoke and have always discouraged my children from smoking but I can't object to the shop round the corner from me having cigarettes on display can I because they are perfectly legal? Anyway, I really would be interested to know how this works out and if anyone does take it any further. |
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These things are`nt illegal to sell but to sell them alongside school uniforms for primary school kids is just morally wrong, i remember i had to get all my school uniforms from a shop near the market in Blackburn( can`t remember the name or if its still there) it sold the school uniforms along with gentlemans suits and NOT alongside cannabis smoking items ! If you have kids of this impressionable age you cannot fail to see how wrong it is....if you smoke cannabis you may not see it as a problem...if you smoke regular cig`s you may not see a problem...if you are very nieve you may not see a problem...... but as a responsible adult with 2 small children I see a BIG problem especially in the world we live in today. Its just morally wrong.......I`d certainly like the original thread starter to get involve in this debate as i don`t even shop there!!!!
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So if there are people on here who have actually seen these things in the shop and feel strongly that they should not be there will you please go and speak to the man himself and tell him so.
It may be naive of me not to see cigarette papers, tobacco grinders, lighters and ashtrays as a problem but my kids have always gone into shops which sell kids comics, crisps sweets alongside smoking equipment and they have never been tempted to want to smoke. I'm just failing to see why this particular shop selling school uniforms, which will be bought by the parents not the children themselves, and is not likely to be visited on a weekly or daily basis by children, is somehow worse than those. Please voice your concerns to the shop owner and give him chance to do something. If enough people can show him they are genuinely offended then perhaps he will ralise it is a problem and take you more seriously than simply hearing it via me. |
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I am in 2 minds about this...
If the shop sold tobacco it would make more sense, I dont see why a clothes shop sells them, it seems a bit random. lighters, ashtrays arent anything to get stressed about, if it was pipes and bongs (which i assumed it was from the first post) then thats a lot different. |
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as this thread is now in its 3rd day, it seems a little strange to me,that whoever asked the question when starting it,has not commented further?:confused: now call me a cynical owd get, but....................:rolleyes:
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No pipes, no bongs.
It's mainly a clothes shop but they have one or two small novelty items at the counter too. That's where these bits and bobs are. |
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At the end of the day its all about morales, If a survey was done at the school gates asking the question....Should drug smoking equipment be sold along side school uniforms.? what do you think the majority answer would be......?
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That's a leading question pipinfort. You use the word 'drug' which gives the impression as emamum said of pipes and bongs. If you reword the question to state what actually is there it might be better.
If you feel so strongly about it why not get a petition up and get signatures and then present it to the shop owner? But if you put the words "Drug smoking equipment" he will just respond that he isn't selling drug smoking equipment and nothing else will happen. When I mentioned drugs to him he said he was against drugs and would not promote the use of drugs. To him these items have nothing to do with drugs, just legal tobacco smoking. If you want the ashtrays and lighters and cigarette papers removed then just go down and ask him to do so and tell him you object to them being sold there. He is perfectly approachable. It was the dark haired guy without glasses that I spoke to. It's no use just keep talking about it on here. I went down to the shop. He would welcome anyone else doing the same and expressing their concerns to him and yet everyone else seems reluctant to do so. |
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Ok then let me rephrase that then.......Smoking equipment...although i did not start the thread and its tiltle is Drug using equipment.......!
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Yeah sure.......so should i start a petition about everything i feel strongly about on Accyweb then....? I`m off to school now....i`ll ask around. |
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Yes the thread title uses the word drugs but what I'm saying is that when I went into the shop and spoke to him about the drug using equipment he was being accused of selling he said that all he sells is stuff to do with smoking tobacco and he isn't selling drugs and does not approve of drugs.
Nevertheless if people find what he sells offensive (actually it's 'they' not 'he') then just go along and let them know. Until I spoke to him yesterday he had no idea that anyone found anythng in the shop offensive. The man is not a mind reader. How many people have actually been in and looked at what is for sale? How many have assumed it was pipes and bongs and looked like an opium den? |
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lol willow....... i was in there for tys uniform last week (£20 for a sweater and a shirt!!!) and i didnt notice them.
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I always thought that Tobacco was a drug which was responsible for more deaths than any other drug. But my question is this:- when did smoking accessories become part of school uniform?
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Well, I am assuming that people who object to the things which are being sold would like something to be done, otherwise why bother complaining? Would you like them to stop selling the smoking paraphernalia or would you just like everyone to stop buying school uniforms there? Or do you want the shop to go out of business and close? Personally I wouldn't like to see the shop close. I buy a lot of things there and find it a very handy shop which always has, or can get, whatever I'm in there looking for. I would rather see them stop selling one or two items than see them lose all the school uniforms etc and maybe go to the wall. I have taken the first step by telling the man about this thread on here and then reported back here what his response was to the accusation of those things being related to drug taking. As that does not seem to have helped then perhaps he should consult the council about it which was what he asked me if I thought he ought to do. There must be hundreds of people who buy uniforms from that shop and maybe like me they have never noticed those things or never connected them with drug taking. I would like to see a solution to this problem but not sure if there is anything else I can do. |
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Is the retail establishment in question possibly the same one which recenty had full-masked hoodie tops on display in it's front window?
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I don't know. The only place I've seen those is at 'Reef' in Lancaster and I thought they were very silly. Apparently they are trendy and popular with Chavs.
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They are popular with muggars and drug dealers as well.
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Maybe if they did have them somebody complained and they stopped selling them. I'll have a look next time I'm in town.
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yes they did.........the ones that are gas mask like..
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Out of the seven responsible parents i asked....................errr well seven responsible parents were shocked and found it totally unacceptable but like i said earlier our school is the main supplier of their own uniforms so nobady i asked had been in anyway. Mmmmm masked Hoodies he is a responsible shop owner isn`t he..........
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seems much ado about nothing to me, the butty shop up ossy that was on here is now up fer sale i noticed this week, do parents really want 1 less place to buy uniforms? thats the 10000000 doller question. its quite possible.
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and the luminous net curtain skirts as well...
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i remember wearin luminous leg warmers and clothes when i was little, seems to have made a comeback...
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I, for one parent, do not want one less place to buy uniforms Cashy. I prefer to buy them from this shop than from the school. I sincerely hope the shop doesn't go out of business over this. I'm seriously thinking of asking the council myself - if I had any idea who to speak to. |
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lol this post just dawned on me - :D they don't sell Shisha pipes at the Abbey Street shop Margaret. They DO sell Rizla papers! :D Some people sniff drugs through straws so maybe we should boybott all shops that sell straws? |
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Here is the stores website.
Be it for School Uniforms ect only. Has a Email address.;) [email protected] Abbey Street Shopping Centre - Stockists of Quality Commercial & School Wear |
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is that the opposite of a girlbott willow :confused: |
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oops :D
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They don't all have a cannabis leaf on. Is it just the things with that emblem on you would like them to remove? Some have CND logo and various other things. Would you like them to remove all the smoking related items?
I do wish the people who object to these things had simply voiced their concerns themselves to the actual shop. I can't help wondering how you feel about the Playboy logo which has been so prevalent on children's clothing/stationery/furnishings lately. I find that more disturbing because it's actually directed at children and children are displaying the image themselves. |
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Like i said before if i got up petitions and went into shops and visited places i have disagreed with/about previously on accyweb i`d have no life. I am a strict vegetarian so should i object to asda (for example) selling meat?, should i confront the manager.? should i contact the council?I think not........At the end of the day its about morales and family values both of which i regard as priority, if people find this sort of thing ok, then thats up to them, i personally don`t and thats my opinion (and a few others on Accyweb). Certain people on Accyweb seem to have taken this upon themselves as a mini crusade and perhaps due to their lack of understanding of the common uses for these items feel that its fine....well thats fine by me...:) It has nothing to do with Playboy, Tobacco or should this be sold here and there should `Smoking` items be sold alongside childrens uniforms ..........NO |
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So, it's smoking items of any kind which you object to being sold in the same shop as school uniforms?
Again - why not simply go to the shop and tell them how you feel? From the way the man spoke to me I think he would listen and if you could explain to him why you object then he might happily remove them from sale, after all I don't think they are a substantial part of his stock by any means. That could solve the problem or everyone then. |
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The thing is, as there are people who object to these things then it would be better if they went into the shop to complain as so far the only person actually telling the shop is me, the one who actually hadn't even noticed them let alone seen them as objectionable.
I told him that there were people here on AccyWeb objecting to them but I was a bit third hand and it didn't have the same effect although he did ask me what I thought he should do. I think if the people who actually personally object were to go in and complain then the shop owners might ask what you want him to do and then you could say you would like him to stop selling those things. That's likely to have more effect than just grumbling about it here on AccyWeb. |
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Willow , you are making up more excuses for this guy (the shopkeeper) than the proverbial black man ( insert your own colloquialism) on his way to jail , just because stuff is legal does not make it right , obivously the shop-keeper knows what these things are being used for ( and its not for grinding up nut-meg for custard pies) , I think , if I was a parent I would have concerns about such a person 'measuring-up'/fitting my child for a school uniform is this is an example of his thinking .
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Am i not allowed to express an opinion here anymore..........? and if i do its grumbling is it....?
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He doesn't measure the children. Nobody does as far as I am aware. There are fitting rooms and the children just try things on. My girls have always just picked things off the rails and gone and tried them for size.
I am not making excuses for anyone. I would like to see the issue resolved. I read the thread and as I hadn't seen any drug taking equipment I went down to the shop to look and I told him that people had objected to some of the things he sells and that they said they were used for drug taking. Now I admit that I'm ignorant of what is used for drug taking but I have seen these same things used for other things which are not drug taking and so they would not have occurred to me as drug related paraphernalia. Of course you are allowed to have an opinion Pipinfort. I just wish somebody who has that opinion would actually go and tell the shop owners and ask for the items to be removed from sale if they feel so strongly about it. I support you in that decision. I haven't done it because I didn't draw the same conclusion, but I did tell the guy that others had. |
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and why has he got a monopoly of selling these uniforms.has he got a crb check is there a price cartel here.smells fishy to me..
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So basically as you`ve said in the last god knows how many posts of yours you won`t be happy until i have confronted the owner.......? correct?
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He`s selling `smoking ` related items (notice how i`m choosing my words carefully for the nieve folk amongst us) i really don`t think that there is any mafia connections........... |
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as i remarked earlier,i find it very odd that the thread starter has not contributed more to this debate.:confused:
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Quite true Cashy, i`m fending off the flack for them.........:D Only 4 posts in as many years...odd |
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Do you need a crb check to sell school uniforms? I wasn't aware of that. |
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I suppose he could join Accyweb and post in this thread. I suppose I could go in the shop again and tell them that I posted to say that it's only ordinary smoking stuff but that people are still objecting and would like him to stop selling them. Shall I do that? I don't see the point of a complaining thread if nothing is done to get something done about it when something could be done. That's why I went to the shop in the first place. |
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