Originally Posted by Eric (Post 662488)

Going out on a limb here, I think that the only person ever to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes:theband:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 662496)

And even he failed:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 662521)

Only because technology had not caught up with his ideas .... much more difficult getting barrels of gunpowder into the basement, than smuggling in a few pounds of plastic ...... ;)

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 662378)

Churchill was nothing more than an opportunist who changed allegiances with the wind .
Funny how few of the biographies of the "great man" mention his role as Colonial Secretary and his allowing Bomber Harris and the RAF to use poison gas against the Iraqi Kurds during the 20s (Seem to remember another chap got hung a couple of years ago for doing the same).
If anyone is to blame for the debacle in modern day Iraq it can be layed fairly and squarely at Churchills feet , it was his decision to create an artifical country out of three distinct and separate Turkish villyats, divided by race and religon. It was his decision to place one of the foriegn Hassemite princes on the Iraqi throne ,which led to the creation of Baath party and ultimatly Saddam Hussien .

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 662399)

Coming from you Gordie, would have expected Enoch Powell to be one of your heros:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 662729)

Ya Eric but they didn't have anti-terror police lurking all around to arrest Government decenters either:D

Originally Posted by Gayle

If that's the case then i think that elected members in opposition have to remember that if they want to win then they need to win over anyone who is likely to switch allegiance.

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 662484)

We usually vote to bring into power someone whose ideas we believe in, or to keep out someone whose ideas we dont. But lets face it whichever way we vote, if we are totally honest, in the long run dont we always end up dissapointed. I think most people enter politics with honourable ideas and motives. However once entrenched into the "system" they either become downtrodden and disheartend by red tape, or corrupted by power. Some of them of course are just completely incompetant. Now when you get the combination of the Corrupt leading the incompetant or visa versa we end up with a situation where no one can see the wood for the trees. The Greed of certain people is then allowed to flourish. We've seen this also in our once respected financial institutions. It used to be said that Estate Agents were our most hated profession, Perhaps they now come third behind Politicians and Bankers!

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 663136)

Ok, but modern dissenters don't have to fear hanging, drawing, and quartering ... that's a deterrent that I'm surprised some of you guys haven't suggested to deal with society's scum ... fun stuff, that HDQ ... and don't forget boiling in oil and burning at the stake:alright::alright::alright:

Originally Posted by Gordie (Post 663133)

In a poll taken shortly after the speech of Birmingham 74% of the British electorate supported Enoch so I guess he would be the hero to many people ;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 663263)

Were you even born then, don't think you were one of the 74%;)

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 663230)

I have suggested most of these, and more, I think cashy probably has too! Will never get anwhere near effective deterrent in this country, unless we hang, draw and quarter the do gooders and human rights brigade first! :hidewall:

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 663284)

Would be very interesting to see what the percentage would be today!


Best Regards - Taggy