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It has just been reported that Prince Harry past a friendly remark three years ago to a military Asian colleague, calling him my little packy friend.
The Prince in now being accused of racism.It would be interesting to know who is behind this accusation and what the motive is. I am sure we would hear nothing if a remark calling the prince,my big white honky royal friend was said.

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Whilst in the army I had lots of friends, Jocks, Micks,Taffy's, Australians who called us Limey's and Americans who had'nt a bloody clue what to call us all came under the same spotlight. A Black American would call us Honkeys and in return we had a pet saying for them.
This was the real world and not the world of the ******* who try to rule our world today.
I used world three times.....oh dear.
The lad is a sqaddy for god sake...leave him alone...by reason of the fact that he has the balls to fight for his country without claiming benefit or being on the dole as most of the reporters who have picked up on this should be, He should be acclaimed not vilified.
:mad:

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It was 3 years ago ....... who can remember what they said 3 hours ago ... never mind 3 years ago?

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I always associate the word '****' with being a northern thing. I don't believe Prince Harry said that at all.

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Can not comment on a report that I have not seen.

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I agree with the point about the frame of mind as well. Things can be said without thinking about the true meaning of them, or misunderstanding what a word means.

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Quote of mine when in court; Not being a lawyer I can't talk without thinking.Judge got 6 months.:hehetable

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Just been watching it on the news and it was a video that Prince Harry was making about his platoon.........it would be interesting to hear what he had to say about his other mates...........these lads (the Prince included) have a hard enough job to cope with..why can't these idiots leave things alone that have nothing to do with anyone else. I am sure that the lad who was involved (the injured party) has nothing to do with the report.

Leave our troops alone to get on with their jobs.

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The lads uncle was interviewed, and from what I understood if Prince H ahd called his nephew a pakistani there would have been no problem, it was the word Pakki that caused offence. (probably to the uncle and not the lad in question)
(sorry no idea why this has appeared twice please remove one.

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Sounds about right MITZY.... there is always someone in the background ready to jump in.......and the poor people involved get the backlash of it all...........it's aboout time it was put to bed and forgotten about, but no chance of that now that the PC brigade have got involved (yet again):mad:

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You mean like `Whippet` ,`Flat Cap` or `Black Pudding`...? So go on then what is the southern word for it then....? i`m very curious

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Think the PC brigade are scrapping the barrel with this one, when I first said this I thought it had happened last week, but 3 years ago, do me a favour:mad:

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Of course he should be vilified, using the term 'little' when referring to his '**** friend' shows that he has a prejudice against smaller people!

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You can watch the video here.

Watch Prince Harry's racist outbursts on video | News | News Of The World

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Having seen the video, i dont think that this is Racist in any way. He used the phrase "my **** friend" and it was said in a nonchalent, friendly manner. Surely its how words are used and the manner in which they are used which should determine if somethings offensive or not. When i was a young lad it was common to say things such as "i,m just going down to the **** shop" purely as a means of distinguishing which shop you were going to, it was only done as a means of shortening the word Pakistani. No offence was ever meant by it. Blimey, how often are we called "Brits" by various people, and most times its meant in a friendly way. You never hear anyone saying they are offended by being called a Brit as opposed to British. Again, its the PC brigade who think they have to decide for us whats right and wrong, rather than using common sense. The more that people feel surpressed from using launguage in an easy manner, then the more that resentment is allowed to fester, which then causes problems. I hardly feel that the Mirror and News of the World are paragons of virtue, so their criticism is a bit of a joke!

Best Regards - Taggy

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I must admit i have always wondered why Pakistani being shortened to `****` is deemed to be offensive...........:confused: like you say Taggy British becomes `Brit` and i`m not offended.....

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Good Grief i dont believe it!! The point i am trying to make has just been compounded when i look at my post and noticed the word that i used (same as Prince Harry) has been censored....yet the word BRITS has been left in!!...Rather underlines the point i was making....why has the word been predetermined as offensive to use on here, no matter which manner its being used in??

Best Regards - Taggy

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I was under the impression that using an asterix instead of a word was frowned upon on here.............:rolleyes: but anyway i would like the word `Brit` censored if you could......please

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Not when the auto-censor kicks in, that word was added to the list after a long and boring argument in a thread a few years ago, the details of which have un/fortunately been lost in time.


P.S. How is asterixs' little dog getting on these days, I haven't read about his comic escapades in years though I have found a site, so I will be able to catch up.
:D

ASTERIX - The official Website

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....Well could i respectfully ask for it to be removed from the auto-censor list please! (Anyone agree?)


Best Regards - Taggy

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Thanx, i did wonder as no Mods were online...............:rolleyes:

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Or at least add the word `Brits` to the list..............:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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anyway the pakki thing shouldn't be the point.....im extremely offended by the way they extract the urine out of harry for being GINGER...thats a far more pressing point IMO...

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LOL!!.....and well done BR, you've found a way of bypassing the auto-censor by spelling Pakki with 2 k's!!!;)

Best Regards - Taggy

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How stupid is this..... it's called forces humour and anything that gets our boys and girls through the hard times they face there so what:

Leave him alone and let him do his job... and the rest of the forces:

Racist this and racist that.... totally sick of it all.... I personally find nothing wrong with what he is saying.....

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It must be a slow day news wise to bring this rubbish up. If it was anyone of us who had said this would it be on national news. NOOOOOOO.

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I was told it was an Acronym representing the regions of the country.

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I think we should be more annoyed at the pathetic editor of NOTW, who has just been trying to justify on the ITV news, his paper printing the none story in the first place, to quote what he said " He thought that almost everybody in the country would be appalled at Harry's racist comments," no they won't you plank, more like you trying to justify your huge salary printing crap like this:mad:

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The worlds gone mad.

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Of course it wasn't racist !! We hear bantering like this every day between friends calling each other what could be interpreted in a derogatory way if twisted. Anyone who has had teenage lads in their house will know how they 'insult' each other all the time; just light-hearted fun though ...:rolleyes:

Never heard the other expression for the Hindus before, but I have now ... :D

What got me was the this spokesman from the Ramadhan Foundation says that an apology does not make it right ... "he should now reach out to show his remorse to the Pakistani population".

Shall we put him in the stocks, so that the 'offended' can pelt bad eggs at him ?

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He's even getting slated for "disrespecting" his gran in the video, for saying "God save you" at the end of his phone call in front of his mates. Geez...come on!!:rolleyes:

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Whilst he was comdemning Harry did the spokesman for the Ramadan Foundation also condemn the killers in Afghanistan everytime a soldier gets killed ? :rolleyes:

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why has it taken 3 years to come to light? bloody pathetic if you ask me, leave the poor lad alone

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I wonder if Harry`s colleague uncle`s brigade is at the back of this :rolleyes:

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Well said Maggie :alright:

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No only in Britain could this take place

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This Ramadhan spokesman`s brigade should have all funds withdrawn if this is correct,They want Harry to now reach out to show his remorse to the Pakistani population. They will be asking for Harry`s Grandmother to show remorse next. I think Harry`s ancesters would have delt quite appropriately with this foundation :king::kill:

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For gods sake what next ? They are squaddies doing what squaddies do . that is just what i would expect anyone of them to say. but because its Harry all hell breaks out.
I agree they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and wether it was 3yrs , 3 weeks or 3 mins ago makes no difference. I doubt Achmed would not really be bothered about it . infact he probably had his own term for Harry

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Well, if he didn't Gordie, should certainly be accused of incitement, as should the Ramadhan guy ... making it larger than life ! Wasn't there a guy called
Shylock that wouldn't rest until he had his pound of flesh (mind you, would have to be Halal). Now, I will appear racist for that remark I suppose !

Oh no ! now an M.P. sticking in his oar ... :eek:

Agree with Magpie ... sick of the whole racist thing from this particular group jumping on at every opportunity.

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This barmy!!!! If we get to the stage were we have to watch what we say then does that mean that saying to my mates after the pub "I am of for a chinky" is going to be spit roasted by the Race Relation and PC band? So from now on on that bases I cant call a Scottish person a Scot as an Englishman I am being racist!!!! God help us. Its out of hand esp when at work they were serious about hauling a guy over the coals over a jokey remark he made about me as they thought it racist. Christ I take it in the nature its intended ie as a joke. They take it so serious its beyond belief!!!!!

Its time those in power tried to;

GET A GRIP AFORE WE CAVE IN UNDER THIS PISH !!!!!!!!

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Brit, Frenchie, Aussie.

All shortened forms of the full name, and not deemed offensive.

Perhaps you can also be accused of racism if you say Czech, rather than some Czechosovak?

All a bit sad really.

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But how many of those terms have been regularly used in a derogatory and offensive way?

I don't get involved in these types of threads anymore, but I'm sure you're smart enough to know the difference between those terms and the one used in this case.

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Err how come the auto censor hasn`t kicked in...............:rolleyes:

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I bet 'Brits' has been used many times in a derogatory way, especially where the sun is hot and the beer is cheap.;)

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Wonder if the shading has anything to do with it? It seem that there is a small bunch of narrow minded blinkered lackies attached to a quango that get paid a lot of money to spout of dung. It all depends on how people take it and at the moment they dont get a say. All it does is increase hostility to those who are supposed to be offended because some jobsworth thinks they are offended. At this rate they will insist on a complete restucturing of the English language so that anything that might be deemed offence or be percived as offensive by one person is removed and deemed illegal to use. Towns will be renamed along with streets roads avenues lanes etc.

There is way to much interferance from dogooders in our lives as it is without this kind of mindless nonsense. We are smart enough (though some think otherwise) to know when a remark will cause offence to another. We have let it go on so long that now we are powerless to stop the interference in our lives and thinking that we just have to accept it. Common sense has now been confined to history and we can do nothing to be allowed to use it again. Soon the courts will be full of people being tried for so called racial remark injury. It has now reached the stage were this PC jugernaught cannot be stopped or even slowed down and it is going to run us over without stopping.

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Sky are milking this story beyond belief.
There is now talk that Harry may be disciplined for something that occured three years ago?
He starts a new job this week.....does prince Rupert up in sky not want him to have it?
Absolute and utter rubbish.
This will help relations no end.....I dont mean Harry's comment but the stupid media.

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The media are looking for something that isnt related to our economic woes and this is the best they could do. :(

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You could be right........another thought. You dont think Jock Brown kick started his spinners do you?

Sorry Spuggy......could'nt resist that one. ;)

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That useless fifer couldnt kick start an old bike let alone something to take the medias gaze from the economic issues. The only spinners he has are the ones that have " what to do next" answers on them. Even the bulls in Spain wouldnt want to charge him he aint worth it. :D

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We There are all kinds of nick names Taffy, Mike(Irish) Paddy (Irish) See you Jimmy, Danes, Swedes, I'm sure Glasgow Guy don't go off in a huff if the word Jock is used as a term of endearment, so whats so offensive at shortening Pakistani,. Its only offencive when you have some kind of hidden agenda

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Those causing this issue are the ones with a hidden agenda not people in general. It boils down to these peoples aggenda is to control us at every level of our lives. Independent thought is something to be supressed at whatever cost.

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I completely agree with you there Jaysay..............

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So what if we just called them stan instead?

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I prefer Hamilton Accies. I don't know what all the fuss is about. The lad's obviously been reading his grandfather's best-seller, 'My Bumper Book of Gaffes'.

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Better watch that Hamilton Accedemicals FC dont take offence at that. ;)

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It also states that harry uses the word 'raghead', for taliban......LOL


I find all this pakki business etc.. rather amusing as well as pathetic:rolleyes: there are more important things going on in the world to worry about than a bloody name!

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I disagree, the person who is the recipetent of the remark is surely the one who should judge if the remark was offensive, and so far we dont seem to have heard from him.

The Press do need to create stories, and this one certainly seems to have done what it was intended to do, and cause controversy.

All the Royals do need to remember that they are constantly in the public eye - the younger ones and a certain old one do tend to forget that alarmingly often.

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Just seen the vid on the news and all the crap being spouted. It is beyond a joke!!!

Here is an example of why we need to use our own judgement and is not aimed at anyone so those in power and spouting off are as guilty as Harry in a way.

Tory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the political tradition of some English-speaking countries, the term Tory is a derogatory insult referring to a variety of political parties and creeds ...



In the United Kingdom, after 1832 and supersession of the Tory Party by the Conservative Party "Tory" has become shorthand for a member of the Conservative Party or for the party in general, sometimes but by no means always as a term of abuse.

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I've used that term before now for friends......like:
Wer ta goin raghead?....or wats tha bin up to raghead?
I'm sure the Taliban and what they stand for would come in for some better old Lancashire expressions that I dare put on here? :rolleyes:

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I don't think you're likely to. Or is he a member on here?:rolleyes:

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Go for it. :eek:

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How can anyone accuse Harry of racism? Look at his grandparents on his father's side, ones a kraut, the other a greasy Greek and that Spuggie's nowt but a haggis bashing Jock.:D

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Was born in Accy. Dad is a Scot Mum English.

Were is the race relation police when you want em????? :jimbo: I am the wrong shade so they must be :hidewall:

Nice comments though. :D

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Has anyone noticed how I insulted three different races and the automatic censor never blinked an eyelid. Use the abbreviation for a certain Asian country, however, and asterisks begin to appear as if by magic.

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I am sorry folks....I tried to reply to this post but doubleclick took priority.

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Now you mention it, wonder what happened to my lawsuit against Accy Web for constantly being racially abused as a Dingle :rolleyes:

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Who can forget Jim Bowen and his 'nig-nog' comment ... all innocent .. :rolleyes:

Worked aside Gobbiners for years .. go on .. have a go at that !! LOL

If the Pakistanis didn't make such a big deal about this, then maybe we could all live together with a little more understanding. It is them that are dividing us :mad: And it's not going to get any better if they carry on with their prejudice against us.

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Dave......You know, I know and evryone on earth knows that a dingle is a dingle.
You have admitted that many times on here so how can you form a defence?...........It would be thrown out...so save your money. :p

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Its those that interfere that make it worse. Most dont bother but there will always be some that do and get into a tit for tat over it. So preudice workes both ways. Now its not just asians at it but also those of eastern European origin as well.

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True Spuggie .. as someone said earlier, we have learned to laugh at ourselves, unfortunately, would appear immigrants have no sense of humour ... :(

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Oh yes they do Kate.....We are the laughing stock of the modern world. :eek:

I hope our local MP's pick up on this thread and act accordingly...........As if?

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They will have humour but different to ours. It is like comedians we like some more than others based on their humour. I dont like dead pan humour yet others do and my liking of Billy Connelly would raise tuts from others. We need to work, we as all creeds colours religion on understanding each other. This is 21C multi cultural, multi religious, multi racial multinational country. Its a pity the poo stirers dont put as much effort into helping all reach common ground as they do in causing trouble.

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Why has this taken three years to be reported if the bloke was so offended? :confused:

It's stories like this that make people racist. I agree with others on here who have said that the shortened version of Pakistani is only the same as calling us Brits. Why is it only offensive on one side? :confused:

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Prince Harry called his friend a paqui. So what? You don't use names that might be offensive, to your friends, unless you really are a friend and, as the bloke hasn't sued him or caused an uproar himself, they are obviously on good terms and above that sort of stupidity.

It's nearly 50 years ago since I started work in the tax office in Bury. I was 17 and lived with my parents in West End. There was a chap there who, from Day 1, called me nothing but Ossy because of my birthplace. He knew my name but he never once used it. I could have been offended. I could, as a 17 year-old girl, have been upset but I wasn't. Cliff was about 30 years older than me but I regarded him as a good friend and I went along with his nickname for me because I knew there was no malice intended.

This is all so silly and, while I'm no royalist, I think Harry has been treated shabbily. Like his grandpa, he can't do right for doing wrong.

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I will 'Kow Tow' to no-one, why should I?
I like the humour of Billy Connelly and enjoyed the humour of the likes of Bernard Manning.
Sometimes OTT but funny, he fell on his arse in India but such is life.
Are we the Morons that are expected to believe that Harry should be subjected to the inquisition that occured fn France?
The lad is a Prince by birth and to my mind has done nothing wrong.

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Because some overpaid jobsworth says so. They are the real problem.

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More worried about the word Stan, seems to creep into a lot of problems worldwide.:hehetable

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Makes one wonder how many of the political correct News of the World readers have NEVER used the offending word :confused: :rolleyes: :D

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what aload of tosh!! This lad is doing more than the rest of the royalfamily put together to support his country.

Incidentally there is already a facebookgroup set up to support himwith this,wonder of the NOTW will update us on how many people actually do (type support Prince Harry in search box and it comes up, ive joined lol)

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Ged a life for gods sake:mad:

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Well of course now its gone stupid, its been reported this morning that some terrorist are now after revenge for the dastardly deed, wonder if the self serving smug bottom feeding Editor of the NOTW just for one nanosecond thought of that inevitable aspect of his none store before he thought it was a good idea to make it a front page headline of his rag

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Whoaah....now now, you've gone way to far there! As an avid Laurel and Hardy fan i take great offence to this...please expect a visit from the "sons of the desert tickle committee" very soon!!:)

Best Regards - Taggy

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It's all relevant to varying situations, isn't it? Apparently Harry was talking to the queen on the phone one day and he ended the conversation by saying,

"Granny, I've got to go. Love to the corgis and grandpa. God save you."

Ooh, how irreverent. How dare he mock our sovereign like that? I demand an apology. :rolleyes: :D

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LOL, I like harry:D

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Wonder if all the reporters and the likes will have to apologise for using this word. :rolleyes:
Of course not, they aint royalty are they ?:rolleyes:

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:alright:well said Katex .this ramadhan foundation spokesman is short of a good kick in the pants or few of these :flamethro:flamethro

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I wonder why it is that HMG in all its forms refers to people of Bengladeshi origin (once known as East Pakistan) as Bengali but will not refer to people of Pakistan origin (once known as West Pakistan) origin as ****?

Bloody hell....the censors are busy tonight

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Its to hard for them to comprehend me thinks. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

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Snce when has a nickname been racist.
The Australians call us Poms, the Yanks call us Limeys.
We refer to the Australians as Diggers, the Americans as Yanks, the Irish as Micks, the Welsh as Taffs, the Scots as Jocks, the French as Frogs, the Germans as Bosh and the New Zealanders as Kiwi's. Since when have these nicknames be racist.
We had no racism in this country before 1948.

Retlaw.

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I believe it is being regarded as offensive because a Pakistan group leader say`s it is offensive, when these spokesmen speek out they are regarded as speeking for the majority of the all community and the national press have no other option but to report on these matters for fear of being accused of racial discrimination.We all know the working mans press are well aware that these headlines will also sell news papers.We also know that these remarks from Harry were not intended to be offensive and are now being used by these community leaders for a different agenda.

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Sorry , but the term "working mans press" is a term I usually relate to things like a steam hammers and Press-brakes , not the purile ravings of the tabloid rags . Think you do a dis-service to working men/women everywhere if you think they are so ignorant that they can be conned by the self-serving propaganda of the likes of Murdoch and his ilk .

Maybe I am wrong , but I think the main readership of the 'red-tops' is for the sports reporting on the back pages (a bit more difficult to tell lies there) than for the main news pages which more often than consist of nothing more than slut/slag/Wag of the day and bingo competitions :confused: :eek:

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Steam hammers and press-brakes, is that slang for a gentleman`s region of his anatomy :confused: :flamethro

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I hope you are not expecting an apology sir ? :p

That was my point Gordie. How these community leaders react do have an influence on their members, and he could so easily have put the matter to bed by accepting Prince Harry's apology and negating the issue by suggesting it was his youth or something .. but, oh no, have to go on and on and on !

Where is Mr Khan in all this ? .. come out from the woodwork you coward and comment ... seems like he has been influenced by his uncle and others to keep his lip buttoned so they can carry on ranting about it.

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No the SIR was quite enough tank you:D

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And there's more. I've just heard this on the radio.

BREAKING NEWS: Prince Charles Calls Asian Friend "Sooty''

The Prince of Wales has become embroiled in controversy after it was claimed he has long called an Asian polo playing friend by the "affectionate nickname" of "Sooty".

Although refusing to respond to the specific allegation, Clarence House says it is "completely ridiculous" to suggest that Prince Charles is racist.

The Indian-born friend of the prince, Kuldip Singh Dhillon, is said to be "comfortable" with the nickname which Clarence House says is widely used by members of Cirencester Polo Club. I'm no royalist but they must have nothing better to write about at the moment. I bet they wouldn't report if Charlie's mate calls him Chalky.:D


BBC Story here

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Well it would would'nt it :

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Best not call his cleaner sweep then .....

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Let me get this right if I had to print the shortened form Of Pakistan on here, letters would be replaced by asterisks:eek::eek: Well you could knock me down with a feather:rolleyes: