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Andrew you are still arguing over old ground.

What about this year's Council Tax and the 'misleading' 3.6 percent, when actual figures quoted for all Council Tax bands (in the report I gave the link too) is 7 percent?

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Let me see if I have this right. You dispute the fact that the report in 2007 was correct because Hyndburn was in it, yet the same report in the same paper which doesn't have Hyndburn in it you swear is correct. :confused:

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lancsdave I am sorry that I can not link you to the 2007 article. They worked out the figures for all councils and they listed a load of data. They worked out that Hyndburn council tax, for band D, was 8.1% of the average income. Obviously most people do not live in band D housing in the borough, 80% of people live in band A & B. They live in band A & B because we have a fairly low average salary, makes sense right? So when you compare a low average salary, from people who mainly live in band A&B, but with band D, its very, very, misleading. Therefore it was wrong for Labour to claim that we had the most expensive council tax, and its wrong of them to continue saying it. I know they want to get elected, and have good intentions, but I don't believe in lying to people.

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To quote a factual report that featured in the national press, isn't lying.

No matter how much you seem to get in a dreadful tizz about it.

Please try to keep the thread relevant to it's subject, that of the recently voted for increased allowances.

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Sorry Garinda for going off topic - just hoping Andrew will answer the misreprentation of this year's Council Tax announcement.

I can state,unequivocally, that I will not claim any of the increased subsistence allowance, if ever I go on any offical Council duties.

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Be my guest.

It's quite clear to all that he's not answering your question, despite numerous requests.

Perhaps his earpiece has interference because of the snow, and isn't working properly.

:rolleyes:

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You have missed the point. You dispute the report when it suits and happy to accept it when it suits. Presumably you have checked all 10 on your list are reported correctly ?

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I never disputed the figures from either report, both used correct figures. However as I explained in my other post, the 2007 one compared Band D council tax, when people mostly live in A&B here. What I dispute is Labour councillors misleading the public by interpreting those figures in an incorrect manner to try and win votes, as its a complex issue and they are trying to fool people.

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That is a very pertinent point Lancs Dave

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I agree, it would be even worse if those same labour councillors informed people the council tax increase is only half of what it will be. After all the Conversatives wouldn't stoop so low ;)

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Council tax will go up by 3.6%. ;)

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Ahem .. was expenses was it not ? Was you that started all this by using the wrong word of 'allowances' in the first place.. :D

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Can you explain why the figure for precept that is Hyndburn's portion of the Council Tax is 7% (a per report to Cabinet on 5 February 2009) page 38 of the following report.
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...to_Cabinet.pdf


The corresponding figures for the other precepts are Lancashire Police Authority ( estimated at 4%) Lanachire Fire and Rescue Service (estimated at 4.24%) and Lancashire County Council (estimated at 2.9%).

Just to prove I have my maths correct for Band A properties (other than in the parish of Altham - which sets an extra precept) the increase in the amount levied by Hyndburn will be £10.25 per annum. 2008-09 was £146.43 and it is proposed (as per this report ) for 2009*10 to be £156.58. £10.25 divided by £146.43 gives an increase of 7%.

Or can you definitely state that precept levied by Hyndburn Borough Council will be 3.6%.

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Oh well, now they have started, best to let them finish I guess.

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No I can't. There needs to be a vote at council first, which I believe is later this month.

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Yes the Budget setting meeting of Hyndburn Borough Council is on Thursday 26th February.

However, I find it strange that you condemn Labour Councillors, when they post the results of information in National Newspapers. But have no opinion about the Leader of Hyndburn Borough Council making a very
disingenuous statement at a meeting of the Cabinet of Hyndburn Borough Council on Wednesday 4 February. The misleading statement that Council Tax would raise by 3.6% was thebn published in Accrington Observer, but you fail to have any opinion on a local newspaper posting information, which is dubious, when you read the report of actually circulated at Hyndburn Borough Council's Cabinet meeting.

So what is your opinion of the press report that Council Tax will rise by 3.6%?

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Claytonender I can go along with that. I would like to think that all Councillors would commit themselves to not taking the increased allowance.

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Im glad i live in rossendale ..... mind you thats bad enough at the minute!!!!

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What's bad in rossendale. Anyway Rising Bridge should really be in Hyndburn. Don't you agree?

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Compare the cost per head of the electorate in Hyndburn to the cost per head of the bank bail out by the Government.
To be a reasonable local politician you have to be a reasonable spin merchant.
In my view, no matter what local politicians do they are wrong, moreso if it is the party you did not vote for.
Point scoring is the norm and we have seen on this forum that ,that is the case.
Conservative councillors don't enter the forum for good reason. I think that 'Give them enough rope' comes to mind.
I must say that the efforts of the local 'Big Wigs' are not effortless but meaningless.?:confused:

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My opinion is they should have reported it, as council tax will rise by 3.6%...

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All, even that ones that chose to ignore the recommended limits suggested by the independent panel, and voted for the increases?

If that's going to happen they seem to have caused themselves an awful lot of public disquiet for nothing.

:rolleyes:

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You are probably right, but you would hope that those who voted for the increase might change their minds. Individually they don't have to accept the increase . Public opinion also can change minds.

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Andrew you appear to have double standards about articles in the press, when the information suits your party. Do you not agree that it should have been made clear that Hyndburn's share of the council tax would increase by 7 percent ( as per the report to cabinet). You can't dismiss the Daily Telegraph for using band D (which is what all council tax bases are expressed in). Then say it is ok to use the total council tax bill (which includes some much lower percentages) rather than being honest and admitting Hyndburn's share was in fact being increased by 7 per cent.

Or are you scared to post anything against the current Leader of Hyndburn Council- who you are at pains to tell us is democratically elected. You appear to infer that all non Conservative councillors were not democratically.

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We, the public, live in hope.

:rolleyes:

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When you get your council tax bill, which is not the most expensive in the country, will you or will you not be paying 3.6% more than last time?

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very rarely, then only at election times, :rolleyes:

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But in all fairness, people don't actually care whether LCC put their bit up by x% or Hyndburn BC by x% or the Police by x%, all anybody actually cares about is the over all percentage that they'll end up paying.

No one actually cares who gets what! So, by saying that Hyndburn BC have put the council tax by 3.6%, whilst not factually true, is what people perceive it to be and how it affects their pockets.

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At the minute i would say rising bridge is happy enough being in rossendale and we will stay that way thank you. So no i dont agree.

Oh and i've managed to find the expenses for county councillors on the lancashire county council website. And this is for 2008-2009

Some of which is posted below ...

Overnight Accommodation

Where the nature of the duties being undertaken result in a councillor or co-opted member being absent from his/her usual place of residence, overnight accommodation will be booked and paid directly by the County Council.

In exceptional circumstances where it is not possible for the County Council to make a direct booking on behalf of a councillor or co-opted member, the actual receipted cost of accommodation, including breakfast, will be reimbursed to the councillor or co-opted member. Such reimbursement will be subject to a maximum allowance per night of £129 for London and £113 elsewhere in the UK.


http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/counci...A&fileid=36669

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I am not scared to post against the current leader of any council, if councillor Britcliffe was elected on a majority verdict he is the boss.
I did not vote for Brown but he is the boss...I did not vote for Lord Mandy to be a minister but he is. Politics stink and the sooner the electorate realise that, the better we will al be.
Andrew is a student of politics, and a very able student I might add he poses questions to the posers and efforts have been made to shoot him down. I am one of the byestanders who take note of the absolute rubbish that that is being fired at him by the educated and the ones who are not so well endowed. :rolleyes:

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Only joking Jen. Still in Hnydburn Constituency though.

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Only joking Jen. Still in Hyndburn Constituency though.

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I think that's true.

The increase will be judged by the people of Hyndburn, when they are having to find the money to pay their bills in these financially hard times.

The true expense will be when that cost is weighed against the level of services we get for the money.

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Yes i know bernard ... the bane of my life having to come down to hyndburn for meetings........

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This is a link to the minutes of the meeting of the Full Council held on 19 January 2009 when the revised limits for hotel and meal allowances were passed.

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa..._190109_2_.pdf

The Labour amendment- 'That the subsistence allowance payable for hotel accomodation and the rate of evening meal allowance be increased in line with inflation' -was defated.

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You make me laugh. Without you Andrew I would like Samson after a trip Nutty Normans!

Conservatives have put Council Tax up by 7% (and 10% cuts). Labour (LCC) by 2.9% with a quickly ageing population to care for.

People can see Hyndburn Tories are bad for their pockets and their Borough.

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Just out of curiosity, Graham, what difference would that actually make to the over all increase that people will have to pay?

When you're talking about a 7% increase you're talking purely about the HBC portion - but the Conservatives are talking about the whole thing. What difference would your 2.9% on the HBC part actually make to the total?

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Would still not be realistic as a ceiling expense on the original figure though Westender.

Is your typing error defeated, deflated or defecated .. LOL.

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i think its you thats made the typing error kate.:D;)

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Whatever Cashy .. my realistic opinion that's all. :p Increase with the rate of inflation on the original question of expense was nonsense .. fed up now ... off to another thread ... :D

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Are you by any chance a relative of Andrew's.

Several facts about recent actions of the current Tory administration (which are completely true) have been posted - but he refuses to provide an answer.

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I ment to type defeated - wish there was a spellchecker on Accyweb :)

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Didn't think was spelling error .. typing error which is different.

I go through Firefox on Accyweb and underlines spelling mistakes ... if you right click on the word it underlines in red, will give you alternatives. Problem is blooming American spelling. :rolleyes:

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I have been using Safari (which does underline wrong spellings) but I posted that post from Internet Explorer -trouble is my fingers go to fast for the keys. :)

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i wondered that when roy stated he was a very able student, if they are andrews never mentioned it to me oer coffee.:rofl38::rofl38:;)

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No, your brain is ahead of your fingers .. that's my excuse anyway .. :D:D

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I've already provided the answer. Council tax will rise 3.6%.

The bill you got last time, will be 3.6% higher this time around.

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Well if he was your relative would you really own up to it?:rolleyes:

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can i phone a friend?:D

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Nor me, over a couple of bottles of wine.

I know quite a few of Andrew's family and am happy to report there are no skeletons, or imbeciles, locked away.

:D

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You also being disingenuous, what you are failing to say is that on the figures provided in the HBC report circulated at the Cabinet meeting on 4 February 2009, it clearly states that Hyndburn's share of the Council Tax will rise by 7%. It is on page 38 of report 9 (I am providing the link again).
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...NAL_to_Cabinet.

Do you deny that it states 7%.

(for the other precepting authorities it states if) but for Hyndburn it clearly states 'Hyndburn Borough Council Taxt @ 7%). Underneath the chart it states 'Assumed figures for major percepting authorities are subject to their respective formal descisions being made. Figures are indicative at this time.'

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The thing is Joan, regardless of what the Hyndburn Borough Council portion of the Council Tax will be - I accept that it is a 7% increase - it is irrelevant here because as far as the people of Hyndburn are concerned the amount of money that they have to pay will increase by 3.6%.

For the Conservatives clearly it is better to say that the overall bill is only increased by 3.6%, for Labour it is more important to state that the Conservatives are raising the HBC portion by 7%.

If you want my honest opinion I think both parties are using the figure that suits them best and by both digging in your heels no one's finding out the real facts.

Can someone tell me what the actual benefit to the people of Hyndburn will be based on Labour's budget and including all the other factors.

I maintain my point that no one cares about the HBC portion, all they care about is the overall increase that will affect their pocket.

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Another 'Tit for Tat' from the Brat.....:dummy2:

I am not related to Andrew and said that he was a very able student by reading his post's............a deduction, nothing more. :)

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Good moaning Grumps. ;)

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I sure that you are right Gayle, people, want to know how much it's going to cost them.

But people are also want to know what they going to get for their money in terms of services provided

A lot of the budget as you know Gail is spoken for,and it doesn't matter which party is in control. The council as statuary responsibilities, to meet, money is also ring fenced for certain projects.

What we are essentially talking about is tinkering at the edges. One party thinks we should be spending money on this , the other party thinks we should be spending on that.

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I see the councillors in Preston decided to follow the recommendations put forward by their independent panel, unlike some of our councillors in Hyndburn.

Councillors vote for a pay freeze after panel's recommendations - Lancashire Evening Post

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So, if that's the case, what difference will the extra 4.1% on the HBC portion amount to - what extra are we being told that we'll get. Or is it that Labour are cutting corners to keep it down to 2.9%.

Also, that wasn't actually an answer to my question, so like Jeremy Paxman I'll keep on asking until I get an answer. What would the overall increase be if Labour were in charge? Let's just hope I don't have to ask the same question 14 times until someone is prepared to answer.;)

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I don't normally get involved in debates like this but seems to me that nobody is prepared to answer Gayles question. You all seem to just want to say how much the Tory side are raising the council tax but seem unable to tell us how Labour can manage to keep the costs so low. Easy peasy really seeing as you have the figures or do politicians never answer a question directly?

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We certainly won't be cutting corners Gayle. Truthfully if I knew the answer to your question I would tell you.

I have seen a lot of figures banded about, but setting a budget is ongoing process both within the council and the various political groups.

The aim will be to keep the overall increase down to as low as possible, whist maintaing services and also funding Labour priorities.

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If Labour come up with a figure much lower than 7% for Hyndburns part of the tax, I do hope it is fully costed. Unlike last years where they said you'd pay much less if you vote for them, and had a chance of becoming the controlling group but had a load of uncosted items. :rolleyes:

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I'm rotten with maths so I need someone to work all this out for me yet i don't see either Andrew or Graham stepping up to the mark to give the correct figures here.

If LCC are putting up their bit by 2.9% (which according to an earlier post is about 72% of the overall bill - i.e. a huge portion of it, and the Police are putting their's up by x amount (sorry don't know that figure but presumably someone does), surely someone can work out how much the overall increase to Hyndburn's council tax payers will be if Labour's budget was accepted.

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I've hit a blockade. Have labour announced their budget? (for Hyndburn)

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There's probably an allowance you can claim for that.

:D

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Haha, no really, am I just missing it or what? Have Labour been having a go at council tax all this time without having one of their own? Maybe someone can point it out to me..

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It would appear that Labour's budget isn't ratified yet so they can't announce it at the moment.

I'm expecting great things when it is ;)

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I wouldn't hold your breathe:rolleyes:

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I would take that a little further and say that many people don't understand the difference between HBC and LCC and just see it all as 'The Council'. Many don't understand who does what never mind how the money is split.

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That is true but many people do not know who provides what services. Maybe HBC should promote themselves a little and explain to us what we get from HBC for our money and what we get from LCC for our money.

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I agree with you.

And if LCC are taking 72% of the Council tax then one would presume that they provide 72% of the services - however, if you were to ask the average person who their council was they would say Hyndburn Borough Council and not LCC.

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I have just stayed near Glasgow with work, we were in a hotel near to nowhere as it is on the industrial estate near our plant. The cost was £95 per night plus and extra £9.95 for breakfast. An evening meal in the hotel with 2 or 3 three drinks cost about £25. That was picking one of the lower cost meals as well without a starter or desert. A little more extravagant and the meal could have easily cost £15 or £20 more.

We had little choice but to eat in the hotel. We have never been up to that plant before and even the lads on site were saying there was nowhere to eat for miles.

So we were over priced for LCC outside London allowance.
LCC's subsistence does not appear to have a limit. It looks like you can claim £33.75 without receipts. That means you could spend £10 on a meal and still claim the full £33.75. If they need to claim over £33.75 they just have to produce receipts. I did not notice a maximum claim allowance.

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Thankfully we aren't now going to have another tier of local government, in the form of town councils, to add to the confusion, and to the costs.

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Part of it (there is much more to come - there will be a big announcement next week);

1. To remove £650,000 Council tax relief private landlords (2.5% of Council Tax) get when they can't rent their houses. The discount is 50%. Part financially fair, part regeneration.

2. To introduce a Town and Site Planner so we don't have to stick with Government outline planning law but can make our own planning laws for neighbourhoods and towns. The Tories recently had to out source this for one small site at a cost of £20,000.

3. Railways - To persue with Burnley Borough Council the completition of the Holroyd Junction by 2014 so there is for the first time since Beeching in 1962, Accrington is connected directly to Manchester. Again Andrew I have been instrumental in leading this from the top in Hyndburn.

4. Look to extend rate relief to Working Mens Clubs, Cricket Clubs and Conservative Clubs. Currently at 50%, 80% and 0%. Cost implications are 75% from Government (100% =extra £18,000 for WM Clubs), 25% from Council (100%=extra £6,000 for WM clubs).

5. Work with PCT to provide free sports facilities for all across Hyndburn. In fact we have already achieved this, Blackburn have taken the plans I thought up and they start in April this year. Furthermore they have taken onboard a lot of work I did around who will benefit and will not benefit as much to try and tackle that issue.

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With the council tax bill you get every March there is a breakdown of who gets what. If people read the info given with the bill they would know where every penny goes and what it is used for. I certainly like to know where my money is going when I get such a huge bill every year and thus read every little bit (although it may not stay in the little grey cells ad verbatum! :D ).

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I think No 1 sounds good Graham.

No 2 depends on how much you would need the person compared to what the wage cost would be.

No 3. I would not have thought that was down to Local Councils. Why do the rail companies or LCC or even Govenment not pay for such things. After everyone wants to pretend to be 'green' these days. Even Tories want to be 'green' ;)

No 4. Why should we be helping out the clubs? I am not saying we should not be just wondered what the justification is for doing it.

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and your costed council tax rise will be...:confused:

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Andrew,
As I am Shadow Portfolio holder for Finance and Asset Management, I am putting together the Opposition budget. I have been working (bloody hard !!!) on this for over 6 months and I can assure you that its fully costed and indeed approved as a fully balanced budget by the Chief Finance Officer at HBC. If you want to find out the details then you need to wait until its ratified by the Labour Group and maybe tthink about attending the Overview and Scrutiny meeting on Monday 23rd February at 3pm at Scaitcliffe House when I will be scrutinised by the commitee on our budget proposals

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I will attempt to get back home for said date. It is however tricky as it costs a fortune to go East-West. I look forward to a fully costed opposition budget, as last year none existed.

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on the train website

Hull (HUL) to Accrington (ACR)

£37.90
Cheapest available fare
This total fare is for 1 Adult.

and thats travelling on the monday .. and going back on the tuesday.....

and without a 16-25 railcard ...

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If you set off early enough you could always follow Norman Tebbit's advice.;)

http://www.racerxvt.com/virtual_trai...i/old_bike.gif

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Yeah mate.. must be hard work.. try Garinda's advice.. nay Tebbits ..or you could even walk .. some in the past have done that .. to ensure your education.. that has sadly turned sour on them!

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Exactly... :p

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Andrew, when is half term at Hull? Just thought that you might be back in Accrington next week, so as the Overview and Scrutiny meeting at 3pm (for the budget) is a week on Monday (February 25th) , you could travel back either on Monday evening or Tuesday morning.

Also do you not have a student's railcard? Railcards are well worth the money.

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Looks like somebody is going to come out of this smelling of roses, think of a figure, blame the national government, who just happen to be the opposition party, let the opposition 'leak' it to the local community then we can come along and reduce it so we look good. Not that I'm cynical of course :D

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I am sure no one would ever consider you to be cynical. :)

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Have you read past the first one or do you need glasses?????? :D:D:D:D

Doahha ... Its a budget saving Andrew !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You're almost right Dave. The Council are £2million short they admit (on a £15 budget). So 8% cuts and 7% Council tax rises balances things.

However for the last 4 years it has gone 5% and cuts have been in excessive of 5% each of those years.

What they are doing is precisely that. It will be 5% on the day. Rabbits and hats. You know, when they voted down our Landlord Policy because it arrived on the day!!

Secondly by trying to square it this year plus a little bit over and no elections this year, The Tories are going to ride out the damage and put through a 0-2% Budget next year to capitalise on a big David Cameron push on low Council tax. Unless it goes up big this year they can't do that next year.

Once again our local Tories have proved they will scrape the bottom of any barrel to con the public.

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In this weekend's Observer the row contnues, regarding the story that some councillors recently voted to award themselves higher allowances, than were recommended by an independent panel.

In a somewhat weak defence Cllr. Britcliffe criticises the cost of a recent meeting about the Rapid Bus Transport scheme, which he 'estimates' as costing £3,000.

As well as the previous quote, about how someone should write a guide book, if they know anywhere in London where you can eat for ten pounds, there's a new quote, that in London £10 was barely enough for 'a hot dog and a can of Coke'.

We have no idea if the estimated claim for the bus scheme did cost that much money.

What we do know is that two wrongs don't make a right, and is a very poor excuse.

They must have provided very poor nibbles at Downing Street, if afterwards a hot dog and a can of Coke was on the wish list.

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I think that Peter Britcliffe's excuses for justifiying the increase in allowances are getting just a touch desperate.

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'Yes Mummy, we did take the sweeties, but so did those other children.'

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My preference is for Jelly Babies and the more I read this thread the more I am convinced that, as I am diabetic, the more I read this thread and the pathetic diatribe from the opposition councillors and of course Garinda...Who loves Peter really? the more I think that I would rather listen to 'Billy the bullfrog'......or support Burnley. :eek:

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The simple answer to your problem then is don't.

I'd feel my life was fairly empty if I was to read things that held no interest at all for me, and emptier still if I then found myself writing about it.;)

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my last trip to london
1 nights b&b (lovely room, more than ample breakfast) £55
overnight parking for 1 x 40 foot coach £10
2 x taxi fare to/from coach park £12
1 X tube ticket £5.90
1 x evening meal all you can eat chinese in a lovely little knightsbridge restaurant £10

total £92.90

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You should write a guide book for those less well informed than yourself.

You'll sell at least one copy.

Council Leader Peter Britcliffe,
The Lane with more traffic calming measures than anywhere else in Britain,
Oswaldtwistle,
Accrington,
Lancashire.

(Make sure you do cash on delivery, or at the very least get a signed receipt.) ;)

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think some people have beat me to it
Real meals for under a tenner| Restaurants | This is London

Restaurant offers - eat out for a tenner| Restaurants | This is London

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have just had a look on the rossendale free press website catching up ... 10 days in grangemouth does this .. and have just found this .... maybe hyndburn councillors might be interested in what rossendale council have done regarding the members allowances ...

Council tax rise - News - Rossendale Free Press

At the meeting, at Hardman’s Mill, Rawtenstall, on Wednesday, members also recommended rejecting a rise in their allowances proposed by the Independent Remuneration Panel (IRP).

Speaking at the meeting, Councillor Brian Essex, portfolio holder for finance, said the tax rate set by Rossendale Council was the joint lowest when compared with all the other Lancashire districts.

He said: ‘For the past three years we have consistently set council tax below the level of inflation and our policy continues again this year.

‘But that is against what everyone tells us to do and year on year we are required to provide our customers with better services.

‘My judgement is that we have been successful in that objective and we will continue to meet that aspiration.’

Councillor Essex also presented the recommended IRP report, which proposed to increase councillor allowances by five per cent – equating to a rise in the basic allowance from £3,300 to £3,398.

But Councillor Peter Steen, portfolio holder for environmental services, said he was uneasy about accepting any sort of pay increase for councillors in the current economic climate and all Cabinet members agreed.

He said: ‘This year we have offered our own council staff a pay rise of 2.5 per cent.

‘In some sectors of work it is believed members of the public will not even receive a pay rise this year.

‘For us to take a five per cent increase I feel would be totally out of place in this current time.’

Councillor Essex added: ‘I feel uncomfortable myself and this is not the time to accept this.’

The revenue budget and council tax document will now be recommended to the full council next Thursday.

Re: Living off the fat of the land.
 

Hallelujah!

At last some more councillors with a streak of decency, and common sense in these financially worrying times, who don't think it right to award themselves pay rises above and beyond the rate of inflation.

Perhaps we could start some sort of twining committee between the two neighbouring boroughs?

We'll send you some of ours, and you can send some to Hyndburn in exchange.

(Just make you send the one's who made the above sound quotes.) ;)

Re: Living off the fat of the land.
 

It needs more, people drive up it like idiots. The church was trying to get a camera outside it for years but was turned down by LCC

Re: Living off the fat of the land.
 

I know that is the way you go to work, but I'd say both Fielding and Stanhill Lanes have equally heavy traffic in the rush hours, both being major routes people now take to access the motorway system.

Yet both have much, much less traffic calming measures in place compared to New Lane.

Odd that.

:rolleyes:

Re: Living off the fat of the land.
 

Cars do drive too fast both up and down Fielding Lane. I can't comment about Stanhill. I have had a car overtake me coming down Fielding lane that went on the wrong side of the traffic islands. He looked a little worried when I stopped at the side of him outside the Spar and had a quiet word ;)