Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 676325)

Surprised I've beaten Cyfr to this but............



We may as well just become part of the USA seeing as our politicians seem scared S********less of upsetting our atlantic neighbours

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we need shut of this bunch of muppets (or is that puppets) right now.

FFS, we participate in exactly what we claimed were the reasons for removing Saddam, what exactly does that make our goverment and ultimately us for not doing something about them....


As someone who is happy to be politically fluid based on whats happening here and now and not what political parties have stood for historically(which is what some people seem to continue to vote for....) I can't see a reason why we leave this lot in charge??????

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 676342)

We’ve been the 51st state in all but name since WWII without the benefits.

It is time that we either stood up to the Yanks and told them where to go or became Yanks ourselves.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 676354)

Looks like it's a choice between being a state of the United States of Europe or the United States of America.

What makes me laugh, bitterly, is the way that Labour, Tory and Lib-Dem politicians (including those on here) still like to peddle the fallacy that we're an independent country.

Oh sure...

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676357)

well i know which united state i would choose. if it came down to it.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676357)

well i know which united state i would choose. if it came down to it.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 676368)

the thing is we could still be but it would take a goverment with balls, one who would spend a year or two ignoring EU directives to build a local farming capability etc to provide sufficient food etc. It may even take us some sacrifice in missing some things we may be used to initially till we negotiate teh supply chains in independance.

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 676368)

independant does not mean not in need of supplies from elsewhere. few countres live a self sufficient life, teh difference would be us setting our own limits

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 676372)

Nice idea, but you've as much chance of getting that from the Tories as you did from Labour.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 676379)

I thought it all started with the oil prices, which we 'aint got .. :confused:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 676368)

the thing is we could still be but it would take a goverment with balls, one who would spend a year or two ignoring EU directives to build a local farming capability etc to provide sufficient food etc. It may even take us some sacrifice in missing some things we may be used to initially till we negotiate teh supply chains in independance.

independant does not mean not in need of supplies from elsewhere. few countres live a self sufficient life, teh difference would be us setting our own limits