Our Lads home at last
 

At long last our lad is home from Guantanamo Bay, The Ethiopian born asylum-seeker Binyam Mohamed flew into RAF Northolt on private jet at a cost of £110,000 to the British tax payer. I was rather surprised that Gordon and the whole cabinet weren't there to greet him, and where was the brass band. It now appears that he has a fight on his hands to say in this country, yea reght, who are they trying to kid, he'll already have a dez rez lined up and plenty of readies to ease him back into the good old swing of things. This country has become the dustbin of the world, what was it Tony said when he left Downing Street, signing up to the European Human Rights Act was his finest achievement, beam up Scotty:o

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very sore point wi me this guy:( ok no charges brought, but the guy visits Afghanistan after 9/11 just to see what n islamic states like, ballcocks i certainly do not buy that story.:mad:

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how long is it going to be before he tries to do something in this country?/ (oh sorry i forgot all the charges where dropped against him) utter bull!!!

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I think you are being a little cynical there Cashy:rolleyes: Sounds to me like he was just one of your average down and out Ethiopian Asylum seekers that fancied a trip to Afghanistan(wonder were he got the cash) to see what life was like there(as you do).;)

The authorities did at least stop short of letting him fly the plane back.:D

We can all rest at ease now knowing that the 10's of thousands of pounds it will cost to keep him safe and secure is money well spent:confused::confused:

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considering how many british born people went to train in afghanistan to fight against our troops i find it highly unlikely he went there with good intentions

i think its a case of he was picked up too soon so can claim innocence but the alternative was to let him train and do whatever they had planned for him to do then hope to catch him in the act


was it some lads from accrington or blackburn that went to train in afghanistan , what happened to them are they still roaming our streets ?

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Well if we choose to live in this democratic system, we're going to have to make peace with the fact that if there's no sustainable evidence then nothing can be done.
It's probably me watching too much 24, but something screams guilty as sin about this fella.

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I recall seeing this chaps scumbag lawyer on TV years ago, think he just classed himself as a journalist then though, making a programme about all those poor innocents on death row in America.....theres obviously not enough money to be made out of helping normal, decent folk!!:(

Best Regards - Taggy

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'...his right to remain (in Britain) expired in 2004, he is due to receive up to £21,600 a year in handouts.'

Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News :: I'm back... And I want benefits

Sounds about par for the course.:mad:

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'He was flown back on a luxury Gulfstream jet accompanied by two Foreign Office officials, two Metropolitan police officers and a doctor.

The Foreign Office and Home Office jointly paid for the trip, which is estimated to have cost as much as £160,000.'

Freed Guantanamo prisoner's return on luxury jet cost £160,000... now he could claim thousands in benefits | Mail Online

Blimey, perhaps H.M. The Queen has adopted him, and he's going to be called Prince Binyam.

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i bet he dosnt have to wait on a list to be housed

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thats the whole point to me shaker, summat should be done, like send him back to "Ethiopia", wonder if any of our "Political" members will comment on this? seem to have kept well away so far. why am i not surprised?:rolleyes:

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you can always count on the good old UK to fund and look after people who hate us

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What do you mean Rindi, he's going for tea on Sunday, he's just dying to meet Phil the Greek:D like one refugee to another

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He was flown 'home' on a private jet along with two policemen,two Government officials and a Doctor at a cost of £120,000.
Now he could claim a weekly allowance of:

Income Support-£137
Housing Benefit-£105
Council Tax Benefit-£34
Disibility Living Allowance- £114
Jobseekers Allowance-£60

Fair enough??

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i bet he isnt made to go out to work like single mums on benefits are being made to

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Should he not have claimed asylum in the USA or Cuba ( depending on which side of the illegal occupation argument of Guantanamo you take sides with ). After all he's been on holdiay there for the past few years. :rolleyes:

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Just wondered why The Daily Star barred all comments by web readers for this story ?

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In the link provided by Garinda, this chap says that while in custody he was hung up by the wrists and he's private parts were abused...don't know what he's moaning about... some High court Judges would pay good money for that kind of service! :D

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part time suicide bomber 16hrs a week minimum wage £91.76

working tax credit £80.45 per week

im sure even he could live off £172.21 per week

sending him to work in a cave - priceless

get him to work lol

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I have more chance of being king than this "innocent" has of being getting the size 12 up the bahookie. There are those that want this country on its knees with the use of violence but we dont get shut we pay them to stay so that the security services can "keep an eye on them." Dont know whats worse wanabe terrorists or bankers.

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Dont know whats worse wanabe terrorists or bankers Quote;

Well you only need to change one letter to include both.:mosher::D

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We have our own boy ... Omar Khadr, in Gittmo for thowing a grenade and killing a US soldier in Afghanistan .... Khadr was fifteen at the time and his lawyers are claiming he was a "child soldier". Anyway, the attitude of the Canadian govt. boils down to "we don't want the asshole here in Canada." Seems, from the CBC report that I read, that it is you guys and the Aussies who want their "citizens" back ... I realize that citizens of a particular country have "rights" ... but this is a New World Order we are living in .... "home grown" terrorists blowing up subways, buses, airports, planting assorted bombs ... you get the picture ... the rules have changed ... the govts. of the UK and Australia are playing by the old rules .... terrorists are playing by the new ones, which can be summed up as "there are no rules."

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There are still some cracking all-inclusive deals to be had going to Cuba.;)

As this proves.

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Is Werrorists a word????:D:p:mosher:

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Still no contribution from our politicos, i think its pathetic.:cool:

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Definitely not one for Jonathan Ross!

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Probably gone to form a welcoming committe with David Davis.:rolleyes:

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i'm referring to all political persuasions.:rolleyes:

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Never heard of this guy so i cant comment.

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So did this guy travel to Afghanistan on a British issued passport or on his original Ethiopian one ? Are all asylum seekers/illegals allowed British travel documents so they can have mini-breaks in the Sun ? :confused: :confused:

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aint sure,was informed tonight that he entered the uk in 94 as n illegal immigrant.:confused: if that is true WHY on earth did the CONSERVATIVE goverment of the day not sling him back to Ethiopia?:confused:

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would appreciate Jaysay or Andrew,enlightening me on this.:D

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Yep .. and just by chance the other geezer that was in the news suspected of dodgy doings gained entrance to the UK in 1993..(under a conservative Government) with a false passport.. as was posted by Jaysay..

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ted-45674.html

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Well it would appear so,a spanking good break for a Saido Masachist.:D

Wonder If he brought any duty free cigars back with him?:(

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pennys just dropped!! when this geezer arrived in the U.K. we were not IN the human rights act, in fact your lot was in power.:rolleyes:

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Not only were the Consevatives in Government they also signed up for a treaty in 1993 (Maastrict Treaty) that directly lead to the Social Chapter and the treaty of human rights.. it quite clearly states in the Maastrict treaty that there would be a " Common Foreign and Security Policy" ..link is on wikipedia

Maastricht Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the then Tory rulers willingly signed this treaty.. and now they try to skip on the deal they made

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Before we get too bogged down in why he was allowed entry and to stay so long after his appeal had been refused, apparently Jacqui Smith had the power to force him to board a plane to Ethiopia as soon as he was returned to British soil, and faced the legality of such an action when he was no longer our responsibility.

Sadly she chose not to.

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Simple ways is that the Tories like to play this as a weakness of the present Government.. and as I say both of these threads were posted by a member ... let's say that leans towards the Tories...I like to think of him as a "drone".... but anyway , the two "suspects" that have been brought to our attention by threads came to this country 15yrs ago.. not last week... they were admited without passports by an administration that then... and even more so now... procliam they would/have none of this sort of thing if in power.... rubbish!... the people that post this sort of propaganda know full well that this or any other Government have little choice in these matters.... get real .. this sort of situation happens all over the world were suspects are by law illegal or legal and the law will take it's course... thankfully i've still got half a brain and don't rely on the Daily Star or the Mail to sway my mind!

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That is a good point.

If he was illegal in this country and then left of his own free will to go to Pakistan and Afghanistan why would we let an illegal back in to the UK once he has left.

The newspaper - if you can call it that ;) said

So he should have been deported to Ethipoia not the UK from Pakistan. Instead they gave him to the Yanks to practice torture techniques on. Why he has come back here is amazing. The US should have sent him straight to Ethiopia.

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It's also reported that his sister flew to Britain to greet him on his return, though it doesn't say from where.

Obviously somewhere that allows it's citizens the liberty of free passage.

Perhaps her brother could stay with her, providing she goes back.

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Just read, his sister is a U.S. citizen.

Odd that, them both chosing to live in such tortuous countries.:rolleyes:

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Despite Mancie's attempts at spin, the fact remains that governments of both political stripes are guilty of creating this ludicrous situation.

The "tough on immigration" Tories for allowing him to stay in 1994, despite his dubious claims for asylum. And the present Labour government for allowing him back into this country, instead of taking the commonsense approach of flying him back to Ethiopia (business-class). This man has no business and no right to be in the UK and any government which thinks otherwise has clearly lost touch with reality.

Like Cashy, I'm bemused at the way that Accywebbers who are members of mainstream political parties are carefully avoiding this thread (apart from Jaysay who, as we know, is a bit of a loose cannon anyway ;)). Could it be that they know if they defend the view of their parties that this individual should stay in this country, they'll alienate the public at large...or alternatively, if they take the view of most of the British public that he should be sent back to Ethiopia, they risk censure from their party masters? I wonder...:rolleyes:

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My view for what it is worth, the man should have been clearly deported Really don't know why he wasn't.

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He clamed political asylum cashy when he came here in 94,

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Well done for having the bottle to say so. If only more mainstream politicians did the same. The fact that they don't leaves a clear field for the likes of the BNP to spread their poison.

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My understanding is that he was refused asylum, but given permission to stay until 2004. To my mind, if someone's refused asylum, they should be sent back.

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Yet another story that highlights the laughing stock this country has become. If he was refused asylum in 1994 he should have been sent back. Why is he now brought back here (after making a journey best described as suspect) at such great cost to the British tax payer and allowed to claim benefits?
We have pensioners scared of using their heating for fear of not being able to afford the bill, terminally ill people being refused life saving drugs and many other causes more worthy of the money that has been spent on this man. Are their "human rights" less important than his. He should never have been brought back here:mad:

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Well, to my mind that was wrong, but the fact is that he left this country in 2001 and went to live in Pakistan, think he was on a computer course or something.:rolleyes: So in that case why did this government bend over backwards to "bring him home", Miliband's words not mine, this country isn't his home, he should have been sent back to Pakistan the last place he chose to to live, but the freeby by train doesn't stop at any stations in Pakistan, and I don't think the legal aide is very good there either, which no doubt he il now be using to screw the pants off the British Tax Payer . Its also know that he was given exceptional leave to stay in this country in 2000, but didn't bother and left of his own free will

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my main point is simple, this would never have arose if the government of 94,had done their job.:rolleyes: too late was the cry.

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I'd accept your point if the same thing wasn't still being allowed to happen today.

Sadly it is.

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If Jacqui Smith had had the political balls to boot this waste of space on to another plane straight out of Britain, and to hell with the legal consequences, which was an option, she might have shown the kind of strength of political leadership that the people of this country are crying out for.

It might have even deflected a little from the story of her accommodation expenses.

A little, but not much.

(To whom it may concern. Please note the seventh scathing attack on a LABOUR government in less than a week.);)

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that is quite true,spineless n no regard for what the general public (in the main) require.:( as fer her expenses, perhaps shes a relative of our own P.B.:D as fer whom it may concern, some only see what suits their own purpose.:rolleyes:

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I have been counting:rolleyes:

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Good, count away.:)

Sadly no matter how much I disagree with some of this government's policies, the only viable option as far as I can see, on balancing local and national issues against the personal, is to vote for Greg Pope, assuming the election was tomorrow.

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Good on you Rindi, if I weren't a Tory I'd vote for him too:D

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You've been allowed to keep your membership?

That's nice.:D

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You can still vote for Greg even if you are a Tory. It's not against the law.

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I wonder if Greg will post and explain reasons for the Governments actions on this matter.

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because no matter what govenment is in the spineless out number the ones with common sense

if france of all countries can stick 2 fingers up at european law when it likes im sure the UK could on matters like this :rolleyes:


yeah i know im not mr Pope but thats my thoughts lol

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I fail to understand that after twelve years in government the labour diehards refuse to concede that they have not got the bottle to put things right.
Without a referendum they have ratified the treaty without the support of the British Public.
I think the shout of 'Too late was the cry' will be shouldered by our children and their children for many years to come?

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as ya were quoting me i can only assume ya think i'm a labour diehard? wrong again. if ya had said that years ago it would have some credence.

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Don't disillusion the blinkered members please, and pop back in your little box they've made for you, just like the rest of us.

Happily the little boxes they insist in putting us in are Jack-in-a Box boxes, unbeknownst to them, and you're free to jump out and suprise them at random, when they least expect it.:bootyshak

:D

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Well I haven't been beheaded yet Rindi:D

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Its against my law Bernard:D

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Well to quote a twenty year old Eat My Shorts:D

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Someone asked if I could come on here and defend the Government's decision on this. I cannot, in all honesty, do so.

This man applied for asylum here many years ago and was refused - at this point he should, in my opinion, have been deported back to Ethiopia where is a citizen. Instead, he was allowed to remain in the UK. He repaid our hospitality by visiting Afghanistan (why?) after the allied invasion and was arrested in Pakistan, apparently in the company of Jihadis. Whilst I certainly don't find what happened to him subsequently acceptable, I can see no reason why he should be allowed back into the UK. I understand that the Government are currently reveiwing his immigration status but I can see no reason why he cannot be removed to his country of nationality.

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thanks fer the response greg.

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Good post, Greg and I agree with what you're saying. It's a pity that more mainstream politicians either don't have these views, or are afraid to state them publicly, as their absence simply leaves the way open for right-wing extremists to exploit the situation.

However, I think you're being a little optimistic with your last statement. I'll bet you a pint of Black Sheep that he's still here in five years' time!

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Can't fault that reply Greg, at least you are in touch with what the most of Britain think on this issue. fair play to you:mosher:

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Well let's hope Greg's in a more prominent position to ensure it happens, perhaps in the Cabinet.:rolleyes:

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Thanks for the reply Greg, its just a shame the rest of the Government are not as in touch with reality as yourself.

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I take my hat off to Greg Pope for giving a straight forward answer to a straight forward question. It makes a welcome change from some of the cross party bickering we have witnessed in this forum recently. Anyone who applies for asylum or citizenship and doesn't get it should be returned to their native land ASAP.

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Happily for his constituents, as far as I can recall, it's happened every time a question has been asked of him here on Accy Web.

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Which in itself is really quite a remarkable feat, as the questions may be hidden anywhere on a thread, amongst the banal musings of the Trolls.:rolleyes:

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As long as you come out with a clean sheet..font of all knowledge...that is all right with me....trolls is your word not mine.
I still think your opinion sucks until you convince me different.
Pantomime dame is one thing but real life situations as far as the government is concerned, which you refuse to address is something quite different.
Go for it Rindi...make a real star of yourself and take on the real problems.
If you are able?

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Yet another post totally unconnected to the subject matter of the thread.

Who on earth mentioned you?

You're paranoid, or at the very least delusional.

Still, if the Troll hat fits, so be it.

You utterly bore me now, and are therefore going back on ignore, before you spoil anymore of my enjoyment of reading threads I happen to find very interesting.

Don't take anytime away from your busy and fulfilling life, by bothering to reply, for happily I shan't see it.

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Your choice...I am happy with my life....I think you have got problems.
But such is life. Mard arse............:)

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This is all very confusing ... if I were in govt. in Britain right now, and given the obvious overwhelming support for having this garbage shipped off to backwater that he was born in, I would most definitely take the minor risks involved and boot his ass out. A political party that doesn't take advantage of increase in popularity that such a move would generate doesn't deserve to be in power .... even in a fake democracy, the people should get what they want some of the time. Given the nature of the conflicts that terroism has generated, and given the fact that Britain in particular seems to bend over forwards to placate individuals who are, in fact, their sworn enemies, maybe it's time to get tough .... modify that old American bumper sticker slogan: make stickers, t-shirts etc. with a large Union Jack on them, and the words "Great Britain: If Your Heart's Not In It, Get Your Ass Out Of It.":mosher: Could be money in it for some forward thinking entrepreneurs.:rolleyes:

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And you could even spell "ass" English style with an "r" in it ... give it that old world feel;)

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And another poetic interlude: "Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n." (Milton.)

The more I think about it, the more I realize that Great Britain owns the world's richest poetic tradition.

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and probably the worlds richest pensioner.:(

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Cute ... I like it:D

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I'd like to pick up on this because it's so important and so relevant. Our major political parties desperately need to engage people on these issues, or the BNP will gain ground, for addressing issues that other parties dare not do. It's not racist to say that we should deport people, especially when their 'activities' are dubious to say the least. As for people asking why certain members haven't commented, I haven't commented thus far because I'm frankly, very very busy at the moment, I hadn't even read the thread until now.

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Just playing Devils Advocate here , Would it really be such a bad thing if the BNP got a few seats at Westminster , if only to show up the cant and hypocrisy of the other parties , maybe just to nudge the other parties to come up with something constructive instead of just playing tit for tat politics. :confused: :confused:

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Happily without proportional representation that remains unlikey.

Though they have won seats in local elections.

You'd think that fact would alert the major parties that the vast majority people in Britain don't give a toss about Sharia Law, as long as it doesn't become legal here. Much as the majority of Brits are happy to befriend anyone, unless they are using our democratic system in over to overthrow it, by whatever means, and all the while being funded by the British tax payer.

In busines the saying goes 'if you see a gap in the market, fill it'.

Main stream political parties haven't cottoned on to that yet, leaving the way open for the growth of the B.N.P. et al.

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i can easily accept yer very busy at the moment, though ya still find time to try to belittle a guy fer looking after a sick relation.:rolleyes:

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Cheap Shot Cashy.......:mad:

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yep i'm learning.:rolleyes:

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That's good coming from you, I've kept out of this thread for the simple reason I would just have had him shot so I'd nothing more to add to the thread until the Expat Spanish wannabee started his trolling yet again, what a prat.:(

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Keep learning that fast cashy and you'll be standing for election, Cashman for PM:mosher::D:D

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What time does your flight get in for the Meet tonight.:DI'll pick you up at the airport.:theband:

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Well done Neil I didn't know you'd booked a stand up Comedian, (is stand up the right description?).
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For heavans sake Less will you kill that flaming ant I keep scratching everytime I see your posts:D

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That is definitely off thread, I hope the original starter reports you for it!

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/avatar...ine=1210449961

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Thats just brought a smile back to my face Less:D

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interestingly i just read on Ceefax- British people have been careless with their Civil liberties,but that is begining to change, David Davies says, other speakers included former Guantanamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg, and liberty director Shami Chakrabarti, now from me thinking D.D. was just a nut, he now begins to worry me, with his strange bedfellows.:eek:

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Going back to the first post.. has this bloke done anything wrong in a legal sense ..has he commited a crime?... if suspected of commiting a crime then he can be held in custody legally ... for a start he can be held for the now 42 days without charge
the Tories do not agree and apposed the 42 days yet they swing about and cause aggro when they feel fit...

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Whether he's done something wrong or not is irrelevant.

His appeal to say here was thrown out years ago...just as he should have been.

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Not really..he was allowed to stay until 2004.. arrested in 2003...by American officers

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His asylum was first rejected in 1994.

He was allowed to stay to 'study'.

Funded by us all.