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Had we not took the action we did the area around the globe centre would today be an environmental disaster. Plus hundreds of new jobs were created

The point about the company director,I don't know who you are talking about.

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You don't know who I'm talking about, that's very interesting indeed and you've not mentioned the selling off of the Family Silver either

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All councils from time to time sell assets, in order that the capital receipt can be used to fund other projects.

As for the company director, it's difficult to comment if I don't know who you are talking about.

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Yes rather than just hinting at veiled corruption, name names.

It's not like you to be so bashful and coy.

If you're right you'll be fine, if not we'll have that talked about brew when I come to visit you in the clink.

:D

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neil i dont think we get value for money so maybe some proper effeciency savings and deliver the proper services we should get.

i wont be getting a pay rise this year so why should the council workers?

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If it's that interesting please name this person but do you realise you're going on about things that happened over 10 years ago again:rolleyes:

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If we're focusing on now, lets celebrate the returning to a healthy set of financial reserves. Lets celebrate that our council tax has gone up 50% less than the rest of the country while the Conservatives have been the controlling group of the borough.

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I am pleased you think it was a good idea that Labour put forward a properly costed budget - maybe you should pass on your views to Peter Britcliffe as yesterday he told Graham, Miles Parkinson and myself that it had been a waste of time - apparently we should just have put forward a list of suggestions. My answer was 'Damned if we do and damned if we don't'.

Maybe Peter felt that Clare stole some his his thunder on his 'big night' when he got to make a 25 minute speech.

Incidentally NO members of the council interrupted his speech, but Peter (and some of his colleagues) made several interruptions to Clare's excellent speech. It was during Clare's speech, when I was handing out some sheets with figures about the funding of the refurbishment of Oswaldtwistle Civic Theatre that he referred to me as 'That Woman'.

Regarding the supposed underfunding in government grant - where do you think the £8.70 million for the HMR programme comes from - Father Christmas? It is money from a Labour government delivered by Elevate to fund the Housing Market Renewal programme in West Accrington. What about the LEGI funding that is helping several local businesses ? The 2 Health Centres in Accrington (one of which is in my ward) and the proposed new Health Centre in Great Harwood (which Peter tried to claim as being his scheme).

Andrew all this money comes from a Labour Government, or have you conveniently forgotten. Would a Tory government fund Hyndburn as well - considering your national leader thinks people should not live in the north of England. I think the south would get a little too heavy and fall into the English Channel if everyone moved South.

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It's hard to even believe any of what you say when you're so focused on pushing your political agenda. You say things like David Cameron doesn't think anybody should live in the north, it's absolutely shameful, the lies you'll go to to try and get a hold of power.

I've been at council meetings where you've sat next to your pal Graham, who has been as rude as possible, interrupting other councillors and shouting out. For some reason you never came on AccringtonWeb to state it though. Wonder why?

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I understand your frustration and anger at not getting a pay rise this year, and would feel exactly the same if it was myself. But a there are other factors as well as staffing costs that effect whether Council Tax has to rise - the cost of gas/electric and fuel for vehicles plays a large part in determining the need for a rise in Council Tax. Council Taxpayers would be very unhappy if their rubbish was not collected because the Council ran out of money to pay for the fuel in the bin wagons. Also, as you are well aware because I am sure it has had a big impact on your own household bills- gas and electric prices have increased by a large amount in the last 12 months.

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Andrew - firstly you are very sadly mistaken if you think I sit next to Graham at Full Council meetings - because I don't. Graham sits on the Front Bench - opposite to Peter, and I sit on the second row in from the back of the chamber. So you have never - I repeat - never seen me sitting next to Graham at Full Council. At Cabinet meetings - there are occasions when I have sat next to Graham, but as far as I can remember I have never seen you at a Cabinet meeting.

As regards the speech by David Cameron -he made a speech in August 2008 (if my memory is correct ) about the people living in northern cities.

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My mistake, its hard to tell the difference between all you Labour councillors on the forum. Its clare pritchard who sits next to him. Either way hes very very rude.

I'm sure he did make a speech, he didn't say what you claim though.

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In August last year the Policy Exchange, the Conservative's favourite think-tank, published a report saying that Northern Cities were beyond saving.

Cameron immediately called the report 'barmy' but it clearly shows that muck sticks and that Cameron, whether he said it or not, or whether he agrees with it or not, is tarred with the same brush because of his party's closeness to the think tank.

I can only find the article in the Liverpool Echo.

Are the chinks showing in Cameron's armour? - Liverpool Echo.co.uk

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Claytonender, can you confirm that our government grant has gone up by less than average?

Authorities get grants, the government increases this yearly, and this Labour government have chosen to raise ours by far less than the national average, which means we are short changed. If they had just given us the average, we'd have a 0% council tax rise. Shame on Labour. Wheres Garinda when you need him to criticise them. :)

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Probably at the meet.

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As you keep reminding us Hyndburn council is not an average council hense we did not recieve an average grant.:)

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i understand that things have risen in price but there are lots of ways to save money for energy, why havent the council purchased lpg or gas powered vehicles? this has a cost saving over the life of the vehicle and excellent residule values when selling on.

my gripe is that all businesses are facing a reduction in income and we have to make savings where as the council just take and take and id like to see savings.

I agree with you wholeheartedly but unfortunately the budget for Hyndburn borough council is set by the controlling group. The independent councillor did suggest LPG vehicles. Our group (Labour) did want to cut spending on Flower towers etc which really are an extravagance in the current situation. Also, although it has been budgeted for an increase in staff wages this year it is not written in stone that there will be a local government pay increase in 2009.



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If the council start a run of savings people will still not be happy at where the savings are made. Services will be hit and there will be a backlash that will just spread. There needs to be a look at all expenditure and even out the cuts across the board so that impact is lessened and fallout kept to a minimum. The govenment will have to cut grants as the economic depair bites deeper.

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yep that is a good start to save money but i just wonder how much power does the council have over council tax rises ? is it just there choice? as it does seem a foolish decission since there has been a 71% increase in people claiming job seekers in hyndburn ..... or say it was reported

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id be a lot happier if it hadnt gone up

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Only the water part on mine will the Council Tax stays the same. Sadley though, even though its good in some ways its bad we dont have the services increase that we want even though we have more in our pockets.

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The figures people claiming Job seekers Allowance in Hyndburn (as of January 2009) are 1753 claiments, at the same time last year the figures were 1110. Personally I think seeing the actual figures rather rhan percentages makes more sense, becuse just seeing 71% would not tell you what it was a percentage of.

There is 3.6% of the working population of Hyndburn a
claiming Job seekers Allowance (the figure for Jan 2008 was 2.2%).

There is a report to HBC Cabinet, which is being hel next Wednesday 4 March. This is a link tot he breakdown of the figures- which shows the numbers in each ward of the borough. Unfortunately the 5 most deprived wards -Church, Spring Hill, Central, Peel, Barnfield have the highest percent unemployed, and Baxenden (which is the least deprived ward) the lowest.

This is a link to the report
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...arch_09_1_.pdf

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that makes more sense but is there a way to get how many are out of work i.e claiming jobseekers and other benefits or is that not possible?

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The figures on the report I gave the link for show actual claimant count as at Jan 2009 - in total for Hyndburn and broken down by ward.

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The councillor was George Slynn, and he was a director of Barnfield Construction plus other companies all registered at Companies House, I'm not saying that there was corrupt practices going on, but it does seem very strange that a councillor of Bernards standing (can never understand why he's never been the group leader) doesn't seem to know and it maybe just me but the leader of the council being a director of a company that was undertaking a lot of council work did not sit well with me.

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I think that you may just think about percentages the way that I do claytonender, they can be very misleading, I once remember somebody stating that their organisations membership had taken off over 12 month period, membership had increased by150% there used to be two of them now there are 5:D

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I just wonder if this only happens in hyndburn, and with only one political party, I would guess not, perhaps someone who has time should look at how many councillors etc are directors of companies carrying out work for council/government, I for one think the eaga grants money is lining the pockets of people that would maybe cause concern, I have no proof of this, it is an assumption, it is sad that we think in this way, but it is after all the way we have learned to think as a direct result of political corruption/greed.

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It's not just direct involvement though. There's a lot of who you know not what you know goes on in all walks of life, politics and big business is probably the biggest 'gainer' of all though. :rolleyes:

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Agreed lancsdave, which makes the bickering, laying of blame, accusations and insults within this thread more laughable, methinks there are NO politicians who give 100% to the job, or are 100% honest. Im sure you know very well the other word for politics, a clue? It begins with B and ends in s or x depending on your preference!

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I do know because it's already been mentioned in this thread or a similar thread......... Biscuits :D

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Ah! Or bix? yes of course, knew you would know! :D

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I think you will find that most of the companies where Joint Venture Companies, between in this case Barnfield Construction and the Council.

Over the years there have been several joint venture companies that the council has, and still is involved with

They were set up as means of bringing investment into the borough. It was also at a time when the Government was encouraging closer co-operation between local authorities and the private sector.

It was normal procedure for the council to appoint councillors to serve on the joint venture company. But there was defiantly no remuneration for the councillors involved.

There are also other limited companies that councillors get appointed too, mainly charities. But again no remuneration for the councillors involved.

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Just as an aside to this - last year the Council gave a youth drama project affiliated with Oswaldtwistle Players some funding. As a gesture of thanks, Oswaldtwistle Players committee sent the council via Cllr Britcliffe some free tickets for the next show.

He came to see the show and brought with him a personal cheque to cover the cost of the tickets that he'd used.

Now, I know that the £20 for tickets for an Ossy Players show doesn't compare with the value of tickets given to the council for Acc Stan - but does show that Peter was completely above board with everything and didn't take advantage of the fact that the Council had given a grant.

Just thought I'd post something to show him in a good light.

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Are these forms filled out by Councillors or Council Officers?

If Officers, how would it have been different under a Labour Council?

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well fair play on that score, ya never said gayle though,was graham with him?:D

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I doubt they were sat on the back row together holding hands and swapping spit :rolleyes::D

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Where were they sitting then?

:D

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I presume officers. Over the years the council has put in bids for lots of different types of funding. Competition is keen for this funding, and the council should not be failing at the first hurdle because the form was filled in incorrectly.

I mention it only to demonstrate that the council in my view is getting a bit sloppy. Would it have been any different under a labour council. I like to think it would be.

I think that there is a touch of complacency at the moment, and the forms being filled in wrongly is in my view symptomatic of this.

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I was not there and they were not either, it was humour or at least an attempt at it, next time I am being funny I will warn you :p

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perhaps you need warning also mate, rindy was being sarky. hence:D

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I still can't get my head round this B, Barnfield construction wasn't a company set up just as a joint venture company, it was undertaking work outside HBC too, yet George was a director, I'm not say that there was anything untoward or that he was paid anything and the company is still trading as far as I know. There is a case today with Hyndburn Homes, of which PB as far as I'm aware is on the board, but not as PB but as Leader of the Council, which would change if the leader changed

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My knowledge is limited to the workings of the various joint venture companies with the council.

As for whether George was a director of Barnfield Construction ,you would have to ask George on that one.

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Once again you have shamelessly misled AccyWeb members. Government grants have gone up over the last few years by substantially more than inflation.

The Council received for the 4th year a top up of £2.1m capital to spend on what ever the Council wants. Plus £1.3m Worklessness fund extra, on top of all the other Gov't funding.

The Council has lost 200k for concessionary travel by overpayment. Money lost. If we had watched the money carefully, we could have set a minus Council Tax.

So on balance The Council has benefited significantly from Government, this year and every year.

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Yes we get it, government put money in. They haven't increased it in line with the national average though. Hyndburn just got forgotten about when they were dishing out increases it seems, so Hyndburn council itself has to make up the shortfall.

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Can you 2 please agree to disagree you are like 2 rutting deer!

Anyone who reads any info draws their own conclusions and there will nevere be a right or wrong interpritation. There is always going to be disagreement over this kind of info so maybe its best to let everyone draw their own conclusions without it turning into a war of words.

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Are you sure you weren't a politician in another life Spugs, think that's the best post of the whole thread, karma on its way pal :mosher::mosher::mosher:

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Dont encourage him jaysay .. next thing he'll be standing for Falkirk Council and want me to go and sort his campaign out!!!!:rolleyes::D

I am sure you will run a great election campaign for him.




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Yeah but you would all miss me down here for Haslingden ......

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Government Grants have gone up every year dramatically. The main current (revenue) account has gone up dramatically too. This year however it WAS below inflation increase BUT that is changing with the economy and it will be be either in line with costs OR we will receive below costs. The first year we have been funded less than inflation ON OUR CURRENT ACCOUNT.

BETWEEN.... 0.5% underfunding = £50,000, 1% = £100,000 The Tories lost £200,000+ plus on mismanaging Concessionary Fares.

ON OUR CAPITAL ACCOUNT we have gone from 30 years of nothing to £2.5m average for 4 years. AN INCREASE OF £2.5 MILLION PER YEAR

ALSO BOOSTING OUR CAPITAL & REVENUE ACCOUNTS

We have received over 3 years (YEAR 2) £4 Million worklessness fund WHICH THE COUNCIL (Shamelessly) IS BRAGGING ABOUT.

WE RECEIVED £8.5 MILLION ELEVATE FUNDING THIS YEAR. Under Cameron we received NOTHING and he said he does not like Northern Housing Schemes.

Is that clear?

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Graham, should you be getting all worked up about this on your birthday?? Shouldn't you be in the pub or getting ready to go out for a nice, relaxed meal with your missus?

I sometimes think that maybe you (and AndrewB) are just letting politics take over your lives to the exclusion of all else. I remember once upon a time when you used to post in the music and football forums. But no more...now it's politics all the way.

I know you'll always be a political animal, but there are other things in life too, you know! :cool:

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Another good post Wynonie, I woke up and smelt the coffee a long time ago :):cool:

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In 2008/09, the Council's budget was £15,097. This year it will be £15,427. This is an increase in our spend of only 2.2%. The reason why our precept is to increase by 4.95% is because Government funding to the Council has only been increased by 1.5% and the rest of the money has to be found from the local taxpayer. If the Government had given us the amount it has claimed in the national press, it would have been possible to set a zero percent increase this year in Hyndburn.

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These are the facts, you can now argue over them as much as you wish but it won't alter the figures.

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It's a politicians game....always find someone else to take the blame.
Must take my anti-cynical pills soon.

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We have an `Introduce Yourself ` section you know......?

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Budget for what though?

Running costs and expenses?

Surely the money spent on policies will be many times that figure.

Welcome, by the way.

It'll be nice to have some balance on here...whoever you are.

:)

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Thats not even going to cover expenses :rolleyes:

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Well there are at least three Labour councillors on here, and since you've confirmed it is Cllr. Britcliffe, that does add a little balance to the proceedings here on Accy Web. Him being the only known Conservative councillor to grace us with his presence.

Perhaps it was you labelling this forum as a place of 'vile and vicious insults' in the local press, that eventually attracted him.

Though of course there are penalties on here for calling someone a 'silly cow' on here, unlike council chambers, in the form of the karma system.

:D

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Actually there are four other councillors on here, from Labour.

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No one ever denied we only got 1.5 but we have averaged over 5% for 7 or 8 years. So the money is in the bank and no matter how low this year there are simply no excuses. Other government grants have rocketed. To say we are shortchanged is just telling the public pork pies in the face of facts, not opinion.

One fraction of one budget in one year is a pathetic excuse. See figures posted on of 11. Its 50k at most AND that included wage inflation which islikeky to be much smaller. Its ridiculous Especially when those are comllaining about government cuts are spending government money in the £millions in other budhgets and telling the public its "the biggest spending programme ever". You have to look at the overall pitcture to give an honest opinion.

Glad we have managed to get the Leaders Office into an open public debate.


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I am down at the Cheltenham Festival with my life long friends. Politics is on the back burner. Having a lovely time. Got a 6 berth luxury motorhome we are sharing as we' re on a budget.

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Make sure you keep any receipts for hot dogs or cans of coke.:D

The Cheltenham Festival is clearly of huge signifance to the Borough and I think Bollinger is what is accepted as the usual drink here! Where's my ex's form???? LOL

If its good enough for Alan Brazil its good enough for me.
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They are not facts, they are as usual twisted facts or rubbish in normal parlence. See previous post about income and expenditure. AND b) stop wasting money. That will keep Council Tax Down.





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It's interesting that Peter has chosen to post on Accy Web. Before the Council Meeting we had a short discussion about Accy Web.

Now that Accy Web has got Peter's attention, somebody might want to ask him why Conservative Blackburn has come in with a lower council tax rise, than Conservative Hyndburn. I tried to ask him at full council, but I didn't get the chance

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Maybe that's it? One missive and no more to say. Or maybe he hasn't a pc at home?:rolleyes:

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its not the arguing of the facts that should concern folk, but the possible "Misleading" of em.:rolleyes:

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Perhaps the debate, or argument as you put it, can continue if we knew the actual facts.

You mentioned that last year, 2008/09, H.B.C.'s budget was '£15,097.' Which to anyone able to read English, reads as fifteen thousand and ninety seven pounds, and which is why I asked if it was the running costs and/or expenses, as I'm sure the flower towers alone cost more than that.

Since my question hasn't yet been answered I did a little research, and found out the boroughs budget for that particular year was actually £15,097,845. Or in layman's terms, fifteen million and just short of a hundred grand.

If what you wrote was indeed millions, rather than thousands of pounds, don't worry too much about making a boo-boo in your first ever post, as mistakes are easily made, but it does rather muddy an already rather confusing subject, when really dealing with council tax payer's money the devil should be in the detail.

I'm just glad you never taught me mathematics at Moor End.

Mr Ryan made sure we all knew where the commas and decimal points went, when dealing with those awfully big numbers.

Still, it's only tax payers money, so what's the odd thousand or million pound between friends?

:rolleyes::D

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its a pity our anonymous leader didn't come on with his first post,to explain n justify,why he needs higher expenses than the independent panel thought he should have, or does he think ratepayers don't really care?:rolleyes:

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Perhaps he just hasn't seen that thread.:rolleyes:

Perhaps if we helpfully add a link to this thread it might illicit a response?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...and-45105.html

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I see my predictions have come true. Does seeing into the future make me a prophet or something?
Anyone want to know tomorrow nights 6 numbers? :rolleyes::D

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I have deleted the comments and name calling and chat can we now keep to the topic thanks

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Well Rindi seeing you keep dragging up the "Silly Cow Gate" it may just be, that like myself Peter has a long memory. The first election count I attended when I returned from exile in Rossendale was the 1986 council elections, in those days the Ossy count was in the Civic Theatre. You may remember those election were just after the Americans Bombed Libya, using out airfields, and there was a backlash at the poles. The Tories had a councillor in Immanuel Ward called Monica Browning, who was an elderly lady ho had been an excellent ward councillor, but unfortunately she lost he seat. In those days it was traditional for candidate to shake hands after the count, Monica was try to do just that we she was accosted by a labour supporter standing next to their winning candidate, but before she could offer her congratulations to the victor, this so called supporter stepped in front of her and said, and I quote "F OFF YOU DRIED UP OLD COW. I decided there and then that I would never attend another count as I really couldn't be responsible for my actions. That is when I lost all respect for these so called politicians, who certainly should never be put in the same category as genuine Labour people such as Ken Curtis, Jack Grime, Len Dickinson, Bill Pinder and in deed Bernard Dawson and that genre

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That of course isn't acceptable at all, but it seems like another case, of which we've seen quite a few examples of recently, of two wrongs making a right.

They don't.

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Sadly still no confirmation that H.B.C.'s budget for 2008/09 was actually £15,000,000. and odd, rather than £15,000. and odd.

:rolleyes::confused::rolleyes:

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Don't sweat about it, Rindi; I'm sure we will see alot more of the Dear Leader on here and no doubt he will clear up the numbers for you. I suspect he was just testing the water with his post, because if the Observer does go all the way down the pan then he will need somewhere else to spout his views.

Anyway, I'd better not say too much because my good friend Mick will be out with the airbrush again:)

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Does'nt take rocket science to work that out.
Whoever it was has posted once and I must say I'm not surprised that there has been no more postings.

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No Tealeaf he was just winding the natives up:D

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Yea there's nothing like a mistake to wind us up.:rolleyes:

Even such a basic one that a five year old might have made, about not knowing where a decimal point goes in a number.

Still it's good to know we have someone in charge who's so laissez faire when it comes to money, especially if it's only tax payer's money.

Hardly cutting edge debate though, is it?

Will he be back to confirm he posted in thousands rather than millions?

I can now begin to understand why the £591,000. the council was given to start a coummunity website failed so miserably.:rolleyes:

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You just don't get it do you Rindi, and I thought you were intelligent, well no , I know your intelligent, you really do have to pop into full council meeting a witness for your self just how easy Peter winds Jonesy up, Peter knows just which buttons to push to send him over the edge. :dummy: :D:D:D

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He made a mistake, end of, we all make them you should know that.:):)

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It's just a game to him why can he not work with other people???:(

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Oh I get it, as does everyone else now, who has the ability to read.;)

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Is this our esteemed leader we are talking about, or a ten year old child?? :confused::)

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Quite often (well most of the time) our 'esteemed leader' does give the impression that he is a 10 year old child - and a child who has problems knowing what is truth and what is pure fabrication. Well why should the truth get in the way of a good headline.

(And I do not mean Graham Jones)

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:rolleyes:Funny that claytonender, I feel sorry for you, the sooner you get rid of Jones you may just progress as a party, but toddying up to him just feeds his already over inflated ego, you just can't see it can you Graham loves himself, and you lot fall for it Hook Line and Sinker, ask David Miles, and Hyndburn :rolleyes:

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I think you are all taking lessons from your esteemed premier and his henchmen who are not fit to run a nursery school.

Baby house comes to mind.

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Ask Hyndburn? you mean the public. That means me then, surely?

Sorry to inform you Jaysay, some of us have minds of our own and don't need you to tell us whether we are being taken in or not, we make our own decisions on what we see, And I know what I see in the tory council and in particular PB. And by the way you did a good job in your other post of showing how pathetic he can be. nice one. :D

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Been to many council meetings lately? Thought not, what do you know!!!

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Was just going to say the same thing!

Also, when was the last time you saw PB in action in any respect? :)

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Luckily, unlike you, I have the ability to read and digest what is being discussed on this forum.
Have you been to any council meetings at all? you are nearer than me?
Park your wheelbarrow for a short time, read and digest all that is being said and if you have a constructive comment, I am sure we will al take note. :)

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Well caz I'm not actually say the Peter is the best leader that HBC has ever had but he's in the top one:D and he's coming up for ten years in the job too,:D seems like Hyndburn agrees with me too overall:p

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And reading and "digesting" tells it all does it? You are obviously only digesting the bits you want to then.

First hand experience can not be bettered, in any situation. :)

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But for how long? Sure some people are getting wise now. Then we just have to sort out those people who don't vote local coz they think it doesn't matter, don't we. ;):D

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All we have been subjected to is ranting Labour Councillors and a tub thumping supporter who comes across as someone who has a pet hate in life.
It is no wonder that the electorate have lost faith in politics, lets not forget that half of the electorate dont understand what is going on anyway no matter what is spewed out in local propaganda and a good percentage can't read it anyway.
There must be other way's to get your message across.....I read the local and national press and form my opinion from what I read...I have been educated to the point where I can determine who is the goody and who is the villain.

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Well all I can say is that we must have had some real dross in the past.
How come I don't remember them?
And I really don't think that a lot of people in Hyndburn give a flying fig for politics. Just because some chap gets into office doesn't necessarily mean that all of Hyndburn like him......it just means that his supporters got the old dollies to the polling booths....and they voted for the someone that they knew(rather than the best chap for the job).

It is time he moved over and gave someone else a shot. I don't think they could do a worse job.

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If Hyndburn agreed with you Greg Pope would not be our MP, simple really.

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well perhaps not Bagpuss.....Local politics is a different bird to national politics.

I certainly view them differently anyway.

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I am sure many people could do a better job, after all there is always someone more intelligent and better at things than all of us (if that makes sense).

I do though think that most people would make a worse job of it than him at the moment. I think the Tories would be in a mess without PB and I don't think the Labour Councillors are in a good position to run the Council at the moment, there is from what I hear still a lot of unrest in the ranks.

I think Graham is a decent bloke who has good ideas, he is keen and willing and appears to put a lot of time into being a Councillor, I just don't think he is right to be leader of the Council yet. If Labour don't have a leader I think can run the show that only leaves one option.

Please flame me at your pleasure :D:D:D