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Labour's budget defeated. 2.9%. Conservatives passed 4.9%
A long list of Government funded announcements.
Councils Finances Long Term financial outlook poor (surviving off Govt handouts)

From our view;
• Velco fastened recycled bags are to be introduced (Labour idea taken on by Conservatives) We reduced costs from £150,000 to £38,000
• Working Mens Clubs and Cricket Clubs to receive 80% rate relief. £10,000
• Labour Councillors (independent) Neighbourhood Management projects to take over failing Area Councils

I make this point because Jaysay and AndrewB howl we don't contribute which has never been true. Again 'the race to the bottom' they try to promote.

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I think we should all feel very special that Hyndburn needs a rise 1.9% above national average, must be because we all have lavish lifestyles and can afford it :rolleyes:

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If anyone would like a copy of the Labour budget and speech - just send me a PM.

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[quote=g jones;685926]

From our view;
• Velco fastened recycled bags are to be introduced (Labour idea taken on by Conservatives) We reduced costs from £150,000 to £38,000quote]


About Bloody time..............No matter who`s idea it was( although i DID think of it ages ago)

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i dont want a velcro fastened recycling bag!! i want a wheelie bin like blackburn have!!

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Well we are never getting that...i`ve been emailing them for ever about that.....Rossendale have them as well........:rolleyes:

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how does it save money giving us something that will probably blow away on bin day anyway?

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It was recycling day here today but because it is more convenient for me to use my blue box for cans, (I put the box outside, the blue sack just blows away and sprinkles cans everywhere), I got yet another letter through the door telling me I'm a very naughty boy.

Yeah right, look at it from my point of view it takes two months for me to fill so if you don't want to deal with a little inconvenience it can always go into my wheelie bin my contribution won't make much difference but at least you can see everything in the blue box!
:tongueout

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I always put plastic and tins together in my blue boxes and nowt has ever been said, i refuse to use the bags.............load of rubbish.

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its not rubbish.... its recycling, theres a difference :D

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No it's the truth, would I lie to you?

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Someone said they were selling hot dogs and cans of Coke in the public seating area.

:D

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To be honest the thought crossed my mind as i was hungrey even so it would have been nice to have tea and buiscuits first meeting i have attended where they are not put on.:)

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Sorry to disappoint you but they didn't. I did get a full carafe of water all to myself though.:)

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[QUOTE=pipinfort;686090]Unfortunately the bags will only be issued in Central ward (thats what Peter Britcliffe said last night)- as a pilot scheme.
Speaking personally -I live at the top of a cul-de-sac and am fed up when it is windy on recycling day having a load of the cans and plastic bottles ending up in my front garden.
The labour proposals were for the bags to be delivered all over the borough.

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We also proposede a new dog warden but evidently Peter Britcliffe and the rest of his gang are the only people in the borough who don't think we need one. We're knee deep in dog crap !!!

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god I'm so tired I can't even spell I, of course, meant to say proposed

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There is a hell of lot of bullsh1t too.:eek:

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I think you are right. We are just not used to having many people sat up in the gallery.

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Surely the cost for tea and biscuits would come out of out council tax? will take a flask when I go

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have they listed that in expenses, i dont remember seeing it!

do all the councilliors get to have a biscuit and a brew in their expenses or do they have to pay for any extra brews and biscuits they may wish to drink.... its important, we need to know

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The blue bags are errrrm, not very good, the collectors lose half the contents down the street and dont bother to pick it back up, then throw the bag into the garden, so you can collect it from the fence, or never see it again, depending how strong the wind is!

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You will have Garinda in a state of shock....and convulsions may follow. :)

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I think we could manage a brew, without having to resort to a supplementary rate demand.

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Will keep you to that BD when I go next. :D

Seriously though, why should tea and biscuits be provided, the issue is a budget to save money surely? If Labour councillors can make do with water, so can I.

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Do you mean tap water or bottled water?
A cup of tea may save taxpayers money if you opt for the latter?

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No shall take my own Roy....

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Wouldn't expect to go to a meeting and expect to be fed and watered at the tax payers expense

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Good on Ya.....that will keep the Prince of Clowns happy. :)

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I take it you are referring to Britcliffe?

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just trying to set him an example, is all.

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No......this one:eek:

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Funny I should assume you meant PB then. :D:D:D

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He only ever talks about one person, obsessively :rolleyes:

Makes you wonder what the rest of us have to do to get some attention :D

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If you are really good I will arrange for you to have a glass of water.

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Lol, just annoy him now and again when rindy's offline. :D

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Tap water please, can't be doing with that bottled stuff. :)

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When we are at meetings we do get to have brews but have to provide the biscuits ourselves. Nick Collinridge and I have taken turns to provide biscuits at Overview and Scrutiny meetings. I hasten to add at our own expense not reclaimed from expenses.

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thanks :D



i was being silly, sorry :o

it was a dig at the expenses thread and having account for every little thing in detail.

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It is tap water. :)

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Supporting Burnley may be a start.....If you had been subjected to his constant references to a past thread you would no doubt have reacted in the same way.
We cant all be as smart and worldly wise as you, now can we?

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I know you were - it was a bit of a standing joke at Overview and Scrutiny why there were never any biscuits, so at a meeting earlier this year I brought some and Nick then brought some to the meeting last Monday. By the way we are still waiting for the Tory members to return the favour.
:D

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[QUOTE=claytonender;686224]When we are at meetings we do get to have brews but have to provide the biscuits ourselves. Nick Collinridge and I have taken turns to provide biscuits at Overview and Scrutiny meetings. I hasten to add at our own expense not reclaimed from expenses.[/QUOTI

I wondered where they came from. If I had known I would have had two.

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to be fair i think its disgusting having a council tax rise this year, my budget has been cut in line with the projected deflation so i have to make savings and streamline even more... are the council not capable of this ?

can someone who sits on the council ask why we need an increase and why we couldnt have a freeze?

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Don't worry dear...on or off line, to me his posturing, tantrums and high handed attitude strike a nerve.
Not all of us are taken in. :)
I forgot KOW TOW. Yes sir no sir three bags full sir.

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And neither are a lot of us, dear, by your reciprocal posts. :)

glad he touches a nerve, by the way.

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Suit yourself flower :D

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mr jones i think you or jack straw if you told me it was dark outside i would have to go and have a look. it is now 21-54 and it is dark.

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I certainly will, FLOWER, not like some who post who haven't got a clue where they are coming from, why don't you take them to task, FLOWER????

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Let them cut their own throat, why should I be involved?
Dont take offence at what I post....to you it is banter to others it is in reply to smart arsed comments which need addressing. :)

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I for one will cheer when you STOP being offensive:p

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It aint banter to me, I despise being called flower, especially by someone who does not know me, I am intelligent enough to see that as a disparaging word in this context.
Instead of replying to what you refer to as smart arsed comments, why don't you look a little deeper, and rid us (and others)of the profuse inanity which has overtaken some serious threads of late. I'm sure you understand my issue here....:)

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An interesting post concerning Labours budget proposals turns, within four pages into a heated debate over who pays for councillors biscuits. Who say local politics is dead! Good work everybody:D

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Oh my god, I'm in serious trouble. I'm a Labour Councillor AND a season ticket holder on the beloved Turf, I'm really up for the chop aren't I?

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I understand the issue without reservation....The country is in a mess thanks to our overlords which our local dictats are at pains to overlook.
Your issue is about a few bob...look at the overall picture and get real.
Your children and mine are in for a real testing time in the years ahead due to the current cock ups of the current government.
You can pour praise on the local politicians all you like and I admire that,
but in the end the government will put two fingers up and say 'who are they' ?

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You've missed my point re my last post totally, Roy. :rolleyes:

PM sent

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Margrit....when you get up in the morning look in the mirror and ask yourself....'Mirror Mirror on the Wall' when did I last respond to Royboy without cutting comments? children should be seen but not heard. :)

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You get my vote :D

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Yes Royboy I guess you did miss the point here, Why dont you look a little deeper still and im sure that you will clearly understand the issue here and whats really happening.:)

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Royboy when you recover from your rum soaked hangover tomorrow,
ask yourself 'What do I do to cause so many people so much offence?'
This post can't have a smiley because I can't find one which depicts -'cringe'

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nowt wrong with that :D

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I'm sure he would TD. :):)

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It's a great pity that you don't take a leaf out of your colleague, Councilllor Dawson's book and support your local club.

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wyn yer wasting yer time, sense n dingle do not compute NO-WAY.:D;)

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I'm saying nowt...I might want a T-shirt printing some day! ;)

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Thankfully I can't see certain member's post anymore, but I can take a guess at who is being referred to.

Can it still really be going on, eighteen months after it was first mentioned in this thread?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ers-31990.html

At least my obsessions have a reasoning to them...greed and arrogance being the main two.
Which neatly brings us back on thread.:D

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Yes it's still going on Rindy, He referred to the "prince of clowns" I think it was, and naive me thought he was referring to PB

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You can't miss out on royboys posts...It's fun! :D

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I notice you neglected to inform people how your Labour government are failing to fund Hyndburn properly. If they'd increased our grant by the average amount across the country, we'd probably be enjoying a 0% council tax increase. Never mind though, don't let the truth get in the way of a good bashing of the Conservatives eh. :rolleyes:

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No seriously I can. Quite happily. For the reason being his trolling bores me, and is in danger of spoiling subjects I care dearly about, and for that reason he's on 'ignore' for a very long time to come.:)

His ramblings become more and more bizarre, the more alcohol is consumed.

They say a little learning is a dangerous thing. I'd say doubly so when mixed with a lot of alcohol.

He takes banality to almost a level worthy of being considered an art form, and we all know what sort of artist that makes him.;)

:D

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Try buying everyone biscuits, it might just save you. ;)

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How would you like to manage that?
No pay rise for council employees?
Redundancies?
Reduction of services?
Neglect further our towns, parks and open spaces?

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Andrew do you think it was a good idea for the Labour Group to present a fully costed Budget (which was fully checked by the Chief Finance Officer).

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Why should she. She is totally free to support whichever team she wants too. I already thing the Council support Accy Stanley enough - after all why should my Council Tax be spent on a private business?

I would rather see the market stall holders being helped with there rents to try and save the town centre.

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The whole of Hyndburn's already supporting Accy Stanley, a privately owned company, to the tune of £80,000.;)

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I do and I liked the idea of another Dog Warden.

I would like to have seen a few more hands on staff in the parks department as well so we can maintain and improve our green spaces in Hyndburn.

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i wouldnt have a problem with that especialy those that screw up then blame you for not handing in paper work when you have or give out wrong advice which later leaves you in rent arrears or even the old classic where they have made a miscalculation in your council tax and you have to find £200 to be paid within 7 days of recieving this letter or the bailifs will be called or how about the binmen that cant take a bin 10 yards without spilling half its contents or operators in their call center that answer your call but dont realise then after 40 mins waiting all you hear is them yapping about what there doing at the weekend because they dont know your there ...


yes i know theres a lot of or's there and im pretty sure others could add many so as i said earlier i could quite easily live with council employees not getting a payrise , its not as though they are been paid minimum wage is it and from what i know of wages from councils they are pretty damn good anyway so people wouldnt starve

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Of course I think it was a good idea, after the shambles of a budget last year. I think its a shambles that Labour are not funding us properly by government grants. We could have had a council tax freeze if they had increased our grant in line with the national average.

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A budget that included £75,000 from balances, unfortunately the last time your mob were in power they left a budget deficit so you wouldn't have had anything to borrow from its easy to put out a cheaper budget out of somebody else's savings, but that's what Labour do

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I am not quite sure what you mean by a budget deficit. In local government finance, budgets have to balance. It's a legal requirement. Also the minimum amount of balances any council carries is set independently.

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Lets put it this way Bernard the coffers weren't exactly overflowing with milk and honey were they, after the cock up with scraping the works department and using none existent rebates, since them they only way was up which has been document by the audit commision. It really speaks a lot about the Labour council from 1986 to 2000 does't those great achievers as Jones keeps telling us, they only thing that kept Labour in control was an unpopular Toy Government not a well run Labour council, which was demonstrated by the fact that from 1997 to 2000 (three elections) turned a 44 to 3 Labour Council to loosing control to the Tories

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Because Stanley is one of the things that this borough is famous for, not just in this country, but all over the world, and, as such, deserves the support of the council. Other councils see their local football league club as a great asset and support and cherish it accordingly. As for Councillor Pritchard, she represents the borough, therefore she should show an interest in and make a show of support of its football club, even if it's just as a "second club" to the one she has chosen to follow.

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did boundry changes have any bearing on this?

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I not sure which audit report you have reading,but the last few have been quite critical. There is a still a fair number of auditors recommendations that have still to be acted upon.

Graham was right about the success under Labour. The globe, which created 600 jobs. Previous to that the Globe had become a derelict building

You could also add the building up of the industrial estates, Huncoat and Altham being two of them.

The whole area of replacing unfit housing in the borough started under a labour council.

I am not suggesting that we didn't make mistakes, we did make mistakes. But we got a lot of things right as well.

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Do pray tell where the money came from for the Globe Centre, to refurbish a building to house 600 jobs, not create and it might be an idea to tell us which Labour councillors was a director of round 6 companies (registered with companies house) who were engaged in doing work for HBC.

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Sucks in spit .. :eek:

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The money came from a successful Single Regeneration Bid. To get the money we had to demonstrate that the majority of the jobs at the globe would be new jobs. We where also competing with local authorities from all over the country to secure the bid for Hyndburn.

I would just point out also that the council recently has missed out on the chance of much needed external funding, because apparently the form wasn't filled in correctly.

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could i please have n answer to this? was abroad at that time of changeover n have no idea.:)

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To an extent boundary changes played a part. There were other factors as well. One being we reduced the number of councillors, which tended to help the Tories.

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thanks fer the answer bernard, i'm one who thinks ALL factors should be considered.:)

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What about all the silverware that was sold of to be sacrificed on the altar of the globe centre, and you convieniently forgot about my quesion about the company director:confused:

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Boundry changes didn't happen unil 2002 when all the council were up for election because the council was reduced from 47 to 35 councllors, labour took cotrol at tha election, but the Tories regained control 12 months later

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I have no interest in what Labour or Tories did 10 years ago, why do you Jaysay keeping harping back to those days. My interest is now and I think the present council are making a hash of it. Can we please stick with current events and how we can make it better for all of us.

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cos i asked a question baggy, didn't know cos i lived abroad then.:)

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John

If you'd actually seen a copy of the budget from Thursday you would have seen that we took NO money from reserves but I did really enjoy all the "LABOUR RAIDING THE PIGGY BANK" speeches that Peter had written for his cronies to bash me with, such a pity they didn't do their homework and CHECK THEIR FACTS !!!!! P.S I wish ASFC all the best of luck but I've supported Burnley all my life and I'm not a hypocrite, by the way I do go onto Stanley when I get a chance (probably 3 or 4 times a season) and before you ask, yes I do pay, I've never used the season tickets from the council

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I agree.

We keep getting told the new Tory-Lite brand is nothing like the Conservative party of old. Just as New Labour ditched the ideals of socialism long ago in order to appeal to Middle England.

It's the situation here and now that is the most pressing concern here in Hyndburn.

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How many of those are there?

Were they in existence before the recent £80,000 funding the council gave to the club?

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I know you asked the question in this thread Cashy but the same stuff keeps appearing in more and more threads when someone is losing the arguement. It's a sign I know a lot about as I use the same tactics when discussing football with Man Utd fans but it always makes you look a prat.:(

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No, they are quite recent and there are 6 of them, including corporate hospitality.

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Nice.

Can't really be called a bung I suppose, but an interesting thing to ponder for the people of Hyndburn who might now be on short time or out of work, that they may be indirectly funding free season tickets, courtesy of £80,000 worth of their Council Tax, when they are having to explain to their kids why they can't take them to see their favourite team.