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Not quite

Labour don't do devolution anyway.

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The Scottish Labour Party might have sympathy with your point. Given Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have must greater autonomy and Regional Councils were proposed instead of Regional Quango's I can't quite see where your evidence is coming from.

In Hyndburn Labour has pioneered Neighbourhood Management and the public have rejected Area Councils in favour of NM as a model of local democracy. Again I must be missing something because I don't see what you see.

Not picking at you, just saying what I see.

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I just remember LCC recently taking back control of Highways after previously devolving the control to Hyndburn. Am I wrong in thinking Highways was devolved to Hyndburn?

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I think the absolute fiasco at yesterday's cabinet meeting was probably due to Peter not liking which chair you were sat in Bernard. :D

Come to think of it, Peter probably thought that all four of us should probably have been sat somewhere else in the building other than in the QE room.

Todays reconvened Cabinet was even more of a farce - Peter arrived 5 minutes late and galloped through the other 9 reports of the agenda in the next 5 minutes. If we had wanted to speak on any item - by the time he acknowleged we had our hands up, the meeting would have been 4 or 5 reports further on than.

It really is great seeing democracy at work. :rolleyes:

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No you are quite right. The reason it was taken back though was it was a failing service. eg. Gullies to be emptied 4 times a year on main roads, once a year elsewhere. None of this was happening.

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So instead of sacking the incompetent staff who were allowing the department to fail I suspect they moved them back from Hyndburn to LCC to carry on as if nothing had happened.

If LCC were committed to devolved power should they not have assisted Hyndburn solve there issues and not just take it from them?

This is the problem with Council's. The staff don't appear to be held accountable for there actions, or more likely lack of action.

If the same thing happens where I work someone would have been out of a job. One of the top managers parted company with us only a few months ago as it was decided he did not fit in with the current working strategy. He was replaced shortly afterwards with a new chap.

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You have a very short memory:D :rolleyes:

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Those responsible were sacked. Hyndburn Borough Council. They had been syphoning money out and not supervising the work correctly.

When they lost the contract Brian Walmsely said LCC were taking £45,000? out of the Council Budget. Of course this was an admission they had been cross subsidising other services (siphoning off).

The works dept at election times were inundated with demands from certain areas. From 3 gully wagons the Council left themselves with one broken down one (18 weeks is al they got out of it in 2006 - spent more on repairs) and had to pay a private firm from Lancaster to empty the gullies but they had no chance of meeting their contractual obligations.

Road maintenance wasn't really being supervised and street lighting was a poor service. These have both improved dramatically under LCC and staff in the department are a lot happier (to be working for LCC instead) when you speak to them.

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So who was sacked for the poor service then?

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I think if you read Graham's reply you will see that LCC sacked Hyndburn Borough Council because LCC had been giving the money to HBC to provide the Highways maintenance and HBC had been using some of the money to subsdise other areas of their expenditure. Graham quoted Brian Walmsley as saying a figure had been taken out of HBC's budget by LCC taking the service back in house.

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I doubt anyone was actually sacked just HBC lost the contract.

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Should LCC not have assisted HBC with there problems instead of just pulling the rug out from under them?
Or did LCC just not like having control over what was done and where with highways issues?

I would be more interested to understand who it was that decided to spend the money on something other than Highways and what the agreements were between LCC and HBC.

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HBC did not have the contract for doing the work for LCC. It was a devolution of power from LCC to HBC.

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If HBC where receiving money for work to be done I would call that a contract.

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Councillors. District ones !

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That is spot on. Neil used the word 'sacked' but it was actually a loss of contract and the transfer of workers.

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No it wasn't it was a contractual arrangement. Workers were tupe'd from HBC to LCC when LCC took the contract back in house.

LCC have promised over 10 years they will clear the gully backlog.

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No it is not suppose to work like that. HBC were supposed to manage the highways. Devolution is not like a contractor doing work for LCC.


Maybe I am seeing this all wrong.

Graham, could you please explain what is meant by the term devolution of power and what this meant with regard to LCC's devolution of highways to HBC?

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So Highways was not an example of devolution then?

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It was devolution in a way because Local District Councillors were in control of services in Hyndburn. That element was important to County but clearly HBC could not be allowed to run the contract. So middle management and blue collar workers were transferred as the contract was ended. In effect sacking the senior management and councillors at HBC.

'Hyndburn Local' was then set up, a public forum and decision making committee maade up of the 6 Hyndburn County Councillors to fulfill the devolution/local decision making. 6 District Councillors were invited but the Tories refuse to go or send anyone. Childishly too, The Tories stopped 'Hyndburn Local' hosting any meetings in Hyndburn Council buildings.

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This reads like a sort of red tape cutting exercise but the lack of suport and help from certain areas of influence are killing that. Or maybe its a case of spitting the dummy. Anything that is suposed to help the area needs to be embraced by all because if not it will fail in the long run.

Who has the better understanding of an Area's needs County Council or Local Council? If the tit for tat infighting doesnt stop all will lose n dosnt matter who did what it will be all to blame.

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Sounds very interesting that Graham, probably deserves its own thread as I went a touch off topic asking about it in this one.

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Anyone recall the title of this thread??:D


Best Regards - Taggy

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Not sure n without mi specs cant read it either. :eek:

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I know where it is going as I had a letter about it this morning. It is going in the NHS building on the corner of Eagle Street/ Paradise Street.:)

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That was where back in February? myself and The Leader of the Council were informed of. I think I posted it earlier in the thread? (Hope I did anyway).

Why he chose later to criticise the PCT in a misinformed LT article which wrongly stated the Pals Health Centre I do not know other than headlines.

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Maybe it is being put there because there are very few residents in the area. I have no objections to it, it is a very much needed service but fear my neighbour might kick up a stink.