Secret location for drug and alcohol centre
 

Location secret of new drugs and alcohol centre in Accrington (From Lancashire Telegraph)

So anybody any ideas where it might be going?

Or any guesses?

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well its not on Aveune Parade :-)

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If this Chris Dixon was so sure that there would be no public outcry then he should name the place NOW.

Not that it will affect me. I live in Darwen. But once one local authority rides roughshod over the people’s wishes it could always spread to other authorities.

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I think it will be that white elephant Acorn Centre on Blackburn Rd
There are no houses either side or behind it YET

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well its a knocking bet it won't be up New Lane.:rolleyes:

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Why not join it with Maundy Grange as it will probably be dealing with the same people.:rolleyes::(

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They play cricket up New Lane cashy:rolleyes:

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Bet it's more interesting game than England v West Indies, Druggies v Alcoholics.

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well there are a couple of jobs going for a 'drugs and alcohol' centre on the jobcentre plus website, i wonder if they are for this place?

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If they are advertising for staff already, it looks as though the location wont need any refurbishment - this strengthens the case that it will likely be Acorn Health Centre

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Might be why the Great one's gaff is for sale Cashy!!!!:D

I cant understand the various quotes in the Telegraph to be honest. "Britters" says he wants the PCT to "come clean" and announce where the place is that they have "found", and yet the spokesperson for the PCT seems to indicate that the Council are involved and suportive of the location?

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Val Robertson, NHS East Lancashire corporate affairs director, said: "We have identified a property that we are looking at for this treatment centre and we are awaiting a decision now from Hyndburn council.

"We have had a letter of general support from the council, subject to the normal planning requirements for a change of use.

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Best Regards - Taggy

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Shouldnt be up to the council to name the location. If PCT are that confident about it there wont be trouble. Besides it wouldnt take long to find out just follow their "clients" to the front door.

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i do hope its not the acorn centre,enuff rougess around here as it is,

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I do know where its been suggested its going but I don't know if I'm allowed to say. Its not in either of the 2 health centres though.

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this is supposed to be a free and democratic country,why are you not allowed to tell us,if other councillors are putting pressure on people not to say, is this some kind of bullying or what laws are they using to keep everybody quiet.this is a bit fishy:confused:

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The ex King st club is up for sale and no houses round it:confused:

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thats perfect, they could "Mug" a pensioner in town,then hide out in it. or if they got enough dosh, the "Spread" n "Imperial" are just as handy.:rolleyes:

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Councillor Britcliffe does know because Labour Councillors are working with the Tories. I know for a fact he knew a month ago.
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then all i can assume from that is he is lying until he sees which way the wind blows, summat he excels at i am told.:rolleyes:

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It could be the site of the old shelter on the Coppice.

:rolleyes:

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So where is it?

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dedicated to andrewb and g jones ....

YouTube - Do you want to know a secret? The Beatles



maybe "love me do" would have been a better alternative choice ;) ;)

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Go on thenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FarJhsXUqo.
Relieve the boredom:theband:

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hopefully they will put a big yellow door up saying drug addicts and alcholics enter here..

hopefully the door will be located on the railway tracks over accrington viaduct ;)


a bit of light enetertainment while shopping at aldi

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You could always FOI the location ;)

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It's the building at the side of the Skate Park. It already has drug users using it. The PCT requested that all 35 Councillors be informed and agree so there was no fiasco Mark 2. Discussions are ongoing so nothing is set. Another building is down to be looked at if this fails.

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Thanks Graham, stops me ringing the hot line:D but just a point, and yes I know I should really get out more, but I ain't got a clue where the skate park is:confused::rolleyes:

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The Waterside/Puddleside luxury:rolleyes: apartment residents wont be pleased, but since there are very few of those flats occupied there wont be a campaign of resistance

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thats turning into a lovely area, surprises me tbh isnt that right next to a council building?

will be educational when we go down to feed the ducks as well.

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Another refreshing moment.

Someone asks a question of a politician, and it's then prompltly answered.

Just a pity all our questions can only be answered this way, as examplified by our M.P. and some of our councillors.

Though it would be so lovely to have some sort of balance, and those people weren't all from one party.

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Another plus is that it will be near to the new Tesco,ideal for cheap booze.:drunk::drink:

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Is that near the aptly - named Paradise Street ?:rolleyes:

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I wonder if they would be on here if they were in power, after all have you ever seen any input on threads on national government, the only time Jones shows his face on here is when he thinks he can score political points, never gets involved in fighting for his beleaguered parties fortunes at national level does he:rolleyes:

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Greg Pope's 'in power' as you put it, and doesnt seem to feel his position is compromised by debating with us and answering our questions.

All the councillors who similarly come on here are also 'in power', in that they've been elected by the people of their wards, and sit on the council.

;)

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It is 25% occupied and growing. However a deal is imminent with a new partner. It will all end break even. The flats are lovely, you must check them out.

Always done newsletters. In Peel I concentrate on positive local issues. No point attacking the Tories, people around he understand that every time at the ballot box:D:D

I have never shirked answering a question or telling someone in my view they are wrong or telling myself I am wrong!:D:D:D

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Mmmm, put a DRUGS centre right next to where our impressionable children play..

Quality!.

why not just stand at the entrance to the skate park and hand out wraps....

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That already happens:eek:

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I made detailed enquiries a few weeks ago.
I looked at many photos and downloaded floorplans and selected one ready to view but then discovered-
NO central heating :eek: and no smoking

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At least Graham Jones has given an honest answer and stated where the proposed site is!! Why has Peter Britcliffe stated in the press that he does'nt know, when quite clearly he does...thats just a blatant lie!! You would like to think people would learn lessons really, when the original one was proposed on Avenue Parade, the council knew of the PCT's intent for at least two years before any of the residents did, and chose to sit on the knowledge untill it became clear the extent of residents anger!


Best Regards - Taggy

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Your mellowing in your old age Graham:D I was once like you, but now I use smilies all the time:D:D

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No Central Heating - There is a boiler in each apartment though. Will ask. Smoking, well that is an issue that has been thrashed about. Some have balconies.:D:D:D

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Hmmm, seems someones been giving you and Clare some wrong information Graham. Strange that. And quick release of the new info.

Accrington drug unit site announced (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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well thats typical,cashys docs,:rolleyes: still its got more going fer it yon,than avenue parade had. plus when we get mugged,a doctor will always be handy.:D

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That is a great bit of irony Cashy. :p

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When all the fuss dies down, I think that the centre will not have the massive negative impact that people fear. There is an OATC (Ontario Addiction Treatment Centre) just around the corner from where I live. A local group, Street Health, has a centre right down town .... and the Hotel Dieu Hospital runs a detox centre downtown ... no major problems at all.

Of course, we all know that the perfect location for most folks is nimby:rolleyes:;)

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Why would they need planning permission for The Pals Centre, I think Grahams info is correct.

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My information was from the top and comprehensive as the PCT want Councillors to be totally on board to avoid another Peel House.

Another location was discussed but this wasn't it. It is not owned by the PCT so I can't name it as I am sure they would want value for money on the price first. Clearly that is not the Health centre.

The PCT opposed the Health Centre for a variety of reasons.

If they have changed their mind then they have said Councillors will have to approve it and no-one has been told this site.

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Hopefully they'll need it because this unit won't actually be in the centre but somewhere in the grounds.As many know this place is an over burdened,under staffed shambles as it is.I suppose now when patients use the chemist in the centre they'll be at the back of the queque while the methadone is handed out.Whats wrong with the Acorn?Everytime iv'e had cause to go there it's virtually empty.:confused:

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I agree with that - I think they haven't persuaded many docs to relocate to it - as far as I can see there are signs in reception that only two have.

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there was a couple of locums in yon pre-xmas, would seem the best option to me, always near empty when ya go in.

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Beg to differ there Jaysay, a question was posed and Graham stepped in with an answer, same as in the Twittering thread, AndrewB asked if Greg Pope had signed up for a twittering site and when Greg came on and said No not yet, Andrew had to agree that the twittering site wasn't his preferred tool of communication either!
2 simple straight forward answers, "simples" as Alexsandr Orlov would say!

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wrong lindsay, its the torys that are simple, they can't grasp a straight answer.:D;)

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Guess neither Hynburn Council nor the PCT are capable of calling a Spade a Spade are they??:rolleyes:

Best Regards - Taggy

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Both would argue over what a spade was shaped like. :eek: Square peg round hole comes to mind. :D

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thats my drs as well cashy :D

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Not that place on corner of nuttall st and welligton st then ?? its been empty since new acorn and pals place opened up ????
ian

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so either teh papers ar ewrong, Graham was wrong or we still don't know.

Mmm

papers, has anyone thought of challanging their info based on Grahams post?

Graham, I have no reason(or desire) to distrust you but we have to consider alternatives, could you have been mis informed????

don't know, this is the most scary, the fact that they still don't want us to know says they know its a real issue and ultimately a vote loser in whatever ward it lands........

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Is it PCT :D

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Oh what a tangled web we weave....

I once saw a play about the life of Robert Maxwell, it was called "Lies Have Been Told"

.....dont know why that phrase just came to mind!!:D

Best Regards - Taggy

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That is what I was getting at, Graham gave the info he did, and just a short while later the release in the telegraph, with Britcliffe commenting on it.... :confused: Somebody feeding porkie pies then?

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you havent seen the british junkies then .the best place for them is a wooden box to put them out of their misery and make our streets safer for our children to walk...we are to soft in this country ,we have tried the softly softly and it is leading to plain and simple anarchy.this country has no future except abyss unless we restore law and order now its time for the silent majority to rise and get off our backsides and do something...

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All 3 sites are Barnfield.

I still don't think it is the Health Centre BUT Dave Watkinson is a good journo.

The PCT wrote to me and said (shorthand version) "No more balls ups by the Council, We won't get involved in any site unless The Council, starting with the Leader & Opposition Leader (myself) have agreed to move forward on it."

I know I was briefed about the ex-Council Offices comprehensively, so was Peter Britcliffe, and Labour Councillors were told THAT was the preferred site.

I have had NO correspondence since and spoke with the MD on Friday. He said nothing new. That's the situation from my end.

I'll ask this morning.

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My money's on the resouce centre (which has been empty for quite a while) on Nuttall Street.........

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What you talking about cashy:D:D:p

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Lindsay they weren't an answer to a political question, only about twittering:D

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Politicians telling porky pies Caz:eek::eek::eek: wash your mouth out with soapy water:D:D:D

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the Truth n Politics should NEVER be included in the same sentence.:eek:

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The first I heard about the health centre being used was when I read it on the Telegraph website today. Graham and I were briefed that that the PCT didn't want to use the health centres because of the communal waiting rooms, we were told that they would use the old council offices because they would only be used for offices and solely for the drugs and alcohol centre. I've never lied or misled anyone on this forum and never would, neither I believe, would Graham. We only pass on the information that has been given to us in briefings. I actually saw the letter that Peter and Graham signed stating that we had no objection, subject to planning permission being granted for the change of use, to that site being used.

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Peter and Graham, mentioned in the same sentence, now there's a novelty, bet they weren't in the same room when they signed it though:rolleyes:

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How on earth did you guess that?????? LOL

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no worries on that score,anyone with any oil in their lamps knows the Liars are Not members on here.;)

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What a shame they can't work together instead of against each other.

I blame them both for that.

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I know that you probably expect me to say this but Graham is not the one to blame for this, Peter will not speak to me either. In the last month I have tried to speak to him on a few occasions to sort various issues out but he refuses to speak to either of us. I certainly won't stop trying because I think its vital that communication between members is civil and productive, whatever you think I don't actually hate Peter, I don't agree with him on lots of things and our politics are vastly different but in the past he has helped me with personal issues that I've had and he genuinely can be a lovely person, we just don't see enough of that side of his personality. In fact we don't see that at all now and its a shame

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thats like blaming england n germany fer world war 2.:rolleyes:

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Could not have put it any better Cashy.

When the Leader doesn't get his way he throws a wobbler. The Leader can make any story up but you are not allowed to criticise it or you're accused of falling out.

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One of my ex's behaved like that - a therapist advised me that it was
'Narcissistic Personality Disorder' - not 'certifiable' but dangerous

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Let say I kind of have a nose for these things Clare:D

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Do you know Graham that's exactly how you portray yourself on here, I'm always right Jack and every body else is wrong:rolleyes:

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Well as far as I'm concerned Cllr Jones founded Narcissists Are Us

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Labour Councillors have a mind of their own. I don't think I would last 5 minutes if I behaved how you suggest, let alone get voted in unanimously.

You and Peter need to stop having an inferiority complex. Trust in others and stop running a dictatorship.

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This was the letter myself and Peter signed. Nothing has changed since then. I'll get the usual round of attacks for posting it!.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3375/...e5eced06_b.jpg

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Inferiority complex, your out your tree. Labour councillors have a mind of their own, who are you trying to kid, ask George Slynn, he opposed the sale of LCCs homes for the elderly and was deselected after a lifetimes work for your party. I can also remember back in the eighties when I went to a full council meeting and a Labour councillor was agreeing with an opposition amendment, but when it came to the vote he voted with Labour. Some minutes later I was in the gents when this same councillor came in and was talking to PB, who was asking hm why he'd voted the way he had, his answer was priceless, I had no option, we are told how we have to vote, end of.:rolleyes:

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You make me laugh John! It is much worse than that within the Hyndburn Conservatives.

Under Labour their will be a 'devolution revolution'. The Borough's got talent but The Council just wants to stifle people and keep them down.

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well if that was me, after reading the observer last week n now reading that e-mail, i would trot down to the paper with it, ask em to correct the story they ran with n ask the residents via the paper, "Why Are The Public Being Misled" of coarse thats only me.:D the press can be a great weapon, the leader uses it to great advantage, perhaps labour miss the boat in that area?

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I agree entirely with you that the press can be a great weapon, but only if they print the information that you give them.

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well aware of that claytonender, but the e-mail looks like a splendid bullet to me.;)

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'Hyndburn Council leader Peter Britcliffe said: “The NHS should come clean and just tell people what they are planning. Everyone in the borough will be nervous that the centre will be built near them.'

Location secret of new drugs and alcohol centre in Accrington (From Lancashire Telegraph)

It does all seem rather odd.

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thats exactly why i would take that e-mail to the press.

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Claytonender, that's a little naive to say the least, the press are the press and they will print what they want, as I've said many a time why let the truth get in the way of good storey, the main point of any story can be altered by changing, adding or omitting one word and has been to great effect on many occasions:rolleyes:

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Yes but there are libel laws in place, to hopefully ensure they only print the factual truth.

If they don't, then they leave themselves open to prosecution, and huge costs.

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The word allegedly covers a multitude of sins Rindi:D

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They're also covered if they print an untruth, if it's a direct quote.

In that case it's the person who's been telling pork pies who's in the do-do.

:rolleyes::D

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A Case in point Graham, yesterday's cabinet meeting

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You are assuming Graham that Peter actually read the letter.

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I suspect you will find that is not quite as simple as you might at first think ;)

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All political groups jaysay as you well know have group decisions, which are voted on in their respective groups. I think I remember that incident you mention. I can't remember who the councillor was though. It wasn't me.

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True, but our magnificent leader obviously is.:D

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I know. I take it the devolution revolution passed you by Neil :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

The devolution revolution I would like to see is completely different to previous failed attempts.

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He was verbally briefed by the Managing Director. As the original letter pointed out, The Council must be united on a site following the Peel House debacle.

As Garinda pointed out. The LT comment by The Leader is the opposite to letter he and I signed. Ignorant Populism at best, a downright lie at worst.