Missing dog
 

My dog went missing today and I'm wondering if anyone has seen him?
He's a golden labrador, bit on the chubby side.. sniffs a lot, his name is Max but he's usually ignorant.. went missing about 12:15pm today, looked everywhere cant find him.

He went out back gate when the daft binmen left it open, I live up just off new lane.. Anyone in oswaldtwistle area see him please let me know.

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I hope you find him :( you've had him aaaaaages. :(

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hopefully you have had him chipped and teh dogwarden will return him to ya

try ringingteh dog warden and teh r.s.p.c.a if you havnt already

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The warden got him, wants £70.

Idiotic binmen left the back gate open, so we rang the council, they tried to explain to warden and he still wants £70. Can't afford it at all. and Blazey we had him 11-12 years.

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I hope you can find the money to get him back, what happens if you don't collect him? Do you get charge daily for holding him?

I am impressed that Steve got him so soon. I saw him driving past the Spar in Ossy an hour or so ago.

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if the dog has a colar with address on wouldnt it have been easier to try the home adress first before dragging the dog to wherever?

mind you that wouldnt get £70 in the kitty would it

iv sent you a pm with a suggestion it could be worth a shot, its not as though it was your fault the dog got out

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What I want to know, whats the 70 quid for, the dog wardens services are paid for out of the poll tax, he's got a van and other equipment provided from the same source.

The Idiotic bin men should have their wages stopped if there is any legality in charging, for what should be a free service.

Retlaw

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Know we have covered this ground before, but does say on the Hyndburn
website:-

'The first time a dog is caught straying, the dog wardens will try to trace the owners and return it.
Any other stray will be kept safely for up to seven days.'


The Dog Warden's services only cover 9 a.m. >> 5 p.m. Wonder what time your dog was picked up Jae ? Probably felt had no choice but to take it to the kennels, which will be what the charge is for. Mmmmmm.



Oh, blooming hek, if has been taken to Aspen .. says closed Bank Holidays !!

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Glad your dog has been found and hope you can get the money together to get it back.

What I don't understand is the bin men leaving the back gate open, thought all bins had to be left out for emptying these days:confused:

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Are you sure it was the binmen who left the gate open ? Everywhere else in Hyndburn has to take their bin out to the street :confused:

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How can it be the bin mens fault if the dog is not properly secured?

The gate should have been locked - what if a child had made a mistake and opened the gate thinking it was his friends house?

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Totally agree with that. Surely you would normally keep the gate locked anyway, in case someone nicked your property...or your dog.

Even if they were expecting a bulk collection, when they have to come in the yard..you wouldn't leave the dog loose till the collection had been made, surely?

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Wrong, disabled get their bins done by the binmen.

Retlaw.

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also if you want somthing removing you have to leave your back gate unlocked to allow access to the item or items so your gate can be unlocked up to two weeks as they cant say when they will be coming


why should a gate be locked anyway its not as though the dog has opposable thumbs and can work the gate ?:rolleyes:

if a council employee opens the gate they should shut it on their way out

the old phrase "were you born in a barn" springs to mind

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I hope disabled people don't leave their dogs outside then.

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Because the owner of the dog should make sure it can't get out, unless they want to pay £70 that is.

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even though im in rossendale the binmen always leave my gates open when they come and empty my bins ... very rare that they shut them. By the way im on the assisted scheme .. registered disabled.

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That's Rossendale for you, maybe they are made of better stuff over here :D

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Neil, I have to say that I think you are being a little heartless here.

I used to have a dog (had to have him put to sleep last month as he had cancer and other ailments and his age was against him), and sometimes when people delivered leaflets through my door, they didn't shut the gate on the drive behind them. I've let the dog out, and then had to go after him when he has got out, by thoughtless, selfless people leaving a gate open.

If the gate is shut, and you have to open it to go in, then commensense and good manners say that you shut it when you leave.

If you are disabled, then yes, the binmen will come up your drive and take your bin for you, and then return it to where you left it, but at the same time, if they went through a shut gate, then they should shut it when they go out.

This could have been a child!!

Jae, I do hope that you manage to get your dog back, and if he is at Aspden, then he will be looked after, as that is where I took my dog when I went on holiday, and they are lovely people

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My backyard door (gate) can't be left open,
I fitted a spring closer over 40 years ago,
its now on its third door (gate).

Retlaw.

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What happens to the dog if the £70 isn't paid? It seems weird, to me, to impound a dog then immediately find out who owns it but refuse to hand it back while, presumably, feeding and housing it. I don't suppose they are as altruistic as the Dogs' Trust who won't "put down" any healthy animal so is an unpaid-for dog condemned? Is there a very bad wandering dog problem or is this merely a source of revenue for the Council?

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I am not being heartless, I said i hope he can get his dog back.

As for you letting your dog go outside without securing your gate you were being a negligent dog owner in my opinion. You dog could have attacked the postman.

I don't think we have a big problem with strays, just people who let their dogs out on purpose to foul the streets because they are too lazy to walk their dogs and clean up after them.

Did you know in this country 1 child every week goes blind from catching toxocara from dog dirt? That was one of the interesting facts I learnt while chatting with our dog warden the other week.

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[quote=Neil;702803]I am not being heartless, I said i hope he can get his dog back.

As for you letting your dog go outside without securing your gate you were being a negligent dog owner in my opinion. You dog could have attacked the postman.

That is your opinion and you are entititled to it. But for the record, I am not and never have been a negligent dog owner. My dog was friends with the postman, and wouldn't have hurt a fly. I knew he was missing within seconds of letting him out, and went after him. This happened twice during the 10 years I had my dog.

And I had secured the gate, it was the irresponsible person who came in the gate after I had shut it and then left it open that was negligent

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Shutting it is not securing it. Securing it would be having it locked so no one could open it.

Stop blaming someone else and just admit it was your fault.

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I do find there are lots of recriminations here, (bin dying to say this all night, but am a coward)... let's just help the lad to get his dog back then slap him down later or good suggestions for it not happening again as per Retlaw: spring closer etc.

And Neil, the toxocara issue is just a red herring .. could be world wide, etc., etc. not U.K.

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So if the gate was locked then how would the postman get up my drive?

I was brought up to shut a gate if I walked in a gate, so maybe my good manners are a fault are they?

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He told me that it was 1 child per week in the UK. I was shocked that 52 children each year go blind by something that is preventable by looking after you dog correctly

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Its not rocket science. If you can't secure the area you allow your dog to be in then don't put it there.

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Neil, I find at times your posts are quite patronising and abusive.

I'll let you have the final word on this one, as to be quite honest, I won't lower myself to your standards

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No need to be pedantic, I am aware that disabled people get assistance but don't think Jay is disabled but am sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.

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I think that it's sad. This chap has looked after his dog for eleven or twelve years and now through no fault of his own he has to pay out seventy quid to get it back.

The council must be able to see that it is well looked after so why can't they just reunite the pair of them. Makes my blood boil.

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Of course it is sad Neil .. can be cats too ... but just thought was not fair to put this up in this particular thread ... like you were blaming Jae for this. Can all come up with something controversial as this. Maybe, we could find out how many people are saved by the skills of dogs too .. like sniffer dogs, and the good that dogs for the blind do, etc.

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Eky peck thats a fancy word, (pedantic) for mid week, I would have thought that was a Sunday word, can I borrow it sometime.

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Well said, Katex. Responsible dog owners clear up behind them as we do. I've just read another thread which you have contributed to. Poor dogs searching for a new home.

I do hope that Jae gets his dog back.

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Anytime matey:p But surely if anybody who knew the bin men were going to have to come into the yard would make sure their dog was secure.:confused:

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Don't doubt what you were told , but think if there was any real truth in it the Sun/Mirror/Daily Mail would be having a "Blind Child of the Week" in every Friday edition :eek:

re. the missing dog , glad you got it back , but (without knocking anyone) wonder about the dog straying ....surely an 11 yr old dog has been trained to stay within its own/owners boundaries , unless he was smelling a bitch somewhere local ....then I would go after the bitchs owner for the kennel fees , no offense intended ;)

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yup dog poop and cat poop contain toxocara which can cause and does cause blindness in children

however most dog owners are resposible and clean up after their dogs mess or their dogs do their mess in their own yards or gardens

if the figure is 1 child going blind a week from dog dirt there must be a hell of alot more kids been blinded by cat dirt because cats poop not only in their litter trays but in every one elses gardens where poeples kids play and also everywhere else a cat can roam

i see people cleaning up after their dogs but i have yet to see somone running around the neighbourhood cleaning up after their cat

bah filthy bloomin cratures shoud be shot on sight

ps:

i own neither a cat or a dog because i dont fancy fiddleing around with poop , if your not preppared to clean up after your pet dont have a pet:rolleyes:

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Something else the dog warden said.

It only takes one irresponsible dog owner to let the dog out on its own and you have a big problem in an area. If a dog delivers 2 or 3 nasty packages each day that's between 14 and 21 in a week. I think you will agree that is a lot of mess in a small area.

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As I understand it the refuse collection is from back alleys, if that's not the case then fine, but how do the binmen have access to your yard and how is it their responsibility if you have a dog in there?
If they need access to your backyard to get to your bin you should consider that and make sure the dog is secured when they need to be in there.
If your dog isn't chipped and gets found I would consider it good luck, if you haven't bothered getting him chipped, even more good luck.
To be honest you are lucky that the dog hasn't turned up as a fatality on a road , or caused a road traffic accident, pay the bill, learn your lesson and buy a big bolt for your gate.

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Are you Margaret in disguise?:D

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so just imagine how much cats are leaving about the place then, if their not pooping all over the place they are chucking up green puke plus what ever other vile things they have picked up routing through rubbish.

yes i agree dogs can make a right mess and irrispoisible owners will leave it for somone to step in but lets face it theres easily way more poop left abandoned by cats because most cats are slung out the house and teh only time an owner sees them is when they put out a plate of food for them

yes i know there are a FEW people who keep house cats and tehy never leave the house but the majority are left to go and poop wherever they please and everyone else has to clean up after their pets for them

cat owners would soon complain if i started useing their garden as a toilet so why shoud we have to tolerate their pets using our gardens as toilets?

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My cats don't leave the house much, Eric never goes further than the gate, they use a litter tray and are very clean animals,cleaner than some humans I know. They don't get put out at night and are very much part of the family. Some folk like cats , some folk don't, I do !:)

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How did you guess?

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Its a good job he would scare little children. It would be like Bodmin moor in Accy :D

http://www.paranormality.com/images/bodmin_beastie.jpg

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Neil is not my love child
I never messed with politicians:D

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firstly ..The dog got out because the gate was left open because the binmen came to remove furniture...not bin bags, they should have left the gate shut, it has a handle to shut it, but no they cant be bothered to do that!
secondly the dog got out about 12:15 and was found, i think about 3 hrs later, ...what i dont understand is why they took it straight to the kennels, i thought they took em to the police station first!, noooooo. now this warden wants £70 to get him back!,, which they cant afford...I hope he can sleep at night!!

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Not the wardens fault, it's the system.....rats get away scott free as do some of the garbage that roam the streets in hoods and trackies.
God we need a shake up in values.
If intent cannot be proved a sentence can be reduced from murder to manslaghter....this is a case of....my dog was on my property and was let out by a third party who were allowed onto the property with the owners consent and should have left the property intact as they found it...including dog.

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The reason the dog got out was the owners fault. The gate should be secure before letting the dog out. Shutting it is not secure.

And please can we stop blaming the dog warden for doing his job. His job is to remove stray dogs. A dog on its own is a stray.

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Changing the focus of the subject to the dog........will Jae be charged for the upkeep of the dog whilst it is in kennels....even though he cannot pay?
Is there any provision for Jae to pay the cost in instalments?

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Actually the gate had a latch, which can only be opened if ya push the lever, so the gate was shut, only man could open it!;)

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Panther....I think you are on a hiding to nothing...Neil has spoken. :rolleyes:

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YA wanna bet!?!;)

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Go for it Pal. :);)

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Only man or child. If it can easily be opened it is not secure.

Would you say it was secure if your child opened a gate after getting mixed up on the back street and thought it was his or his friends and ended up being attacked by a dog?

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IMO, the council workers are to blame for not securing the gate, and having to pay £70 for just picking him up is just ridiculous!

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That doesn't make it secure though, does it?

I've got to agree with Neil on this one.

I'm glad the dog was has been found and will be reunited with his owner.

It is good manners to close a gate behind you but some people don't.

It is the dog owner's responsibility to ensure the dog can't escape even if the gate is left open.

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Is the £70 a fine for allowing it to escape?

If it is a fine is it high enough?

If the fine was £200 would people be a lot more careful before opening the back door and letting fido wander out to dump on someone else's doorstep. I know that is not the case here or course.

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Where is the logic on that one....can we apply that situation on our very secure prison system? :eek:

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Yes, if a prisoner looks likely to escape he will be closely monitored or locked in his cell. :p

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I have no idea what prison has to do with it.

Are you trying to say the it is not the dog owners responsibility to make sure the dog is not roaming the streets on its own.

If you want to use an analogy - who's fault is it if a parent leaves the front door unlocked at a two year old opens it, runs into the road and is killed by a car.

I suppose you will blame the driver for driving his car on the road :rolleyes:

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its so funny, the guy lost his dog, asked if anyone has seen the dog and then all of u manage to make a discussion that covers 4 pages in this forum, its unreal haha

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This is a discussion forum after all. His dog is no longer lost, everyone hopes he gets it back. We are just discussing the whole dog warden/escaped dog thing now.

What are your feeling on the £70 - do you think it is a good enough deterrent to keep dogs off the streets on their own?

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Yolanda you are spot on...this a dog who got lost.
Not a mugging...although I think the dog and it's owner have been mugged.
I think the answer has got to be, dont leave yourself open to the smart arsed comments from the chosen few who are hell bent on making a small issue into a catastophe. :)

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Thankfully, catastrophe was avoided thanks to a vigilant dog warden. :)

Edit......I've messed up with the quoting, all bits in blue are mine, not Royboy's

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I am not allowed to say Bullsh1t...but I will go for it anyway ;)

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Im sorry to be rude but u werent only talking about the 70 pound charge, you were all talkin abot if a child gets out of wether he left the door open or wether it was the bin men, loads of expeculations( dont know if thats how its spelled) anyway the poor man made a mistake or the bin men did , who knows, who cares, the 70 pound charge, a disgrace! just give the poor bloke his dog back your thieving dog wardens!!

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Yolanda.....your logic makes perfect sense. :D

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Please don't be offensive to the Dog Warden, he is not a thief, unless you can prove otherwise, he is only doing his job. He has rules to follow and he is doing a good job. I was talking with him a couple of weeks ago and he was explaining that he spends quite a lot of time in schools educating children about dogs.

Something else for you to think about.

What are the odds that our one dog warden for the whole of the Borough, just happened to spot this dog?
More likely that one of Jae's neighbours reported that the dog was out to the dog warden who was then obliged to follow it up.

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£70 sounds about right to me, and the scenario that Neil has just mentioned sounds about right too. ( Bear in mind you can get a fine of about £60 for dropping a cigarette end, it's still a law that has been broken.)

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teh law was broken by teh council employee who let it out then so they shoud foot teh bill or let it drop and give teh dog back

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I agree with you

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The one thing that's surprised me with his whole thread all four or so pages of it, is that nobody has blamed Peter Britcliffe:D

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well I once had a dog ..I let it out one stormy eve .. he never came back...I often wonder if he found a new life with a lady dog and had children..anyways I blame Peter Britcliffe.

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Which law did the council employee break? :confused:

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If the dog was picked up before 5 p.m Panther (seems like Dog Warden's operating hours), then don't see the problem why he could not have returned it to the owner ... as per the guides laid down on the HBC site .. see my #8.
However, maybe, the dog didn't have a collar or was chipped ? This would be the only excuse for taking it to the kennels straight away. Jae hasn't been back on to give us any further details, which is a bit annoying .. mind you, perhaps doesn't want any more accusations of bad ownership, etc.

As for the binmen; if they were making a furniture collection, possibly Jae's household had asked them to collect on an open collection, which can be anytime within 10 days, so would have to leave the door unbarred.

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Panther said earlier that it was a furniture collection so yes, they would have had to leave the door unlocked.

The binmen should have closed the door behind them but didn't, which is bad manners but not against the law as far as I am aware.

Even if the binmen had closed the gate behind them the dog could still have escaped in this scenario if it had darted out past the binmen as soon as they opened the gate.

I can't see how the dog getting out could possibly be the fault of the binmen. :confused:

I am not accusing Jae of bad ownership at all. I just think he made a mistake in this instance. The dog should not have been unsecured in the yard when a collection was due.

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Maybe the binman did close the gate and someone else opened it later. Not fair to accuse the binmen unless you have proof they left it open.

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You are assumming this is the first time the dog has been picked up - it might not be.

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ok lets up the aunty now and totaly take the urine

time to get grism and his cerw in for finger print and DNA analasys :D

shoudl get another 3 or 4 pages now while we bicker about how grism is actually retired now or which CSI team would be best for teh job :D

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Very true......never thought of that. We are just assuming the binmen left the gate open, aren't we?

Sorry, binmen, if you didn't leave the gate open. :o

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LOL......Whose aunty? :D:D

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Just trying to clarify this statement for future reference that's all ... bit ambiguous .. not actually saying whether they will take it straight to the kennels or not ... just they will attempt to try and find the owner.

Not assuming anything Neil ... this point did cross my mind too.

I agree ... is the owner's responsibility ... just a bad mistake, just can understand how it may have happened if on an open collection, trying to make the lad feel a little better.

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Yes it is the first time the dog has been picked up!

Well they didnt did they:(

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So the dog wasn't chipped and didn't have a collar on, not exactly easiest thing in the world to trace where it has come from without either of those. :(

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It might be worth mentioning that this is the first time and that he thought there was no charge first time.

Even better if anyone can find a link saying that you don't pay first time. I had a little look but find HBC's webpage not very easy to find info.

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It was the warden that rung them to say they had found him.

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Ok, so the dog warden found the dog and knew where it lived but made no effort to take it back, is that what we are saying here?
So either the dog warden failed in his duty to try and reunite the dog and owner or it wasn't the first time it had happened.
Questions should be asked of the dog warden, maybe the dog had done something in it's time of freedom that gave cause for concern, difficult to know without the full info, either way , it's not the binmens fault, end of.

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That's not what I am saying Lindsay, the dog warden did obviously get in touch with the owner (according to Panther's post), so must have had some identification on it.

Just that the statement on the HBC website, makes it sound like the Dog Warden will get in touch with the owner before taking to the kennels and therefore would not incur the charge. That's what is not very clear.

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That's what I was getting at, if the warden knew where it lived and there is a procedure in place then he should have followed it; either he hasn't followed the procedure or something else has happened to make him keep the dog in kennels. Very odd.:confused:

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Where is the dog now? Has the charge been paid and is the dog back home?

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Who knows? Jae was quick enough to tell us it was missing but precious little since..... maybe Panther can enlighten us.

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I've read this with intrest. Someone let my 3 boxers out a few months ago on a Monday night when I had gone to work. They opened my gate and let them all go. My gate was locked. I got a phone call when I arrived home from work off someone at Aspen Valley. They'd just picked the dogs up and taken them straight there. I wanted to go and pick them up immediately and they wouldn't let me. I had to pick them up the day after and was charged £240 for the privelige. The week after on the Monday when I went to work (and had secured my dogs in the house) Some cheeky so and so opened my front door and let my dogs out again. Luckily my son was in at the time, (that's why the door was unlocked) He had to run out and get them all back in. I have my suspicions about who is responsible, but they can't do it again. I've had a lot more locks fitted to my doors now. Whenever anyone goes out now, the door locks behind them.

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How the hell can anyone justify £240 for this?
It may be that one of councillors who come on here will be in a position to give us a breakdown on this disgraceful penalty?

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I think you will find the post from Suedardo very odd too, later in this thread. Procedure seems to be a licence to print money?

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I believe the HBC website says if it's the first time they have been found they will contact the owner and your dog will be returned. It was the first time mine had been out and found, they were all chipped etc but I still had to pay. £70 per dog to the council, no idea what for, and £18 per dog for Aspen Valley having them overnight. (Even though I wanted to pick them up the night before)

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the way i see this is the bin men n jay are partly to blame, but the real blame lies with the useless admin of our council, we have used this service twice in the last 8 yrs, both times we were told- leave yer back gate unlocked n we will collect in next fortnight / 10 days, which to me is unreasonable to leave yer backgate unbarred when no-one is in the house, also unreasonable to keep yer pet out of the yard fer so long. it aint rocket science all it needs is a phonecall the evening before telling ya were collecting tomorrow. also our dog got out 3 times in the first instance, paris thought i'd left the gate open,:( what was going on was oscar had his paw under the door waggling the sneck off (2" gap under bottom due to slope of yard) caught the little swine at it. theres all sorts of circumstances could have caused this, i reckon those that are casting blame have never had the misfortune to have to use this service.

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:rofl38:..umm snigger nice one :D

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yeh who says animals are dumb.:D

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I once had a fridge which had no storage on the inside of the door, and so the door was lighter. My cat learnt how to open it. :eek:

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There are plenty of humans who are far dumber than animals cashy:rolleyes: