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anyone else think this is man made? to take our thought's away from credit crunch. m.p.'s expenses. and all the other mistake's made by gordon brown and his inept cabinet.

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Of course it is made in a lab. A Medical Director in Texas said so on Tv.
You can find a link to that in my thread of yesterday
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nes-47124.html

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Well I tend to believe Gordon, in a statement issued today, he said and I quote, "We are in a better position to tackle this swine fever than other countries" now where have I heard that one before, seems to ring a bell somewhere:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Of corse its man made.

Just like the one's before where.

Thing is they recon (Or so I so today) we could suffer a 40% infection rate.

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It is an orchestrated outbreak to make people demand vaccination.
It transpires that the flu which ravaged world population at the end of the 1st world war began in a US army camp amongst soldiers who had been vaccinated.
Are you going to queue up this time?

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no thank you margaret.

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Margaret likes her conspiracy theories.

All garbage of course, but if it keeps her happy and the rest of us amused, who are we to argue?

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I think I've caught this swine fever. I've come out in rashers.

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Don't tell porkies.

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They say it's a pig to get rid of.

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Who to say they are all garbage?

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I reckon it's a sinister plot being hatched by Pinky and Perky in their unmitigated quest for total world domination!

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it was probably developed in Burnley.:D

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You always were a bit of a pig.

Retlaw.:theband::theband::tongueout:hehetable:hide wall:

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You leave our Margaret alone

Retlaw:oke2: :whack: :flamethro

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ok folk's enough pig jokes good though they are. serious now. how many time's we fought the scot's and won? now we get a scot's prime minister who no-one vote for and we find ourselves on our knee's get out of that please.

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Margaret, I can usually put up with your rubbish about man-made things, but this time you are beyond the pale!

We have had flu' crossing barriers for more generations than you can count, it will always happen.

Why?

Because if this was man-made we would have really cocked up and there wouldn't be a hope in hell of recovering from it!

So you and the 'doomed brigade', please be quiet and let's see how all of this fizzles out, which it will....

Oh by the way if I'm wrong you won't read about it in the papers, because there won't be any papers OR anyone to read them!

For those with any sanity left, it won't, no matter how severe it won't effect most of us!

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little bit far fetched less more rational thougt maybe?

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You leave our Margaret alone.............She means well.:rolleyes:

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Ok a question here is it about this swine flu thats started in mexico and killed 157 people there .. or is it another thread about gordon brown ... make your mind up please.

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i'll tell ya jen, jaysays reinforcements have arrived.:D that should answer yer question.;)

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"Swine Flu".....
"did it?"

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Were they experimenting cashy, trying to get 6 trotters instead of 4:D

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Same wi me as well, don't even have the usual winter one never mind one that protects against swine:rolleyes:

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You started the thread, where was your rational thought?

Biggest pile of dog's doo doo I've seen for a long time!

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You can also catch any number of diseases from this. I reckon it's a conspiracy by the New World Order. Get people to let their dogs crap all over the place causing millions to contract toxicara canis.

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Less - to some extent I agree that this is being overhyped - but it is puposefully being overhyped.
The purpose is to reach a hysteria level where mass compulsory vaccinations will be acceptable to the population.
Those vaccinations are the true villians in the arsenal.
If you wish to explore this possiblity, please look here-
WHO Pandemic Plan Now a Reality
If you explore that site you will see a humourous video of what goes into vaccines.
The vaccines wont be available for several months yet - so expect the WHO level 6 (compulsionary powers) not to get to that level 6 until they are.
http://www.who.int/csr/resources/pub...2005_5Eweb.pdf

PS don't shoot the messenger:D

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Margaret take a look at the first post, do you really suppose that our Government or indeed any Government would release something like this on another Nation just to cover up how inept they are being?
Such thoughts are insane and don't deserve to be considered by a grown up mind.

As for shooting the messenger if the same messenger time after time comes up with gloomy we are all doomed because of the advances that mankind is making then, I'm afraid, the messenger deserves to be shot.
:o

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I never said we are doomed - awareness will save us - a global, not national, plan is in action.
Non cooperation is the key - don't panic - that is what they want you to do.

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Well I don't know Less, desperate situations need desperate measures, and knowing this government, outs possible to get them away from the spotlight:D

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One of MargaretR's ex husbands

YouTube - Dad's Army Frazer Curse Story

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:D - give me some credit - all mine were better looking than that:D

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Jaysay that's like saying Maggie Thatcher deliberately destroyed the mining industry just because she could, no decent politician would ever do such a thing, surely?

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i aint being drawn on that again!:D

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Good idea Cashy,you would just be digging a big hole for yourself.:hehetable

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Ya but there could be coal at the bottom of it Beni:D

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to less my thought's are one of a 65 year old. not lacking in any department. not promted by anyone. my thoughts and I still think carry some thinking about. have sat here reading post's and think your's needed a reply.

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Thank's for replying, I will now spend some considerable time deciphering this missive.

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less. cheer's and thanks for that.

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At least you got a reply ... which is more than what i got!!!:D

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shillelagh. sorry for not answering sooner but yes both.

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Mountains and molehills I reckon. The government need distractions, and this could be it, mass hysteria!! If you work out the numbers (150 million +) in Mexico, and 159 dead, (and they cant even be sure it is swine flu), it supposedly travels best through sneezing, (90 miles per hour, travelling 10 metres, and can infect 150 people in a few minutes), surely there would be far more casualties in Mexico than quoted, in my opinion, our media are helping the government to distract us from other things, like the expenses!

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Conspiracy theories .... bs, massive piles of bs :rolleyes:.... and while people take seriously this crap that wouldn't be out of place in a supermarket tabloid, the real problems are still there .... unless what is happening in the Arctic and in the Antarctic is caused by immense electric heaters placed under the ice by men in black.:eek: C'mon guys, whatever happened to keeping it real?

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dont get me wrong but if it was man made then they would of known what would get rid of it and seriously people are dying as young as 23 months old now you all may sit there and make silly little jokes about the flu but think about the familys who have lost a love one though this sad time its in england now so stop making a joke out of it and start looking after our selfs to make sure none of use catch it coz i wouldnt wish it on my worse enamy

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Fair enough jem...but if 125 have died so far in this world wide "pandemic" then in the same peroid of time more peple will have died from Malaria or AIDS...the last scare we had shoved on us was bird flu...in some reports we were told up to half the population of Britain would die!..before that it was SARS..I've forgotten what that was but they were closing down airports and walking around with face masks.. all over the top.

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I have to agree with Mancie on this one and can't help thinking that it is being blown out of all proportion. Flu viruses have existed and mutated since man began. Every year various strains of Influenza kill hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. The biggest killer in the world is still Malaria closely followed by AIDS related illnesses. Yes it is sad that people die of Flu but I am not going to waste my time worrying about this latest outbreak which, I feel, is being blown out of all proportion by the media coverage.

I was in Hong Kong shortly after SARS broke out. The world went into panic mode and very little came of it.

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ok fair dos but if they didnt do anything then they would be accused of not caring as a fella got off the plane the other day and because he got told about the mask that what good will that do he was like they are treating this like a joke so they are damed if they do damed if the dont but i find it very offencive to be making jokes about it because if this is true then imagin how horrible the people who was making jokes will feel because they thought it was another scam plus bird flu never happened this is really happening people are dying and more and more everyday

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the facts as we know em at this point are simple, people have died in mexico, the W.H.O. state clearly that those who have it elsewhere are only displaying mild symptoms, fer some reason its not as virulent elsewhere, so why the hell are some panicking oer this?:confused: worry when ya have to,not before.:rolleyes:

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ok fair dos maybe your right but if they left it to late then there wouldnt be a point to do anything so start earliy and then you know theres a chance to be safe start to late and you never know how many lives that might be taken before they do something

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seems very strange to me jem, they already had a stockpile of oer 30 million doses of the cure (which they are now increasing stock to 50million) before we were aware of this outbreak.:confused: summat sucks to me.

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The Tamiflu treatment was stockpiled when Bird Flu hit the news. The Government increased supplies of Tamiflu in case Bird Flu spread amongst humans. As there was no need for the Tamiflu back then, we still have it in stock.

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since when has Roger Daltrey and his mates been experts on flu ?

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Interesting to know Lettie but is there no out of date to things like this? Not that I am worried about the threat, as far as I'm concerned "what will be will be" but would have thought these things would have a shelf life.

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your right accyman.. it was the Bee Gees..."swine fever swine fever.. we know how to do it" :D

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there might be a out of date on these tablets but as far as i know the is still chance of bird flu i havent heard other wise i see it the same as bernadette what will be will be if its gonna happen then so be it the things i dont like is the fact people are dying and others that isnt suffering and they are making jokes out of it how would the joke makers like it if they caught it suffering really bad and others where making jokes out of others suffring its a pity people do that take care of each other coz if we cant do that then this world is one massive big mess and needs to learn how to love others and take care of thy neighbour .( Im not religous)

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Just had this mental image of the Grim Reaper appearing on the planet riding on a pig For some reason (it might be the beer), this puts the whole thing in perspective for me:rolleyes:

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not the beer Eric.. that's a bloke called David Cameron!

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Looks more like Stephen Harper:eek:

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my womans just rang me sobbing her heart out because she has ran out of petrol and is affraid to go into the petrol station because shes scared she will get swine flu

problems been solved now iv told her that swine flu is in mexaco and not texaco :D

For the extra paranoid amongst us
 

you can track the swine flu here

H1N1 Swine Flu - Google Maps

personaly i think the santa tracker was better

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There will be an expiry date Bernadette but most expiries on drugs are years into the future. If Tamiflu was stockpiled in the last 2 years, the expiry will be somewhere around 2010 or 2011.

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That's the case with Tabs lettie, but what about jabs I'm sure the shelf life is far shorter than that. Mind you having listened to doctors talking on the issue on TV they seem to think that swine flu is no worse than the normal flu which comes round every winter and most people will cope with it like they normally do, but as with the winter version the vulnerable are just at the same risk, the elderly, people with heart, chest and diabetes problems, but I don't have the flu jab anyway

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Thanks for that Lettie but is Tamiflu going to be as effective with this particular strain?

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As far as I know Bernie Tamiflu isn't a cure for flu, just helps get over the effects of the virus more quickly.

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From what I can make of the media muddle that is Swine Flu, our normal Flu Vaccine will not protect against it. Scientists are working on a specific vaccine for Swine Flu but it may be months before it is ready. Chances are Swine Flu will have run its natural course by then anyway.

By far the best ways to protect yourself are to wash your hands frequently, sneeze and cough into a tissue and disposed of the tissue in a lidded bin and keep frequently used surfaces clean eg, door handles, toilet chains, tables etc.

Face masks will not protect you. I remember tons of studies into surgical facemasks coming out in the late 80's/early 90's. These studies showed that as an infection control measure, face masks were next to useless. There are gaps around the sides of them that allow germs in or out and they become damp very quickly rendering them useless. The only thing a face mask will do is protect the user against splashes of bodily fluid into the mouth or nose........hence the use in operating theatres where facemasks protect the Surgeon, not the patient.

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Problem is its hard to determine & even tho the health advisory is at its best atm, its still very vague, got a cold atm usually put it down to change of weather & wouldnt bug the health service as been the hardline over the past few years, is to get on with it & see pharmacy for medicines for it. Now its the dread lurgy, someone sneezes with tissue & dispose lately people suddenly disperse from u with immediate presumsion of swine flu, now as the symptoms are same as normal flu/cold like, other than the fact of not been to mexico/us or contact as such again not aware within the general public.

So that causes panic & confusion within itself - other than media hype making it worse, does one with a cold or beginings of what would be normal flu not travelled or known contact [tho another hard bit when working with gen public as who has or hasnt] quarantine oneself - just in case or get on with it as normal advice - thats the confusing bit:confused:

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Totally agree with everything you've said lettie, as some one who already has poor health little things like washing the hands has come second nature to me, as is cleaning work surfaces for food prep ect. I think we are seeing the same reaction to swine flu as we did with bird flu a few years ago, I think its just a matter of keeping people on their toes, more than anything else:rolleyes:

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not to worry ya have obviously contracted it from dave, after all he is a dingle.:D;)

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Surgical masks are useless. Industrial half masks are fit tested to make sure there are no leaks.

Whenever I wear a mask I always do a face fit test to make sure there are no leaks before I will carry out the job.

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I'm not sure what the population is in Mexico, but there have been 159 deaths so far........it is not recorded how many of these were as a direct result of the virus H1N1(swine Flu).......the percentage of deaths per population is very small.

it is an ill wind that blows nobody any good, the vaccine makers and the makers of the anti-virals will be raking it in......fuelled of course by media whipping up fear and scaremongering.

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think i heard 130 million margaret.

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Mexico..............National Stats

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../print/mx.html

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so it is a very small proportion of the population who have succumbed(and their deaths may not be directly caused by the H1N1 virus) and while this is no reason to be complacent, I do think that we have to get the risks into some kind of perspective.

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What a shame we can't have a vote on this on the lines of how many people in the UK will fatally succumb to this, i.e. a) 0-1 b) 1-10 c) 10-1,000 d) 1,000-1m e) 25m+.

I remember when the AIDS business started 30 years ago and within a short time the experts were saying that Britain would lose half it's population by 2000. Well, with the exception of those unfortunates who got the wrong blood transfusion, plus a few bandits, druggies and the usual ne'er do wells, we are still here.

So when the AIDS scare turned up to be just that, what did we get? nvCJD. This time, the same experts were talking of a minimum 100,000 dead within 10 years and an unquantifiable number after that. Total deaths so far - no more than 150.

I, for one, will not be playing at silly b*ggars, wondering around with a blue surgical mask over my face. After all, how can a man do his drinking wearing one of those? So take my advice - ignore the experts and listen to me.

I do private consultations at quite a reasonable fee.

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my thoughts entirely, don't know the figures fer normal winter flu deaths in britain, but wouldn't mind betting that its a bit more than 1 in a million.:confused:

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I won't be wearing a mask either.......they offer little or no protection and leave the eyes uncovered....the virus can gain access to your body through the mucous membrane of the eyes.......so these masks that the governement are ordering are a waste of money(no surprise there then).

As for the leaflet drop to every home, that is also a waste of space....Lettie has given the best advice.

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pfft i rang the swine hotline today and all i got was crackling :rolleyes:

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You've been reading the Daily Star today accyman:D

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god no i get my rubbish jokes from texts , my IQ isnt low enough to understand that rag :)

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I live in California... Mexico is on our doorstep. We have two little girls in school and schools in our next district are closing because of confirmed cases of the flu. We are taking precautions and are in fear of this becoming worse.
US CDC, and now WHO are raising threat levels to pandemic 5.
I hope these glib and paranoid remarks about "man made" and "new world order" don't come back to bite anyone. I think this is the wrong time for this type of conspiracy agenda. It's nonsense.
Keep your eyes wide, the news turned on and all the precautions you can for you and your families.
I hope this goes nowhere.

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to be honest i think the fastest way this will spread is if n infected person works in a building with air con , i know peope who work in places with air con and if one person gets sick they all get it sooner or later but folk get penalised if they stay off work so they go in when ill

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No, the aricrafts has to worse. Im off to Cuba next week, its that island surrounded by Mexico and America ! Yet, they havn't reported any cases so far?

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Taking simple precautions should make this Flu no worse than any other type of flu.......sneezing and coughing into a tissue......and disposing of the tissue sensibly(lidded bin)....making sure that all hard surfaces that are touched regularly e.g. door handles, light switches etc are cleaned, should minimise the spread.
Also if you do get the symptoms then it is sensible to go to bed.....minimise contact with outsiders, take plenty of fluids and analgesics for the aches and pains.
Those who may need more medical intervention are those with pre-existing heart or chest conditions, diabetics and the immune compromised.

While you are close to the area where the infection first arose, it doesn't necessarily follow that you will become infected.
You have to get the risks into some sort of perspective.

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Did you know that over here we use the term US to mean useless?

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Watch it ****** lugs, I'll get you at playtime, well whoever texts you the jokes gets them from the Star, cuzz both you've put on here today were both in the Star this morning:tongue out

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The point on air con is a very good one, for the last 2 days I have been sat directly under an air con vent in our training room in Sale, at about 11:30 this morning I started to get a cold sore, could feel the tingle and now it's like a second head!:rolleyes: I very very rarely get cold sores and have had no contact with anyone who could have passed it on, I blame the air con unit, just hope it clears up soon, it's killing! :(

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Didn't realise anything had changed Neil:rolleyes:

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I have to agree with you about aircraft polly, the air on planes in flight is recycled, which I'm sure our friendly neighborhood pilot will confirm if he sees this thread. I'm sure the air on planes is not filtered to the extent which would purify it

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The year before I retired a colleague said to me, in about October, "I've bought a frozen turkey because there'll be none in the shops by Christmas." That was the dreaded bird flu. There were plenty of turkeys that Christmas and the bird flu didn't decimate the population.

We've had 8 cases, so far, who have come back from Mexico with the swine flu. They haven't died. There may be an epidemic on the way but we've had flu epidemics before and they all have the potential to kill.

Let's not panic, it doesn't solve anything.

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Think your right West Ender, from what I've heard and read about this swine flu its no more dangerous than the normal winter virus which floats around every winter, its dangerous to vulnerable groups as are all strains of flu, we just have to take the same precautions, and in the words of corporal Jones Don't Panic

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Still think this whole thing is bs .... not much else in the news right now ... I think if we had a competition to come up with a cutsie no-threatening name for the thing, no one would take it seriously .... maybe it's an alien thing: the little green men are taking time out from anal probing, and are getting their giggles watching us running around in masks, scared spitless.

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may be your right eric me and my hubby thinks there is a chance of it being something to do with all that because if everyone takes a moment and thing since the beginning of 2009 things like ufo sightings Meteorite now swine flu somethig is going on in the world

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I have been searching you tube for Windsor Davis and his famous line 'Shut Up' when I listen to the BBC and Sky....B'Sh1t, B'Sh1t, B'sh1t in red was the cry.
Newsworthy but well OTT.
It is serious and should be addressed but do we shut up shop?
I got asian flu going through the Suez Canal in 1957 and thought I was a gonner but am still here and that was a troop ship carrying 2000 bods, and we did'nt loose one.
Note to MR..............Herbals would not have saved you on that trip.

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I got Asian Flu too, Royboy, but I was only 14. It was horrendous and I was in bed for about 4 days then weak as a kitten for a further 2 weeks. It's since then that I get annoyed when people who have a bad cold say they've got flu. :rolleyes:

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i was in bed fer 2 weeks wi it in me early teens, was seriously knackered. ive always been bugged at the tarts that say they have flu n are knocking about, BS.:rolleyes:

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Saw a photo this morning of a woman arriving at Gatwick airport from Cancun, she was wearing a face mask, she was carrying a Teddy Bear who was also wearing a face mask:rolleyes::eek::D

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It bugs me too, I got 'Red Flu' (the Russian Strain) in the early 80's. I was bedbound for nearly 2 weeks and had 3 weeks off school. Those who ring in sick with Flu and are back at work a couple of days later have had a cold (or maybe Man Flu). :D

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Man Flu, lettie:eek::eek::eek::eek: no such thing:D

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Caught this on the news: some are worried that if the name isn't changed from "swine flu" to something more neutral (Like H-1-N-1, or the Mexican Trots), there will be thousands of pigs facing slaughter ... think about it .... pigs don't have that many options in life other than ending up next to the bacon or the spuds .... sheesh.

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Oops ... that should be "eggs" not "bacon" ... but you get the picture ... anyhow, if we had a good earthquake or a tidal wave somewhere, the swine flu would soon be on the back burner (next to the bacon).