Originally Posted by bullseyebarb (Post 715941)

Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 715947)

Not impressive at all.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 715960)

Frankly I haven't the slightest desire to impress you, or anyone else on here.

If per chance I did inadvertently impress you, I'd consider it time to throw in the towel.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 715961)

Don't get me wrong though, your input on here causes much hilarity to many people.:)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 715958)

How would you define 'reasonable', if you were being more specific?

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb (Post 716582)

For example - the U.S. has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world at 39.3%. An abomination any way you look at it. As you surely know, only individuals pay taxes - hence, corporations merely collect same from either their shareholders, employees or customers. The shareholder will receive lower dividends on his investment, customers will pay higher prices and employees will see fewer raises and jobs. Likewise, onerous regulations cost businesses dearly.

Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 715769)

What is this living in the real world that keeps cropping up in relation to students, interesting, thought i might ask due to coming across the term several times.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 716675)

I wouldn't worry too much about the "real world"; it doesn't exist. It's a meaningless term, often tossed in to an argument in order to undercut, or ridicule, someone else's argument.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 716675)

I wouldn't worry too much about the "real world"; it doesn't exist. It's a meaningless term, often tossed in to an argument in order to undercut, or ridicule, someone else's argument.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 716684)

It does anger me when this is thrown out at students Eric, and is simply not true from my experience. Most students do take out a job whilst studying. Can only go by my own son's record on this .... and try telling me it is not the real world. Sorry to bore you, but:

2 Years at McDonalds whilst doing A-levels. (health and safety certificate gained)
During the break before Uni ... very short period feeding the ovens at Hollands Pies, then working for a Newspaper Distributor.
Stock taking at the textile company I worked for and checking all dyed stock under a light meter for colour matches (boring)
1st year at Uni: Working in the student's bar and dealing with bouncers, rowdiness, etc. Also organising sports and social events for the students.
2nd/3rd year: Working at Blockbusters where they made him Manager for a year whilst he was searching for a job post-graduate before going back for his Masters in Planning.
Worked three days per week for a Planning Consultants whilst taking his Masters before they offered him an appointment on gaining this .. he is still there.. he is now 26, and all these jobs have taught him quite a bit of how to deal with people and varying situations !

Ok .. you don't have to read all this ... but 90% of his friends have this sort of history whilst studying.

My granddaughter worked in Ainsleys (bit like Greggs) from 16, now doing night shift at Sainsburys whilst stacking shelves and doing A-Levels.

Please do not tell me that students do not get experience in the 'real world' just gets up my nose.

Sorry. :p:mad:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 716687)

Sadly none of those part time jobs paid well enough to take me past my tax limit, which would have put me on a more equal footing with the rest of the income tax paying population.

That came later, when I was working full time, and paying all the associated costs and taxes of the 'real' world, unaided by the State in the form of subsidised educational grants etc.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 716731)

Educational grants ? Hummph ... they are long gone ... just loans now of which students are aware they have to Pay the Piper eventually.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 716744)

Personally I enjoyed my five years in the ivory tower of academia.

Sure most students do Garinda ..know my son did.

I also enjoyed life afterwards, which offered more challenging demands than the relatively cosseted life of education.