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SPUGGIE J 14-07-2009 19:18
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I wonder if the pot that is national insurance has any money left in it. Wouldnt be suprised if govenments of all colours have dipped it when short of a bob or to for activites that should not be paid for by N.I contributions. With the money that has gone in since its launch there should be no issues with NHS treament or pensions but as there is I think the pot is empty of cash but full of worthless I.O.U's.

turkishdelight 14-07-2009 19:22
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And now we are having to work longer, to receive the state pension I have been working for thirty years now only another 20 to go, what a thought.

SPUGGIE J 14-07-2009 19:47
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 728557)
And now we are having to work longer, to receive the state pension I have been working for thirty years now only another 20 to go, what a thought.
There is the result of financial mismanagement since WWII. I have no objection to working longer if I am fit and able to but have it forced on us because money is supposed to be tight is cowpats. Plenty of money available to bail banks out of the mess they created but not for essentials for the ordinary folk.

So why are we still sitting as part of the G7 or whatever the richiest countries are if we have such debt and lack of money? Either the govenment spin on finance has us as super rich or these other countries made a bigger mess of it than Westminster has.

entwisi 15-07-2009 07:49
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SOME Banks please Spugs! :D

SPUGGIE J 15-07-2009 08:25
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SOME Banks please Spugs! :D
I stand corrected. :p

jaysay 15-07-2009 09:08
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Since the mid seventies people have been encouraged to take out private pensions, so a to subsidise state retirement pension. So what happens the Iron Chancellor then takes charge in 1997 and subsequently started to rob the pension funds to the tune of £5 billion per year. I know some one who retired was worse of by £65 per week on their projected final pension settlement, thanks to that thieving useless Scotsman:(

blazey 18-07-2009 10:14
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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 728272)
Yes pensioners worry more about heating in winter paying their bills and food. The pesion they get is poor and a lot of them cannot understand how to get more benifits if they are entitled to them. As for the bus pass it gives them freedom to travel country wide at no real expense to enjoy life to the full. Even those with private pensions and savings due to the economic downturn suffer. There are those that may not drive due to their health, no licence of if they have a car cannot afford to run it. The bit that annoys me about pensions is that everyone who has paid the minimum required amount of national insurance gets a state pension. Yet that is more or less saying that all are equal despite the fact that some will have paid more than others because ehey had a better rate of pay or did a regular shot of overtime. Private pensions though subject to the vagrancies of the markets are paid based on what you put in unlike the state pension.

Yes target those that dont want to work though able to as the money paid to them could increase the pension and lessen the stress pensioners are under financially. Thing is though that even with govenment incentives, payments, retraining etc there will always be those that are better off not working.

Its not only pensioners that have bus passes either, like me who has a condition that legally bans me from driving. I have taken a while to accept the situation as others in my position as well as others who cannot be allowed to drive because of medical conditions. There have been times that though entitled to it I have taken pelters for it and despite not having to justification has been thrown back at them. The argument seems to be that taxpayers shouldnt be funding bus passes at all. My argument is that pensioners who worked all their days and payed taxes should have one. As for me I have employment and pay tax so I am paying for mine. It is subsidised by a payment fixed by govenment and would if extended might get some of the cars of the road that they want so eagerly to do.

Public transport is despite the best efforts of some still way behind other countries and will be for a long time to come. Buses and trains are either half empty or stowed to the gunnels depending on the time of day. I use both trains and buses and suffered on both esp the trains being overcrowed. Yet there are times of the day when trains are half empty and you get cheap tickets but the times only suit those that have no ties. Discounts are available for pensioners and the disabled (which I am classed as) students etc but because it still involves paying then pensioners prefer a bus that costs nothing.

Yes I think govenment policy sometimes has the wrong direction but others will disagree leading to arguments galore. Pensioners get a raw deal in my view and more should be done to help them as many of us will be those pensioners one day in the future. We will have payed our tax and N.I. and should be able to get recompense in some small form for what we have (if we reach that age) put in over our working lives.At the days end some gain many lose but that is sadly the status quo at the moment untill change is forced.
No point having a bus pass if you're going to be dead by christmas from pneumonia.

I always talk to people at the bus stop and I've always found people seem to be happy for their bus pass but complaining about things that are more likely to affect their health.

And please don't tell me that I will understand in 40 years, I pay a hell of a lot of money for my bus pass each year, not to mention public transport in general, and the most I get is a 1/3 off train fares. If I don't understand how valuable the ability is to travel by now then I might as well just give up.

I think people are a bit naive in the UK about seeing their friends and family day in day out like it is a god given right to do that. There are so many people in the world that would kill to see their family members just once a week. That, for many people is just a couple of quid. Yes, it might mean you miss a meal, but you'd happily pay it if you'd rather have a bus pass than a warm house in winter.

I've seen my mum about 3 weeks of this pass academic year and I have to work two jobs over Summer to be able to afford the luxury of a bus pass when I go back to uni, otherwise I'd never be able to afford to leave campus without walking for an hour into town, then an hour back. Never mind being able to afford to get home. You just have to make friends closer to your home and families should perhaps be paying to go see you if they're not having to depend on the pittance of pensions.

But yes, maybe I'll understand in 40yrs when I'm 60. I'd like to think I'd choose a warm house or a good meal over a bus pass though, just like I do now.

Mancie 20-07-2009 03:27
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 728640)
Since the mid seventies people have been encouraged to take out private pensions, so a to subsidise state retirement pension. So what happens the Iron Chancellor then takes charge in 1997 and subsequently started to rob the pension funds to the tune of £5 billion per year. I know some one who retired was worse of by £65 per week on their projected final pension settlement, thanks to that thieving useless Scotsman:(
Rubbish...in the 80's under the Tories, private pensions were encouraged because the then Tory Government were deperate to off load any Public money to the private sector... and sold all the public owned pensions to the private sector..they created a culture of get what you can out of this country and "sod all" to the bloke next door..Tory scum!

Eric 20-07-2009 05:50
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 729631)
Rubbish...in the 80's under the Tories, private pensions were encouraged because the then Tory Government were deperate to off load any Public money to the private sector... and sold all the public owned pensions to the private sector..they created a culture of get what you can out of this country and "sod all" to the bloke next door..Tory scum!
Don't agree with any of this ... except the last two words:eek:;):D

jaysay 20-07-2009 08:52
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 729631)
Rubbish...in the 80's under the Tories, private pensions were encouraged because the then Tory Government were deperate to off load any Public money to the private sector... and sold all the public owned pensions to the private sector..they created a culture of get what you can out of this country and "sod all" to the bloke next door..Tory scum!
Take your rose coloured glasses off Mancie and join the real world, when Labour activists are ashamed to be associated with their own party you know the games up:rolleyes:

Bernard Dawson 20-07-2009 09:01
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While I'm a Labour Activist, and Im proud to be Labour.

andrewb 20-07-2009 09:06
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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 729662)
While I'm a Labour Activist, and Im proud to be Labour.
The same can't be said for your local leader, and your prospective candidate in Immanual ward who both refuse to mention the small fact that they're the Labour party candidate on their election literature. Not even the Labour party logo exists. From the literature you'd think they were running as independents.

jaysay 20-07-2009 09:43
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 729666)
The same can't be said for your local leader, and your prospective candidate in Immanual ward who both refuse to mention the small fact that they're the Labour party candidate on their election literature. Not even the Labour party logo exists. From the literature you'd think they were running as independents.
As I've said before political Carpetbaggers

g jones 21-07-2009 21:21
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 729666)
The same can't be said for your local leader, and your prospective candidate in Immanual ward who both refuse to mention the small fact that they're the Labour party candidate on their election literature. Not even the Labour party logo exists. From the literature you'd think they were running as independents.
My leaflet had Labour in big colour coded red for Labour and said Labour. The leaflet before had a Labour perspective and the reminder card was big and red with Labour on it.

On the ballot paper it said Labour Party Candidate. I do not think you are not giving voters much credit for thinking for themselves.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/...640f68cc2b.jpg

Carpetbaggers Jaysay? What is your view then on Paul Barton and Tony Dobson (both from Ossy) representing Barnfield? Neither have any connection with Barnfield outside of Tony's business interests in the town centre.

Or the Barnfield Newsletter which they put out which IIRC does not have Conservative on it.

andrewb 22-07-2009 06:46
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Of course people will see you're Labour when they reach the polling booth. The question is why are you not telling them far in advance? I recall receiving a leaflet from you which had no mention of Labour not even the logo on it. I've seen your first leaflet to Immanual ward which again lacks any sign of Labour in the candidates election address and again in the lack of logo.

What are you so ashamed of? Every Conservative piece of literature I've received has had the logo on, it is certainly not on all Labour stuff. Very deceptive.

jaysay 22-07-2009 08:33
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 730193)
Of course people will see you're Labour when they reach the polling booth. The question is why are you not telling them far in advance? I recall receiving a leaflet from you which had no mention of Labour not even the logo on it. I've seen your first leaflet to Immanual ward which again lacks any sign of Labour in the candidates election address and again in the lack of logo.

What are you so ashamed of? Every Conservative piece of literature I've received has had the logo on, it is certainly not on all Labour stuff. Very deceptive.
Their second one didn't improve either, but Andrew thats what Labour do

Stumped 24-07-2009 18:18
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If the UK followed the pattern of the old USSR, the whole wretched cabinet would be put before a firing squad . . . and rightly so.

:dflam: :conny: :behead:

Mancie 24-07-2009 21:06
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 729657)
Take your rose coloured glasses off Mancie and join the real world, when Labour activists are ashamed to be associated with their own party you know the games up:rolleyes:
no tinted glasses here... I know it's over, and I know what to expect, years of misery... "I can feel the soil falling over my head" :(

blazey 24-07-2009 21:32
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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 730805)
If the UK followed the pattern of the old USSR, the whole wretched cabinet would be put before a firing squad . . . and rightly so.

:dflam: :conny: :behead:

I don't normally declare when I've handed out reputation, but I thought this was fantastic! I certainly agree.

There is a group trying to get a referendum on the current electoral system. Perhaps futile but nice to see people uniting to say that they aren't happy.

Home | Vote for a Change

Mancie 24-07-2009 21:52
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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 730805)
If the UK followed the pattern of the old USSR, the whole wretched cabinet would be put before a firing squad . . . and rightly so.

:dflam: :conny: :behead:
God help us.. the Tory wannabes have resorted to Stalin..they'll be qouting Lenin next!:D

Royboy39 24-07-2009 21:57
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 730837)
no tinted glasses here... I know it's over, and I know what to expect, years of misery... "I can feel the soil falling over my head" :(
Payback time pal which will probably give the opportunity to Garinda to come out of the closet and show his true colours.
The words 'Labour Party' in the current climate is a No No, so be it in local elections or National bye elections, the writing is on the wall.
Prepare yourselves good people for a tory government at the next general election and hope that the balls up that the current government have created, will be sorted.
I know there are many labour supporters on this forum and notice that many attack the tories but do not condone what the current goverment are capable of or are doing to the economy of this country.
I'ts time for a change and Brown must go.

Mancie 24-07-2009 22:09
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"Payback time pal"
yep maybe..and that's the worry.. who will be "paying back"..not the rich thats for sure!

Royboy39 24-07-2009 22:22
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 730859)
"Payback time pal"
yep maybe..and that's the worry.. who will be "paying back"..not the rich thats for sure!
Not many rich these days Mancie...Labour have made sure of that.
Not much money for investment. Banks gone 'Tits Up'....The Taxpayer will be paying back, big time..........How that Guy Brown sleeps at night is beyond me.?

turkishdelight 24-07-2009 22:26
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Time for change Brown will go not must go. All Brown has done is follow the socialist creed of ruining the economy then trying to borrow his way out of it they did exactly the same in 1978/79 and then disappeared into the sunset for 18 years. Brown is making a complete mess of it which will hold this country in a depression for longer.

Mancie 24-07-2009 22:50
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 730862)
Time for change Brown will go not must go. All Brown has done is follow the socialist creed of ruining the economy then trying to borrow his way out of it they did exactly the same in 1978/79 and then disappeared into the sunset for 18 years. Brown is making a complete mess of it which will hold this country in a depression for longer.
18 years of conflict, and economic incompedence that makes this recession look like a Sunday picnic...the simplistic Brown must go statements means nothing..what the Tories on here want is a Tory government...so why not just say that?

Royboy39 24-07-2009 23:13
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 730867)
18 years of conflict, and economic incompedence that makes this recession look like a Sunday picnic...the simplistic Brown must go statements means nothing..what the Tories on here want is a Tory government...so why not just say that?
OK I'll go for that.
Support of the Brown Regime is a bummer and that is becoming patently obvious.
Brown has always put himself in the forefront of economic issues.
Why did he not sus out the Bank collapse.?
The blame for the current loss of the bye election in Norwich is blamed on the expenses cock up....are we that nieve.?
The country is in a mess and attacking the opposition instead of facing up to the facts will alienate the electorate to the point of saying...and I agree...that Brown must go.

garinda 24-07-2009 23:40
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 730854)
..they'll be qouting Lenin next!:D
'Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man'

It's to be sang instead of God Save the Queen at the next caring, sharing, hug a hoodie, Tory party conference.

He was a much better lyricist than that Marx.

garinda 24-07-2009 23:48
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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 730856)
Payback time pal which will probably give the opportunity to Garinda to come out of the closet and show his true colours.
I've made no secret of the fact that I have no 'colours', certainly political ones.

I'm not, nor ever have been a member of any political party, nor have I always voted for the same party.

I'm not like the silly old sheep who blindly follow the shepherd, even though the shepherd's been changed so many times he's unrecognisable, and is certainly nothing like the original.

garinda 24-07-2009 23:54
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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 730861)
Not many rich these days Mancie...Labour have made sure of that.
I know sitting under your plastic parasol you don't exactly move in those circles, but I thought even you would know that Britain is the destination of choice for any self respecting Russian oligarch, or one of the many other international squillionaires who've made Britain their home in the last decade.

garinda 24-07-2009 23:57
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 730862)
Time for change Brown will go not must go. All Brown has done is follow the socialist creed of ruining the economy then trying to borrow his way out of it they did exactly the same in 1978/79 and then disappeared into the sunset for 18 years. Brown is making a complete mess of it which will hold this country in a depression for longer.
Nice to see you taking such an interest in political affairs, and sharing your thoughts.

Tell me, did you ever manage to work out who your ward councillors are?

garinda 25-07-2009 00:04
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I'm still reeling with shock that one of our greatest political theorist described Brown as a socialist on this forum.

:eek:

so·cial·ism

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

I can think of many things I could call him, but that certainly isn't one of them.

jaysay 25-07-2009 09:02
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 730837)
no tinted glasses here... I know it's over, and I know what to expect, years of misery... "I can feel the soil falling over my head" :(
Years of misery, what the hell are we going through know, you really do need to take more water with it Mancie and look at the real world instead of the world according to Zogg

jaysay 25-07-2009 09:09
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 730895)
I've made no secret of the fact that I have no 'colours', certainly political ones.

I'm not, nor ever have been a member of any political party, nor have I always voted for the same party.

I'm not like the silly old sheep who blindly follow the shepherd, even though the shepherd's been changed so many times he's unrecognisable, and is certainly nothing like the original.
You keep saying you have no party colours Rindi, but to my way of thinking is If it waddles like a duck, Quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, it usually is a duck:D

garinda 25-07-2009 10:21
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 730952)
You keep saying you have no party colours Rindi, but to my way of thinking is If it waddles like a duck, Quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, it usually is a duck:D
Don't remember any strange analogies from you when I've criticised the government, the Prime Minister, and our M.P., all of whom happen to belong to the Labour party.

I suggest it is in fact you who are quackers, or at the very least unable to see the bigger picture, because your one political blinkers distort your view of the real world.

;)

jaysay 25-07-2009 14:11
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 730979)
Don't remember any strange analogies from you when I've criticised the government, the Prime Minister, and our M.P., all of whom happen to belong to the Labour party.

I suggest it is in fact you who are quakers, or at the very least unable to see the bigger picture, because your one political blinkers distort your view of the real world.

;)
Half of the Labour MPs have criticised their own government and especially Brown, but that doesn't say they aren't still Labour:rolleyes:

garinda 25-07-2009 14:18
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 731042)
Half of the Labour MPs have criticised their own government and especially Brown, but that doesn't say they aren't still Labour:rolleyes:
...but unlike them, and indeed yourself, I'm not a member of any political party.

Meaning I'm free. Totally free.

Free to speak my mind, and not worrying about the fact that I'm singing from the correct party political hymn book.

;)

andrewb 25-07-2009 14:34
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 731046)
...but unlike them, and indeed yourself, I'm not a member of any political party.

Meaning I'm free. Totally free.

Free to speak my mind, and not worrying about the fact that I'm singing from the correct party political hymn book.

;)
Not free thinking enough to realise being a member of a political party does not mean you must follow their thoughts exactly though! ;)

garinda 25-07-2009 14:49
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 731052)
Not free thinking enough to realise being a member of a political party does not mean you must follow their thoughts exactly though! ;)

Some political party members on here have been forced to admit the party they support, as slavishly as a football team, still support them blindly after deciding they were the right 'team' for them years ago.

Even though they've had many new managers, totally new players, a new strip, and even moved grounds seasons ago.

Yet they still unthinkingly chant the same old support.

Quite sweet really.

Blind devotion.

Though I fear not something I'll ever do.

;)

andrewb 25-07-2009 14:52
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 731056)
Some political party members on here have been forced to admit the party they support, as slavishly as a football team, still support them blindly after deciding they were the right 'team' for them years ago.

Even though they've had many new managers, totally new players, a new strip, and even moved grounds seasons ago.

Yet they still unthinkingly chant the same old support.

Quite sweet really.

Blind devotion.

Though I fear not something I'll ever do.

;)
Try and hold them to account personally then rather than prejudicing others. ;)

garinda 25-07-2009 14:56
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 731057)
Try and hold them to account personally then rather than prejudicing others. ;)
As posted earlier, I'm politically free to post whatever I want, and am certainly in no position to 'prejudice' anyone.

;)

andrewb 25-07-2009 14:58
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 731059)
As posted earlier, I'm politically free to post whatever I want, and am certainly in no position to 'prejudice' anyone.

;)
Except by saying what you do you prejudice members of political parties by suggesting they are not politically free to post what they wish. I think you should direct your argument at the individual and not prejudice a group. :p

garinda 25-07-2009 15:07
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 731060)
Except by saying what you do you prejudice members of political parties by suggesting they are not politically free to post what they wish. I think you should direct your argument at the individual and not prejudice a group. :p
As I've said, more than once, I'm free to say whatever I want.

I don't care if in your opinion I 'prejudice members of political parties', and I don't particulary care what you think I should be doing.

It's very liberating.

Take my word.

cashman 25-07-2009 15:20
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 731062)
As I've said, more than once, I'm free to say whatever I want.

I don't care if in your opinion I 'prejudice members of political parties', and I don't particulary care what you think I should be doing.

It's very liberating.

Take my word.
lets put this simple- ya can say what ya want so long as it agrees with andrews view.:mosher:

jaysay 25-07-2009 15:28
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 731067)
lets put this simple- ya can say what ya want so long as it agrees with andrews view.:mosher:
And they say you can't teach aud dogs new tricks cashy:D

Mancie 26-07-2009 23:30
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 730951)
Years of misery, what the hell are we going through know, you really do need to take more water with it Mancie and look at the real world instead of the world according to Zogg
hang on ...I know the state we are in and have friends that are feeling it far worse than myself, but in everyday life it is not yet as bad as it was under the Tories..yet you expect everyone to jump out the frying pan into the fire..apologies for throwing that water all over it.:rolleyes:

jaysay 27-07-2009 09:07
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 731419)
hang on ...I know the state we are in and have friends that are feeling it far worse than myself, but in everyday life it is not yet as bad as it was under the Tories..yet you expect everyone to jump out the frying pan into the fire..apologies for throwing that water all over it.:rolleyes:
Under this shower the economy shrank by over 5% last year the worse figures since records began, we are in debt to the tune of £800 billion and rising at a great pace, out of the 31 industrialised countries we come 30th in the list of those who were best prepared for the recession, we have more Lords as Government Ministers because the rank and file are useless, and given the fact they inherited the best economic outlook any incoming government has ever inherited and have still cocked it up, this lot ain't got much going for them

cashman 27-07-2009 09:40
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i can agree this lot are on a bad errand, but the thought of "Hug A Hoodie" as P.M. is n even worse scenario.:rolleyes:

jaysay 27-07-2009 09:58
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 731474)
i can agree this lot are on a bad errand, but the thought of "Hug A Hoodie" as P.M. is n even worse scenario.:rolleyes:
Rather have a "Hug A Hoodie" than a half wit:D

MargaretR 27-07-2009 10:22
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The lesser of two evils is still evil

Wynonie Harris 27-07-2009 10:48
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Ah, but if we get a change of government, we'll be able to take sensible steps to deal with agricultural affairs.

Oh no, sorry, we won't because we surrendered control to the EU via the Common Agricultural Policy.

Anyway, at least we'll be able to establish a firm but fair immigration policy.

Oh no, sorry we won't because we've surrendered control of our borders to the EU.

Never mind, carry on arguing while your independence slips away... :rolleyes:

jaysay 27-07-2009 16:05
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 731486)
Ah, but if we get a change of government, we'll be able to take sensible steps to deal with agricultural affairs.

Oh no, sorry, we won't because we surrendered control to the EU via the Common Agricultural Policy.

Anyway, at least we'll be able to establish a firm but fair immigration policy.

Oh no, sorry we won't because we've surrendered control of our borders to the EU.

Never mind, carry on arguing while your independence slips away... :rolleyes:
Don't tell me tell Mancie:rolleyes:

g jones 27-07-2009 22:15
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 731479)
Rather have a "Hug A Hoodie" than a half wit:D
We are spiralling towards a Cameron Government. There is no point denying it. Modern opinion polling is much more accurate.

I do not think Cameron has any real idea how to govern or the problems he faces, both policy and personnel wise (eg a Trojan Horse of 200 southern Tories demanding tax cuts).

The idea of sweeping Labour away is a fanciful panacea that hasn't worked at LCC. After getting elected the truth dawned on the Tories. It is well run, it has a good financial position and you can't ban potholes. Further, despite all the hoopla, the first decision that took 3 weeks to decide was to increase Tory allowances and privileges despite everything said on the doorstep. Cameron will be faced with 'real politics' rather than sailing along of a feather bed of media indulgence against Labour.

Governing isn't easy but Cameron and Osborne are implying to people that it is. And like local Tories banning pot holes, national Tories want to confiscate mobile phones from kids (without any paperwork) as a way of cutting crime. How long before angry parents/voters take it out at the ballot box against the Government?

The Tories can say anything and they should win. The problem is winning, there is no coherent next.

Royboy39 27-07-2009 22:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 731620)
We are spiralling towards a Cameron Government. There is no point denying it. Modern opinion polling is much more accurate.

I do not think Cameron has any real idea how to govern or the problems he faces, both policy and personnel wise (eg a Trojan Horse of 200 southern Tories demanding tax cuts).

The idea of sweeping Labour away is a fanciful panacea that hasn't worked at LCC. After getting elected the truth dawned on the Tories. It is well run, it has a good financial position and you can't ban potholes. Further, despite all the hoopla, the first decision that took 3 weeks to decide was to increase Tory allowances and privileges despite everything said on the doorstep. Cameron will be faced with 'real politics' rather than sailing along of a feather bed of media indulgence against Labour.

Governing isn't easy but Cameron and Osborne are implying to people that it is. And like local Tories banning pot holes, national Tories want to confiscate mobile phones from kids (without any paperwork) as a way of cutting crime. How long before angry parents/voters take it out at the ballot box against the Government?

The Tories can say anything and they should win. The problem is winning, there is no coherent next.
Graham....I'm sure you would not wish the good people of Accyweb to list the blatent cock ups that the current administration have made during their reign.
I, as a pensioner, 30% worse off. Higher airport taxes than anyone in Europe, Higher taxes than anyone for alcohol and tobacco. Higher fuel taxation, The tobacco ban in the UK has destroyed whatever freedom we had to go to the local and have a pint with mates who enjoy a smoke/
The Spanish Governmet chose to ignore that ban and we in Spain can still enjoy a smoke with friends in comfort.
It comes across that the only way to defeat the toriies is to attack and that is getting a bit tiresome.
The coherant next is Brown out of No 10

jaysay 28-07-2009 08:55
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 731620)
We are spiralling towards a Cameron Government. There is no point denying it. Modern opinion polling is much more accurate.

I do not think Cameron has any real idea how to govern or the problems he faces, both policy and personnel wise (eg a Trojan Horse of 200 southern Tories demanding tax cuts).

The idea of sweeping Labour away is a fanciful panacea that hasn't worked at LCC. After getting elected the truth dawned on the Tories. It is well run, it has a good financial position and you can't ban potholes. Further, despite all the hoopla, the first decision that took 3 weeks to decide was to increase Tory allowances and privileges despite everything said on the doorstep. Cameron will be faced with 'real politics' rather than sailing along of a feather bed of media indulgence against Labour.

Governing isn't easy but Cameron and Osborne are implying to people that it is. And like local Tories banning pot holes, national Tories want to confiscate mobile phones from kids (without any paperwork) as a way of cutting crime. How long before angry parents/voters take it out at the ballot box against the Government?

The Tories can say anything and they should win. The problem is winning, there is no coherent next.
Isn't that just what Blair did in the run up to 1997 there wasn't a Labour minister with any front bench experience what so ever. Your trouble is Graham you talk the talk but don't walk the walk and lets face it this country is in its worst state its ever been in, up to its neck in debt yet Brown and his little Darling keep doing the Viv Nicholson Spend Spend Spend, but of course as usual they're not the ones who will have to clear up the mess

Stumped 28-07-2009 17:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 731672)
Isn't that just what Blair did in the run up to 1997 there wasn't a Labour minister with any front bench experience what so ever. Your trouble is Graham you talk the talk but don't walk the walk and lets face it this country is in its worst state its ever been in, up to its neck in debt yet Brown and his little Darling keep doing the Viv Nicholson Spend Spend Spend, but of course as usual they're not the ones who will have to clear up the mess
Harold Wilson; Michael Foot; James Callaghan; previous labour prime ministers who, like the present nincompoop incumbent, did their level best to ruin the country. None of them, however, presided over the calamitous situation that this scottish toad has managed to wreak upon the nation.

Eric 28-07-2009 18:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 731765)
Harold Wilson; Michael Foot; James Callaghan; previous labour prime ministers who, like the present nincompoop incumbent, did their level best to ruin the country. None of them, however, presided over the calamitous situation that this scottish toad has managed to wreak upon the nation.
It really doesn't matter to me whether Brown stays or leaves ... but that last sentence doesn't really make sense. You say he is presiding over a "calamitous situation." This might be the case: so is President Obama and our PM Stephen Harper. But I don't see how he can be blamed for the mess .... maybe he is useless as a PM, and that is probably a good reason for giving him the boot; but he surely can't be held responsible for the economic mess that is being shared by most of the rest of the world.

If he holds on to power for a while, until the economic turn around arives, he might be able to claim responsibility for it. Over here, we are officially out of recession with modest growth for the last quarter of the year; and a growth of about 4% next year ... and already the Conservatives are claiming responsibility and are looking to ride the good news to an electoral victory.

Bernard Dawson 28-07-2009 19:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 731772)
It really doesn't matter to me whether Brown stays or leaves ... but that last sentence doesn't really make sense. You say he is presiding over a "calamitous situation." This might be the case: so is President Obama and our PM Stephen Harper. But I don't see how he can be blamed for the mess .... maybe he is useless as a PM, and that is probably a good reason for giving him the boot; but he surely can't be held responsible for the economic mess that is being shared by most of the rest of the world.

If he holds on to power for a while, until the economic turn around arives, he might be able to claim responsibility for it. Over here, we are officially out of recession with modest growth for the last quarter of the year; and a growth of about 4% next year ... and already the Conservatives are claiming responsibility and are looking to ride the good news to an electoral victory.
It's interesting that Canada is now out of recession. Confidence would seem to be returning slowly in America as well

Although the British economy would seem to be lagging behind, there are however now several economist in this country predicting growth in the first quarter of 2010.

MargaretR 28-07-2009 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 731777)
Confidence would seem to be returning slowly in America as well
During my internet trawls I see no sign of a recovery in USA.
On the contrary there are predictions of massive civil unrest in October following national bankrupcy declaration expected at their financial year end at end of September.

They are even preparing to use troops returning from overseas to control the population
YouTube - Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations

Bernard Dawson 28-07-2009 23:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 731784)
During my internet trawls I see no sign of a recovery in USA.
On the contrary there are predictions of massive civil unrest in October following national bankrupcy declaration expected at their financial year end at end of September.

They are even preparing to use troops returning from overseas to control the population
YouTube - Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations
I think on this occasion Margaret, we seem to have been reading different reports on the American economy.

cashman 28-07-2009 23:44
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well i never thought i would say this but brown should slap the M.O.D. into shape, because appealing to the courts to REDUCE wounded soldiers injury payments is the most despicable thing i have ever heard, if he does not sort this insult to our fighting men out now he should go immediatly.:mad::mad:

Mancie 29-07-2009 00:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 731845)
well i never thought i would say this but brown should slap the M.O.D. into shape, because appealing to the courts to REDUCE wounded soldiers injury payments is the most despicable thing i have ever heard, if he does not sort this insult to our fighting men out now he should go immediatly.:mad::mad:
I agree it is beyond belief... it is a M.O.D action that has been brought by the Civil Service against appeals for increased compensation claims and has been used many,many, times in the past...I have a hunch that Brown did not even know about this case...it does say that this Prime Minister is out of touch ....let's be honest Blair's "spinners" would have spotted this injustice and nipped it in the bud..there really is no excuse.

just a qoute..Eric Joyce, the Labour MP for Falkirk who served in the Army, said: "The government is obliged to test the principles to get absolute clarity on what appropriate levels of payment should be made."

BERNADETTE 29-07-2009 00:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 731845)
well i never thought i would say this but brown should slap the M.O.D. into shape, because appealing to the courts to REDUCE wounded soldiers injury payments is the most despicable thing i have ever heard, if he does not sort this insult to our fighting men out now he should go immediatly.:mad::mad:
I agree and whilst all this is going on they are still getting away with claiming ludicrous amounts of expenses ie the extra £9,000 they have just allowed theirselves. They are just treating the voters with contempt. I am talking all the ones who agree to this travesty irrespective of which party they represent. Time to get their noses out of the trough and do the right thing but won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen. The lot of them are a disgrace!!!!!

cashman 29-07-2009 00:25
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 731849)
I agree it is beyond belief... it is a M.O.D action that has been brought by the Civil Service against appeals for increased compensation claims and has been used many,many, times in the past...I have a hunch that Brown did not even know about this case...it does say that this Prime Minister is out of touch ....let's be honest Blair's "spinners" would have spotted this injustice and nipped it in the bud..there really is no excuse.

just a qoute..Eric Joyce, the Labour MP for Falkirk who served in the Army, said: "The government is obliged to test the principles to get absolute clarity on what appropriate levels of payment should be made."
what also shocked me - under normal circumstances the tories n lib dems would have ripped the government to bits on this, yet on the news at 6-0 NOTHING, that implies to me they agree with it.:eek:

Mancie 29-07-2009 00:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 731851)
what also shocked me - under normal circumstances the tories n lib dems would have ripped the government to bits on this, yet on the news at 6-0 NOTHING, that implies to me they agree with it.:eek:
I reckon the liberals have nothing to lose by ripping into it.. but the tories have to use caution (unless they change the law) because this is a common response to any increase in compensation for injuries in defence personnel.. it's been going on for 50 or 60 years and the next government will inherit this farce.

Eric 29-07-2009 08:51
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 731777)
It's interesting that Canada is now out of recession. Confidence would seem to be returning slowly in America as well

Although the British economy would seem to be lagging behind, there are however now several economist in this country predicting growth in the first quarter of 2010.
I suppose it all depends on how one defines "recession". In Canada, it is two quarters of "negative growth" (I think we all know what this means, but it is a stupid way of putting it) ... if the following quarter promises growth, then the recession is over. Our advantage is, of course, our immense amount of natural resources; however, as we did participate in the bailout of GM, (20% of GM vehicles are made in Canada) we now own a fair chunk of the US automobile industry .... the govt. of Canada and the govt. of Ontario put up 20% of the bailout money ... however, unemployment is going to remain high for a while (it's always the worker who gets screwed). Maybe, if your PM holds on till the bitter end, he can claim credit for the recovery which I sincerely hope will happen in the UK. The Bank of Canada, a consrvative institution, not given to being over optimistic, seems really upbeat about our recovery. In my home town we haven't really been affected by the recession at all.

Stumped 29-07-2009 18:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 731772)
It really doesn't matter to me whether Brown stays or leaves ... but that last sentence doesn't really make sense. You say he is presiding over a "calamitous situation." This might be the case: so is President Obama and our PM Stephen Harper. But I don't see how he can be blamed for the mess .... maybe he is useless as a PM, and that is probably a good reason for giving him the boot; but he surely can't be held responsible for the economic mess that is being shared by most of the rest of the world.

If he holds on to power for a while, until the economic turn around arives, he might be able to claim responsibility for it. Over here, we are officially out of recession with modest growth for the last quarter of the year; and a growth of about 4% next year ... and already the Conservatives are claiming responsibility and are looking to ride the good news to an electoral victory.
I may be suffering from tunnel vision, but having experienced labour's previous administrative cock-ups which have always cost the tax payer dear, I see no reason whatsoever to laud a washed up twit who should never have been given the job in the first place.

Eric 29-07-2009 18:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 731996)
I may be suffering from tunnel vision, but having experienced labour's previous administrative cock-ups which have always cost the tax payer dear, I see no reason whatsoever to laud a washed up twit who should never have been given the job in the first place.
From what I read in the press, I can agree with the last part. However, there seems to be no shortage of "washed up twits" in politics ... there sure as hell is no shortage of them in Ottawa.;)

Royboy39 29-07-2009 19:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 731765)
Harold Wilson; Michael Foot; James Callaghan; previous labour prime ministers who, like the present nincompoop incumbent, did their level best to ruin the country. None of them, however, presided over the calamitous situation that this scottish toad has managed to wreak upon the nation.
I have left this for three days in the hope that someone of our labour fraternity would pick this up and comment....but alas no :eek:

Eric 29-07-2009 19:53
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 732011)
I have left this for three days in the hope that someone of our labour fraternity would pick this up and comment....but alas no :eek:
Maybe they are keeping their fingers crossed; hoping you wouldn't notice;)
But I don't think you can blame the mess on one person. That shifts the blame from the millions who voted for Labour, and the more millions that sit on their assses while their country goes down the tubes, and slips gently into that homogenized mess, the EU. Over here, we are becoming more nationalistic as a country .... even the Emperor of Japan, on a recent visit, commented on the overt patriotism he saw in Canada. If Brown goes, and no doubt he will, I hope the voters elect someone who stands on his hind legs and speaks out for Great Britain first .... and screw the rest of the world if they don't like it.:mosher: Even tho' Mexico is a member of NAFTA, it didn't stop our govt. from making Mexican visitors have a visa as well as a passport to visit our country. They don't like it; they protested; Screw 'em. This is our country; we make the rules. I just wish Britain would do the same ... it's a country which, for better or worse, shaped the world ... and probably in the early days of the second world war, saved the world. It's a damn shame ... and, it's unfair to dump all the blame on one man. Ineffective he may be; but I just can't see him as the villain of the piece.

Royboy39 29-07-2009 20:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 732016)
Maybe they are keeping their fingers crossed; hoping you wouldn't notice;)
But I don't think you can blame the mess on one person. That shifts the blame from the millions who voted for Labour, and the more millions that sit on their assses while their country goes down the tubes, and slips gently into that homogenized mess, the EU. Over here, we are becoming more nationalistic as a country .... even the Emperor of Japan, on a recent visit, commented on the overt patriotism he saw in Canada. If Brown goes, and no doubt he will, I hope the voters elect someone who stands on his hind legs and speaks out for Great Britain first .... and screw the rest of the world if they don't like it.:mosher: Even tho' Mexico is a member of NAFTA, it didn't stop our govt. from making Mexican visitors have a visa as well as a passport to visit our country. They don't like it; they protested; Screw 'em. This is our country; we make the rules. I just wish Britain would do the same ... it's a country which, for better or worse, shaped the world ... and probably in the early days of the second world war, saved the world. It's a damn shame ... and, it's unfair to dump all the blame on one man. Ineffective he may be; but I just can't see him as the villain of the piece.
Eric....There but for the grace of god go we.
No one, but no one has had the balls to stand up and say: we won our freedom and if you wish to take it from us go for it pal.
I am sorry Eric, but I have run out of words.

garinda 30-07-2009 10:40
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 732011)
I have left this for three days in the hope that someone of our labour fraternity would pick this up and comment....but alas no :eek:
No need to pass comment, he just won't be asked to be on the Accy Web quiz team.;)

jaysay 30-07-2009 11:12
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732122)
No need to pass comment, he just won't be asked to be on the Accy Web quiz team.;)
Oh I don't know Rindi he may be able to answer some of the American Baseball and football Questions and if he hasn't got the answers he'll know a man who does;)

garinda 30-07-2009 11:58
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 732133)
Oh I don't know Rindi he may be able to answer some of the American Baseball and football Questions and if he hasn't got the answers he'll know a man who does;)
Well if he thinks Michael Foot was ever Prime Minister of this country, you're very welcome to have him on your team, The Politically Blinkered Players.

He should fit in nicely.;)

MargaretR 30-07-2009 14:18
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Look at the petition for his resignation - #1
mine is #6 :)
Open petitions | Number10.gov.uk

jaysay 30-07-2009 15:57
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732138)
Well if he thinks Michael Foot was ever Prime Minister of this country, you're very welcome to have him on your team, The Politically Blinkered Players.

He should fit in nicely.;)
I was talking about Gordon not Roy:rolleyes:

garinda 30-07-2009 18:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 732170)
I was talking about Gordon not Roy:rolleyes:
I was talking of neither, but referring to the member who posted in this thread that Michael Foot had been P.M.;)

Good luck Blinkered Players.

Stumped 31-07-2009 18:15
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732218)
I was talking of neither, but referring to the member who posted in this thread that Michael Foot had been P.M.;)

Good luck Blinkered Players.
Michael Foot was elected leader of the labour party in 1980 and served in that capacity until 1983. Although he never became PM (gaffe on my part) he did fight and lose a general election in that capacity. My complete disillusion with past (and present) labour administrations has evidently succeeded in propelling me towards senility.

garinda 31-07-2009 18:36
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 732460)
Michael Foot was elected leader of the labour party in 1980 and served in that capacity until 1983... he did fight and lose a general election in that capacity.
Nobody is denying that, just your post that he served as Prime Minister.;)

If you get stumped with any other facts please feel free to ask.

jaysay 01-08-2009 09:01
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732464)
Nobody is denying that, just your post that he served as Prime Minister.;)

If you get stumped with any other facts please feel free to ask.
Thank god we were spared the sight of Mr Foot should at the dispatch box in his Donkey Jacket:D

Stumped 01-08-2009 19:13
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732464)
Nobody is denying that, just your post that he served as Prime Minister.;)

If you get stumped with any other facts please feel free to ask.
Sarcasm is still he lowest form of wit. An honest mistake hardly warrants same.

Stumped 01-08-2009 19:36
Re: brown just go.
 
For the record, none of the major parties would warrant my vote in any forthcoming general election, and judging from the seeming dissatisfaction demonstrated by all and sundry against the main political parties, how would folks feel if we summoned all our troops from back from fighting Labour's illegal wars and instigated a military coup? That'd surely sort out the wheat from the chaff!

SPUGGIE J 01-08-2009 21:48
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A military coup would make us as bad as some of the third world countries that we want to change. Do you want something along the lines of Burma? The public has the right to pick and choose its govenment based on their right to vote. Military intervention has never really solved any problems for that country just fear and resentment. The end result is chaos and death something 99.9% of people do not want. I a govenment is unpopular and no good at running the country then they face the voters wrath at a general election. Then they have only themselves to blame. That is true people power!!!

cashman 01-08-2009 22:52
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military coup, theres been some stupid comments on here. (n ive made a few of em) but that really takes the biscuit.:rolleyes:

Mancie 01-08-2009 23:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 732657)
For the record, none of the major parties would warrant my vote in any forthcoming general election, and judging from the seeming dissatisfaction demonstrated by all and sundry against the main political parties, how would folks feel if we summoned all our troops from back from fighting Labour's illegal wars and instigated a military coup? That'd surely sort out the wheat from the chaff!
:D...you can't beat a bit of good old fashioned right wing Fascism! :D

garinda 01-08-2009 23:13
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 732657)
For the record, none of the major parties would warrant my vote in any forthcoming general election, and judging from the seeming dissatisfaction demonstrated by all and sundry against the main political parties, how would folks feel if we summoned all our troops from back from fighting Labour's illegal wars and instigated a military coup? That'd surely sort out the wheat from the chaff!
...and after your coup d'état, and we'd bade farwell to democracy, and said hello to an illegal government, presumably brought about by violent force, who would be in it?

Your talk of wheat and chaff makes me think of only one thing...crackers.

garinda 01-08-2009 23:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 732694)
:D...you can't beat a bit of good old fashioned right wing Fascism! :D
You can.

I prefer to do it with a bamboo cane.

jaysay 02-08-2009 09:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732706)
You can.

I prefer to do it with a bamboo cane.
And some one with a Black Leather Mask Rindi:D

garinda 02-08-2009 09:21
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 732773)
And some one with a Black Leather Mask Rindi:D
Wearing a mask doesn't intensify the short, sharp, whack of pain.

So no mask is needed.

Plus it's nice for those who receive the virtual whack, to see the smile on my face as I admonish it.

:)

jaysay 02-08-2009 09:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732778)
Wearing a mask doesn't intensify the short, sharp, whack of pain.

So no mask is needed.

Plus it's nice for those who receive the virtual whack, to see the smile on my face as I admonish it.

:)
Whatever floats your boat:p

garinda 02-08-2009 16:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 732792)
Whatever floats your boat:p
It doesn't 'float mt boat', but those of you who post flights of fancy on here, often totally out of touch with reality, seem to like being kept in check.

You probably like me for the same reason you loved Maggie.

Now go away, and don't forget to wash your hands.

Stumped 02-08-2009 17:57
Re: brown just go.
 
Tee . . . hee. Thought that might stir up a hornets nest! I accept that my comments were nonsensical and that true democracy is the only answer to the formation of a stable society. Pity, though, that Brown seems to disagree.

SPUGGIE J 02-08-2009 19:00
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 732861)
Tee . . . hee. Thought that might stir up a hornets nest! I accept that my comments were nonsensical and that true democracy is the only answer to the formation of a stable society. Pity, though, that Brown seems to disagree.
The answer to that is below.
:whack::flamethro:uzi::hitting8::spank::behead:

Stumped 03-08-2009 17:35
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 732872)
The answer to that is below.
:whack::flamethro:uzi::hitting8::spank::behead:
Playing 'Devil's Advocate' is a sure fire way of raising the temperature in any topical debate, with politics always bringing out the best - and the worst - in contributors. Should the freedom of speech be denied us, though, then the world would be a much sadder place for those of us who are still able to practice it.

I rest my case.

garinda 03-08-2009 18:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 733024)
Playing 'Devil's Advocate' is a sure fire way of raising the temperature in any topical debate, with politics always bringing out the best - and the worst - in contributors. Should the freedom of speech be denied us, though, then the world would be a much sadder place for those of us who are still able to practice it.

I rest my case.
We already have a member who plays devil's advocate. She admits to posting statements she doesn't belive in, just to cause controversy.

In the virtual world of forums, it's called being a troll.

Happily the vast majority of Accy Web members only bother posting the things they actually believe in, and mean.

;)

Stumped 03-08-2009 18:32
Re: brown just go.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 733036)
We already have a member who plays devil's advocate. She admits to posting statements she doesn't belive in, just to cause controversy.

In the virtual world of forums, it's called being a troll.

Happily the vast majority of Accy Web members only bother posting the things they actually believe in, and mean.

;)
I'll keep my gob shut in future then.

garinda 03-08-2009 18:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 733040)
I'll keep my gob shut in future then.
There's certainly no need to do that.

Just post whatever you actually mean.

If you do that, in this virtual world of a forum, people learn to trust what you say to be true, to you at least, even if they don't agree with you.

:)

Mancie 04-08-2009 02:51
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Where has this recssion hurt?..everyday essentials and living standanters have dropped...for anyone that has lost their jobs and now rely on a fixed income their standard of living has taken a battering..but the Tories tell us that we have to make drastic cuts in Nationonal spending... cuts in the NHS.. cuts in benifits..cuts in defence.. and at the same time give extra cash to those earning over £800 per week! according to David Cameron in the future this country will be run like Tesco's and Asda.
Is it really that bad?..do we have to cut funds to child benifit and the NHS?.. the Tories will go forth with this policy because it is the only option for them...same old cut taxes for the rich and let it dribble down to the working man and women.. it is the only policy they have held since WW2.

Boeing Guy 04-08-2009 08:35
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out of interest Mancie, what do you consider Working Man or Woman? Is there a financial limit of pay per week, as you say over £800.00. or something more complex?
:mosher:

Mancie 04-08-2009 09:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 733193)
out of interest Mancie, what do you consider Working Man or Woman? Is there a financial limit of pay per week, as you say over £800.00. or something more complex?
:mosher:
I consider a "working man or woman" as anyone who works for a living.. the wages we earn are a massive consideration ... there are people earning £800 a week and it makes me wonder if this credit crunch is real.. I do not accept that any household with an income of £600-800 a week are feeling hardship in this credit crunch.. but the Tories say they are.

jaysay 04-08-2009 09:12
Re: brown just go.
 
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 733201)
I consider a "working man or woman" as anyone who works for a living.. the wages we earn are a massive consideration ... there are people earning £800 a week and it makes me wonder if this credit crunch is real.. I do not accept that any household with an income of £600-800 a week are feeling hardship in this credit crunch.. but the Tories say they are.
Mancie my friend you really are a dinosaur;)


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