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Stumped 04-08-2009 17:23

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Point taken.

garinda 04-08-2009 17:55

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Point taken.

It's only one point, not necessarily the right one.:p

Good to have your point of view on here though, so have some welcome karma for giving it.:)

andrewb 05-08-2009 07:23

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Where has this recssion hurt?..everyday essentials and living standanters have dropped...for anyone that has lost their jobs and now rely on a fixed income their standard of living has taken a battering..but the Tories tell us that we have to make drastic cuts in Nationonal spending... cuts in the NHS.. cuts in benifits..cuts in defence.. and at the same time give extra cash to those earning over £800 per week! according to David Cameron in the future this country will be run like Tesco's and Asda.
Is it really that bad?..do we have to cut funds to child benifit and the NHS?.. the Tories will go forth with this policy because it is the only option for them...same old cut taxes for the rich and let it dribble down to the working man and women.. it is the only policy they have held since WW2.

Unemployment heading for over 3million, with analysts predicting we could reach 4million and people having their homes repossessed is hurting. Cuts are needed, we have talk of our debt reaching £2.3trillion. I know enormous figures like that just look like a statistic, but it's real money! How else are we going to pay it back? We can't just keep borrowing.

garinda 05-08-2009 10:11

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How else are we going to pay it back? We can't just keep borrowing.

You could do as you did last time, sell off nationalised companies, and privatise everything.

Although you've really only got a nationalised health service left to do that with this time.

jaysay 05-08-2009 10:56

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 733622)
You could do as you did last time, sell off nationalised companies, and privatise everything.

Although you've really only got a nationalised health service left to do that with this time.

And this Government has virtually done that:rolleyes:

garinda 05-08-2009 14:26

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And this Government has virtually done that:rolleyes:

I thought you'd posted you are always pleased with the level of service provided by the nationalised health service?

jaysay 05-08-2009 15:56

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I thought you'd posted you are always pleased with the level of service provided by the nationalised health service?

Happy with the service but not how its run, decisions should be made on clinical need not to satisfy whims of Government ministers and administrators obsessed with targets

Eric 05-08-2009 16:43

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Mancie my friend you really are a dinosaur;)

Of course he's a dinosaur: He's a Makingecomicsenseasaurus. In a recession such as this, one has to spend to get out of it. The govts. of Canada and the US have pumped billions into the auto industry. Most of this will help the workers, not only in the auto manufacuring industry, but also in all those sectors which feed off it. Even the unions recognize the sense of this. And you don't cut programmes that help the poor and hand money in the form of tax breaks to those who already have too much. Under right wing govts., the amount of the national wealth available to the already wealthy increases; and the poor sods who have little get less. This inequity is at the root of many social problems. Trickle down economics doesn't work .... never has, never will. The rich do not take tax breaks and invest the money in the economy. They stash it away in places like the Cayman Islands. Labour didn't cause the ecomic problems the world has faced over the past little while. The problems were caused by right wing Republican/Tory businessmen who got too greedy, and who lined their pockets (legally and illegally). They didin't, and still don't, give a rats ass about the integrity of the national economy. And these creeps are tories to the max.

Our conservative govt. works well; but that is only because it is in a minority position. They do some of the right things, not because they really want to, but because the Liberals (a tad left of centre right now), and the New Democrats (Labour), and the Bloc Quebecois (if you can't figure them out, don't worry about it), are on their asses all the time. Stephen Harper behaves because he knows his job is on the line.

steeljack 06-08-2009 05:43

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The govts. of Canada and the US have pumped billions into the auto industry. Most of this will help the workers, not only in the auto manufacuring industry, but also in all those sectors which feed off it. Even the unions recognize the sense of this. .

Yep, the 'trade in a clunker' program is working real well , be interesting to see 6 /9 months from now how many new cars are being repo'd because the poor saps can't make the payments , also interesting to see that over 60% of the new cars being bought under this new program are from overseas manufacturers hardly helping the UAW members on both sides of our common border (US-Can ) :confused: :confused: ;)

Mancie 06-08-2009 12:21

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Happy with the service but not how its run, decisions should be made on clinical need not to satisfy whims of Government ministers and administrators obsessed with targets

your happy with the service ..but not how it's run?..and what do you reckon should be done abut a service you are happy with?..keep taking the gas Jaysay but it does seem to get you confused these days

jaysay 06-08-2009 16:17

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 733836)
your happy with the service ..but not how it's run?..and what do you reckon should be done abut a service you are happy with?..keep taking the gas Jaysay but it does seem to get you confused these days

I'm happy with the people that provide the service, but not with the people in ivory towers that make the decisions, to me decisions should be made by clinicians, for the good of the patient, not somebody only there to placate the government targets. People running the NHS should have a full medical background not out of work double glazing salesmen or former supermarket managers

Bernard Dawson 06-08-2009 19:06

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I'm happy with the people that provide the service, but not with the people in ivory towers that make the decisions, to me decisions should be made by clinicians, for the good of the patient, not somebody only there to placate the government targets. People running the NHS should have a full medical background not out of work double glazing salesmen or former supermarket managers

So if I was an out of work double glazing salesman, I could get a job running the health service could I?

Eric 06-08-2009 20:39

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 733953)
So if I was an out of work double glazing salesman, I could get a job running the health service could I?

With qualifications like that you could be PM, and run the whole country:mosher:

garinda 07-08-2009 00:08

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With qualifications like that you could be PM, and run the whole country:mosher:

...although you would need to be Scottish too, or have been educated there.

:D

Mancie 07-08-2009 04:56

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I'm happy with the people that provide the service, but not with the people in ivory towers that make the decisions, to me decisions should be made by clinicians, for the good of the patient, not somebody only there to placate the government targets. People running the NHS should have a full medical background not out of work double glazing salesmen or former supermarket managers

Your lot installed the Private Mangement scheme in 1988..and we were told would do wonders for the NHS..the first sacked and privatised were the cleaners.. then the caterers.. these are the people you are most likley to start on on when having a go at the NHS ..talk facts man..then we all know were we stand.

SPUGGIE J 07-08-2009 05:55

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 734025)
...although you would need to be Scottish too, or have been educated there.

:D

Please dont insult Scots. The bam in Downing Street is from Fife a region that thinks its better than everywere and everyone else. :eek::p

jaysay 07-08-2009 08:57

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 733953)
So if I was an out of work double glazing salesman, I could get a job running the health service could I?

With this governmen to right, so long as you were a party faithful:rolleyes:

jaysay 07-08-2009 09:08

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 734048)
Your lot installed the Private Mangement scheme in 1988..and we were told would do wonders for the NHS..the first sacked and privatised were the cleaners.. then the caterers.. these are the people you are most likley to start on on when having a go at the NHS ..talk facts man..then we all know were we stand.

Only last month I was talking to the engineer who deals with my home oxygen supply who had been to a meeting the previous day, a new senior respetry nurse had taken over ( incidentally she used be West Enders Nurse) also at this meeting was the new area coordinator for the home oxygen service, after this meeting this engineer was talking to the new area coordinator, he asked how she was getting on, she replied she was getting the hang of it, he then asked what department she worked in previously, I didn't work in the health service I was area rep for a wholesale Grocery firm. One week selling baked beans to supermarkets the next coordinating home oxygen, wonderful:(

jaysay 08-08-2009 14:34

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Former county council leader takes top East Lancashire health role (From Lancashire Telegraph)
Jobs for the boys or Girls:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::roll eyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

katex 08-08-2009 16:02

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Former county council leader takes top East Lancashire health role (From Lancashire Telegraph)
Jobs for the boys or Girls:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::roll eyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

From what I read Jaysay, this lady is well qualified to take over a post such as this. Seems like all the best jobs in HBC have gone to Conservative members if you require an example of 'jobs for the boys'.. :p

I understand people saying that if you take over a job (as per your little example), that they should be qualified on their product ... like the product in the NHS is us ... the sick. However, are councillors and M.P.s the most qualified to take up their positions ? They all have to rely on advisors whether it be Leisure, Dustbins, Police, Education, Transport, Planning, Housing, Economic matters etc., 'Jack of all Trades; Master of None' in other words.

What qualifications did your friend (PB) have to wield so much power over the spending of our taxes ..... wasn't he a teacher or summat ? ...:rolleyes:

garinda 08-08-2009 18:09

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 734671)
What qualifications did your friend (PB) have to wield so much power over the spending of our taxes ..... wasn't he a teacher or summat ? ...:rolleyes:

Education
Accriwoton Grammar School 1961-67
Chorely College of Education 1976


Non-political career
Special Needs Teacher, Hywdburn School For Past 20 Years








garinda 08-08-2009 18:19

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BBC NEWS | VOTE 2001 | CANDIDATES

I have posted this handy c.v. from the B.B.C. before on Accy Web.

It's unclear whether he supplied all the details, and associated spelling mistakes, himself. As no one has commented when I've drawn attention to it.

As a c.v. details are pretty scarce. No mention of selling sweeties, or even ladies frocks.

If I received this document in the post I'd only bother replying if the job in question was of the menial variety.

(Although he was working at my primary school whilst I attended, I was never one of his special needs pupils. Thank God.)

:D

Bernard Dawson 08-08-2009 18:25

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I am led to believe Peter was a good teacher. It's just a pity he didn't stick to it

garinda 08-08-2009 18:41

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 734740)
I am led to believe Peter was a good teacher.

I've posted that he was on this forum, and that children that he taught, who I know, loved him.

Perhaps the four walls of a classroom are a more secure environment for containing megalomania, than a political boundary.:rolleyes:

jaysay 09-08-2009 09:20

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 734740)
I am led to believe Peter was a good teacher. It's just a pity he didn't stick to it

They recon Mr Jones is a good printer let's hope me never gets he chance of a career move:rolleyes:

jaysay 09-08-2009 09:23

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From what I read Jaysay, this lady is well qualified to take over a post such as this. Seems like all the best jobs in HBC have gone to Conservative members if you require an example of 'jobs for the boys'.. :p

I understand people saying that if you take over a job (as per your little example), that they should be qualified on their product ... like the product in the NHS is us ... the sick. However, are councillors and M.P.s the most qualified to take up their positions ? They all have to rely on advisors whether it be Leisure, Dustbins, Police, Education, Transport, Planning, Housing, Economic matters etc., 'Jack of all Trades; Master of None' in other words.

What qualifications did your friend (PB) have to wield so much power over the spending of our taxes ..... wasn't he a teacher or summat ? ...:rolleyes:

I'm just wondering where this job was advertised or are the only qualifications that you have to be a Labour Lackey:rolleyes:

katex 09-08-2009 09:48

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 734888)
I'm just wondering where this job was advertised or are the only qualifications that you have to be a Labour Lackey:rolleyes:

You will really have to start reading your own links Jaysay, one reader gave the answer :D :

Appointments Commission - apppointments section home page

jaysay 09-08-2009 10:14

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 734898)
You will really have to start reading your own links Jaysay, one reader gave the answer :D :

Appointments Commission - apppointments section home page

Its bad enough reading articles let alone readers comments, life's to short, the appointments commission will be top heave with Government place people who make sure the right people get the right jobs, well I suppose she had to find some way of replacing her £46000 a year salary from LCC, unfortunately she have to make do with £23000, but after all its only part time:rolleyes:

SPUGGIE J 09-08-2009 10:54

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I wouldnt mind 23k for part time work. Mind you though if rumours about MP's working less then maybe they need to clock in the same as the rest of us base workers have to.

Stumped 03-09-2009 18:55

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Toad of Toad Hall simply has to go. Now that the Yanks are on Brown's case with the scathing (but true) editorials in the American press following the release of the Locherbie Bomber, surely it's time for the scurvy Westminster crew to walk the plank.

Eric 03-09-2009 23:25

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 741698)
Toad of Toad Hall simply has to go. Now that the Yanks are on Brown's case with the scathing (but true) editorials in the American press following the release of the Locherbie Bomber, surely it's time for the scurvy Westminster crew to walk the plank.

No way; they would scare the sharks. Question: does anyone really give a flying you-know-what about what the yanks think:confused: We don't ... and we are their neighbours. When our politicians pee off the Americans, their popularity goes up.:mosher:

Stumped 04-09-2009 17:44

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No way; they would scare the sharks. Question: does anyone really give a flying you-know-what about what the yanks think:confused: We don't ... and we are their neighbours. When our politicians pee off the Americans, their popularity goes up.:mosher:

We have little choice over here as any elected UK Government is rendered toothless by the unelected shower in Brussels. I'd endure the Yanks over the ungrateful Frogs any day of the week.

Eric 04-09-2009 17:50

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Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 742122)
We have little choice over here as any elected UK Government is rendered toothless by the unelected shower in Brussels. I'd endure the Yanks over the ungrateful Frogs any day of the week.

Sounds like it's time that someone in parliament grew a pair:rolleyes:

SPUGGIE J 04-09-2009 19:18

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Sounds like it's time that someone in parliament grew a pair:rolleyes:


The only balls in parliment are balls ups. Mindyou with some of the dickheads in there you would there would be a few extra large bean bags about.

jaysay 05-09-2009 08:49

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The only balls in parliment are balls ups. Mindyou with some of the dickheads in there you would there would be a few extra large bean bags about.

And the main one is called Ed:D

Stumped 05-09-2009 19:17

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The only balls in parliment are balls ups. Mindyou with some of the dickheads in there you would there would be a few extra large bean bags about.

When junior defence ministers start to throw in the towel, our armed forces are left in even more of a limbo than they currently are. What a shameful way for any government to behave. Balls! This lot are surely the most craven bunch of cretins ever to grace the halls of Westminster.


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