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non elected prime minister. at number 11 downing st sold our gold reserves for next nothing has brought this country to it's knee's he is a back door scotsman what they have wanted for years oh and please take jack straw as well and the rest of labour party . not good for this country. ah got it off my chest.

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are you on one tonight?

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no quite sober.

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lol i didnt mean drunk

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whilst i have no love fer brown, to say that he's brought the country to its knees, just illustrates a typical "Tory":rolleyes:

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As was John Major, when they booted Maggie out.

Happily being non-partisan, and not blindly following any one party, it allows me to see the broader picture.;)

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And use capital letters for the first time in the thread! :D

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You've noticed to have you TM. I too would like to see the back of Brown, but not before June next year, unless he has the guts to call an election earlier:D

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We don't elect Prime Ministers in this Country, we elect our MP's.
If you are a member of a party you may get the chance to elect the leader of that party.

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Major might not have been elected in, but when he did go to the polls, he won the election with the highest number of votes in UK election history.

Still messed it up, like most politicians.

Gordon should Go.................................Now

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Plus he did challenged the parliamentary party to back him or sack him, they backed him

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...with the majority reduced from 102 seats, under Thatcher at the '87 election, to a paltry 21 seat majority.

Hardly a ringing endorsement.

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I reckon you will get your way next may/june.. and then I do hope you post again about how well the country is doing under tory rule...

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Doesn't matter who gets in at the next election. The massive budget deficit means that there will have to be large-scale cuts and any politicians who say otherwise are either liars or fools.

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that's true Wynonie..but there will be a difference in were those cuts are made... income tax cuts.?..or cuts to the NHS, pensions,investments in technology and benifits for working parents bringing up the next generation..take your choice.

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Cuts? Lets start with the obvious shall we:

• Get out the EU - Saving £30bn annually

• Shut down the Dept. of Overseas Development - Savings £10bn

• Let the Scots have independence - Saving £18bn

• Give the Scots responsibility for their banks that got us into this mess - saving £200bn

• Shut down the Quangos - saving £60bn

• Sack half of all bureaucrats - whatever dept - saving £30bn

• Sling out so called asylum seekers - saving £4bn

• Sling out Brown, Darling and the other crooks - saving, priceless.

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the EU have given grants worth over 80 billion to farmers and devoplement to britain..so no savings there... I'd rather get rid of you than any asylum seeker... do us a favour and top yerself..could save us a few quid on bullets!

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thing is headline cuts to the NHS are seen as bad, ask a Nurse ( my sister being one) and they don't mind cuts if that removes all the middle management and interference layers that stop them doing their job. The NHS can according to her be run on a fraction of the current cost if it was run like an actual business rather than a job creation factory.

Pension cuts? my pension is all in Money purchase as I was never in a final salary scheme so all my money is invested where I choose. The only impact the gov can have on that is in keeping us in recession and share prices and other investments low. As this is not good for anyone rich and poor in equal measure.

As for investments in technology. The NHS system is a joke. its cost HUGE amounts of money and in IT circles was known to be doomed before it kicked off. The Passport system went through money faster than you do Stella.

You call me Tory but like Garinda I think myself non partisan. I'm happy to slag off both sides equally and pass positive comment where appropriate. At this moment the Labour Gov are doing themselves no favours. OK they haven't been helped by the Merkins borrowing and lending but lets be honest they have embraced a debt culture far in excess of anything ever seen before and if the merkins hadn't gone pop it wouldn't have been long before we did.

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That's a coincidence, because that's exactly what my missus who also works in the NHS says. In fact, most people who work in real jobs in the NHS seem to say that. As for the IT project, it's nothing short of a scandal - billions and billions of £'s worth of our money wasted on an unworkable system. Cuts could be made in the NHS without affecting patient care - just cut the bureacracy!

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They've started already..according to entwisi and his sister cuts in funds to the NHS are a good thing... and cuts in real terms for people with no other income but a state pension is a good thing because old people should invest the money they rely on from week to week in whatever stocks and share they can get a return from....typical Tory ("back to the 80's) garbage...this is a prime example of what we are heading for under Tory rule...the greedy will survive and toss out the less well off!

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I'm quite sure that you lot south of the river in Bermondsey know all about bullets....after all, that is the No 1 criminal hotspot in the whole of the UK with proportionately more drive-by's and child murders than anywhere else. However, over here in Wapping and back in Accy we are a little more civilised and as such we are capable of having a civilised exchange of opinion without resort to threats of this nature.

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Don't you understand the difference between red tape and front line services?...oh well, never mind! :rolleyes:

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cor blimey Wynonie...they've even roped you into the belief that cuts are good ..roll on 1979.. all is lost!

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In the nine years 1997-2005 inclusive, the UK, in aggregate, paid over £108.4bn to EU institutions & received back £64.4bn, resulting in an aggregate Net Contribution of £44.0bn.

Couldn't let you get away with that one, Mancie!

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Yep, I believe that cutting out wasteful spending is good! Does that make me a Tory? How strange!

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come on..we all should know what "cuts in wasteful spending" means under the Tories... it means lower wages for the people that actually do the job and high returns for the private fat cats that do sod all other than turn up for meetings once a week... do you really think the Tories have changed the policy they have had for 200 yrs?

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So you think that carrying on with an NHS overburdened with non-productive bureacrats and saddled with a ruinously expensive IT system that doesn't work is going to benefit ordinary people?

Oh well, it takes all sorts...

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didn't say that at all, the state pension is now to do with the pension cuts that GB has performed ( Yes, LABOUR has scammed more from Pensions than any other Gov in History). State pension comes from my taxes which as you know are nothing to do with pension cuts. My Mum is 79 and relies on her state pension fo every day shopping and life. You seem to forget I come from ordinary Spring Hill Stock and its only in the last 10 years through hard work and some luck that I have made my way up the salary schemes. 10 years ago I earned 1/4 what I do now. I have spent evenings coppering up to get some beans and cheap bread from ALDI cause there was no food in and we'd no money to buy stuff. I've free wheeled my car down from Redcap to Church commercial on my way home from a 15 hours shift at the Redcap because I had no money for petrol. Don't think that I am some silver spoon born monster with no understanding of what its like to not have money.

What I do object to is the sheer waste of money that this goverment have allowed to exist for so long that we really have no idea what it costs to do stuff any more.

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and you did all that in the last ten years under a Labour Government entwisi?...think about it.

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I think that it's better to invest more money into the NHS and let it work reasonably well ...rather that cut funds and let it fall to ruin as it did in the 80's.

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Investing money into the NHS is only a good thing if it's spent wisely - ie, as much of it on front line services as possible. The government is squandering a large part of the money that goes into the NHS at the moment on unnecessary layers of management and unworkable IT systems. Still, your blinkers will never let you see that, will they?

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I gave up with Mancie a long time ago, I just nod and say whatever now Wynonie:rolleyes:

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I'd say in spite of them as they have done nothing to assist me in that time. its is I who have actively sought out the right skills and opportunities to get where I am. Its me that has put the effort into making the most of these opportunities.

I run environmentally friendly cars as my job is > 50 miles from home, do I get the tax break they give new ones... nope

I am constantly retraining myself on latest skills, any tax breaks? nope

I look after my Mum who needs care, she is on the list for sheltered accomodation, current waiting list unending, due to lack of goverment support to provide the right amount of social housing. its over 20 years ago that it was noted we were becoming an 'older' population but nothing done to provide for this.

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just in case you dont already have one here you go

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/bl...s/340/bp01.jpg

sorry but couldnt afford a trumpet for you to blow:D

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I did all my trumpet blowing in the BB brass band thanks mate.....

I was never into BP either so you can keep your badge in exchange for my name back on FB

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National Statistics Online

Scary.

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well get rid of yer mirrors.:D

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add me to msn and we can talk about it

[email protected]

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One of our Prime Ministers, John Diefenbaker, once said that politicians use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post ... more for support than illumination.;)

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Not in the UK....people like Gordon Brown use statistics like a dog uses a lamp post.

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I'm not stupid enough to think that eveything in the NHS is lovely and rosey...but I do not agree with any cuts to funding...when the Tories do start making the cuts it won't be in mamagement and I.T. systems ..it will start with cleaning staff etc and eventually in nurses...we've seen it all before, they will set up private monitoring "consultants" which cost millions...and you call me blinkered.. get yer head out the sand, these consultant agencies with be laughing all the way to the bank.

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you've got some cheek...you are a life long Tory activist whose posts are 99% pro Tory..behave yerself Jaysay...you aint fooling anyone

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:.Tealeaf is the bloke that posted this earlier in this thread

Cuts? Lets start with the obvious shall we:

• Get out the EU - Saving £30bn annually

• Shut down the Dept. of Overseas Development - Savings £10bn

• Let the Scots have independence - Saving £18bn

• Give the Scots responsibility for their banks that got us into this mess - saving £200bn

• Shut down the Quangos - saving £60bn

• Sack half of all bureaucrats - whatever dept - saving £30bn

• Sling out so called asylum seekers - saving £4bn

• Sling out Brown, Darling and the other crooks - saving, priceless.

so you don't use statistics Tealeaf? :rolleyes:

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punish him for me Eroll..he's been a naughty boy!

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Statistics is the interpretation and presentation of data. The above are simple numbers. Although I am often tempted to use statistics on here to elaborate a case, I am also aware that would invariably marginalise those of limited intelligence such as Mancie.

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Sorry?...where did I say in any of my posts that I support the Tories in any way, shape or form? Unlike you I'm not enslaved to one political party. That's the problem with your simplistic way of looking at things - if you dare to criticise the present government, then you must be a Tory.

The point I was making is that BOTH major political parties are pulling the wool over our eyes about the extent of the financial mess we are in...£1.4 trillion in debt and rising by the hour.

But never mind, Mancie, you go on believing that Gordon can save us all...it's probably a good strategy to retreat from reality in the present situation! ;)

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One thing that Mancie never see's is that every Labour Government has left this country like a SH1T tip, 79 we were no better than a banana republic, bankrupt, the sick man of Europe, when Brown finally gets kicked out we'll be the heaviest tax country in Europe and will be in unprecedented debt, all this after inheriting the best economic figures of any incoming government in history

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Well said:D

I don't bother with Mancie these days, anyone who resorts to name calling just because you don't share their viewpoint are not worth bothering with.

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I do apologise..I realise that to call someone a "Tory" is an unacceptable insult! :rolleyes:

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So, if Brown goes, what is the alternative? Will the tories come along with some magic wand and make everything better? What are the specific things that govt. could do to get the UK out of the mess it so obviously is in? You have massive debt, high unemployment, problems with your immigrants (particularly the ones who seem to get off on blowing up buses and subways), a population density that is through the roof, stagnating industry, a parliament reeling under the assault of scandal after scandal .... etc. I don't see anything that would respond to a quick fix ..... other than, of course, getting rid of a very unpopular govt. and replacing it with one which for a while will have the confidence of the people. We have similar problems: not with the population density, or the immigrants, or, perhaps the scandals; but there is always one waiting in the wings, ready to trot out onto the stage. No one here seems to want a change of govt. ... in fact, when our tory govt. was facing a none confidence motion over its economic recovery plan, public opinion was strongly opposed to another election. Maybe there is no clamour because we have a minority govt. at the moment.

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Now that's more like it Jaysay..you pinned your colours to the mast..anti- Labour... hope your future posts are the same instead of pussying around.

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Spot on Eric...Tealeafs original post says get rid of Brown but it's clear he means get rid of Labour...now that's fair enough...but some people on here have an agenda to use the site as a platform for their own political leanings, and if they get challenge they jump all over those with a different view.

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Hey Mancie......I usually pin my colours to winners also.
Your brain dead labour members tried to create a situation today about a long dead investigation into voice mail....and the now long gone John Prescott tried to make or score policital points from it. What a dick.
The Sun are running scared and in an effort to sell newspapers, along with the Guardian are 'Spinning' all the bullshine that newspapers do for a living.
Maybe Tealeaf didnt say it but I will............Get shut of this Labour Government.....Now.

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well Roy if your saying the Tories will win the next election I reckon you are correct...and you do make it clear who you support, so we all know were we stand.

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Just imagine pal, twelve years under tory rule without your consistant reference to Maggie.
Man Uts in second place to City or Liverpool.
Your world is falling apart mate. :eek:

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not to worry..I have it on good authority that the world will end at exactly..

12:34:56 07/08/09

123456789...

So no Tories..no City or Liverpool.. sorted...I'll die happy:D

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I don't think the tapping of phones by the Tory party's communications director is long dead... these people are not even in power yet use their time gathering private information..stolen information.. which may be "leaked" to certian newspapers in their efforts for power, another Watergate springs to mind...I'm glad you brought it up Roy..very tastey!

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I'm not enslaved by any party.. unlike Jaysay and Tealeaf.. I am anti Tory because I think the Tories are lying,corrupt dirty scumbags.. that's my outlook.. and it is simplistic..this Government should be held up for the present situation but the Tories will cut funds to the NHS ..and I don't agree with that.. it's common sense to me but you have your views and I've got mine.

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And the present government aren't? They lied in order to embroil us in an unnecessary war...they lied about giving us a refendum on the European Constitution/Lisbon Treaty...and as for corruption, well the last few weeks have shown them in their true colours. They're every bit as bad as the Tories and if you can't see that, you really should take your blinkers off!

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The Conservatives have already placed firm that they won't cut the NHS budget. For examples sake lets look at education. If the government bring in £100 from taxation and owe £1,000, do you think it's wise to continue spending £200 on education because 'cuts are bad'?

I say Conservatives because you reference them specifically. We all know the governments own spending plans are to cut public spending. It's all public in the red book.

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...yes, they have. They've also pledged that they won't cut education and overseas aid (bet the latter will go down well with Jaysay and Royboy! :D ).

Of course, whether you believe them or not is another matter, but I've read somewhere or other that they're planning to make 10% cuts on everything else. It's been estimated that the outcome will be a reduction of next year's spending bill from £717 million to £695 million - hardly enough to get us out of the mess we're in.

The fact is both parties are pulling the wool over our eyes about the gravity of the situation!

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Pinned my colours to the mast:eek:, when have I ever said that I'm not a Tory and proud of the fact, you really do live in a dream world Mancie, where flowers and trees grow all day and young men in their white coats are coming to take you away, sooner rather thn later I hope:rolleyes:

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Why would the Tories want to pull the wool over anyboodies eyes Wynonie, after all its going to be them that have to clear up Labours mess AGAIN

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Because they don't want the electorate to know about the inadequacies of their budget proposals until the next election is safely out of the way. Incidentally, I see you haven't commented on the boy David's wizard wheeze to preserve the full funding on overseas aid. ;)

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Its really hard to start talking budgets when you really don't know to what extent this lot have put us in hoch for, just like the Cheshire Cat said before the 1997 election "we haven't seen the books" but concidering what they inherited and what they'll leave, the Tories will get the Sh1t end of the stick AGAIN. As for, as you put it the boy Davids ideas on overseas aid, I ain't got a clue, never heard about it, thats maybe because I have a life and don't listen to, or for that matter read about front line politics very much these days, just enough to get me by and get up Mancie's nose:D

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Well, if that's the case, they shouldn't be making rash promises about ring fencing certain areas and making 10% cuts. As for your "politician's answer" about matey Dave's pledge not to cut overseas aid, I take it that's one part of the Tory manifesto you won't be agreeing with! :D

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There is no chance that investment in technology is going to be cut :p

I think the NHS needs massive reform anyway and is probably wasting a lot of money anyway. I reckon a new government would be a breath of fresh air even if it was pretty rubbish for a while whilst they tried to get things on back.

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If anyone thinks that any political party is going to fully resolve the mess this country is in in the next few years then you'd be very naive :p

It's going to be a Conservative government and they are bound to spend most of their time just fixing the Labour mess by whatever means possible. Who would want to start building on this foundation? Anyone with sense would fix that first :p

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Excuse me but I'm off to lie down in a dark room, I actuall agree with blazey for once:D

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No you don't ... she agrees with you; there is a difference;)

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Never thought of it like that Eric:D

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I actually only read a few posts and I only got up to Mancie's, which I quoted, before I posted the rest of my opinion, and I don't remember if I agreed with anyone before I got there.

I am capable of having my own opinion. I don't really see why it matters if it matches anyone else's, it's not like ANY government is going to listen :p

I think real change will come from action, and as we're in an era of stamping out as much protest as possible by throwing terrorist legislation at it, I guess that isn't going to happen unless it comes from the governments themselves.

Now Dave has got his head around the idea of change, but whether he has his head around what the public want and NEED is a different matter.

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well i read somewhere a few weeks ago, the tory ******* intend to do away with bus passes fer the elderly etc, it may suprise a few of the knob heads, but it sure will not suprise me.:rolleyes:

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Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail cashy:D

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yeah they are only going to cut bus passes up in areas cameron dosnt like , teh north for example

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well as i never said i believed, but would not be suprised, that poses the question, do you think they will definatly not touch the bus passes? or do you fall into the other camp i mentioned?:D:D

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He daren't take my bus pass I'd slap his hands and face, but seriously cashy that would be political suicide, with all the grey vote knocking about today, that includes thee and me:rolleyes: Me thinks that store has more origin from Gordon's Spin machine than Tory Central Office;)

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I'm not entirely sure what the justification is for the elderly having bus passes is in the first place when there are more important things to focus money on. Maybe I'm mistaken, but don't old people tend to worry more about things like heating their houses in winter?

Maybe pensions should be raised, other benefits for lazy scroungers cut, and public transport subsidised for everyone.

Not everyone even wants a bus pass.

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Yes pensioners worry more about heating in winter paying their bills and food. The pesion they get is poor and a lot of them cannot understand how to get more benifits if they are entitled to them. As for the bus pass it gives them freedom to travel country wide at no real expense to enjoy life to the full. Even those with private pensions and savings due to the economic downturn suffer. There are those that may not drive due to their health, no licence of if they have a car cannot afford to run it. The bit that annoys me about pensions is that everyone who has paid the minimum required amount of national insurance gets a state pension. Yet that is more or less saying that all are equal despite the fact that some will have paid more than others because ehey had a better rate of pay or did a regular shot of overtime. Private pensions though subject to the vagrancies of the markets are paid based on what you put in unlike the state pension.

Yes target those that dont want to work though able to as the money paid to them could increase the pension and lessen the stress pensioners are under financially. Thing is though that even with govenment incentives, payments, retraining etc there will always be those that are better off not working.

Its not only pensioners that have bus passes either, like me who has a condition that legally bans me from driving. I have taken a while to accept the situation as others in my position as well as others who cannot be allowed to drive because of medical conditions. There have been times that though entitled to it I have taken pelters for it and despite not having to justification has been thrown back at them. The argument seems to be that taxpayers shouldnt be funding bus passes at all. My argument is that pensioners who worked all their days and payed taxes should have one. As for me I have employment and pay tax so I am paying for mine. It is subsidised by a payment fixed by govenment and would if extended might get some of the cars of the road that they want so eagerly to do.

Public transport is despite the best efforts of some still way behind other countries and will be for a long time to come. Buses and trains are either half empty or stowed to the gunnels depending on the time of day. I use both trains and buses and suffered on both esp the trains being overcrowed. Yet there are times of the day when trains are half empty and you get cheap tickets but the times only suit those that have no ties. Discounts are available for pensioners and the disabled (which I am classed as) students etc but because it still involves paying then pensioners prefer a bus that costs nothing.

Yes I think govenment policy sometimes has the wrong direction but others will disagree leading to arguments galore. Pensioners get a raw deal in my view and more should be done to help them as many of us will be those pensioners one day in the future. We will have payed our tax and N.I. and should be able to get recompense in some small form for what we have (if we reach that age) put in over our working lives.At the days end some gain many lose but that is sadly the status quo at the moment untill change is forced.

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Great Post Spugs, in a nutshell really, maybe blazey will understand in 40 years time

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Well said Spuggie says it all really

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Is this quite right Spuggie ?

Basic State Pension (BSP)
The BSP is a flat-rate pension paid to anyone who has paid enough National Insurance contributions or has enough credits when they reach their SPA.
Currently, the full rate of BSP is payable if you have qualifying years of about 90% of the years in your working life. This is currently 39 years for a woman and 44 years for a man. Your working life begins at 16 and ends when you reach your SPA. The minimum BSP is payable if you normally have 10 or 11 qualifying years. This is normally 25% of the full rate. The more years you work or have credited then the more BSP you earn.

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Do you think it is right that those who have worked more and paid for more of their working life get more money?

OR

Do you think your state pension should be relative to how money you have paid in National Insurance contributions? That could mean that those who earned more during their working life would get more state pension than those who earned less. So if you worked for 40 years and earned £10,000 a year you would get the same as someone who worked for 20 years earning £20,000.


What do you think?

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I don't think people should get less pension because they earned less money that would be penalising them for not being high earners. And we all know that somebody has got to do the low paid jobs. Surely your contribution is based on your earnings so somebody on say six pounds an hour can't be expected to pay as much as somebody on fifteen pounds an hour?

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Must admit trying to get my head around the rules regs etc concerning pensions and benifits gave me a napper rapper.

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There's one thing for sure Gordon won't have to bother about his pension when he gets the boot:rolleyes:

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Got this online from the HMRC site the full info though is in pdf format.

Basic State Pension

State Pension is paid in two parts.

• Basic Pension, paid at a flat rate
• Additional State Pension paid on the basis of your earnings before your retirement.

The Basic Pension is a flat rate benefit based on the number of years (known as qualifying years) in which you paid or were credited with a minimum amount of standard rate contributions. (Class1, 2 or 3 NI Contributions)

Further information can be found The Pension Service Website.

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Nor will any other MP's:)

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Me too Spuggie, that's why I am asking.

Gone into those websites, still don't get it. Has 60 blooming pages for heaven's sake !

I appear to be drawing more than some of my friends .. shows basic plus 2 additional .. and the graduated pension .. tee hee £1.10 extra per month.

Was paying a higher rate of contribution for a long while, but did have a ceiling, so the answer to Neil's question is ... you do get more if you have paid more ... I think .. :confused: Although don't quite think this was quite the question. Looks like there is the issue of how many years you have worked, and also the amount ... if you had been a high earner for 20 years, suppose the higher contribution you had paid could well balance this out for someone paying a lower contribution for 40 years.

Suppose you can turn it around and ask why people who are high earners have to pay more?

Oh hek, 'ain't got a clue really ... somebody on here must have worked for the pension's people.

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Also, another question re. the bus passes ... aren't these funded by the Government in conjunction with your local authority and both contribute ? So, don't think the Government could get away with withdrawing them without a fight from local councillors. There again, don't really know. :silly:

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Was given a rundown on how it works down here by Jen along with all its quirks. Shouldnt be withdrawn by the govenment as many rely on them for getting out and about. I have no restrictions on mine up yonder int wilds of Scotland (all the drunks in my neck of the woods have it that way). Restrictions on peek hour travel, not allowed to be used after 11pm authorities saying they cant afford them down here. Jen can explain betterthan me.

Seems like its a kick in the head for pensioners. Convicted criminals get a better life inside than those of a certain age do on the outside!!!!!

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Your right about crims spugs, 3 square a day, heating, lighting paid for, satellite TV, computer games, compensation if the poor lambs human rights are abused (whatever that means, to me you forfeit any rights if your banged up) whatever next, they'll soon be allowed to vote too:rolleyes:

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Has there not been mubblings over giving them the vote?

Agree get banged up forfeit your rights but too many interfering goody two shoes politicaly correct nowt better to do busy bodies have too large a say. The govenment should be making criminals fear to go to jail not have them thinking its a three star hotel. When the rights of an offender come before those of the victim then the whole thing stinks worse than a blocked sewer pipe. The govenment over the years has bowed so much to the softly softly twallies that we have criminals of all ages in fits of laughter. The judges are so high on this softly softly approach with the govenments backing that they are as much use as a bikini in the middle of an Antarctic winter.

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Quite right Spugs, and yes there have been more than mumblings about crims getting the vote, (its their human rights you know) We now have a minister of justice who's about as much use as a one legged man at a bum kicking contest, if he was doing anything like a good job he'd be making sure that the victims of crime were getting justice, instead of pandering to the namby pamby do gooding brigade. Its time the punishment was made to fit the crime, one way would be to remove the word concurrent from the law books and replace it with consecutive, which would be a start, after all if you don't commit crime you've nothing to fear

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It is only the same when you are working.

Why penalise high tax payers?

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I take your point about when you are working but somebody has got to do the low paid jobs and you can try to better yourself when you are in employment. It is the way that your contribution is calculated by the amount you earn. Would be interesting to know how much difference there is in contributions from low earners and high earners. At the end of the day a basic state pension is hardly likely to keep anybody in luxury.

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Not sure on this but is N.I. calculated the same way as tax as in there is a income level that we start paying it at and then at a % on all money earned. The HMRC site doesnt help either as usual.

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I may have this wrong but i understood the state pension to be the years you have contributed and not what you have earned, like for example you have to have 30years in before you would be entitled to a full state pension and their is a considerable difference between the basic rate and full rate, however i may be wrong will check this one out. I know the full state pension is approximately 135 per week.

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i checked this out mid 70s, and was told 40 years N.I. contributions give ya a full pension. assume its still the case.:)

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Well full rate or low rate nobody is going to be rolling in money with it:rolleyes: