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Lampman 29-08-2009 11:51

Romanian Visitors.
 
I see our Romanian beggar friends are back in town,watch your wallets!

Alan Gilmartin 30-08-2009 06:23

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They are here in Australia now, since Romanian joined the EU 2007, like all EU citizens they can get a three month visa. they are copying cards at the ATMs and pickpocketing. My mother said I never should play with the gypsies in the wood.

steeljack 30-08-2009 07:10

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Vermin

garinda 30-08-2009 09:23

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Whilst U.K. tax payer's money continues to be spent on building mansions, in formerly poverty stricken towns in eastern Europe, it's no wonder the mainstream political parties are losing supporters to the B.N.P.

Tandarei: The faraway town fat on UK benefit fraud - Times Online

As soon as any of the major parties realise that the normally liberal British people are sick and tired of this country being taken for a ride, I suspect they'll be on to a winner.

As much as I loathed many of her policies, I can't imagine this happening under Thatcher.

garinda 30-08-2009 09:26

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Here's another story, that accompanied the previous linked story, in last weekend's Sunday Times.

Gangs import children for benefit fraud - Times Online

jaysay 30-08-2009 09:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 740134)
Whilst U.K. tax payer's money continues to be spent on building mansions, in formerly poverty stricken towns in eastern Europe, it's no wonder the mainstream political parties are losing supporters to the B.N.P.

Tandarei: The faraway town fat on UK benefit fraud - Times Online

As soon as any of the major parties realise that the normally liberal British people are sick and tired of this country being taken for a ride, I suspect they'll be on to a winner.

As much as I loathed many of her policies, I can't imagine this happening under Thatcher.

Not only that Rindi, but the amount we pay to European Union is increasing because Brown has signed away the rebates that Thatcher fought so hard to get:(

garinda 30-08-2009 09:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 740138)
Not only that Rindi, but the amount we pay to European Union is increasing because Brown has signed away the rebates that Thatcher fought so hard to get:(

For once we are in political agreement.

When the people voted whether to enter the Common Market, it was sold as an economic trade alliance. Not what it has become, a vastly expensive extra tier of government. A United States of Europe, which is not what people voted for.

The present government of course broke their promise about a referendum.

I'm sure if we had a referendum tomorrow, giving us the chance to safeguard our independence and sovereignty, and poltically leave Europe, we'd be out. I'd certainly vote to leave. We did quite well for centuries without any close political alliance with Europe.

In the Margaret McKay autobiography I've just been reading about the local suffering that happened in the mid C19th, when the weavers supported the blockade of cotton fron the southern U.S., in support of the north, and the fight to end slavery.

The British do know the difference between right and wrong, and will suffer hardship to ensure that right is victorious, but conversly they hate being taken for a ride, which none of our present mainstream politicans seem able to understand.

Wynonie Harris 30-08-2009 19:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 740146)
For once we are in political agreement.

When the people voted whether to enter the Common Market, it was sold as an economic trade alliance. Not what it has become, a vastly expensive extra tier of government. A United States of Europe, which is not what people voted for.

The present government of course broke their promise about a referendum.

I'm sure if we had a referendum tomorrow, giving us the chance to safeguard our independence and sovereignty, and poltically leave Europe, we'd be out. I'd certainly vote to leave. We did quite well for centuries without any close political alliance with Europe.

In the Margaret McKay autobiography I've just been reading about the local suffering that happened in the mid C19th, when the weavers supported the blockade of cotton fron the southern U.S., in support of the north, and the fight to end slavery.

The British do know the difference between right and wrong, and will suffer hardship to ensure that right is victorious, but conversly they hate being taken for a ride, which none of our present mainstream politicans seem able to understand.

Excellent post, Gary. Would've given you some karma for it, but I've got to "spread it around" before I can.

I'm sick and fed up of being called a "racist", "xenophobe", "little Englander" and the like because I despise the EU (on reflection, might let the last one go as I'm little and English :D).

As you say, mainstream politicians don't seem to grasp the situation. This is well illustrated by the reactions of the card-carrying Labour/Tory members on this forum. The Tories - Jaysay and AndrewB - seem to be agreeing that we should leave the EU, or at least have some sort of vague semi-detached membership, which is totally contrary to their official party policy. Meanwhile, the Labour members - Graham, Bernard, Clayton Ender, Shilleagh - maintain a deafening silence on the subject. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

garinda 30-08-2009 20:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 740228)
I'm sick and fed up of being called a "racist", "xenophobe", "little Englander" and the like because I despise the EU

Same here, and like you I can provide testimonials going way back, to prove I fought racism, real racism, from an early age. So they can stick that accusation.

Besides all the dodgy human trafficking, to defraud our social benefits system and the welfare state, as happens quite legally, an eastern European, from within the ever expanding E.E.C., can enter Britain, and....wait for it, without ever having paid a penny into the system, can claim benefit for children who aren't even in the country, but back in Romania, etc.

I detest the B.N.P. and other far-right groups, but whilst we have this ludicrous system in place, where we as a nation give, give, give, and others, who haven't contributed a cent, take, take, take, those in charge in the publicity and recruitment offices of racist organisations, must be rubbing their hands with glee.

Ask 9/10 of the electorate what there biggest fears/concerns are, and after job security, the vast majority will answer immigration, primarily brought about by having an open borders policy, foisted on us by the immensely well paid bureaucrats in Brussels.

The whole thing stinks, and is making this once liberal nation look towards extremism, just as the people of Germany did in the 1920's/30's.

Until the main stream political parties grasp the fact that the people of this country are totally fed up with being shafted, then this situation will only get worse. Making our future look very bleak indeed.

Wynonie Harris 30-08-2009 21:22

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Quite agree, so why can't we make a start by holding a referendum, not on the European Constitution, but on whether or not we want to stay in the EU at all? Neither the Labour or Tory parties will agree to this...maybe our Accyweb politicos will tell us why?

cashman 30-08-2009 23:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 740263)
Quite agree, so why can't we make a start by holding a referendum, not on the European Constitution, but on whether or not we want to stay in the EU at all? Neither the Labour or Tory parties will agree to this...maybe our Accyweb politicos will tell us why?

Referendum thats a joke.......if they promise ya one they have already proved they wheedle out of em.:rolleyes:

mani 31-08-2009 04:47

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every friday, before the afternoon prayers at the grimshaw st mosque these two romanian women seem to have found themselves a spot to beg from muslims going into pray for the main prayer of the week.

they've been taught the whole brother please help please brother thing and its like if you really were muslims you too would go and pray rather than stand out to beg.

i'm surprised the police cant move them along

jaysay 31-08-2009 09:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mani (Post 740303)
every friday, before the afternoon prayers at the grimshaw st mosque these two romanian women seem to have found themselves a spot to beg from muslims going into pray for the main prayer of the week.

they've been taught the whole brother please help please brother thing and its like if you really were muslims you too would go and pray rather than stand out to beg.

i'm surprised the police cant move them along

The police move them on mani, you and I know that will never happen, they're frightened to death of the dogooders:(

Wynonie Harris 31-08-2009 13:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 740285)
Referendum thats a joke.......if they promise ya one they have already proved they wheedle out of em.:rolleyes:

Quite right, they have, I was saying what should happen. Unfortunately this Labour government have broken their promise to give us a referendum on the European Constitution. Brown didn't even have the bottle to sign it at the official ceremony, along with the other EU leaders. He just slunk in and out later on, hoping no one would notice. Meanwhile Cameron is already prevaricating about his promise to give us a referendum if he gets in, by saying it might not be possible if the treaty's been ratified in October.

Interesting that no one's been on this thread to speak up in support of the EU. As EU membership is official Labour and Conservative party policy, you'd have expected our resident party members would be here defending the policy that they presumably support. But not a peep (apart from Jaysay who seems to have his own rather unique interpretation of Tory policy ;)).

Funny how they're all so quiet, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Restless 31-08-2009 15:12

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we had a born again christianity leaflet through the door a couple of months ago and (this is no joke) It said ''jesus will destroy the EU and all its supporters when he returns'' Wondering what jesus has against the EU lol

andrewb 31-08-2009 18:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 740372)
Funny how they're all so quiet, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Give me chance, I've been at a festival all weekend. :p

"We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level"

garinda 31-08-2009 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 740395)
we had a born again christianity leaflet through the door a couple of months ago and (this is no joke) It said ''jesus will destroy the EU and all its supporters when he returns'' Wondering what jesus has against the EU lol

He'd probably be a bit annoyed that the borders of the E.U. don't stretch to Israel...as of yet.

Though I suppose it depends when he's planning to return, as to whether he'd be able to claim social security benefits from Britain, and Israel was inside the E.U.

He could always represent Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest, whilst he waited for the borders to expand.

:D

lancsdave 31-08-2009 18:32

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The police actaully put a woman and her son back on the Manchester bus on Friday after several complaints about her begging. No doubt she got off again by the time it had reached Baxenden.

garinda 31-08-2009 18:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 740440)
The police actaully put a woman and her son back on the Manchester bus on Friday after several complaints about her begging. No doubt she got off again by the time it had reached Baxenden.


That's so sad






















....that she wouldn't fork out for a taxi.
:D

lancsdave 31-08-2009 18:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 740447)
....that she wouldn't fork out for a taxi.
:D

Begging round Accrington especially in the region of Wilkinsons wouldn't be the best idea to get enough for a taxi, it's on the main route to Maundy Grange;)

Wynonie Harris 31-08-2009 20:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 740431)
"We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level"

What's the point of 20-year old quotes from Margaret Thatcher? We're talking about the here and now and what the boy David is doing about getting our independence back...which appears to be sod all.

Still, at least you've responded. The Accyweb Labour crew appear to have been struck dumb on the subject.

Funny, that. :rolleyes:

garinda 31-08-2009 20:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 740475)
What's the point of 20-year old quotes from Margaret Thatcher? We're talking about the here and now and what the boy David is doing about getting our independence back...which appears to be sod all.

Still, at least you've responded. The Accyweb Labour crew appear to have been struck dumb on the subject.

Funny, that. :rolleyes:

Thanks for attributing that quote as being Thatcher's.

Happily I can't remember hearing her say it.

I just thought andrewb had been on the magic mushrooms.

Wynonie Harris 31-08-2009 20:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 740477)
I just thought andrewb had been on the magic mushrooms.

That thought did cross my mind, too, as I also wondered what the hell he was on about. However, google's a wonderful thing! ;)

jaysay 01-09-2009 10:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 740372)
Quite right, they have, I was saying what should happen. Unfortunately this Labour government have broken their promise to give us a referendum on the European Constitution. Brown didn't even have the bottle to sign it at the official ceremony, along with the other EU leaders. He just slunk in and out later on, hoping no one would notice. Meanwhile Cameron is already prevaricating about his promise to give us a referendum if he gets in, by saying it might not be possible if the treaty's been ratified in October.

Interesting that no one's been on this thread to speak up in support of the EU. As EU membership is official Labour and Conservative party policy, you'd have expected our resident party members would be here defending the policy that they presumably support. But not a peep (apart from Jaysay who seems to have his own rather unique interpretation of Tory policy ;)).

Funny how they're all so quiet, isn't it? :rolleyes:

I don't have unique interpretation of Tory policy Wynonie, is just that I look at things as they are, not through blue tinted glasses. We have had a Labour government for over twelve years, in its early days our local politicians were singing New Labour from the roof tops, yet now they are as popular as a fart in a space suit they don't want to know. We recently had an answer from labour activist saying he was only interested in local issues, but in Labour's rush to power in the 90s every Labour leaflet at local elections said nothing about local issues but were full of national party interests, endorsed by Tony Blair and Greg, now they approach their Westminster counter parts (who incidentally are still members of the same party, but not as you'd notice) with total disdain, threatening them like lepers, unclean, unclean ;)

Wynonie Harris 01-09-2009 13:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 740249)

Besides all the dodgy human trafficking, to defraud our social benefits system and the welfare state, as happens quite legally, an eastern European, from within the ever expanding E.E.C., can enter Britain, and....wait for it, without ever having paid a penny into the system, can claim benefit for children who aren't even in the country, but back in Romania, etc.

I detest the B.N.P. and other far-right groups, but whilst we have this ludicrous system in place, where we as a nation give, give, give, and others, who haven't contributed a cent, take, take, take, those in charge in the publicity and recruitment offices of racist organisations, must be rubbing their hands with glee.

Ask 9/10 of the electorate what there biggest fears/concerns are, and after job security, the vast majority will answer immigration, primarily brought about by having an open borders policy, foisted on us by the immensely well paid bureaucrats in Brussels.

Until the main stream political parties grasp the fact that the people of this country are totally fed up with being shafted, then this situation will only get worse. Making our future look very bleak indeed.

When the British public voted in favour of what was sold to them as a European trading organisation back in the 70's, this is NOT what they had in mind. The vast majority of people in this country have had it up to here with the EU and its open borders policy. However, the attitudes displayed by the major parties are aptly illustrated by their representatives on this thread - or not on this thread, as the case may be. Jaysay directly contradicts one of the major policy planks of his party, while Andrew's contribution os a 20 year old quote from Margaret Thatcher. Meanwhile, the Labour lot maintain a blanket silence on the whole issue. As Garinda, correctly predicts, this will simply drive people towards right wing extremists, so carry on with your attitudes at your peril! :rolleyes:

andrewb 01-09-2009 13:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 740592)
When the British public voted in favour of what was sold to them as a European trading organisation back in the 70's, this is NOT what they had in mind. The vast majority of people in this country have had it up to here with the EU and its open borders policy. However, the attitudes displayed by the major parties are aptly illustrated by their representatives on this thread - or not on this thread, as the case may be. Jaysay directly contradicts one of the major policy planks of his party, while Andrew's contribution os a 20 year old quote from Margaret Thatcher. Meanwhile, the Labour lot maintain a blanket silence on the whole issue. As Garinda, correctly predicts, this will simply drive people towards right wing extremists, so carry on with your attitudes at your peril! :rolleyes:

I'm not a 'representative' though. I have my own views, many of which I share with the Conservative party which is why I am a member. I've had a great time over the weekend and really wasn't interested or up to writing much, so I decided a quote would suffice. A quote that the party you support holds quiet dear to them. Mr Farage in fact spoke on a platform for the Bruges Group several feet in front of me before attending a dinner as a guest speaker along with Mrs T, with the quote as the main introduction to the event. The quote is as accurate now as it was then - a federal Europe is not what we want.

Wynonie Harris 01-09-2009 14:00

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 740600)
A quote that the party you support holds quiet dear to them.

Strange, I never knew that Screaming Lord Sutch thought so much of it. ;)

andrewb 01-09-2009 14:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 740603)
Strange, I never knew that Screaming Lord Sutch thought so much of it. ;)

Have I got you mixed up? ;) Perhaps I'm still recovering. :o

Wynonie Harris 01-09-2009 14:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 740604)
Have I got you mixed up? ;) Perhaps I'm still recovering. :o

Yep, those mushrooms can be quite mindbending. ;) Actually, I would've thought UKIP was made for you. They don't want a federal Europe (unlike your party, which does - that's why the boy David is um-ing and ah-ing about the referendum on the European Constitution) and the rest of their policies are pretty Tory-ish. Seems like just your cup of tea!

Mancie 01-09-2009 14:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 740600)
A quote that the party you support holds quiet dear to them.

Oops! seems like Andrew has "outed" you Wynonie. ;)

Wynonie Harris 01-09-2009 14:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 740606)
Oops! seems like Andrew has "outed" you Wynonie. ;)

He didn't need to...I've already said which party I'm a member of - and it ain't UKIP! :D

andrewb 01-09-2009 15:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 740605)
Yep, those mushrooms can be quite mindbending. ;) Actually, I would've thought UKIP was made for you. They don't want a federal Europe (unlike your party, which does - that's why the boy David is um-ing and ah-ing about the referendum on the European Constitution) and the rest of their policies are pretty Tory-ish. Seems like just your cup of tea!

The Conservatives don't support a federal Europe. They've recently left the EPP grouping in Europe and formed their own as to not be grouping with people who want a further integrated federal Europe. Doesn't go far enough for me though. I'll be interested to see what Cameron does if the Libson Treaty gets ratified. Problem with UKIP is it's an angry pressure group. Last year when I was listening to Mr Farage he was shouting about how the Conservatives would not leave the EPP and form their own grouping and was willing to make bets with people on the matter (and someone did make a bet, I bet they're pleased now!). Currently they're saying Cameron will do nothing if Libson passes - I'm happy to wait and see when the time comes. I think announcing his policy on what he'll do if Lisbon passes now, would be like a surrender to the federalists as if they'd already won on Lisbon.

Mancie 01-09-2009 15:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 740617)
The Conservatives don't support a federal Europe. They've recently left the EPP grouping in Europe and formed their own as to not be grouping with people who want a further integrated federal Europe.

:D..stop making me laugh..you lot had no choice but to "leave" your EPP group..you were sussed out as useless with nothing to contribute and kicked into the gutter.
You can huff and puff about EU expansion, border laws, and a central European Parliment but the Tories are the ones who fought hard to enter the EU and are the party that agreed to it all in 1992!

Bernard Dawson 01-09-2009 15:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 740565)
I don't have unique interpretation of Tory policy Wynonie, is just that I look at things as they are, not through blue tinted glasses. We have had a Labour government for over twelve years, in its early days our local politicians were singing New Labour from the roof tops, yet now they are as popular as a fart in a space suit they don't want to know. We recently had an answer from labour activist saying he was only interested in local issues, but in Labour's rush to power in the 90s every Labour leaflet at local elections said nothing about local issues but were full of national party interests, endorsed by Tony Blair and Greg, now they approach their Westminster counter parts (who incidentally are still members of the same party, but not as you'd notice) with total disdain, threatening them like lepers, unclean, unclean ;)

I think I'm the Labour activist you're referring too. There are four Councillors who post regular on Accy Web, all Labour. What I said was in my opinion people want to know what we as Councillors are doing to improve this Borough.

On the national issue, I will defend the record of this Labour Government with anyone. And come the General Election I will be doing just that on the door step.

I'm a Labour Party member and proud of it. I also support Britain's membership of the European Community.

Wynonie Harris 01-09-2009 15:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 740617)
I think announcing his policy on what he'll do if Lisbon passes now, would be like a surrender to the federalists as if they'd already won on Lisbon.

You know as well as I do that the European Constitution will be passed - the Irish will be made to vote until they "get it right". The boy David's prevaricating because he's preparing the ground for a cop-out on his commitment to a referendum. Apart from that, it may have escaped your attention, but we're in a federal Europe already - the majority of our laws are made in Brussels. And one of the consequences of being in a federal Europe is that we now have no borders in the EU - that's why we're having to let in people who have no intention of working here, but just want to beg, steal and milk the benefits system. :rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 01-09-2009 15:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 740622)
I'm a Labour Party member and proud of it. I also support Britain's membership of the European Community.

At least, get the name right - it's called the European Union, because that's what it is. Care to expand on why you think it's so beneficial for this country?

garinda 01-09-2009 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 740622)
There are four Councillors who post regular on Accy Web, all Labour.

...and we're very happy to have you. Whether it's wearing your political hat, or not. At least we do get to hear what one side thinks.

For balance, sadly we have only one Conservative councillor willing to come on here.

Cllr. Britcliffe contributed two posts, one oddly written in the third person.

Hardly an even blance, even if we do have Pinky and Perky, giving their unoffical input.

garinda 01-09-2009 15:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 740626)
...even if we do have Pinky and Perky

No offence, by the way.

I couldn't remember if Pinky and Perky had someone working the strings, or whether they had a couple of hands up 'em.

:rolleyes::D

jaysay 01-09-2009 16:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 740626)
...and we're very happy to have you. Whether it's wearing your political hat, or not. At least we do get to hear what one side thinks.

For balance, sadly we have only one Conservative councillor willing to come on here.

Cllr. Britcliffe contributed two posts, one oddly written in the third person.

Hardly an even blance, even if we do have Pinky and Perky, giving their unoffical input.

Its indicative that Councillor Dawson had to original sign on to Accrington Web under the name Robert Owen, but chose to change to his real name when he was rumbled, as I've said before why should Britcliffe come on this website to be abused by faceless wonders, who haven't the bottle to make an appointment and tell him their views face to face. Accy Web has never influenced any election in Hyndburn and never will because the majority of users don't even vote here or quite frankly don't give a toss about politics. It just happens that I do vote at every election here in Hyndburn and is my right to have a say whether you like it or not, as some one who says they have no political affiliations, I'll have a small wage that you've never voted or will ever vote Tory, like I've said before if it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, it usually is a duck.

Bernard Dawson 01-09-2009 16:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 740645)
Its indicative that Councillor Dawson had to original sign on to Accrington Web under the name Robert Owen, but chose to change to his real name when he was rumbled, as I've said before why should Britcliffe come on this website to be abused by faceless wonders, who haven't the bottle to make an appointment and tell him their views face to face. Accy Web has never influenced any election in Hyndburn and never will because the majority of users don't even vote here or quite frankly don't give a toss about politics. It just happens that I do vote at every election here in Hyndburn and is my right to have a say whether you like it or not, as some one who says they have no political affiliations, I'll have a small wage that you've never voted or will ever vote Tory, like I've said before if it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, it usually is a duck.

Why should Peter Britcliffe come on Accy Web? I'll give you a reason, He's the leader of Hyndburn Borough Council, and he gets well paid for being the leader.

garinda 01-09-2009 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 740645)
...why should Britcliffe come on this website to be abused by faceless wonders


But that makes no sense at all.

He has joined, and made two posts this year, one of which was oddly written in the third person.

You can't have it both ways.

Either he uses the medium that is Accy Web, to say what he wants, or he doesn't, and he has...twice.

Wynonie Harris 01-09-2009 17:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 740622)
I'm a Labour Party member and proud of it. I also support Britain's membership of the European Community.

I see you still haven't answered my question about why EU membership is so beneficial to this country. Still, I suppose you're still trying to think of a reason! :rolleyes:

Tealeaf 01-09-2009 18:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 740723)
I see you still haven't answered my question about why EU membership is so beneficial to this country. Still, I suppose you're still trying to think of a reason! :rolleyes:

You'll be waiting for a long tome, Wynonie. In fact, you'll probably see Stanley in the Premiership before anyone comes up with one sound reason as to why the UK should remain a member of the "common market".

jaysay 02-09-2009 08:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 740660)
But that makes no sense at all.

He has joined, and made two posts this year, one of which was oddly written in the third person.

You can't have it both ways.

Either he uses the medium that is Accy Web, to say what he wants, or he doesn't, and he has...twice.

And how many posts were deleted by the mods because of foul personal abuse, that's a good enough reason for me

jaysay 02-09-2009 08:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 740651)
Why should Peter Britcliffe come on Accy Web? I'll give you a reason, He's the leader of Hyndburn Borough Council, and he gets well paid for being the leader.

I noticed you haven't commented on the fact that when you joined AW you did it in a preempted way so as to try and con the members in a dog and pony show, purely to try and score cheap political points

garinda 02-09-2009 10:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 740999)
And how many posts were deleted by the mods because of foul personal abuse, that's a good enough reason for me

I've honestly no idea. Perhaps they were removed before I saw them.

I'm afraid you really can't have it both ways.

Either Cllr. Britcliffe doesn't post on here at all, for whatever reasons, too busy, it's too abusive for him, etc., or he does use this forum.

The fact is he has joined Accy Web this year, and posted two posts.

You're on to a loser with this unhinged argument.

cashman 02-09-2009 10:35

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 741001)
I noticed you haven't commented on the fact that when you joined AW you did it in a preempted way so as to try and con the members in a dog and pony show, purely to try and score cheap political points

well you joined as "Jaysay"!:rolleyes:

jaysay 02-09-2009 10:47

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 741044)
well you joined as "Jaysay"!:rolleyes:

Ya cashy but when I joined it was the norm to use a screen name, in fact I think there were only two people used their full names which were the two Margaret's 4 years ago. I did toy with the idea of changing to my own name but I don't think there is any body on here that doesn't know that jaysay is John Farrer, so I didn't bother, in fact nobody would believe that jaysay as me, they though It was PB. On the morning after Gayle stood against Peter, when I logged on to AW there was a PM from Gayle saying congratulations Peter, which I'm sure she will verify if she reads this post, I had to inform her of her mistaken identity:D

Bernard Dawson 02-09-2009 13:14

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 741001)
I noticed you haven't commented on the fact that when you joined AW you did it in a preempted way so as to try and con the members in a dog and pony show, purely to try and score cheap political points


It was never my intention to con anybody I am more than happy for people to know that I'm a local Councillor. It's all about being accountable.

I don't think it would do the leader of the Council any harm to explain to members of Accy Web what he's up to every now and them.

garinda 02-09-2009 13:20

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 741108)
It was never my intention to con anybody I am more than happy for people to know that I'm a local Councillor. It's all about being accountable.

I don't think it would do the leader of the Council any harm to explain to members of Accy Web what he's up to every now and them.

He has, twice this year.

Once in the first person, and the other most oddly written in the third person.

Can't be that busy, or too afraid of any stick he might come in for on here, as Jaysay keeps trying to have us believe, otherwise he wouldn't have joined up, and posted.

:rolleyes:

jaysay 02-09-2009 15:51

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 741108)
It was never my intention to con anybody I am more than happy for people to know that I'm a local Councillor. It's all about being accountable.

I don't think it would do the leader of the Council any harm to explain to members of Accy Web what he's up to every now and them.

He does that in the Accrington Observer for everybody to see not just the few members on here, and if you didn't set out to deceive why did you not sign in under Bernard Dawson at first place, you soon begged to change once you'd been rumbled

garinda 02-09-2009 17:14

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 741136)
He (Cllr. Britcliffe) does that in the Accrington Observer for everybody to see not just the few members on here


....well why has he joined Accy Web this year, and made two posts on here?

:rolleyes:

andrewb 02-09-2009 17:53

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 741172)
....well why has he joined Accy Web this year, and made two posts on here?

:rolleyes:

Not that I particularly enjoy constantly talking about Peter Britcliffe, I have enough talking on his psychic hotline. Nevertheless.. as I said in that long, long thread about him before he even registered here I see no reason why he should come on in the first place. I predicted that if he did he'd just get insult after insult from individuals who are not interested in ringing him up or going to see him face to face for genuine issues. When he did come on he got exactly that. He barely received debate or feedback - just personal insults. Now whether it was a good idea to come on with a pretentious name, I'd suggest not. It however does not really deserve the backlash it got, a gentle hint would have been a much better way of ensuring he stay apart of our community, which is after all what you all want right, for him to stay apart of our community so you can discuss things with him. Must of course point out that if you had anything important to discuss you could e-mail or phone him. I've had a much better response from him than I have from Graham Jones and Bernard Dawson. One refused to give me a Labour budget figure missing from council minutes that I needed for my research project, the other declined to respond. I got a brilliant response from Malcolm Prichard however. :)

garinda 02-09-2009 18:15

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 741190)
Not that I particularly enjoy constantly talking about Peter Britcliffe, I have enough talking on his psychic hotline. Nevertheless.. as I said in that long, long thread about him before he even registered here I see no reason why he should come on in the first place. I predicted that if he did he'd just get insult after insult from individuals who are not interested in ringing him up or going to see him face to face for genuine issues. When he did come on he got exactly that. He barely received debate or feedback - just personal insults. Now whether it was a good idea to come on with a pretentious name, I'd suggest not. It however does not really deserve the backlash it got, a gentle hint would have been a much better way of ensuring he stay apart of our community, which is after all what you all want right, for him to stay apart of our community so you can discuss things with him. Must of course point out that if you had anything important to discuss you could e-mail or phone him. I've had a much better response from him than I have from Graham Jones and Bernard Dawson. One refused to give me a Labour budget figure missing from council minutes that I needed for my research project, the other declined to respond. I got a brilliant response from Malcolm Prichard however. :)

Blimey, his ego must be more fragile than an orchid.

It's hard to fathom we are talking about the same Cllr. Britcliffe, who it was reported in the press called a fellow councillor a 'silly cow' at a public meeting.

Perhaps that's why he's twice been rejected by the people of Hyndburn, when he's stood in the General Election.

The good people of Hyndburn must be worried his delicate consititution wouldn't be up to the cut and thrust of life in Westminster.

Bless him.

Bernard Dawson 02-09-2009 18:15

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 741190)
Not that I particularly enjoy constantly talking about Peter Britcliffe, I have enough talking on his psychic hotline. Nevertheless.. as I said in that long, long thread about him before he even registered here I see no reason why he should come on in the first place. I predicted that if he did he'd just get insult after insult from individuals who are not interested in ringing him up or going to see him face to face for genuine issues. When he did come on he got exactly that. He barely received debate or feedback - just personal insults. Now whether it was a good idea to come on with a pretentious name, I'd suggest not. It however does not really deserve the backlash it got, a gentle hint would have been a much better way of ensuring he stay apart of our community, which is after all what you all want right, for him to stay apart of our community so you can discuss things with him. Must of course point out that if you had anything important to discuss you could e-mail or phone him. I've had a much better response from him than I have from Graham Jones and Bernard Dawson. One refused to give me a Labour budget figure missing from council minutes that I needed for my research project, the other declined to respond. I got a brilliant response from Malcolm Prichard however. :)

Me not responding to Emails Andrew is nothing new, just ask a few Council Officers. It wasn't personal, I remember the Email. I take it that Malcolm found you the information you were after.

cashman 02-09-2009 18:25

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 741201)
Me not responding to Emails Andrew is nothing new, just ask a few Council Officers. It wasn't personal, I remember the Email. I take it that Malcolm found you the information you were after.

Councillor Dawson , ya should know better, the "World" stops fer Andrew.:rolleyes:

andrewb 02-09-2009 18:32

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 741201)
Me not responding to Emails Andrew is nothing new, just ask a few Council Officers. It wasn't personal, I remember the Email. I take it that Malcolm found you the information you were after.

I should have given you the benefit of the doubt in the post for not responding sorry Bernard. My main gripe was that Mr Jones had point blank refused. :)

garinda 02-09-2009 19:15

Re: Romanian Visitors.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 741190)
Not that I particularly enjoy constantly talking about Peter Britcliffe, I have enough talking on his psychic hotline. Nevertheless.. as I said in that long, long thread about him before he even registered here I see no reason why he should come on in the first place. I predicted that if he did he'd just get insult after insult from individuals who are not interested in ringing him up or going to see him face to face for genuine issues. When he did come on he got exactly that. He barely received debate or feedback - just personal insults. Now whether it was a good idea to come on with a pretentious name, I'd suggest not. It however does not really deserve the backlash it got, a gentle hint would have been a much better way of ensuring he stay apart of our community, which is after all what you all want right, for him to stay apart of our community so you can discuss things with him. Must of course point out that if you had anything important to discuss you could e-mail or phone him. I've had a much better response from him than I have from Graham Jones and Bernard Dawson. One refused to give me a Labour budget figure missing from council minutes that I needed for my research project, the other declined to respond. I got a brilliant response from Malcolm Prichard however. :)

Rather than being too afraid of any slings and arrows that might come his way on here, and which are sadly just part and parcel of life in public office, perhap he's just not over confident in impressing us, and fears he is more likely to make us smirk.

Let's examine the evidence.

Cllr. Britcliffe made this post, in April of this year. Written in the third person, which oddly makes it sound as if he dictated it.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tml#post701192

Then there was his last post to date, made in March of this year, made by TheLeadersOfficeHBC. Which all sounds very grand, and like he is offically proclaiming to us the people, via Accy Web.

In this post he forgot about where commas and full stops go, when writing out those confusingly big figures. Which is a little worrying, when millions sudenly disappear, and become thousands.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tml#post691676

The only other evidence of his prowess with a keyboard comes from the details supplied to the B.B.C. for his C.V., when he stood in the 2001 General Election, here in 'Accriwoton/Hywdburn' (sic).

BBC NEWS | VOTE 2001 | CANDIDATES

So perhaps if you all promise to treat him with kid gloves, he might feel able to share his views with us once again here on Accy Web.

As he's declared his interest in standing for Parliament yet again, in the next General Election, it would be a great pity if whoever does become our next M.P. doesn't feel able to communicate freely with the people of Hyndburn, by using this forum, like Greg Pope, the outgoing M.P., felt competent enough to do.

Anymore public howlers from him would purely be just a bonus.


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