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Workers rights, I'm British and due to a awful lot of European Labour in my profession, I cannot get a job in the UK, even with 'the worlds favourite airline'.

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You want to work for Air Canada:eek:;):D

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I can remember the time before the Common Market...as it was called then, and I truly think the British public were bamboozled into thinking that the 'Common Market' would be a good trading alliance. It was never seen as the great political machine it has become.
It is becoming more like the United States of Europe...except some countries seem to play by the rules to the letter, and others seem to carry on however they please......just so that they get the best deal out of both worlds.
No I would definitely vote to come out of the EU.
I am British, and want the laws that govern me to be made here.....not in brussels by some faceless politician who I have not had the opportunity to vote in(or out)....to me that is not democracy....and denying the British public a right to vote is not democratic either.

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I'd clean forgotton about your poor wife, until you just posted about her here.

Then I remembered how you first mentioned her publicly in this thread, when she'd bounced a cheque, and we were all very sympathetic to her plight.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ges-31627.html

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I think that proves my point........nuf said. :rolleyes:

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..and in fact it was a relevant question.

I can't pretend I don't know Turkishdelight's partner is from an E.U. state, and it may give her a different view of the workings of a borders free Europe.

I've got Italian friends who love being able to come and work in the U.K., just as I have British friends who are happy that they've retired in their forties to Gran Canaria.

So you see I have experience of the benefits to my friends, but it doesn't alter my own opinion, that being that we should pull out of the E.U. as soon as possible.

So unless you've anything to add that's relevant to the subject of the thread, why don't you keep your sneck out?

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I'd just like to point out that any information that has been made known about you, or your family, is information you've chosen to share with us all on this public forum.

;)

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I am not counting but every time you feel the need to bring the subject up you make a fool out of yourself, not me or my wife.
Luckily, you dont know me and I dont know you, apart from what I have heard.
I brush that of as heresay, but I am beginning to wonder.;)

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And does that apply to me too. I am not aware that i have chosen to reveal any information to share on this public forum who my partner is. And i can tell you he is not from an EU state so your source of information is incorrect.

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So the great tub thumper is wrong? :tongueout:tongueout:eek:

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Well trying to attack from a personal point once again however i will not stoop so low in a personal attack response to you. All i will say its work that i am involved in and my views have never been coloured by anyone person in what i firmly believe in and stand by.

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Ah, seems like there is a lull in the battle, so: I still can't see the problem with the UK taking firm control of its destiny .... you are a democracy (many of you don't like your present govt., but you can democratically turf it out at the next election); doesn't that mean that the govt.you elect makes decisions on your behalf with the authority you have delegated. And doesn't it follow from this that you, through your govt., control your own destiny. What's the problem? Not many people give Canada much thought; but if they do, they think of us as some sort of wannabe 51st. state. But the reality is, we are, like you, an independent sovereign nation. We pursue an independent domestic and foreign policy. Sure we are in NAFTA; but this is kinda inevitable. After all, the US depends on us for the largest percentage of its oil imports; and the volume of trade between Ontario, one province, and the US is greater than that between the US and China. But, we make our own rules. We go our own way in foreign policy. No one, but our democratically elected government(s) makes decisions for us. Bottom line is, we are who we are, take it or leave it. And we still dominate our national sport (ok, that's officially Lacrosse, but I'm talking hockey).;)

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That is all good and well until employers flout the job protection that British workers have fought long and hard for. Now we have europeans working often illegally, longer hours for less wages. Ok this may only be in low paid jobs but it is happening unforunately and will continue to do so unless changes are made:(

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Keep the good stuff cob out the bad stuff, get our own sovereignty back and sack the pen pushing faceless twallies over there. Dont think we could afford to be in the United States of Europe. There is more crud comming out of Brussels than an elephant with a serious case of deli belly backfire helped along with 1/2 a ton of Senicot.

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Well then I apologise, your relative did indeed relay the wrong information for whatever reason. Thank you for setting the matter straight.

As stated I have friends from member states of the E.U. who enjoy there being no effective border control between participating countries, but to me it doesn't alter the fact that I think we should withdraw, because of the vast expense, and the many loopholes, which mean Britain's welfare state is seen as easy pickings by all and sundry.

Loopholes which mainstream political parties seem happy to turn a blind eye to, and not to be worried by the public's concern, as examplified to a lesser extent by this thread, and the findings of the poll, and for the status quo to remain as it is, with Britain remaining the loser in the whole shambolic, and unfair bun fight, that is today's United States of Europe.

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It was a genuine and honest question.

I can't see asking a question, based on a fact, could be seen as an attack.

All you needed to say was no, my misguided opinion is based on the misassumption that the E.U. is the very cradle of all things fair.

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So far, according to this small poll, 84% are unhappy with the present situation, with regards to Britain's membership of the E.U.

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Well perhaps you should open your eyes. This is supposed to be a community forum not a witch hunt using personal information about somebody, let alone the country of origin of a users partner whom doesn't even frequent the forum in an attempt to gain the upper hand in a debate. I'm not perfect myself by all means - but I've time to learn, to mature; to become wise with age. Even if her partner was from an EU member state - what does this matter? Does she no longer have a valid opinion on every other thing she perceives as a benefit from the EU? Do you know enough about the partner to know that they wouldn't gain entry into this country for reasons of hard graft and legitimate work? Completely pointless comment that you made, you could have attacked in a far greater and dignified manner by simply responding to her argument.

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I can't pretend not to know something. The close relative of your's who (wrongly) said her partner was from an E.U. member country, didn't say it was some sort of secret.

Although I have friends who are Italian who have worked here, and British friends who have retired to another member country, and therefore take advantage of a borders free Europe, l don't know anyone who has a partner who is from an E.U. member country, and genuinely wanted to know if their view of how the system works had helped form their opinion, like it has with my friends.

I apologise for not been given the correct information by your relative, as if he isn't from an E.U. member state the question is then irrelevant.

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...and if you do fulfill your stated desire to become an M.P., any information will be fair game. The press, and political activists are always digging around.

A little bit like you did with Cllr. Graham Jones, when you hinted he was some kind of slum landlord, when in fact he was waiting for the probate to go through on his late grandmother's home.

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You're wrong again. It was Graham that referenced that particular house. The houses I was talking about were one which Graham has talked about openly on this public forum and has been the subject of many discussion because of the councils slowness to change his official residence. Neither have relevance in this thread however.

If becoming an MP was my stated intention, then it no longer is.

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It's just been announced that Nigel Farage the leader of UKIP will stand against John Bercow the current speaker of the House at the next general election in order to try and become an MP. It's very interesting for a number of reasons:

• The speakers constituency is not normally contested by the opposition.
• The speaker was formerly a Conservative MP with a large majority
• Many Conservative voters are rather Eurosceptic
• Many people who voted for other parties are more Eurosceptic
• Without an official party to vote for (the speaker is on the ballot paper as "The Speaker Seeking Re-election") people may choose Mr Farage.
• The expenses row could play an element too

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Traffickers defrauding millions in benefits

Babies and young children are being trafficked into Britain by foreign criminals and used to make fraudulent benefits claims.
In a multi-million-pound racket children are taken from families, with the knowledge of their parents, then placed with unrelated adults to enable fake benefit claims to be paid into accounts controlled by the trafficker. Some are trained in street crime. Forged immigration documents and employment records are reported to be used.
The Met's Operation Golf has identified 119 potential child victims in the capital. It has investigated a Romanian network believed to control a human trafficking ring. A police swoop this month on 20 addresses in Westminster, Enfield, Haringey and Redbridge found evidence of benefit crime in excess of £100,000. Four suspected child victims from Romania were rescued. The claims for housing benefit, tax credits and child benefit supplement profits from other crimes such as ATM fraud, pickpocketing and shoplifting. The traffickers are believed to use the cash to buy houses and cars in their home towns.
MP Anthony Steen, chairman of the all-party parliamentary group on trafficking of women and children, said: “This is an appalling scandal. The current checks are totally inadequate.”
A Revenue and Customs spokesman said: ''Under a long-standing agreement individuals registered to work in one EU country are able to claim for dependent children. HMRC takes fraud extremely seriously and has a range of checks in place. If fraud is suspected payment is stopped.”

Traffickers defrauding millions in benefits | News

I wonder if this sitauation is reciprocal, and Brits can go and work in Romania, and take advantage of their extensive benefits system, and claim for any children left behind in the U.K.?

As stated elsewhere I don't blame the people from other countries who take advantage of this ludicrous state of affairs. I blame our government for allowing it to happen. Especially at a time when it's been recently reported that we are curently paying out more money in social benefits, than we nationally raise in tax.

I'm sure if I was an impoverished eastern European, I'd be taking advantage of this system, and I too would be using British taxpayer's money to build a mansion back in my home village, as illustrated in this article in The Times.

Tandarei: The faraway town fat on UK benefit fraud - Times Online

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I wonder why the government of Canada is considering extending visa requirements for foreigners visiting this country ... Mmm, need to think about this one.:rolleyes:

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There's no 'ifs' about it.

Whilst in my house last year my mother asked you what you wanted to do after you've graduated, and you replied that you wanted to become a M.P.

If that is no longer the case, all I can say is...phew!

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I think my reply would have been 'eventually' I wanted to become an MP. Nether the less this is no longer my intention. :)

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I was there.

You didn't say eventually.

I hope you never witness a crime.

You wouldn't be a very reliable, er...witness.

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Hence why I said 'I think' I didn't quote. Perhaps I thought you were wise enough to understand that I didn't mean immediately after graduation. Shame.. ;)

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Yes it is a shame.

Your answer, I want to be a M.P., when asked what you wanted to do after graduation, was taken at face value.

;)

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That was correct - after graduation. If you became an M.P., you'd be coming it after graduation right? :D

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Is this politician speak for nevertheless?:rolleyes:

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Nevermind the non-existance of 'if' and 'eventually', you made us titter.

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Was your change of decision prompted by the expenses scandal? Which means the public is now demanding a certain lack of sleaze, plus a certain likeabilty factor, when it comes to their M.P.s.

It's very disappointing when you miss the boat, isn't it?

:D

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Yes, it was when I found out I couldn't get oranges at taxpayers expense. Now that's the case being a Tory MP wouldn't be quite exciting. ;)

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Self-deprecating humour?

You'll find be experiencing a slight rise in the polls next.

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Isn't it annoying, when you type 'ba', and it comes out as 'po'?

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Another one gone Eric Joyce

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What has this M.P.'s resignation to do with the E.U.?

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Nothing as far as I can see ... just read the article in the Guardian. Seems like he had good reasons for going. On a wandering note: I find it hard to believe that the British Govt. hasn't put a time limit on their combat commitment in Afghanistan. Ooops ... maybe your question was rhetorical:eek:; sorry I answered:D

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Meaning what?

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Political opinion polls, which the newspapers are full of.

It amuses me when people can't understand humour, that's clear to those it was intended to amuse.

A longer explanation, about andrewb's use of self-depreciation, would bore me, so apologies.

Obviously some people found it amusing, because they gave me karma for it.

:)

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There was a subsequent play on words.

'A slight rise in the polls', which was jokingly called a typo, with 'ba' appearing as 'po'.

Oh nevermind.

It must be a handicap for you, not having a funny bone.

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Both are a drain on our financial resources. Just a thought. :confused:

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Very difficult to educate pork of the Karma Brigade....I find your humour about as funny as milk turning sour.

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Don't despair.

One or two people may find you funny too.

Unintentionally funny, but funny none the less.

;)

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Is there anything more to be said on this thread?

• We all know we have been ripped of financially since we have been a member of this rotten bunch since 1973
  
  • We all know we have lost any legal independance since 1973
    
    • We all know that we have been paying the blood price since 2001 while most our Euro chums and so-called NATO allies in Europe done have sweet buggar-all.

So lets gets the hell out now. There is no longer any debate. Stuff the Euro-arseholes!

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Well, perhaps we would be able to get out if we were allowed to vote on it(or maybe we would be sent away until the vote registered the right result with those at Brussels).....but seeing as we haven't been allowed that democratic right, I reckon it is we, the British mugs who are stuffed!

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Now at 86%.

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Another consequence of staying in this utter shambles...

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Workers from EU claim UK pensions

Can anyone seriously say they're in favour of the EU anymore, apart from those who are too PC to speak out against it?