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Mancie 25-11-2009 04:00
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 764886)
I don't think it's a bad thing that somebody has raised the issue of taxpayers paying for needless by-elections. If your candidate thinks he is going to win, then there is no problem in resigning from his local government posts. If the 'Tories are going to fight in Hyndburn' for taxpayer value, then yes, I'm with them, all the way.

Another Labour councillor notes that in previous years the unsuccessful Tory candidate has not stepped down from council. I don't support that. If somebody stands for Parliament and stands a chance, they shouldn't keep their local government seats 'just incase' they lose. Taxpayers shouldn't be there to shoulder the burden of their loss. They choose to be parliamentary candidates - if they're not completely focused on it then their suitability for the job should be questioned.
But at the same time there is no question of the "taxpayer" funding yourself in loans and grants in your further education.. people are not stupid..but nice try.

g jones 25-11-2009 07:47
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
Clothes. Your right Kate.

Standing Down. I represent Peel & Acc South. The people there may not want me to step down for several reasons. Community work, politically different to rest of the Borough.

By Elections. You do try your best Andrew I accept that. Without thinking about what has happenned previously sometimes within your own Party. A by election could be called 5 May 2011 to save money. The issue of 2nd jobs has been easy for some MPs. Stay on the local council and stay in touch with reality! Pluses and minuses there. A Liberal in Manchester did 4 years as both this term?

On resigning at some stage; Thats still how I see the long term. When you loose the passion and because you forfeit so much from your family. time (that's why the cheap shots irk) I am a realist. When I am not doing somewhere my best for the area I represent it's time to pack your bags.

cashman 25-11-2009 08:24
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 764891)
But at the same time there is no question of the "taxpayer" funding yourself in loans and grants in your further education.. people are not stupid..but nice try.
Mancie, when they are so far up there own backsides,things like that are easily forgotten,:rolleyes:

Neil 25-11-2009 08:46
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 764807)
You think you might lose so want to hold on to your district and county seats, yet if you were to win you'd cause two costly by-elections (unless you plan to keep all 3 wages). Sounds like having your cake and eating it.
Sound to me like the best way to do it. Why cause those by-elections now when they may not be needed?

Why did you bring wages into it? People should be paid for doing a job so that has nothing to do with it as far as I am concerned.

cashman 25-11-2009 08:49
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 764926)
Sound to me like the best way to do it. Why cause those by-elections now when they may not be needed?

Why did you bring wages into it? People should be paid for doing a job so that has nothing to do with it as far as I am concerned.
need ya ask that question mate?:rolleyes: ;)

andrewb 25-11-2009 09:03
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 764926)
Sound to me like the best way to do it. Why cause those by-elections now when they may not be needed?

Why did you bring wages into it? People should be paid for doing a job so that has nothing to do with it as far as I am concerned.
Neil if he were to resign in say March there wouldn't be a by-election.. that's the point I've been trying to make.

I bring up wages because as somebody said in another thread about holding office as an MEP and MP, there would not be enough time to do both jobs, the person would effectively just be taking taxpayers money needlessly. In this case a lot of council meetings etc would be during the week, yet if elected Graham would be in London.

Neil 25-11-2009 09:35
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 764829)
Let's see what PB would do then ... if he gets put up for the Conservative vote.
My guess would be the same as Graham is doing as I think it is the best way.

Gayle 25-11-2009 09:45
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
No one in their right mind is going to resign from their job without knowing that they have been given a new one. No one in industry would do that, even if it meant that their employer had to put out new adverts to reappoint after they'd gone.

Neil 25-11-2009 09:47
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 764886)
I don't think it's a bad thing that somebody has raised the issue of taxpayers paying for needless by-elections. If your candidate thinks he is going to win, then there is no problem in resigning from his local government posts.
That is another silly statement. Everyone standing will hope to win but only a few will. Why cause by-elections costing money if they are not needed. If he stood down now the people who voted him for local and country will feel let down. He might as well wait and see if he wins his seat before he lets them down.

And yes I do think that any local councillor who then becomes an MP and stands down is letting down the residents of the ward who voted them in.

I also think that Graham (or whoever) can do a lot more for his ward as a local Councillor than as an MP.

I am still undecided if I think someone should be able to be a local and county councillor at the same time.


Maybe a good question is - Should Local/County Councillors be allowed to stand for election as an MP?

andrewb 25-11-2009 09:54
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 764941)
That is another silly statement. Everyone standing will hope to win but only a few will. Why cause by-elections costing money if they are not needed. If he stood down now the people who voted him for local and country will feel let down. He might as well wait and see if he wins his seat before he lets them down.

And yes I do think that any local councillor who then becomes an MP and stands down is letting down the residents of the ward who voted them in.

I also think that Graham (or whoever) can do a lot more for his ward as a local Councillor than as an MP.

I am still undecided if I think someone should be able to be a local and county councillor at the same time.


Maybe a good question is - Should Local/County Councillors be allowed to stand for election as an MP?
Neil I'm sorry, I must not be making my point clear enough. Resigning now would be silly, as you say it would cause a by-election and cost us money. If he were to resign next year at some point before the local elections, there wouldn't need to be a costly by-election.

I think local/county councillors should be able to stand for election as an MP. It should be up to the electorate to decide if they want an MP with other jobs or not.

Neil 25-11-2009 10:01
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 764940)
No one in their right mind is going to resign from their job without knowing that they have been given a new one. No one in industry would do that, even if it meant that their employer had to put out new adverts to reappoint after they'd gone.
There is a flaw in your logic Gayle.
You are you assuming that Councillors are in their right mind :rolleyes::D:D:D

Neil 25-11-2009 10:03
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 764945)
Neil I'm sorry, I must not be making my point clear enough. Resigning now would be silly, as you say it would cause a by-election and cost us money. If he were to resign next year at some point before the local elections, there wouldn't need to be a costly by-election.
Again though if he did not become an MP he would let his ward down.

Even though it costs more money I agree with waiting and standing down if required

Gayle 25-11-2009 10:18
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 764948)
There is a flaw in your logic Gayle.
You are you assuming that Councillors are in their right mind :rolleyes::D:D:D

Well I do agree that it takes a special sort of madman (woman) to want to be a councillor in the first place. ;D

cashman 25-11-2009 10:48
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 764952)
Well I do agree that it takes a special sort of madman (woman) to want to be a councillor in the first place. ;D
our illustrious council leader being a fine example of that.:D

Neil 25-11-2009 11:23
Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 764957)
our illustrious council leader being a fine example of that.:D

He may be mad but he is a very good ward Councillor.


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