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Gayle 30-09-2009 11:37

Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
I received a letter from George McNamara asking for my support for the candidacy for the Labour Party in Hyndburn.

I don't think that the Labour Party have made the decision about who's representing them yet so presumably we'll get many more letters asking for support yet.

Mr McNamara's CV sounds quite impressive but he doesn't live or come from around here - he's from Southport. I guess it's not a million miles away (and to be fair, he has said he would move to Hyndburn) but I would prefer a suitable local candidate. Hope they find one.

cherokee 30-09-2009 11:49

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I have just had a phone call from a good friend of mine to tell me that he also is looking to stand in the Hyndburn area.

His name is James Shorrock and he lives in Shadsworth but his family are from Hyndburn
it was only a quick call so I dont know the full details yet but I have suggested that he come on here to introduce himself

As soon as I have more info I will post but if he does get the chance to stand although I cant support his area I will be giving him my support where I can.

At the moment he is with Blackburn with Darwen for his area and has been for a few years

Tealeaf 30-09-2009 11:52

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I wonder if this character Macnamara could possibly be a scouse comrade of that Militant scallywag Keva Coombes, who was chosen as Labour candidate in the '87 general election. Some of us with long memories will remember what a disaster he was.

I suggest you play safe and stay well away from this mon; there are some good locals who could throw their hat in the ring yet, you included, Gayle.

Gayle 30-09-2009 12:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 749381)
I wonder if this character Macnamara could possibly be a scouse comrade of that Militant scallywag Keva Coombes, who was chosen as Labour candidate in the '87 general election. Some of us with long memories will remember what a disaster he was.

I suggest you play safe and stay well away from this mon; there are some good locals who could throw their hat in the ring yet, you included, Gayle.

Thanks for that vote of confidence Tealeaf but I know full well that if I did say that I was going for it, you'd be the first to start saying how ill qualified I was for it. :D

Just for the record, I'm not eligible for being a candidate because I'm no longer a member of the Labour party.

Tealeaf 30-09-2009 12:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749387)
Thanks for that vote of confidence Tealeaf but I know full well that if I did say that I was going for it, you'd be the first to start saying how ill qualified I was for it. :D

Just for the record, I'm not eligible for being a candidate because I'm no longer a member of the Labour party.

What makes you assume that I will question your qualifications for this role? I may well have criticised some of your schemes and ideas but I have also agreed with others and it is more than a shame (for the town) that they have not born as much fruit as could be expected.

In any case, is membership of the Labour party still a prerequisite to holding office? Brown has stuck quite a few characters in the House of Lords who had no previous form when it came to party politics, so I don't see why - if the labour party is serious about winning the next election - that that policy can continue, especially given the fact that most current MP's have been exposed as at best, morally bankrupt and at worse, crooks. Anyway, the chances are that Brown will have gone by the next election and that labour prospects will look nowhere as grim as they do today, so with your local background, you may have a good chance.

flashy 30-09-2009 12:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 749379)
I have just had a phone call from a good friend of mine to tell me that he also is looking to stand in the Hyndburn area.

His name is James Shorrock and he lives in Shadsworth but his family are from Hyndburn
it was only a quick call so I dont know the full details yet but I have suggested that he come on here to introduce himself

As soon as I have more info I will post but if he does get the chance to stand although I cant support his area I will be giving him my support where I can.

At the moment he is with Blackburn with Darwen for his area and has been for a few years


Jim Shorrock stands for Intack and Whitebirk ATM Mel (or he did)

cherokee 30-09-2009 13:00

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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 749400)
Jim Shorrock stands for Intack and Whitebirk ATM Mel (or he did)

Yes thats right Flashy he still does

Gayle 30-09-2009 13:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 749398)
What makes you assume that I will question your qualifications for this role? I may well have criticised some of your schemes and ideas but I have also agreed with others and it is more than a shame (for the town) that they have not born as much fruit as could be expected.

In any case, is membership of the Labour party still a prerequisite to holding office? Brown has stuck quite a few characters in the House of Lords who had no previous form when it came to party politics, so I don't see why - if the labour party is serious about winning the next election - that that policy can continue, especially given the fact that most current MP's have been exposed as at best, morally bankrupt and at worse, crooks. Anyway, the chances are that Brown will have gone by the next election and that labour prospects will look nowhere as grim as they do today, so with your local background, you may have a good chance.


Perhaps, this is the one to lose. I suspect that there will be a Tory landslide this time and so any potential candidates for Labour will have a hard time. The next election in 5 or 6 years time could be the one to win. Not that I'm saying that I'll go for it then either. ;)

nortype 30-09-2009 15:52

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doubt. wery much you will find one. white- wash next election all labour out can't come soon enough. all these year's country on it's knee's again thank's to no elected.. prime minister. ???????????

Bernard Dawson 30-09-2009 15:59

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The local party is in the process of selecting a candidate for the next election. It's not unusual for potential candidates to contact various people within Hyndburn. Hyndburn' a very desirable seat for someone.

There will no shortage of potential candidates believe you me.

Taggy 30-09-2009 16:29

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I agree there will be no Shortage of Potential candidates....its whether they will be worthwhile candidates!! Lets face it, that the main reason nobody is challenging Gordon Brown for the leadership is because they all think they are on a hiding to nothing at the next election, nobody wants to blot their copybook, by challenging now, and immeadiately lose an election, they would rather leave that for Gordon!

So it will be interesting to see what calibre of candidates come forward!


Best Regards - Taggy

Tealeaf 30-09-2009 19:00

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Gayle, why not stand as an independant? Lets face it, Labour since 2001 - and especially since Brown took over the shop - has been the most inept government since that of Lord North in 1782. However, the alternative is probably worse. Does anyone in Accy really and truthfully wish to elect an MP who will do no more than lick the arse's of some third-rate ex-Etonian toffs and their fifth-rate string along fags? I think not.

As for the Lib Dems - forget it - those ******* had their best chance in years to take over in 2009/10 with a decent leader. What did they do? Instead of putting Vince Cable in charge they've bunged in some clown who pretends to be a Tony Blair (Mk 9). I can't even remember his name.

Stand as an independant and play to your strengths - local born and bred, marginal political ties , worked steadily over the years for the good of the town, etc......and then given that people will be pretty p*ssed off with rotten party politics, I think you should have a good chance. Anyway, I doubt if you'll lose your deposit.

PS..written after 6 pints of good ale

nortype 30-09-2009 19:23

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ken hargreave's best we ever had.. he soon lost interest in way thing's run in london. government ?????? shame... local man. and did try his very best.... if you read this ken.. all the very best....

lindsay ormerod 30-09-2009 19:26

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Agree with Tealeaf, I'd vote for Gayle !:D

Tealeaf 30-09-2009 20:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 749519)
Agree with Tealeaf, I'd vote for Gayle !:D

Maybe we should start a petition....Gayle for MP...!!!!!!!!!!

This week is the Labour Conference; next week, the is Tory one in Manchester - and it is only there because Cameron needs to take quite a few northern seats if he is to form a government.

After that, then parliament begins. Our MPs, have of course, been away for the last 12 weeks, helping in bringing in their harvests on their estates in the countryside; None of them, as far as I am aware have been on Foreign Affair Select Committee fact-finding expeditions to the West Indies or somewhere similar at the taxpayer's expense.

I suspect, however, that within the next month or so we shall start to read and hear about some of the other perks that our illustrious representatives in the Palace of Westminster have been helping themselves to; as such, it would appear to me to time that the Hyndburn constituency sends to London someone who has a record of standing up for the best interests of their constituents, rather than one who makes the occaisional idiotic jesture of defiance only then to rollover, keep numb, pick up his payroll and finally end up with a nice fat pension -way, way above that of anyone else in their constituency.

Gayle 30-09-2009 20:17

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I have two children at Junior school - I know how much time Greg has missed out of with his children as they grew up. I couldn't do that - perhaps when they're a lot older I might want to throw my hat back in the political ring but right now, I wouldn't do it.

Tealeaf 30-09-2009 20:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749530)
I have two children at Junior school - I know how much time Greg has missed out of with his children as they grew up. I couldn't do that - perhaps when they're a lot older I might want to throw my hat back in the political ring but right now, I wouldn't do it.

So why has Greg packed it now that they've grown up? And after 18 years? The truth is that allowing for the holidays that MP's get, then should thay wish they can spend as much time in total with their kids as in more than any other occupation. Can you name me one other job other than that of an MP where you can, should you wish, spend the entire 6 weeks school holiday period with your kids? Even teachers can't do that.

PS..now 8 pints

Gayle 30-09-2009 20:40

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And the fact that they have to spend 4 days out of every 7 in London. You might like it down there but it's a lot of travel and a lot of time away from home.

Tealeaf 30-09-2009 20:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749536)
And the fact that they have to spend 4 days out of every 7 in London. You might like it down there but it's a lot of travel and a lot of time away from home.

The house sits for 30 weeks in every year. that is 4 x 30 = 120. That works out, on average, less than 3 days a week. Given that there are few late night sittings now and that you can get from Accy station to the Palace of Westminster in less than 3hrs 20mins - all expenses paid - then you should be able to fit in a couple of breakfasts/dinners each week while being back in Ossy while doing the job. Just think of all that dosh and all that quality leisure time!

PS...9 pints

shillelagh 30-09-2009 21:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 749534)
So why has Greg packed it now that they've grown up? And after 18 years? The truth is that allowing for the holidays that MP's get, then should thay wish they can spend as much time in total with their kids as in more than any other occupation. Can you name me one other job other than that of an MP where you can, should you wish, spend the entire 6 weeks school holiday period with your kids? Even teachers can't do that.

PS..now 8 pints

housewife? :D:D:D

Margaret Pilkington 30-09-2009 21:33

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Who.....in their right mind would want to follow this government into Office?
It is going to need one hell of a clean up merchant........and I am sure that while the majority of the electorate know that whoever follows this set of thieves, will have to implement some very painful policies, they are hardly likely to welcome these with open arms.
No........it will truly be a poison chalice.

Margaret Pilkington 30-09-2009 21:36

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and while on the subject of painful policies.......which party leader has the Cojones to implement them? Certainly not Nick Clegg......Lib Dem......that party(with perhaps the exception of Vince Cable) couldn't find its bum even if it used both hands.

Wynonie Harris 30-09-2009 21:46

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Can't see that it really matters who the citizens of Hyndburn vote in. The vast majority of our laws are created by faceless bureaucrats in Brussels and we're about to lose the last vestiges of our independence when the Lisbon Treaty comes into effect. All you're doing is voting for someone to join a toothless talking shop in Westminster.

PS - 0 pints and the prospect of none 'til Friday..you lucky beggar, Tealeaf!

Tealeaf 30-09-2009 21:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 749558)
Who.....in their right mind would want to follow this government into Office?
.

You're confused, as usual, Margaret. This is about electing someone who will best represent the interests of the people of Hyndburn, not who will arselick whoever has kissed the Queen's hand.

Mancie 30-09-2009 21:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 749558)
Who.....in their right mind would want to follow this government into Office?
It is going to need one hell of a clean up merchant........and I am sure that while the majority of the electorate know that whoever follows this set of thieves, will have to implement some very painful policies, they are hardly likely to welcome these with open arms.
No........it will truly be a poison chalice.

"whoever follows this set of thieves?"... I'd say yet another set of thieves will follow, and the very painful policies you talk of will hurt alot more under a tory government..if you think this country is in a mess you ain't seen nothing yet .

BERNADETTE 01-10-2009 00:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 749571)
"whoever follows this set of thieves?"... I'd say yet another set of thieves will follow, and the very painful policies you talk of will hurt alot more under a tory government..if you think this country is in a mess you ain't seen nothing yet .

I would really love somebody in fact anybody to give me proof of a party who can in all honesty say their MP's (our elected representatives) are not guilty of claiming expenses dishonestly. I truly believe that there isn't one party that can honestly say none of their members haven't milked the system (by flaunting the rules that they implement). A disgrace the lot of them when this country is in the grip of a recession or even not in a recession come to that!!!!

Neil 01-10-2009 06:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749387)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 749381)
I suggest you play safe and stay well away from this mon; there are some good locals who could throw their hat in the ring yet, you included, Gayle.

Thanks for that vote of confidence Tealeaf but I know full well that if I did say that I was going for it, you'd be the first to start saying how ill qualified I was for it. :D

Just for the record, I'm not eligible for being a candidate because I'm no longer a member of the Labour party.

He never mentioned standing as a Labour candidate :rolleyes::D

Neil 01-10-2009 06:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 749621)
I would really love somebody in fact anybody to give me proof of a party who can in all honesty say their MP's (our elected representatives) are not guilty of claiming expenses dishonestly. I truly believe that there isn't one party that can honestly say none of their members haven't milked the system (by flaunting the rules that they implement). A disgrace the lot of them when this country is in the grip of a recession or even not in a recession come to that!!!!

I think with the problems we now have in this Country the expenses issue is not very important at all.

I can't help wondering if the Government leaked the expenses to the Daily Telegraph itself to take our eyes off other things that were going on at the time.

g jones 01-10-2009 07:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 749541)
The house sits for 30 weeks in every year. that is 4 x 30 = 120. That works out, on average, less than 3 days a week. Given that there are few late night sittings now and that you can get from Accy station to the Palace of Westminster in less than 3hrs 20mins - all expenses paid - then you should be able to fit in a couple of breakfasts/dinners each week while being back in Ossy while doing the job. Just think of all that dosh and all that quality leisure time!

PS...9 pints

I think that is a big point as far as I am concerned. A local candidate able to work for Hyndburn and Haslingden for 22 weeks full time is important. I have a 15 week old daughter who is smiling every morning and I want to be with her. This is a big personal decision for me considering the requests, especially by ordinary residents, to stand.

andrewb 01-10-2009 08:21

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How do we nominate Mancie? :dflam:

Neil 01-10-2009 08:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 749645)
How do we nominate Mancie? :dflam:

or baggypussy? :rolleyes:

Greeny 01-10-2009 12:07

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I would vote for no-one, before voting for Gayle , as in Gayle Knight ?

jaysay 01-10-2009 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greeny (Post 749707)
I would vote for no-one, before voting for Gayle , as in Gayle Knight ?

Greeny there's only one Gayle on here:D

Gayle 01-10-2009 16:16

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And that's another reason why I'm not particularly interested in standing. Enough people don't like me at the moment, I don't want to add half of Hyndburn to that list. :D

cherokee 01-10-2009 17:00

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Never mind them Gayle we like ya :) and besides your our Gayle haha

Gayle 01-10-2009 17:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 749786)
Never mind them Gayle we like ya :) and besides your our Gayle haha

Aww, thanks - but I'm still not standing. :D

Neil 01-10-2009 21:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749774)
And that's another reason why I'm not particularly interested in standing. Enough people don't like me at the moment, I don't want to add half of Hyndburn to that list. :D

Only half of Hyndburn, you underestimate yourself :rolleyes::D:D

jaysay 02-10-2009 08:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 749848)
Only half of Hyndburn, you underestimate yourself :rolleyes::D:D

Looks like another slap at the next Friends of Rhydings Park meeting Neil:D

Greeny 02-10-2009 17:35

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so is it Gayle Knight ? I am new to this?

garinda 02-10-2009 18:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greeny (Post 750020)
so is it Gayle Knight ? I am new to this?

Perhaps if you give your full name and address, and any other details, she might tell you.;)

Gayle 02-10-2009 18:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greeny (Post 750020)
so is it Gayle Knight ? I am new to this?

Yes, I am - any reason why you're interested? :eek:

JimS 02-10-2009 20:34

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Hi Gayle!

I would like to think that I am that Local Candidate. I was raised and educated in Accrington. I lived in Huncoat and Woodnook from 1958-79, and '86-89. I was in the R.A.F. for six years, and my Mum has lived for 72 of her 74 years in Hyndburn-Springhill, Woodnook and currently in Huncoat-for the third time, unfortunatly alone, since losing Dad nearly three years ago. I will be expecting a very tough, but not insurmountable campaign, if I was adopted, but lets see. I worked at G.E.C. in Clayton-le Moors and at the Redac Brickworks in Huncoat prior to joining the R.A.F. I currently represent the good Citizens of Shadsworth with Whitebirk, and have done so since 2004. Best wishes. Jim S.

nortype 02-10-2009 22:17

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have fun mr. jone's while it last's milk it for all it it's worth. your day's numbered and getting shorter good- bye mr. who. not be missed in these part's bye. bye.

nortype 02-10-2009 22:20

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you just have done... lie low for a while .... what a joke.

garinda 02-10-2009 22:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nortype (Post 750084)
have fun mr. jone's while it last's milk it for all it it's worth. your day's numbered and getting shorter good- bye mr. who. not be missed in these part's bye. bye.

Are the Tories planning savage cuts of capital letters?

:rolleyes:

:D

jaysay 03-10-2009 08:57

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As someone thinking as standing as a candidate it seems to defeat the object rather, if you use JimS as a screen name:rolleyes:

Greeny 03-10-2009 10:14

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Not really , just I remember a letter in the Observer you had written about St Mary Magdalen s school leaving lights on over night. then in 2000 another letter about midnight bells at the turn of the century.

g jones 03-10-2009 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by nortype (Post 750084)
have fun mr. jone's while it last's milk it for all it it's worth. your day's numbered and getting shorter good- bye mr. who. not be missed in these part's bye. bye.

What is unpleasant is the nearer David Cameron is to winning the nastier some conservative voters seem to be. The issues and policies don't seem to matter.

I won Acc South by 500 votes almost. Are all these people misguided, misled, lied to???

Please keep you hysteria to yourself.

Neil 03-10-2009 10:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 750170)
What is unpleasant is the nearer David Cameron is to winning the nastier some conservative voters seem to be. The issues and policies don't seem to matter.

That is a sad state of affairs. I can't understand the level of hostility between people just because they vote one way or another.
I think everyone only wants what they think is best for the Country. I find it quite sad really that this sort of nastiness comes from so many people of all sides.

Gayle 03-10-2009 11:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greeny (Post 750160)
Not really , just I remember a letter in the Observer you had written about St Mary Magdalen s school leaving lights on over night. then in 2000 another letter about midnight bells at the turn of the century.

Do you only read the letters page because if they're the times you remember my name from, you mustn't have read the rest of the Observer lately :D

Greeny 03-10-2009 12:05

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I did use to only read the letters pages yes, but I am reading about Accrington Stanley these days. I don't think the Observer is as good since it went out of Accrington.
We have met in the past, we were both at Cheryl Southworth s funeral last year,you said she was your cousin and I thought she only had one and that was Tracey,but looks like I was wrong again.Cheryls late mum Carol was my cousin.

shillelagh 03-10-2009 12:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 750172)
That is a sad state of affairs. I can't understand the level of hostility between people just because they vote one way or another.
I think everyone only wants what they think is best for the Country. I find it quite sad really that this sort of nastiness comes from so many people of all sides.

I agree with you neil .. for once .. and dont have a heart attack ... I have friends who are labour, friends who are tories, friends who are lib dems in fact come election day there is a tory councillor who used to always buy my tea - a bag of chips from the chippie .. cos i was cheeky enough to ask him .. :D

jaysay 03-10-2009 14:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 750170)
What is unpleasant is the nearer David Cameron is to winning the nastier some conservative voters seem to be. The issues and policies don't seem to matter.

I won Acc South by 500 votes almost. Are all these people misguided, misled, lied to???

Please keep you hysteria to yourself.

Its maybe because of the crap we had to put up with from the likes of you for years, but when the boots on the other foot you don't like it. In the immortal words of corporal Jones, they don't like it up um Captain Mainwaring:p

yerself 03-10-2009 15:24

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Originally Posted by garinda
Are the Tories planning savage cuts of capital letters?

If they are it will be to compensate for the apostrophes they've been giving out. I reckon nortype was at the front of the queue.:D:D

Gayle 03-10-2009 15:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greeny (Post 750199)
I did use to only read the letters pages yes, but I am reading about Accrington Stanley these days. I don't think the Observer is as good since it went out of Accrington.
We have met in the past, we were both at Cheryl Southworth s funeral last year,you said she was your cousin and I thought she only had one and that was Tracey,but looks like I was wrong again.Cheryls late mum Carol was my cousin.

No you weren't wrong (when were you wrong before to be wrong again?) - Cheryl's dad is married to my Aunty - so easier to say 'cousin' than to go into longwinded explanation.

I first met Cheryl when she was about 9 and she became part of our family - just like me and my other cousins in the eyes of my Grandparents.

g jones 03-10-2009 16:38

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I think retribution is rife and I encounter it all the time. 'Labours bancrupted Britain and we're going put them in their place' is common. Suppose that's the way it is.

Margaret Pilkington 03-10-2009 17:08

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I feel that we have little chance of ever living peacably together when folk show such rancour over what political party someone is allied to, or supports.

Live and let live for goodness sake.

nortype 03-10-2009 19:27

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only just found it but enjoying it now I have.. pretty new at this.. aged 65. '''''''''''''''''' how''''s that.??

Bagpuss 03-10-2009 20:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 749645)
How do we nominate Mancie? :dflam:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 749649)
or baggypussy? :rolleyes:

I'd hope to get more votes than mancie but he would play the race card to entice the muslim vote.;):)

Mancie 03-10-2009 23:42

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Originally Posted by g jones
What is unpleasant is the nearer David Cameron is to winning the nastier some conservative voters seem to be. The issues and policies don't seem to matter

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750225)
Its maybe because of the crap we had to put up with from the likes of you for years, but when the boots on the other foot you don't like it. In the immortal words of corporal Jones, they don't like it up um Captain Mainwaring:p

that answer just about sums up what G.Jones was saying... just like '79 they taste blood...the Tories are not interested in policies.. they have only one aim, and that is to seek revenge, just like Thatcher they will make the vast majority of this country pay a high price for the years they have been without power...they are chomping at the bit and will say and do anything to regain that power

andrewb 04-10-2009 08:31

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Oh give it a rest Mancie. The country is in a mess. Debt is off the scale. It's not going to be a nice painless recovery - but your assertion that the Tories would 'seek revenge' is just incredibly distasteful.

Margaret Pilkington 04-10-2009 12:39

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The thing is...didn't Labour promise to work wonders in their 1997 campaign.......do you remember some of the sound bites 'Tough on Crime, Tough on the causes of Crime'.......did they deliver on these promises?
I think that the truthful answer is that they didn't.
I have no political allegiance.........I have to go on what the parties say they will do.......when these promises fail to materialise, I become disillusioned, distrustful.

I do not want to hear broadcasts where MP's from opposing parties pillory one another, and sling mud.....What I really want is someone to tell us how they are going to get us out of the mess that a succession of inept governments have got us into.

When I hear from the party that tells me what they are going to do in 'real' terms, how they are going to fix broken families, how they are going to deal with illegal immigrants, how they are going to solve the financial crisis, how they are going to clean up the sleazy parliament that they all belong to(which makes those who have done nothing wrong, guilty by association)how they are going to pare down the welfare benefits system....then I will vote for them regardless of what they call themselves......or what colour their banner is.

nortype 04-10-2009 14:30

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to. mancie.... I know not who you are. or where you live.. but having read a lot of your silly ranting's can only think one very silly old ? man.. get a life ...

Bagpuss 04-10-2009 14:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nortype (Post 750405)
to. mancie.... I know not who you are. or where you live.. but having read a lot of your silly ranting's can only think one very silly old ? man.. get a life ...

Ha Ha Ha, leave him alone you bully.:rolleyes::)

garinda 04-10-2009 16:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 750262)
I feel that we have little chance of ever living peacably together when folk show such rancour over what political party someone is allied to, or supports.

Live and let live for goodness sake.

I quite agree.

There's good and bad throughout the political spectrum, and I too find it odd when people attack someone else because they are in another 'team'.

The fanaticism some people have is akin to blindly following a football team, with all opposition to be hated.

Without this post becoming too concerned with party politcs, the Conservative members we have on Accy Web seem to be the nastier, when it comes to attacking their opponents, certainly more than the Labour members, who as far as I know, are the Labour Councillors.

There is Mancie's rabid attacks on anything blue, but other than his hatred, I've no idea who he actually supports.

jaysay 05-10-2009 09:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 750423)
I quite agree.

There's good and bad throughout the political spectrum, and I too find it odd when people attack someone else because they are in another 'team'.

The fanaticism some people have is akin to blindly following a football team, with all opposition to be hated.

Without this post becoming too concerned with party politcs, the Conservative members we have on Accy Web seem to be the nastier, when it comes to attacking their opponents, certainly more than the Labour members, who as far as I know, are the Labour Councillors.

There is Mancie's rabid attacks on anything blue, but other than his hatred, I've no idea who he actually supports.

Its not the nastiness on here that's the problem as far as I'm concern, Labour are underneath, they don't do the abusing in the public eye Rindi. for 20 years I had a catalogue of abuse thrown at me, just because I had the audacity to question their policies.

Things like used condoms in the post, with the usual epithet of Tory Bastard. the phone calls at 4am which consisted of "woke you up again you Tory bastard", the poison pen letters threatening to Smash my windows, burn my home down and one death threat that did actually reach the media at the time and was investigated by the police, dog dirt smeared all over my front door, car window smashed all my tyres let down. So excuse me Rindi if I don't share your love for everything Labour

MargaretR 05-10-2009 09:33

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The way I see those happenings-
When you send out hate, you get hate back.

jaysay 05-10-2009 10:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 750646)
The way I see those happenings-
When you send out hate, you get hate back.

Since when as asking questions about a political parties policies been sending out hate

MargaretR 05-10-2009 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750661)
Since when as asking questions about a political parties policies been sending out hate

It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it

jaysay 05-10-2009 10:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 750662)
It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it

Explain:confused:

g jones 05-10-2009 15:35

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Lets just get the truth out. I have long wanted a coalition with the Tories for 3 years. A coalition between Labour and those Conservatives opposed to PB. This included a new Tory leade. And most recently a grand coalition with Independents and Tories. Senior Tories and Indies know the deal is on the table. I have read a lot of nonsense about fighting between parties which was nonsense.

My view shared by the coalition partners is PB has wrecked hyndburn.

Arguing had to stop. Working together Has to come first and last.

It collapsed from the Tory side leaving a unoffcial coalition of Indie and Labour. Maverick Tories did not seem interested and just wanted to moan about PB.

When people say we are always arguing, people in the know knew what efforts I was making as Labour Leader behind the scenes.

We will rewrite the constitution to end squabbling and make sure it does not happen again.

Hyndburn should come first, not the nasty politics unfortunately of a certain individuals locally.

g jones 05-10-2009 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 750391)
The thing is...didn't Labour promise to work wonders in their 1997 campaign.......do you remember some of the sound bites 'Tough on Crime, Tough on the causes of Crime'.......did they deliver on these promises?
I think that the truthful answer is that they didn't.
I have no political allegiance.........I have to go on what the parties say they will do.......when these promises fail to materialise, I become disillusioned, distrustful.

I do not want to hear broadcasts where MP's from opposing parties pillory one another, and sling mud.....What I really want is someone to tell us how they are going to get us out of the mess that a succession of inept governments have got us into.

When I hear from the party that tells me what they are going to do in 'real' terms, how they are going to fix broken families, how they are going to deal with illegal immigrants, how they are going to solve the financial crisis, how they are going to clean up the sleazy parliament that they all belong to(which makes those who have done nothing wrong, guilty by association)how they are going to pare down the welfare benefits system....then I will vote for them regardless of what they call themselves......or what colour their banner is.

Crime in my ward is down dramatically. That's a personal statement.

Crime according to the main statistics is down over 1/3 in 7 years in Hyndburn. No-one has disagreed with this. Burglary, criminal damage and ASB are easy to record for eg.

It's the first recorded drop in crime since 1945. Using the same stats, the last government saw a 200% increase in crime so there is a way to go before we reach 1979 levels.

Some of your other points I accept.

jaysay 05-10-2009 15:43

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I think the majority would sooner have PB than you any day Graham, the nastiness was started locally by Labour before your time, in the days of Goldsmith and Delaney and also involved the then MP Ken Hargreaves, there are those of us who can't forget

g jones 05-10-2009 15:50

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Maybe it did and George Slynn was quick to put the boot in too, but it takes a brave leader to end it and all PB has done is exact maximum revenge, hence why he is the last person who should MP.

I believe from Tory HQ they won't let him one Tory A lister told a senior regional labour organiser.

That's why you can't select because of all the squabbling behind the scenes. The HQ list has been sent back 4 (or is it 9) times because PB is not on it.

My source tells me you are about to have a Camronite imposed.

All recent posts via mobile !!

jaysay 05-10-2009 16:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 750763)
Maybe it did and George Slynn was quick to put the boot in too, but it takes a brave leader to end it and all PB has done is exact maximum revenge, hence why he is the last person who should MP.

I believe from Tory HQ they won't let him one Tory A lister told a senior regional labour organiser.

That's why you can't select because of all the squabbling behind the scenes. The HQ list has been sent back 4 (or is it 9) times because PB is not on it.

My source tells me you are about to have a Camronite imposed.

All recent posts via mobile !!

Just wish I could understand what your trying to say Graham:confused::confused::confused:

Margaret Pilkington 05-10-2009 20:01

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Graham, I was not getting at the local Labour Party....to me, Local Politics and National Politics are very different........I was referring to the promises made by the Labour party in the run up to the last election.......Crime may be down, but there are times when the streets after dark feel scary........and I do not trust the spin and statistics of any political party.

A lot of the apathy in politics, is that people feel that it doesn't really matter who they vote for, it will still not make a difference....it will be more of the same old same old......because the promises made when a party wants to be in power fail to bear any fruit.

I also think that there needs to be more education on politics.......I never had any education on politics....what I have learned has been by what I have observed and what I have read....but maybe people do not feel 'qualified' to vote....
It is very hard to trust National politicians with all that has been going on recently. It feels like most of the politicians are in it to screw the electorate.

In the past, people went into politics with the aim of making a difference to the lives of ordinary people....now it seems like they go into it to make sure they have a nice fat nest egg, a comfortable living and a fat pension.

Who? which party is going to dispel these feelings?

lindsay ormerod 05-10-2009 20:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750759)
I think the majority would sooner have PB than you any day Graham, the nastiness was started locally by Labour before your time, in the days of Goldsmith and Delaney and also involved the then MP Ken Hargreaves, there are those of us who can't forget


Not sure where you get that idea from Jaysay, I prefer to vote for a man who actually answers his phone and cares about what happens in his ward, to his constituents!

steeljack 05-10-2009 20:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 750899)

In the past, people went into politics with the aim of making a difference to the lives of ordinary people....now it seems like they go into it to make sure they have a nice fat nest egg, a comfortable living and a fat pension.

Who? which party is going to dispel these feelings?

Margaret , I'm thinking its maybe a generational thing , I think most folks over 50 look at present day Labour leadership and say to themselves "who are these people, how the heck did they get to lead the Labour party " Don't think one of them has what could be described as "working class roots" , no way can I imagine Blair/Brown/Harman/Mandleson addressing a TUC meeting in the 60s .

Mancie 05-10-2009 23:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 750333)
Oh give it a rest Mancie. The country is in a mess. Debt is off the scale. It's not going to be a nice painless recovery - but your assertion that the Tories would 'seek revenge' is just incredibly distasteful.

and we all know who the Tories will make pay for the mess..the sick, the low paid and the old.... these people always pay under Tory Governments and it won't be any different this time.

Mancie 05-10-2009 23:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nortype (Post 750405)
to. mancie.... I know not who you are. or where you live.. but having read a lot of your silly ranting's can only think one very silly old ? man.. get a life ...

to.Moretripe.(edit) I meant Nortype...I know not who you are...or where you live... but I know what a raving right wing tory is and you fit the description. judging by your whinging, whining, moaning posts on here I'd say you have a pretty miserable life...and so if I need to "get a life" I'll do anything to avoid getting one anything like your own. :tongueout

Mancie 06-10-2009 00:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750644)

Things like used condoms in the post, with the usual epithet of Tory Bastard. the phone calls at 4am which consisted of "woke you up again you Tory bastard", the poison pen letters threatening to Smash my windows, burn my home down and one death threat that did actually reach the media at the time and was investigated by the police, dog dirt smeared all over my front door, car window smashed all my tyres let down.

:eek:..and all that was from Tory HQ . :D
Seriously.. there is no defence for what you suffered, it's disgusting.:(

Mancie 06-10-2009 06:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 750333)
Oh give it a rest Mancie. The country is in a mess. Debt is off the scale. It's not going to be a nice painless recovery - but your assertion that the Tories would 'seek revenge' is just incredibly distasteful.

what sort of dream world do you live in Andrew?..even the hardline Tories from the 80's would admit that Thatcher created the miners strike as revenge for the strike that brought down the Tories in '74 you should know your party history son...a final pitch battle to smash the working unions...something you and your freinds on here have claimed is a "good" thing the Tories did... history shows that your party will make the majority of this country pay with cuts to the less well off.. the rich will not be a factor in your so called "hard decisions" they never have been and never will...that is what I call distasteful, disgusting, and seeking revenge.

nortype 06-10-2009 07:25

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to. mancie. ranting again ?? my life is full and well . all rosey in garden.. grow up and just get a life......

Mancie 06-10-2009 07:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nortype (Post 751069)
to. mancie. ranting again ?? my life is full and well . all rosey in garden.. grow up and just get a life......

you really are a funny old Hector :)

Margaret Pilkington 06-10-2009 10:10

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Why do you have to resort to the childish name calling. Once you do that, it is a sure sign that you have lost the plot, and the argument.

shillelagh 06-10-2009 11:27

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Back to the original question ...

Until Hyndburn constituency labour party members make their mind up who they want to stand in gregs place at the next general election then this is all up in the air anyway .. and unless more of the candidates are going to join accyweb and put their hands up yes im standing for nomination .. then you are not going to know any more .. and why isnt there a thread for potential conservative candidates?

Gayle 06-10-2009 11:34

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I was sort of hoping that's what this thread would prompt - all the candidates to say hello.

The fact is that the decision which candidate to choose is made by members of the Labour party in Hyndburn (as it happens I'm not one of those so I'm not sure why I got the letter). Anyway, I thought it might be interesting for us to have the debate about who we want to represent us. That could, in turn, influence other members or help them clarify who they believe should represent us i.e. the person we believe would get the most votes.

This shouldn't have turned into a Labour v Conservative argument - it was about the Labour candidate. Someone should start another one to discuss the merits of the prospective Conservative candidates.

Bernard Dawson 06-10-2009 13:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 751129)
I was sort of hoping that's what this thread would prompt - all the candidates to say hello.

The fact is that the decision which candidate to choose is made by members of the Labour party in Hyndburn (as it happens I'm not one of those so I'm not sure why I got the letter). Anyway, I thought it might be interesting for us to have the debate about who we want to represent us. That could, in turn, influence other members or help them clarify who they believe should represent us i.e. the person we believe would get the most votes.

This shouldn't have turned into a Labour v Conservative argument - it was about the Labour candidate. Someone should start another one to discuss the merits of the prospective Conservative candidates.


The letter you got Gayle from George McNamara was sent to lot of people. He's got what he thought was an up to date list of Labour members in Hyndburn.

We are going through the process now of shortlisting for the seat. We would hope to have a candidate by the end of October,early November.

nortype 06-10-2009 18:17

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to. mancie... grow up.. send me a p.m. will sort this in quick time.... over to you.....

Tealeaf 06-10-2009 19:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 751157)
The letter you got Gayle from George McNamara was sent to lot of people. He's got what he thought was an up to date list of Labour members in Hyndburn.

We are going through the process now of shortlisting for the seat. We would hope to have a candidate by the end of October,early November.

Typical of Labour. They do not even know who is a member of their own party. And this bunch of jokers is running the country?

Eric 06-10-2009 21:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 751129)
I was sort of hoping that's what this thread would prompt - all the candidates to say hello.

The fact is that the decision which candidate to choose is made by members of the Labour party in Hyndburn (as it happens I'm not one of those so I'm not sure why I got the letter). Anyway, I thought it might be interesting for us to have the debate about who we want to represent us. That could, in turn, influence other members or help them clarify who they believe should represent us i.e. the person we believe would get the most votes.

This shouldn't have turned into a Labour v Conservative argument - it was about the Labour candidate. Someone should start another one to discuss the merits of the prospective Conservative candidates.

Perhaps the prospective Conservative candidates don't have any merits to discuss .... a book about the merits of conservatives would be as short as "The Complete Dictionary of Italian War Heroes".:rolleyes:

g jones 10-10-2009 06:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 751309)
Typical of Labour. They do not even know who is a member of their own party. And this bunch of jokers is running the country?

He was given an old list by a union member. No-one is allowed the list between the PPC being vacated and the closing date for expressions on interest. Hence why Mr McNamara acquired an old list.

g jones 10-10-2009 06:36

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Back on thread. There are 27 expresions of interest. I have put my name forward with Clare Pritchard and Bob Wilkinson from within the constituency. The others are from Blackburn to as far away as London. There will be a meeting at the Canine Club next Friday with members and those interested. Nominations are next. Nominations are made from each ward, then shortlisting, hustings and the vote.

Neil 10-10-2009 08:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 752065)
He was given an old list by a union member. No-one is allowed the list between the PPC being vacated and the closing date for expressions on interest. Hence why Mr McNamara acquired an old list.

So was he breaking some rule then if he was not allowed the list?

Is it right for someone to be giving the list to someone else?
I don't think so.

Gayle 10-10-2009 08:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 752067)
Back on thread. There are 27 expresions of interest. I have put my name forward with Clare Pritchard and Bob Wilkinson from within the constituency. The others are from Blackburn to as far away as London. There will be a meeting at the Canine Club next Friday with members and those interested. Nominations are next. Nominations are made from each ward, then shortlisting, hustings and the vote.

Presumably some of the 'national' candidates will have put themselves forward for a number of constituences if their aim is to be an MP, rather than specifically wanting to represent Hyndburn.

Only three local candidates? I would have hoped that more would put their head above the parapet. Are there any others? Personally, I would prefer a local person to get the gig.

Taggy 10-10-2009 08:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 751309)
Typical of Labour. They do not even know who is a member of their own party. And this bunch of jokers is running the country?

Wouldn't happen with a Tory would it???....Oh hang on.... Chris Grayling!!!:D


Best Regards - Taggy

g jones 12-10-2009 09:51

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It has always been my view that we should have a Hyndburn candidate. I have a huge degree of sceptisism about careerists, carpet baggers, national union nominations, London Solicitors, so called activists and 'top-downers (this national committee, that MP)'.

I want a candidate who will devote more to Hyndburn than 'life at Westminster'. I think Kitty Usher behaved appallingly. Having met her on several occasions, she was more 'career minded' and London/Westminster obsessed than the papers pointed out which is rather sad.

Having said that, Arthur Davidson made a successful attempt to be an Accringtonian but still spent time away. Only Ken Hargreaves was a true local person who still lives and campaigns for the area and we should be grateful to Ken for that. A great local MP on an individual basis, however he struggled by being foremost, loyal to the Thatcher Government which damaged this area in most people's eyes.

jaysay 12-10-2009 09:58

Re: Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 752784)
It has always been my view that we should have a Hyndburn candidate. I have a huge degree of sceptisism about careerists, carpet baggers, national union nominations, London Solicitors, so called activists and 'top-downers (this national committee, that MP)'.

I want a candidate who will devote more to Hyndburn than 'life at Westminster'. I think Kitty Usher behaved appallingly. Having met her on several occasions, she was more 'career minded' and London/Westminster obsessed than the papers pointed out which is rather sad.

Having said that, Arthur Davidson made a successful attempt to be an Accringtonian but still spent time away. Only Ken Hargreaves was a true local person who still lives and campaigns for the area and we should be grateful to Ken for that. A great local MP on an individual basis, however he struggled by being foremost, loyal to the Thatcher Government which damaged this area in most people's eyes.

Graham I think that's the first time I have ever agreed with every word in one of your posts, to me whichever party furnishes our next MP I only hope its some one who actually lives here in Hyndburn. Once in Westminster an MP represents everybody and your in with a shout if our representative knows the needs of the area and its people. Good Post

garinda 12-10-2009 12:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 752784)
It has always been my view that we should have a Hyndburn candidate. I have a huge degree of sceptisism about careerists, carpet baggers, national union nominations, London Solicitors, so called activists and 'top-downers (this national committee, that MP)'.

I want a candidate who will devote more to Hyndburn than 'life at Westminster'. I think Kitty Usher behaved appallingly. Having met her on several occasions, she was more 'career minded' and London/Westminster obsessed than the papers pointed out which is rather sad.

Having said that, Arthur Davidson made a successful attempt to be an Accringtonian but still spent time away. Only Ken Hargreaves was a true local person who still lives and campaigns for the area and we should be grateful to Ken for that. A great local MP on an individual basis, however he struggled by being foremost, loyal to the Thatcher Government which damaged this area in most people's eyes.

...and of course Greg Pope, as well as Ken, is a local lad.

Tealeaf 12-10-2009 13:56

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Do we know yet if Greg is one of those who has to pay back his "expenses"?


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