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Mmm .... let's give this one a little thought.:confused: You are saying that the tories were dumb enough not to see through that weak, transparent excuse for going over there and kicking some Iraqui ass. Anyone that dumb wouldn't get my vote. None of our politicians were fooled .... well maybe a few tories; the kind that sandpaper their necks before they go out and face the day.:rolleyes::D

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So why are your troops out there dying like ours?? :confused:

Unless yours told the truth and said they are in it for the oil.

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Canada never signed on to Iraq ... no Canadians fought in the second Gulf War. There were a lot of hard feelings over that one; Americans were boycotting Canadian Club whiskey and Canada Dry Ginger Ale, both brands owned by British companies by the way:rolleyes: But, you can say "no" to the US ... Afghanistan is different; it is still a crock, but the mission (love that term, makes killing people into a sacred act) is, as far as I understand, a UN one, with NATO doing the actual fighting ... or on vacation like the French and the Germans.

And it does seem like the Americans are following our lead, and citing 2011 as being a good time to say goodbye folks, have a nice time killing one another.:rolleyes:

And we got lotsa oil of our own:mosher:

John Smith was my favourite leader. I didn't back Blair back in 94. I didn't fancy any of the candidates following Smith.

I was particularly not happy at Mr Blair campaigning when there had been a principled acknowledgement to honour John Smith first.

Whilst I jumped for joy in 97 I also new policies I would like Labour to persue would be sidelined.

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Socalism was sidelined in 97, thus was the begining of the end, with my love affair with labour.:( a sad day indeed IMHO. P.S. but still prefer em to the despicable ones.

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John Smith was a safe bet to win the 97 election and lets be honest any Labour leader would have won it because the Tories were finished...next years election has similar overtones.

It's funny when a debate about the next Tory candidate turns into a lament on the death of socialism..Cashman is correct when saying socialism was put aside in the 97 election but there is a clear drawn line between Labour and the Tories.

Tories will always have an ideal that encourages the vast majority to work harder and do more for the sake of the nations economy, this is a well trodden path were the rich remain in comfort, it's been that ideal for 200yrs and no matter how they tart it up it always will be ..anyone just about getting by in these times should have a look at the Tories history before they vote.

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I have read this a lot on here.

Please explain what you class as "the rich" and the "vast majority" who it will appear will be working harder?

If Labour is supposed to be the working mans party where do those who avoid work fit into it? Don't the "vast majority" have to work harder to pay for all those who are not working? ( I am referring to those who avoid work not those who want to and can't find a job)

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In 1993 over 14 million people voted Tory, more than at any other election in history, by your yardstick Mancie that says there are 14 million rich people in this county, or is it there are people who saw Socialism for what it was, unworkable, because those who profess it don't practice what they preach:rolleyes:

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The French philosopher Rousseau wrote that progress is made by revolution and counter revolution. I think people would like to see a bigger difference between the two main parties.

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When I say "the rich" I mean the established well off land owners and big business.
It's all to easy to say that Labour and Tory are the same but there is a basic difference.

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Come on Jaysay I never say that only the rich vote Tory..anyone can be conned. ;)

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I reckon Mancie's a closet Tory.

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Nobody conned me Mancie, I made a decision to join the Tory Part when I was 17, I read the manifestos of the three main parties and decided accordingly, even though my Uncle was a Labour Councillor of many years standing:rolleyes:

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Have the tories not decided yet whos on their short list ... only asking because andrewb said he'd post the list .. and he hasnt done yet .. or have they not decided yet ...

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Ain't decided yet Jen

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You haven't changed your political views since you were 17:eek:. That's true Lancashire stubborn, dig your heels in right up to the elbows;):D

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Well at least I'm not like members of the Labour Party who jumped through hoops to endorse New Labour and now don't want to be mentioned in the same century as them, fickle or what

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A journalist contacted me today, would I comment on the Tories not selecting their candidate. Apparently Tory HQ had not replied to the HCA correspondence and they were waiting? Why would HQ not reply to Hyndburn Tories?

A well connected London source says that HQ are actually waiting for Hyndburn Conservatives to draw up a list and arrange to select. I am informed a certain persons name is not on the acceptable Tory HQ list, I presume what you'd Tongue in cheek call a z-list candidate! If they do not proceed to select then HQ will impose an all womens A List.

Surely this is all down to the chair of the local Tories however this is deputy leader and friend of the Leader, Brian Roberts.

I can't see The Tories falling out when there is a chance of winning. If the election is 25 March then the last date to have a candidate on the ballot paper is mid Feb.

There's a candidates Q&A at the Accrington? British Legion this month. CPA, Labour and BNP have announced. Will that be the q&a panel with no Tory?

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Slip a frock on

Everyone's happy.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qYa6ubPhRp...widdecombe.jpg

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I dont believe they will choose an outsider for that reason. Only one person can win this. I believe i know who.

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The more I think about this the more I think that Tory HQ should keep out of the selection process. It should be completely and totally down to the local party to select as they know who is most likely to stand a chance. Yes, let HQ offer national candidates but the final decision should be at local level.

It's a surefire way of losing votes if a candidate is imposed.

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Since the Conservatives haven't won a General Election in Hyndburn since 1987, with candidates (Hargreaves, Britcliffe x 2, and Mawdsley) chosen by the local party all losing, perhaps C.C.O. think they'll have just a good a chance of providing a winning candidate.

They might think our local Conservative party aren't quite in tune with Nu-Tory thinking, and that we are ready for a more caring, sharing, and huggy candidate here in Hyndburn.

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But in all fairness, they didn't really have much chance nationally in those years either, did they? I don't think Hyndburn was going against the grain at all.

Was Mawdsley a local Tory - I thought he was a shipped in one? I could be wrong.

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I really don't think a local candidate would be a good idea for the Tories. The ones that have been rumoured to be put up would lose votes because they are not popular in all areas. I wouldn't vote for the two that have been suggested anyway, even though I voted Tory at the last election.

I think they need to put someone in who the people of Hyndburn would vote for due to the fact that they are standing just for that party, and the voters have no personal feelings for.

Different matter with Labour though. Graham would hold votes because he is popular .. in the main .. :D

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James Mawdsley wasn't local, but moved here after he was selected by the local Conservative party.

Since Labour didn't win a General Election until 1997, the choices of candidate, made by the local party, haven't proved very appealing, or successful, since 1987.

I can understand the reticence of C.C.O. not wanting to back a candidate that the electorate have already rejected, twice, even if they apparently have the backing of the local party.

Although Brown has hinted that the election will be in late May, in theory it could be called at any time, leaving the Conservatives at a distinct disadvantage, if they don't have an acceptable candidate in place.

It's a real worry.

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Does James Mawdsley still live round here - or did he just move here for the campaign and then try somewhere else?

Greg won in 1997.
The MP before that was a Conservative - Ken Hargreaves.

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yer first paragraphs probably a bigger worry.:D

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Greg won in 1992. :p

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Sorry, course he did.

My point was that the Tories nationally, really haven't been a viable opposition for some time, but they did win when things were a bit more balanced. And, now that the current government is hugely unpopular, this is a likely time for Hyndburn to swing back to Tory.

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Greg Pope first won the seat, from sitting M.P. Ken Hargreaves, in 1992.

James Mawdsley scarpered soon after his resounding defeat.

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You're wrong.

When Pope won the seat for Labour in 1992, from the popular sitting local M.P., New Labour was but a distant dream, and the Labour party was seen as unelectable, with Kinnock as their leader.

Hyndburn bucked the trend, by electing Greg.

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Interestingly Ken Hargreaves was only the fourth Conservative M.P. for the Accrington/Hyndburn constituency.

There was Robert Hodge in 1886.

Ernest Gray, the Coalition Conservative M.P. in 1918.

Henry Proctor in 1931, and then it was solidly Labour until Ken first won in 1983.

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I wasn't here then so can't remember - I'll take your word for it.

But in recent years, I don't think that the Tories have had a chance because we've had an established, respected MP, and nationally they haven't been doing brilliantly either.
In the last general election when they made some ground, they put up a man who wasn't local and was chosen by the national party, all be it with the local parties backing, and who spouted some rubbish about euthanasia if I recall.

With Greg standing down and the national party doing quite well, I just think that this is probably their best chance for a long time, if they get the right candidate. I also think that, on the whole, Hyndburn prefers its candidates from either party to be local people.

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Are you after hugging Peter :rolleyes::D

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Yes do, because neither was I, but I liked to keep abreast of what was happening in the place of my birth. After all knowledge is power.

I agree that there has never been a better chance for the Conservatives locally, as I pointed out the day Britcliffe threw his hat into the arena, in this thread.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...m-p-47895.html

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It was a collective 'we'.

Personally I'd be happier giving anti-social louts a clip behind the ear, rather than doing what Cameron says, and giving them a hug, and biggin' up some respect for them.

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Yep that sounds better

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For somebody who thinks 'knowledge is power' it seems to have escaped you that this 'hug a hoodie' crap was just a newspaper headline and nothing to do with actual policy.

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They have 'actual policies' regarding the hugging of hooligans?

That's very interesting to know.

Now if you're wearing your li'l Blue Care Bear hoodie, I'll give you a little hug for being helpful.

Hooded Sweatshirt > I <3 Tory Bear!

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Oh dear, I really shouldn't have scrolled down any further.

I'm now seeing these being worn on next year's calendar.

:eek:

Classic Thong > I <3 Tory Bear!

Jesus wept. (John 11:35)

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At least I know what to get you next Christmas :rolleyes::D

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Only if they do a non-partisan one, with Labour on the reverse, and the Lib Dems where the sun don't shine.

;)

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no comment, not on here anyway :rolleyes:

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thanks rindy .. i dont want to go to sleep now ... nightmare time!!!

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I think Ken Hargeaves bucked the trend in 1987 helped by associated Militant Keva Coombes from Liverpool.

Whilst 5% swings were the norm in this region, ken actually increased his majority from 21 to 2000.

In 1996 the Tories also selected Hugh Neil but following salubrious headlines he was deselected.

From the election being called parties will have one week to get nomination papers in and 5 weeks campaigning. I do think it is very latebut that should be ok if they pick a local candidate. Clearly any outsider will have difficulty in having just a few weeks.

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You seem to have a problem with the press, especially the Tory supporting Daily Telegraph, but when the politically ultra-right Daily Mail refers to Cameron's famous 'hug-a-hoodie' speech in a report, then I'm afraid the die is cast.

Aide who wrote Cameron's hug-a-hoodie speech is attacked... by a HOODIE | Mail Online

Whatever his intention, historically he will now always been associated with that speech, and will be seen as a soft, namby-pamby bleeding heart, more concerned with the welfare of anti-social louts, rather than offering support and a more secure future to the victims of crime.

Careless talk costs (political) lives.

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I saw the Peter B comment. I like many feel the Borough I being let down by local Conservatives. The parliamentry fiasco is indicative of the same people running our Borough.

I did post the blog and the press did print a story from it. I was contacted but not quoted. But it not the first time the press have chased the story.

Nigel Evans knows I have been canvassing and was critical. So it's not just Labour.

The public in Hyndburn deserve a Tory candidate at the earliest.

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Hi any thoughts on who it may be.

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It'd probably be more productive asking that question of a Conservative Party member, rather than someone who's a member of another political party.

I'm sure asking someone a little closer to home might be more illuminating.

;)

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Already asked the question to the one a little closer to home he has no ideas on who it may be. Just asked Graham who he thought it may be. I think i know who it may be but will have to wait i guess.

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Graham has talked a lot about CCHQ imposing their own list after January 1st. For example the silly talk of all women shortlists. I think this might be incorrect. As far as I'm aware only constituencies where a sitting Conservative MP stands down after January 1st will be subject to these by-election selection procedures.

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You only 'think' it might be incorrect.

Until you know for sure, then it mightn't be 'silly talk'.

Facts are what's needed, not you second guessing, and 'thinking'.

You silly Billy.

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This isn't Encyclopaedia Britannica, more a source of local information and community discussion. Sorry for trying to be helpful.

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If you merely 'think' something to be incorrect, without knowing one way or the other, it seems silly to second guess what the truth might be, without anymore evidence.

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The evidence is in the links you yourself posted.

David Cameron gives in to all-women candidate shortlists - Times Online

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Er...right, so there is no more new information, and over a week later you've arrived at the conclusion that you 'think' it's incorect that Hyndburn will have an all female list.

Silly, and bizarre.

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Just stating what has been missed before. What I have highlighted would suggest that Hyndburn is not applicable. Therefore I think the original idea that Hyndburn could be shortlisted on this basis is incorrect.

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I think it's always wiser to know something as fact, rather than just 'think' it might be, before opening my mouth.

Otherwise I'd be afraid I'd look silly.

Knowledge is power.

Just 'thinking' something might, or mightn't be, correct or incorrect, isn't.

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Do you agree or disagree with what I quoted and the analysis? I have quoted a newspaper and provided an analysis of an important sentence for our boroughs Conservative candidate selection.

I shall repeat it,

The highlighted section suggests this will not apply to Hyndburn.

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Then why not stop dithering about on the 'thinking' fence, and state it as fact?

Of course, if subsequently Hyndburn does have an all women list imposed on them, you'd look even sillier.

If I know something to be true I'll happily state it, and I'm not afraid to say so.

I wouldn't hide behind the get out clause of 'thinking' it to be correct, or incorrect.

Facts are facts, and that's a fact.

;)

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No opinion on my postings, other than a pedantic rant. Never questioned Graham's original post for factual content. Oh dear! :rolleyes:

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Anyone interested enough would have seen it over a week ago, when l graciously gave the link.

If you missed it, no need to thank me, I'm just happy you eventually took it all in.

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You obviously missed it too considering you did not question Graham's post on it.

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Pedantic?

Congratulations, l presume you've progressed to the next level reading book.

Nor indeed a rant.

You wouldn't survive a rant, trust me.

Just bemusement, that over a week later than everyone else, you now 'think' you know what your party's doing.

Well done you.

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Er..no.

I always read something before I post a link.

Since I've no idea of the apparent power struggle going on within your own party, as to who's on the selection list, nothing would suprise me.

I know who my preferred candidate would be, because I like a good laugh.

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Yep, pedantic. You're not interested in discussing the issue, not interested in discussing whether you agree or disagree with what I posted. Only interested in pointless replies which serve nothing to the subject but merely try and undermine the poster without actually addressing the issue.

You'd be a good politician. You still haven't managed to come out with an opinion on what I picked up from the newspaper which nobody has yet addressed in the thread.

Very easy to sit on the fence and criticise the spelling of others, the choice of posters words, or simply criticise somebodies ability to think. You don't seem to provide a counter argument or even agreement though. Speaks volumes.

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My comments relate to the fact that it's taken you over a week to absorb information reported in the press, and given in a link by myself, about your own party's policies, which relates to the subject of this thread, and even now you only 'think' you know what's going on.

The fact was that anyone interested enough was able to read what was written in the the article in Times, and you apparently have only just seen it, is quite funny.

The fact that the Conservatives are to impose all-women shortlists on constituencies which have a M.P. who announce they're standing down after January, might be irrelevant to Hyndburn.

That still doesn't address the issue of the widely reported power struggle between the local Conservative association, and the more caring, sharing, hug-a-hoodie, national Conservative party.

They don't seem very happy with the preferred candidate list of the local party, a motley crew of councillors, including an already twice defeated rejectee of previous General Elections in Hyndburn.

As a non-partisan member of the electorate here in Hyndburn I look forward to seeing who eventually wins the power struggle, when the candidate is eventually announced.

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It seems the power struggle, between the blue rinsed pipe and slippers brigade, versus the all embracing, hug-a-hoodie national party, isn't just a problem in Hyndburn.

Grassroot Tories demand new selection process - East Anglian Daily Times

It all sounds very undemocratic, forcing locals to accept people they don't want to represent them.

So much for caring and sharing, if this is an example of the high and mighty attitude we are to expect from them.

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'The editor of the influential Tory blog Conservative Home, Tim Montgomerie, went so far as to say Tory MPs had been persuaded to delay the timing of their retirement until the new period in order for the leadership to more easily manage the selections.'

'He said: "The suspicion is that any MPs who retire now have delayed their announcement at CCHQ's request and are likely to be rewarded with peerages."

Conservative grassroots fear new rule will bring in all-women lists | Politics | The Guardian


Oh very noble.

I've highligted a part of the story, in the hope that the information is absorbed in less than a week this time.

;)

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i have a question for you andrew .. if hyndburn is so important for the conservatives to win at the next election how come they havent had a candidate in situ for the last few years .. rossendale and darwens conservative party have had their candidate in situ for the last few years .. getting himself known in the constituency and to voters ...

JakeBerry.org

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Especially because of the parliamentary time scale, an election could be called at anytime, in theory.

As Greg Pope announced in June of last year that he was standing down, and it's the best chance for years that the Conservatives have of winning the seat, all this indecision, and reported fighting with CCHQ, doesn't exactly fill the electorate with confidence in their organisational skills, and abilities.

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I would say it's important at every election, not just specifically the next one. I don't know why they haven't had a candidate in place for years. In my opinion they should have done.

Garinda, I think it's important that you bring up 'reported' infighting. The infighting part of course, is not fact, but merely reported by individuals such as the Labour candidate for Hyndburn. I do feel it's important you bring it up though, without anybody else criticising you for reporting something which is not absolute fact.

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Oh I'm very interested in discussing local politics, and in this case the reported fight between the local Conservative party, and the national one.

Since I'm not a member of the Conservative party, or any other party, and therefore have no sway as to who makes the selected candidate list, I have to follow the reported power struggle in the press, and can offer no greater insight.

As for my views on the Conservative party's decision to impose all-women short-lists on some constituencies, I think it stinks.

Positive discrimination is patronising, divisive, and ultimately achieves nothing.

The Conservative party's policy on this issue is redolent of the loony-left councils of the early eighties, who grandly decided black disabled lesbians should always be promoted, even when they weren't the best person for the job.

Such patronage only brings resentment.

The best candidate should be selected for a seat because of their abilities, and not because of their gender.

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CONSERVATIVES are urg-ing their London HQ to end delays in choosing the borough’s election candidate.
Delays over Hyndburn Conservatives candidate selection (From Lancashire Telegraph)

The delay because of the fighting, and Nigel Evan's opinion of the whole sorry mess, is even discussed on here.

'Delaying the selection until this late stage presumably means that the local association will have a shortlist of three imposed upon it under the by-election rules whcih took effect on January 1st.'
ConservativeHome's Seats & Candidates blog: Hyndburn

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The recent dissent's also been reported on here, by the ever obliging Jaysay.

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Now the person who posts a load of pedantic rubbish about using the word 'think' rather than posting absolute facts, has now gone on to write a ton of posts based on 'reported' and 'presumed' interpretations of selection procedures.

I think it's a good that you've brought them up. I just find it very hypocritical that you would attack other users posts for not being absolute fact and undermine their content without actually addressing or discussing the issue, and then go on to use reported and presumed content yourself. Makes you look like a silly billy.

As was mentioned earlier, according to the available information, Hyndburn will not be an imposed shortlist as it does not match the criteria quoted.

I've already said I disagree with all women shortlists, although this digresses from the topic considering what I've already said. In other areas though I can't see AWS happening, especially since the person responsible for the idea has now stepped down and out of the selection procedure.

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I don't 'think', we can see there is reported struggle between the local and national Conservative party, regarding the selection of a suitable candidate list. I've supplied evidence from the press, which had quotes regarding the matter from a neighbouring Conservative MP. There's also evidence in this thread, supplied by a close friend of Peeter Britcliffe, that there is disagrement, which is presumably why there hasn't been a short-list announced to the public.

As a bystander it will be interesting to see who wins the power struggle, in a seat the Conservatives think is winnable...if they can eventually agree on someone, and actually field a candidate.

There's nothing like unity...and this is nothing like unity.

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If politically correct, caring, sharing, hug-a-hoodie Cameron eventually gets his way, nevermind all-women, there might yet be an all-gay/lesbian, all-disabled, or all-ethnic candidate short-list imposed.

Women and gay Tory MPs set to treble by 2010 - Times Online

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It's not a digression when the person who wants to be the next leader of the country, Cameron, actively supports positive discrimination, just as strongly as the loony-left idiots of years gone by did.

The most suitable person should always get whatever job is going, regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

Patronising, and divisive, and always the cause of outraged resentment, from those who aren't promoted or given jobs, knowing they had more experience and qualifications, but who were up against a one legged Chinese lesbian.

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I have never known the Tory Party in Hyndburn release a parliamentary short list to the press or anybody else for that matter, why should we its party business, end of

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No one is saying otherwise. It's up to your members to fight it out with your national party, to decide who makes it to the short-list.

Though I'm sure the the electorate are all waiting with bated breath, when you eventually agree on your short-list, and the successful candidate can be announced.

'Clayton-le-Moors councillor Janet Storey has been accepted as an approved candidate for the party overall, but is unable to apply for Hyndburn until the process here is opened.'
Delays over Hyndburn Conservatives candidate selection (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I'm sure the approved candidate is chomping at the bit, for the arguments to cease, so the process of canvassing can begin.

This lack of unity is a worry for us, the ordinary Joe Blogs, who are to decide who we want to represent us in Hyndburn.

If I was a member of the local Conservative party I'd be absolutely fuming, when the best chance of a win for years, is being hampered by apparent in-fighting, the local Conservatives versus the national party, and the successful candidate is unable to be out canvassing the people of the constituency, at what could be a very crucial time.

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This thread is like being at home listening to my kids argue :rolleyes::D

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Since the opposition is so poor, please could you increase my allowance Daddy, in compensation?

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By he way, I have never criticised your spelling, in this or other threads. So it's a bit weak to play the poor victim card.

Though, through humour (whoosh, right over your head), I did disagree with your choice of words, because in my opinion my posts were neither pedantic, or a rant.

My comments were those of amazement, based on the fact that you chose to reignite this thread, bringing no new information, other than you thought you now 'knew' something to be incorrect, gathered from information other people had already understood and digested.

I've never ranted on here, as it would be too much effort, and I'd rather save that effort and energy to spend in more challenging debates, in places other than Accy Web.

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You do criticise other peoples spelling though, as if this makes their argument unworthy. This information, may well have been understood and digested by yourself. You chose to withhold the point rather than correcting those talking about shortlists being imposed within Hyndburn. Which is why I brought it up. Very unlike you to not speak out and correct information. :rolleyes:

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Care to give examples, other than when it's done with humour?

As I did when yerself pointed out a spelling mistake of mine, and made one himself, spelling your name incorrectly. Which was funny.

Though I have started a couple of threads regarding spelling and grammar. Encouraging people not to be afraid to speak their mind on here, regardless of their ability. Some of the best posters we have on Accy Web, at getting their point across, don't give two figs as to spelling or grammar, because it's much more important as to what is actually said, not how it's delivered.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-how-9900.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...eld-46810.html

Because your arguments are so weak, and you apparently want to wear the poor little victim's hat, that's up to you.

No one is forcing it on you, so on your head be it.

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Don't be daft. You'd have to try a lot harder to make me feel victimised.

Again, you propose no argument. No agreement, or disagreement on the original post. The only thing worse than a weak argument is a non-existant one.

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So you couldn't come up with any examples, in which I've criticised your's, or anyone else's spelling, other than when done humerously?

What a suprise.

Poor little you.

I've made my feelings quite clear on the subject of this thread, and not being privy to the power struggle between the local and national Conservative party, and only having evidence from what's been reported in the press, and what Jaysay's posted, I've no idea who'll make the candidate short-list.

I am but a disappointed bystander, unable to start deciding who I'll vote for, because the Conservatives can't agree on a candidate.

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Just a quick question, I was lead to believe you didn't have any political tendency, that being so why then would the Conservatives not being able to select a candidate delay your choice of party to vote for ? Surely a different candidate doesn't mean different policies ?

As I said just a query :confused:

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I respect the idea of those who vote for what they see as the best candidate as a local MP.. but in a Gerneral Election would say this thread means nothing.. very few will be swayed because of a Local argument.

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You can understand the confusion about the problem if, and when, a selection short-list might be imposed here, when it even says this about Hyndburn, on the ConservativeHome website...

'Delaying the selection until this late stage presumably means that the local association will have a shortlist of three imposed upon it under the by-election rules whcih took effect on January 1st.'
ConservativeHome's Seats & Candidates blog: Hyndburn

The right hand doesn't seem to know what the left hand's doing.

It all seems such a terrible mess.

In the meantime other declared candidates, like Graham Jones and Kevin Logan, are out campaiging.

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For me, and presumably others, it's all a matter of balance.

Weighing up the pros and cons of the person who'll do best for the constituency, versus the party who'll do the best for the country.

That decison can't be made until all the candidates have been announced.

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See post 192, as to why it's important to me, and the rest of the electorate.

Personality, and that person's abilities, does come into it.

One of the reasons the seat is so up for grabs is that a well liked M.P., with a good track record, is standing down.

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Until we have proportional representation, we vote locally for a candidate who represents a national party.

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Have looked at 192, so what happens when the person who would be best for the constituency, doesn't fit into the party that is best for the Country, and furthermore the issues you state here about Personality & Ability ?

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I think it means, that one could possibly vote Labour in the local and another party in the General election, may be wrong but thats how it comes across.

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I can understand that bit by voting for different parties at different levels, but overall how does that help you when your government isn't the one you want but your local candidates are, they're tied to what they can do because the Government are a different party and certainly won't help them out.

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It's a fine balancing act.

The abilities of a particular candidate, versus the policies of the party they represent.

To further illustrate the point. When a certain person announced their intention of seeking selection in the forthcoming General Election, we had a thread about it. In this thread quite a few people, who in the past have said they have no strong political allegiance, and have indeed voted various ways in the past, stated there was no way on earth they'd vote for this particular person.

So it obviously does matter which candidate people want to represent them.

If it didn't, the local Conservative party wouldn't be having the reported trouble over their selection short-lists, and they could just put forward a monkey with a blue rosette pinned to his monkey jacket, to stand for them.

(An idea that they've probably considered, as long as the monkey is a local primate.)

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Until there's proportional representation, and something that's more akin to democracy, this is a problem we have to deal with.

Personality of individual regional politicans, weighed against the policies of national party politics.

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I'd say it's a bit more than a fine balancing act, you've got the high wire, trapeze and clowns thrown in there as well. It does seem like a whole lot of hassle.