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Nearly all constituencies have selected and David Cameron said this week they must all be completed by 31 December or face a imposed list to choose from.

Peter Britcliffe through his hat in the ring a long time ago but still no progress? Why not?

I am told that Clayton Councillor Janet Storey is the only local name on the list.

Considering it will take a few weeks for candidates to be given time to meet and canvass the 80 or 90 members is it being left too late?

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"Though his hat"? Does that means he talks threw it?:eek:

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Can anyone confirm if peter Clarke from Harwood is now on the list?

People want a local candidate rather than a carpet bagger regardless of party. If he has well done.

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typical.. takes a Labour Cllr to post a threads on the potential Tory Candidate ... the thread for the Labour Candidate has been on for weeks ... secrets, non discloser comes to mind.. and all this from a Tory party that complians about Central Government being secretive.. be aware!

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Indeed they need to hurry up and choose a candidate. If it was up to me one would have been chosen several years ago. I hope this thread is started with good intentions.

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So many hats are being thrown into the melee, I hope they all manage to get the right hat back afterwards, when they eventually announce who is standing.

http://www.nexternal.com/swisher/ima...nti_022262.jpg

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Are you admitting that there are problems in selection Andrew? The delay seems remarkable given it's 5 years since the last candidate was beaten.

David Cameron has said the ones that have not selected will be all women short lists. I can't imagine Peter turning up in a dress but given christmas is 8 weeks away perhaps he should start shopping at Dorothy Perkins LOL!

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Not sure what you mean by 'admitting'. What I said was I'd have rather we had a candidate in place several years ago.

If an all women's shortlist is imposed I think I'll abstain from the selection procedure. I believe in meritocracy. Leaving candidates out of the selection based on their sex and not their ability is completely wrong.

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And it's been a while since Greg announced he was standing down and Labour haven't got a candidate yet either!

Presumably it's been left to the last minute because you can't choose a candidate until you know when an election is. If a candidate had been chosen five years all sorts of things could have happened which might have soured the choice (who would Labour's choice have been five years ago if Greg had stood down then? - pretty sure it wouldn't be the person chosen now).

I am very keen to see who both candidates are and who pitches up as an independent - you never know the biggest surprises might be there!

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We had already selected a candidate for the next election, that was Greg. Once Greg decided not to stand at the next election the process started to select another candidate, which is what we are going through now.

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I do not like it when I hear about such sexist behaviour as this.

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'David Cameron is ready to force local Conservative associations to adopt women candidates for the first time, he made clear yesterday.'

'The Tory leader said that he was prepared to impose all-women shortlists in winnable seats.'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6882426.ece


'THE “nasty party” is getting a facelift. The number of women and gay Tory MPs is set to increase threefold at the general election.'

'David Cameron’s “class of 2010” is also expected to see four times as many members of ethnic minorities taking up seats on the Conservative benches of the Commons under current polling trends.'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6879470.ece



Positive discrimination, based on gender or sexual orientastion, is both counterproductive and patronising. The best person should be selected for the job, regardless of sex, or sexuality.

Perhaps Cllr. Britcliffe will be throwing a ladies hat into the ring now, to secure his selection in Hyndburn.

:D

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It seems the all sharing and caring, hug a hoodie, Tory Lite party is turning into an old style, loony left, Old Labour concern.

It'll probably help secure a Conservative nomination if you are a black, one legged, lesbian.

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Why is it sexist? I want to vote for the best candidate whatever sex the individual might be, their sex is of no concern to me. All women shortlists prevent men from standing even if they're the best for the job. That is absolutely wrong and as Garinda says it is insulting to the candidates whom would never know if they were selected on merit or because of their sex.

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Will you please stop agreeing with me.

That's twice, in as many days.

I'm beginning to feel a little bit frightened.

:D

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You just explained why it is sexist and wrong so why are you questioning my comment that it is sexist?

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You quoted my line on me abstaining from selecting if an all women's shortlist is imposed.. I thought therefore you were referring to that and not the original argument of having women's shortlists.

Garinda say something else, we can make it three times lucky!

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Who do you think should get it Andrew? As a member you'll have a vote. Peter has thrown his hat in the ring. Would you back him or would you wan to see and hear from other candidates?

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I'd want to see and hear from everyone wishing to stand yes.

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Will you be going to the hustings to listen and vote?

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I have every intention to but that's subject to when they're held.

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Ok, how about 'I'm unlikely to vote for Peter Britcliffe, if he's yet again nominated to stand in the General Election, here in Hyndburn'?

:rolleyes:

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You'd better be frightened, his minders back now:D

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Andrew has a child minder?

I knew he was immature, but thought he'd be off the reins by now.

:rolleyes:

:D

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You'll have to wait for that, we don't know who his opponents will be yet if indeed he were to be nominated to stand! :D

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It doesn't work like that.

You have to carry on as you have been doing recently, and agree with everything I say.

:D

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he wont agree with everything you say now jaysays back rindy .. :D:D:D

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Oh he will.

;)

He just won't admit it.

:D

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Shuuush ;)

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Ya you shussssssssssh:D

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we've got a new member ..... judith addison .. councillor .. so should be interesting ...

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She's been on for weeks Jen:rolleyes:

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I was at the Blackburn Conservatives Association Dinner on Friday Night and Baroness Warsi was the guest speaker a number of local potential candidates were present, the evening went very well. Also there was an Individual who has passed the PAB was indicating that he would like to stand in hyndburn. He lives in Blackburn and is very keen to come over and meet local conservatives councillors from Hyndburn, He is of asian origin and I was wondering what your views would be to having an asian conservative candidate as MP for Hyndburn who has been approved and is being endorsed by Baroness Warsi.

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I wouldn't be happy about any candidate who was not from within the boundries of Hyndburn, full stop

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Kevin Logan is out delivering leaflets this week. I know we are choosing this Friday. Gosh, time is passing and I can't believe after almost 5 years the Conservatives still are no nearer choosing even after PB has 'thrown his hat in the ring'.

What is PAB?

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I wondered that too Graham, ain't seen that before. There's no push, Gordon's hardly going to spring a snap general election on us is he :rolleyes:

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Parliamentary Assessment Board. It's what potential Tory candidates have to go through before they go on the approved list as constituency candidates. It actually costs the individual 250 quid for the procedure.

Just think - you could buy an Accy Stanley B share with that dosh, plus 10 free tickets and the footy shirt. Which would you rather do?

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PAB - Parliamentary Assessment Board.

This is a day long assessment by MPs and senior Party volunteers who make the final decision about whether to add your name to the Approved List of candidates.

I understand your feelings about the candidate should be from Hyndburn and I agree, what if no candidate comes forward, would someone form Blackburn not be better than someone form the south who may be imposed on Hyndburn by Conservative Central Office.

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Things have change since I packed in, wasn't in force 8 years ago

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What's happened to your mate from Ossy Jaysay. Has he ruled himself out of the contest?

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Don't know Bernard ain't seen or heard fro anybody for weeks, only talked to Brian W the day I came out of hospital, and to be quite honest politics was the furthest thing from my mind then, actually, just as it is at this moment in time

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Apologies, I hadn't seen the other thread. I hope everything works out for you.

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Due to the 4,000+ applications that the Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) has received since the Candidates List was re-opened in May 2009, it is unlikely that any further applicants will be able to get a PAB place in time to apply for a seat for the 2010 General Election.

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Re. the question you asked originally Pheonix on the Asian question. I suppose the correct answer to give is that as long as they are capable and appear to be the best candidate for the party I prefer, then it wouldn't make any difference.

Unfortunately, we have to be truthful here and suspect many would not see it this way ... this is not quite the Presidential elections in the U.S. after all.

Some whites would be swayed by this and not vote for him; other Asians would vote for him due to his ethnical background. Maybe they would balance each other out.:) If he were put up as a Labour candidate, then with the feelings against this party at the moment, he wouldn't stand a chance. Some voters will still vote with their prejudices, rather than their heads I feel.

Mind you, there are 15 M.P's from ethnic minorities at the moment, so could well be no. 16. (Ok .. not quite right, as all could change after the next election). Good luck to him.

Him living outside the area would not affect me at all ... sometimes is good to come in and take an independent look at us.

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Oh come on Jaysay, if the Conservatives elected the man on the moon as their candidate you would vote for him.. :p:D Full stop.

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Do not be to sure on that one kate I have often said I have principals, and if CCO forced a candidate on us over a local candidate I would have to think long and hard, I have always though that the best person to represent Hyndburn is some body who lives here, and at my age I ain't going to change my opinion anytime soon. I would never vote for any canidae but a Conservative, but I have been known to spoil my vote before today, but never at a General, but there is always a first time:rolleyes:

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You can always vote for us if you want Jaysay. We wont tell anyone.

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Pass:D

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Why?

You have had long enough to undo the evil mistakes the Tories made and have failed. I think its time for someone else to have a go.

Well almost failed - you just took over a failing railway and several screwed up banks ;)

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Shushhhhhhhh Neil, they're not into national politics are our Bernard and Graham:rolleyes:

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They could ditch the enviromental policies that just moved our heavy industry east along with the pollution it causes as well

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I seem to recall that it was Maggie Thatcher who broke the back of British Industry.

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Or was it Scargill?

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Strange you'd say that. Under the Thatcher manufacturing rose by 20%. Under 12 years of Labour manufacturing has flatlined while it has risen in other economies.

You seem to blame a lot on Thatcher. Why have Labour not actually done anything about it all these years in office?

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Just wondered Andrew .. what manufacturing industries would you have tried to resurrect/introduce into the Northwest in the last 12 years .. faced with the ongoing imports of cheap products ?

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Total rubbish.. where do you dig this kak up from Andrew?..anyone who lived in Accrington or the north west under Thatcher will know what really happend... maunufacturing in Accrington died, all the big employers went bust... the town was literally begging for Government help but was left to rot! 28% of people under the age of 25 unemployed... that was the reality.

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Just out of interest I have compiled odds for the Tory candidate Tongue in cheek, here goes;

2/1 Peter Clarke (dep leader from gt harwood)
3/1 Any outside candidate
4/1 Female outside candidate
5/1 Peter Britcliffe
11/2 Male Outside Candidate
8/1 Marlene Haworth
8/1 A Euro MPs son
10/1 Asian candidate from Blackburn
10/1 Janet Storey
12/ Tony Dobson
25/1 Kevin Horkin
25/1 Brian Roberts
100/1 Andew B

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To be honest, I don't know. As you say we can't compete with low skilled manufacturing.

Mancie my 20% figure is wrong I've no idea why I wrote it. There was a large structural change indeed. Particularly in the recession of the late 70s early 80s. Jobs in manufacturing declined just as much under Thatcher as it has under Blair/Brown though.

Thatcher made a lot of tough decisions. A lot of them I feel were needed though and we're much better off for it. An example being the closure of the pits.

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Hahaha :D

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Try telling all the people in mining communities that the closure of the pits was a good decisions.

Andrew have you ever been made redundant?

Maybe when you have experienced the feeling of worthlessness that the experience brings, not to mention the worry of how you will provide for your family. Then you can start to lecture us on how good Thatcher's decisions were.
It is all well and good reading books and going to lectures about what happened under Thatcher. But there are many of us who know what long term devastation the evil woman has made to society.

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She didn't concentrate enough on society no. Would you prefer if the pits remained open at the expense of the tax payer?

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I don't know what Claytonender's response will be but mine is YES..I would prefer mines and manufacturing industries that employ masses of people to remain, even at the tax payers expense.. rather that than spend billions to sling people on unemployment and housing benifits...but then I'm not a Tory.

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I don't think that using the Thatcher argument for either side is relevant any more. Yes, we can learn by mistakes that were made in her Government, but when we're currently facing mass redundancies again, it doesn't seem right to be blaming a Government from 15 years ago (or praising it either).

I have been made redundant, 3 times as it happens, throughout my life. And in all of those instances, i actually ended up better off in the long run, so I can talk about redundancy with authority.

When in Government, and I'm sure the same applies in local politics too, there are tough decisions to be made. I'm sure all Councillors have sat in meetings and have had to vote with their head when their hearts are telling them to vote another way, or when they know what the public reaction will be.

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Its just a pity the same hue and cry wasn't made of the demise of the lancashire cotton industry in the sixties, the fact is Scargill wasn't interested in the miners interests but his own communist agenda to bring down the Tory Government. Wasn't it the General secretary of the TUC who said after the miners strike Arthur went into the strike with a big union and a little house and came out the other side with a small union and a big house:rolleyes:

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Its a hard one that. If it was cheaper to keep them open than to pay all those who were made redundant then yes. I doubt anyone can quote accurate figures about what it would have cost to keep the mines open compared with the cost to close them and pay benefits afterwards.

The other argument is that we might have been more self sufficient on fuel if they had stayed open.

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That's a good point. I think that over the course of continued employment it would have cost the taxpayer an awful lot of money. As for self sufficient, the other argument is that Scargill held the nation to ransom, where as foreign imports of fuel have charged the world a lot for fuel but haven't suddenly decided to stop output.

For sustainability we need Nuclear power in my opinion. I think we're digressing more and more off the subject though. :D

As I've said in another thread, as soon as I've seen the Conservative candidates shortlist I'll post it here if it's not already on.

Tongue in cheek - there's been some movement in the market

2/1 to 6/4 Peter Clarke (dep leader from gt harwood)
3/1 to 5/2 Any outside candidate
7/2 any Female outside candidate
5/1 out to 20/1 Peter Britcliffe
11/2 to 4/1 Male Outside Candidate
8/1 out to 12/1 Marlene Haworth
8/1 out to 12/1 A Euro MPs son
10/1 into 8/1 Asian candidate from Blackburn
10/1 out to 25/1 Janet Storey
12/1 into 8/1 Tony Dobson
25/1 out to 50/1 Kevin Horkin
25/1 Brian Roberts
100/1 into 80/1 Andew B as he has not as yet ruled himself out! LOL

new market emerging... When will the Cons select
50/1 Nov
5/2 Dec
11/10 Jan
4/1 Feb
12/1 March
April is to late...

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well the conservatives in rossendale and darwen constituency has had their candidate chosen for a couple of years but i would have thought that hyndburn would have had their candidate in situ like rossendales getting himself known to the local press and out and about in the constituency ..

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May be they don't want to tell anyone yet. Heaven forbid it would be kept a secret!

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They're probably "waiting for the right time to release the information"! ;)

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Around about June next year would be a good time.

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Its only a secret if they know and don't tell anyone :D

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It stinks of conspiracy
.....move this to Anything Goes :D

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the other argument is you are bullsh1tting, you know well the strike was about Pit Closures NOT money, so ransom is complete horse manure,n there was me thinking you'd learn as ya gained knowledge, what a pillock i am.:rolleyes: Gayle you may well have been better off fer 3 redundancies, lets hope yer not having to think on that when yer oer 50.:rolleyes:

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Why did they want to close the pits?

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to destroy the N.U.M. is the only realistic answer, given that many of the pits had many decades of coal left in em. people will think or say what they want as always,check out the history theres yer answer.

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I think a leak occured not long after and it was also confirmed in autobiographies that it was revenge for 1974. It was all premeditated. Foreign imports piled high in Spring. Deliberate breakdown in relations. Restrictive union legislation brought in just before hand.

It was all uneccessary. Britains pits produced Europe's cheapest coal but the Germans and Poles (which was communist anyway) were subsidising theirs.

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Yeah....subsidy on Ruhr miners was running at about £60k per head per annum..half if which came from the FDR, the other half from the EEC, aka the British Taxpayer.

My most abiding memory of the 84/85 strike was being on Sheffield railway station just after Christmas of '84, waiting for the London train. The temperature was about 10c below...a couple of hundred people were waiting on the platform and a train was there - but no one was allowed to board - with the exception of one man. There were an awful lot of very cold women and children on that platform, yet Comrade Scargill took advantage of his position and his union friends in the NUR to take a nice, warm seat while everone else had to wait outside.

This country would be a far better place now if we still had some pits...but the simple fact is that it was Scargill who called the strike and Scargill who destroyed the coal industry and the NUM. He was a complete and utter Yorkshire Communist s**t and the only tragedy is that he was not blown up in a coal pit explosion years ago.

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I agree, Scargill judgement was seriously flawed. He misjudged the strength of the NUM against Thatcher.

On Topic. I hope the Tories select a local candidate. I think several outsiders are in the frame including some from down south as the Tories have hundreds of spare candidates.

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I would think, Graham, that you would be happier if they picked an outsider, surely that helps your chances. ;) :D

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Unless that local candidate had already stood twice before...unsuccesfully.

:D

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I want the best for Hyndburn. I believe in socialism but in the end there is no substitute for hard work and a local person will have greater enthusiasm.

I don't think Peter will be selected now. It's too late. His time has gone and HQ look like they have quashed his nomination.

He is very popular in Ossy but he has yet to reach that level of popularity elsewhere.

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The reason they had a swipe at Peter was because he told the selection board that he was only interested in standing as a candidate in Hyndburn, seems they didn't like it:mad:

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sincerly hope they swiped him hard.:D

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Well that's just plain daft. I would have thought that was the BEST reason for wanting to stand!!!

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Great minds think alike Gayle, must not be too many great minds on the Tory selection board:rolleyes:

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well what else did ya expect?:rolleyes::D

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Instead of the fact they didnt want him full stop and dont think he will win. Either that or they think he is a tiddler in a big pond and not up to it. Do this selection board have a set or is it crawl around under the threat of expulsion sdictated by BLUE H.Q?

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...and you find being a member of New Labour satisfys this belief?

It's as near to socialism as the North Pole is to the South.

:rolleyes::D

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Perhaps they didn't know where it was.

:D

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I don't consider myself all that well informed about "New Labour"; but it does seem as if it was a necessary mutation. That is, if one accepts the argument that the working class that existed when I was young (imagine a Bush tv, with a black and white 12" screen, and the whole thing bigger than my Cadillac, and you will get an idea of how long ago that it:eek:) is no longer there. Perhaps there is an argument that this "progress" was necessary; or that Thatcher deliberately set out to destroy the working class. But in the absence of a true socialist party, where do people who believe in the right of the little guy to have a fair share of the wealth go?

Apart from the fact that they are not given to kissing American ass, our Liberal Party seems a lot like new Labour. It is a party which sits in the centre, but which also favours programs which benefit "average" Canadians. Canadian voters got real po'd at the Libs over a few scandals, but not enough to trust the tories with a majority government.

Still think, tho' it's none of my business, that a Conservative minority would be a good result for Britain in a General Election ... as long as the BNP don't hold the balance of power, which I think is unlikely this time.

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You are of course right.

Old Labour were unelectable, and reformed under Blair, and became a centralist party. A fact which is illustrated by the number of international squillionaires who've relocated to Britain in the last twelve years. The super rich didn't leave Britain, which they did when Labour governments still held socialist principles, instead they came here in their droves.

The 'hug a hoodie' Conservatives have similarly reformed, in order to appeal to the electorate.

Both major parties have come so far to the centre there's really very little difference between them, other than one party seems jaded, and full of the arrogance that comes from having formed the last four governments, whilst the other seems fresh and untested, just as New Labour did in 1997.

You can't imagine Eden or Macmillan's wife having a tattooed ankle, unlike the present Conservative Lite leader's.

How times have changed.

An inked up Tory leader's wife, and a 'socialist' former Prime Minister who's made a £13 million pound fortune since leaving office two years ago.

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I think you've hit the main point there Garinda about the next general election.

Conservatives and Labour are very similar in many ways, they spout the same platitudes and have similar policies. Yes, there are differences if you're interested enough to look at things in detail but the majority of the voting electorate don't look at it that closely. All most people will see is a tired and old Labour party, tainted with the war argument, and a fresh and young Conservative party, who, even though they also voted for the war, seem to be escaping that brick.

David Cameron seems to me to be an identikit of Tony Blair when he came to power. I'm not saying that the only reason they picked him was because he was young, charming and was relatively easy on the eye, but they must have considered all the factors that got Blair into power.

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They voted for the war on duff doctored information Gayle

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All of that, if that's true, will come out in the inquiry.

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I have changed your post for you Gayle, you missed the :rolleyes::D off the end

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Blair wanted the EU presidency because that would have exempted him from prosecution.

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Probably so, but most of Europe like britain can't stand him, so was never on the cards.:D

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That's funny cashy in 1996 our Tony was the finest thing since sliced bread, appeared in all Labour election literature and the likes of messrs Jones and Dawson were queuing up to kiss his feet, ain't life a bitch when the new messiah turns out to be just another plonker:D

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Not fer cashy he wasn't i never voted fer him in the leadership election n ya had to pick 2.:rolleyes: