Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 760612)

Certainly wouldn't vote for either of the main parties as they both lied about giving us a referendum on this...didn't they, all you Labour and Tory party members out there? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 760659)

Sorry Wynonie, don't agree, Labour have sold use down the river AGAIN, there is no point of the next Tory Government holding a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty as its will have been in force for six months prior to any change in Britain, the Lisbon Treaty will be law in December thanks to Brown, but Cameron has said that the next Government will ensure that this will never be allowed to happen again and will pass laws which state that British interests will be put before European, as well as renegotiating parts of European law. For the Tories to ave any sort of a vote on the Lisbon Treaty would be totally futile and waste of money (these exercises don't come cheap) you can't unratify something that is already law

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 760672)

In that case, he shouldn't have made a "cast-iron" promise on it in his attempt to look tough on Europe.

I'll tell you one way to solve it, though, Jaysay - how about the next Tory government having a referendum on the whole question of our EU membership? You know in your heart of hearts he wouldn't dare, because he knows what the answer would be! Much better to carry on with the illusion that somehow we can be part of the EU but still independent!

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 760672)

In that case, he shouldn't have made a "cast-iron" promise on it in his attempt to look tough on Europe.

I'll tell you one way to solve it, though, Jaysay - how about the next Tory government having a referendum on the whole question of our EU membership? You know in your heart of hearts he wouldn't dare, because he knows what the answer would be! Much better to carry on with the illusion that somehow we can be part of the EU but still independent!

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 760680)

Easy trap to fall into. The "cast-iron" promise was about a referendum before Lisbon was ratified. In all reality as much as it pains me to say it, now that it has been ratified it would take all 27 countries to undo it. Previous to ratification we had the power to say no. It's Brown we have to blame.

I want an in or out referendum. We actually have the power to legislate on the result of that referendum, unlike a post ratification referendum on Lisbon. I don't want it come what may however. If you had one now Labour and the Liberal Democrats would use the economy to fool voters into remaining in the EU. Just like what happened in Ireland over Lisbon. They'd then argue forevermore that the British public gave them a mandate to keep on course to a federal Europe. Something we can both agree is not what we want. We want a sovereign Britannia.

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 760695)

This is all part of the agenda for one world goverment.:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 760719)

European President?

What the hell!

The last time we had a referendum on Europe, it was sold as an economic alliance, not as the birth of the United States of Europe.

The Soviet Union, the bringing together of totally disparate countries, under the umberella governing of one super state, didn't work, and neither will this.

It'll end in tears being shed, if not blood.