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Care to share the evidence, that backs up that statement?

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Oh dear, it's apparently 'on yer bike' Tebbit, who doesn't know his left from right.

Though everyone else, with half a brain, knows full well that the B.N.P. are a right-wing extremist party.

Mohammed Azam, National Assembly Against Racism chair said:
"David Cameron and the Conservative Party should condemn and discipline Lord Tebbit for this. A conservative politician making the BNP appear respectable is very dangerous. Norman Tebbit should apologise for his comments. The BNP is a fascist organisation not a normal political party. History shows that fascism stands for the physical annihilation of entire communities: in the 1930s, millions of people including Jews, lesbian, gay, black, Asian, ethnic minority communities, Roma and disabled people and many others faced the systematic extermination program of the Nazis in concentration camps. The recent Channel Five documentary 'Neo-Nazi Hate Rock' showed the BNP receives money from the sales of neo-Nazi hate music and fundraising events. What more evidence does Lord Tebbit need?"
Mohammed Azam, National Assembly Against Racism chair said:
"David Cameron and the Conservative Party should condemn and discipline Lord Tebbit for this. A conservative politician making the BNP appear respectable is very dangerous. Norman Tebbit should apologise for his comments. The BNP is a fascist organisation not a normal political party. History shows that fascism stands for the physical annihilation of entire communities: in the 1930s, millions of people including Jews, lesbian, gay, black, Asian, ethnic minority communities, Roma and disabled people and many others faced the systematic extermination program of the Nazis in concentration camps. The recent Channel Five documentary 'Neo-Nazi Hate Rock' showed the BNP receives money from the sales of neo-Nazi hate music and fundraising events. What more evidence does Lord Tebbit need?"

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Interestingly Nick Griffin is the son of a former Conservative councillor.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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I imagine the "evidence" you refer to is that it's more likely to be in traditional Labour voting working class towns that the BNP have any amount of success... but these are places in which the BNP focus their filth...the BNP don't even put up candidates in the leafy Tory suburbs.

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Griffin's Conservative daddy.
BBC News | UK POLITICS | BNP row: What impact?

Strangely came across this.

'Hundreds' of Conservatives are in the BNP - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

Which because of it's political independence, seems to carry rather more evidential weight, rather than any made up nonesense from any party political organisation.

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Do you have to view everything in terms of political point scoring for the Tories? BOTH political parties have to start reconnecting more with the hopes and fears of ordinary people to stop the BNP gaining ground.

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The only evidence I can find seems to be written by a couple of right-wing bigoted twits on the Conservative Future's website.

I await with anticipation more concrete evidence, that andwerb will hopefully be supplying shortly.

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Unfortunately when people resort to scraping the bottom of barrel, all you find is sediment, more commonly known as s***e.

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Indeed I think my own party has a long way to go to connect with people. The only way to defeat the BNP is on the streets, keeping in touch with peoples concerns.

Garinda Why the working class dumped Labour and voted BNP | News & Politics | News & Comment | The First Post

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Tories defeating the BNP on "the streets" :rofl38::rofl38:

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I think those voters referred to are more likely to be the numpties that voted for Thatcher in 1979, and then deserted the Conservatives to vote Blair into power in '97.

Historically there are many more links to join the N.F./B.N.P. to the more traditional right-wing British political parties, than there are to the left. Only a fool would say otherwise.

Neil Clark even acknowledges the protest vote element in the European elections, who the vast majority of people think are a farcical waste of time, and easily swung by those attempting to use their vote to protest.

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'Protest vote' against Labour perhaps. The Conservatives increased their votes. Nobody is denying history, or mentioning the racist Labour policies that prevented Ugandan Asians from coming to Britain, as that is the past, we are talking about today.

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'...the Conservatives, whose share of the vote was virtually unchanged from five years ago.'

I refuse to enter into anymore debate with someone so unable to see the truth, and who it appears will stoop at nothing to smear the political parties, whom they oppose, because of their blind party allegiance.

As someone who was actively involved in fighting right-wing extremism, I know which end of the political spectrum most of their leaders and supporters are drawn from.

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What happened in the past affects the present and the future. We have to learn from the mistakes of the past today so they dont happen in the future. The party or its polices need to reflect this regardless of what view they have. While all parties remain blinkered, ignore the past or even try to avoid problems the future is bleak.

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I can quite clearly see the truth Garinda and what you quoted me saying was absolutely right.

Conservatives already had a much higher percentage of the vote than Labour from the 2004 European Elections so should be more susceptible to 'protest votes'. In reality in 2009 Labour dropped by 6.9% and the Conservative vote rose by 1%. Again this demonstrates what my last post said, the Conservatives increased their vote.

I am not 'smearing' political parties, merely pointing out where BNP support has come from. Nor am I blinded by party allegiance. I have criticised the Conservatives both nationally and locally, even on this very forum. I am a member because they most closely resemble my political views.

If you wish to stop debating with myself for holding my own views and opinions which sometimes are different to your own, then fair enough. :)

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Conservative Future website:eek::eek::eek: Rindi your to old to join now your 45, membership is limited to under 30s, sorry:D

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Apparently there's no age limit, as to who can read it.

I'll read anything, even the back of bottles of toilet cleaner.

;)

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Your keener than me Rindi, have never even looked at the Futures Website:D

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Well either you are bored or you are giving yourself further education. :D

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i married one of these **** fanatics but it wos not for luv but for the money he paid me to stay here 15 thausond quid is a lot of money an I ain't seen him since the registar ofice thank god

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Poor beggar.

I think he was done.

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Well I don't know about that Rindi, but you can rest assured we will have been ever since :mad:

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Read through his/her posts, me thinks they're taking the proverbial.

;)

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Suzzeee are you complaining or advertising?

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I'd agree with that Garinda.

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Hope this isn't too much of a wander, but yesterday leading Imams in Canada and the US issued a fatwa declaring attacks by extremists would constitute an atttack on the 10 million muslims living in North America, and stated that it is the "duty of every muslim in Canada and the US to safeguard the two countries." Calgary Imam Syed Shoharwardy stated "We are part of this society; this is my home, and anyone who attacks Canada attacks my home." If anyone is interested, there is probably more info on cbc.ca.

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well eric i just wish ours would do similar, they would gain a lot more respect i'm positive. that is one area they do not endear themselves to brits.:rolleyes:

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Quite agree cashy, if there is any condemnation of of terrorists attacks and of these radical groups who threaten to demonstrate at places like Wootton Bassett, then we may just look more favourable on them, but they are mainly silent

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Exactly, i have seen many races settle in britain in my time, fit in no problem, WHY? cos they have accepted our Laws/Customs etc so everyones happy no problem. its just the same if we move abroad, have to conform to that countrys ways/laws. its when people come here n want to change us, the resentment/problems start.:confused: n our leaders are too numb to see it.:(

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Spot on Cashy , you're talking proper sense and I know all about settling elsewhere & fitting in. sadly these clowns don't understand or don't want to understand "fitting in".

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Also causes massive resentment amongst those who HAVE come here and fitted in, believe me. However, it's not considered polite to talk about this amongst the political classes and liberal elite. :rolleyes:

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that is oh so true, but as i'm not liberal elite etc stuff em i will say it.:rolleyes:

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By the liberal elite are you talking about the Guardian and Independent readers Wyn:rolleyes:

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The Guardian and Indie readers amongst others, along with the heirarchy of both major parties.

They're totally out of touch with the vast majority of ordinary people in this country. When you get someone like Garinda, who doesn't have a racist bone in his body and is probably one of the most open-minded people I know, saying something like this...

...then you know that folk are really getting fed up.

What the idiots don't want to understand is that the situation plays right into the hands of those with a racist agenda and makes things considerably more difficult for law-abiding, hardworking immigrants who just want to get on with their lives. :(

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Oi, don't tar us all with the same brush, fascist!


;):)

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Yes I, like many, am totally fed up.

My anger isn't really aimed at the fanatics themselves. It's the wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed, bend-over backwards, lily-livered, translate every damn form into numerous languages, establishment, that are too afraid to curb their excesses.

Too afraid that they might be deemed 'racist', or 'intolerant' of any religion, other than Christianity.

People, people of all backgrounds, who are totally sick and fed up.

Fed up of this patronising guff from our so called leaders.

Guff that doesn't breed tolerance and harmony, but isolation, fear, and hate.

Nevermind that some of the people they care most about are actually breaking the law in what they 'preach', or that some are seeking an end to freedom and democracy, and an end to equality for women, and the freedom of expression of various minorities, they'd happily watch hanged in football stadiums.

Three times Jack Straw was asked on Question Time, whether the government of the last twelve years had any responsibility for the rise in support for the B.N.P.

Three times the weak little coward refused to answer.

Three more nails knocked into the coffin of the main political parties who ignore these very real worries at their peril.

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I will and do agree with Garinda but so often watch programmes like UK Border Control and wonder (no know why there are so many fighting to get into the UK?). Is it not time that things changed? I am not talking about people that want to enter the UK legally but the people who are going out of their way to get here illegally? Is it not time that our border agencies knew which colleges/universities were/are recognized in this country of ours? It seems nobody wants to take a count of who is entering our country, is it not time we asked for an honest answer?????

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The totally lax security we have is another bug bear.

Nevermind the open borders across Europe policy, with people who've never paid a penny, now able to move here and claim social benefits.

An illegal immigrant and failed asylum seeeker, kills a child in Blackburn, in a hit and run 'accident', and is still here, and now has the right to remain here?

What a total load of Jackson Pollocks!

Sometime last year I wrote about a film about the Morecambe Bay cockle pickers tragedy. The very few survivors rescued, all illegal immigrants, were held in an unsecured detention centre....and all ran off. Meaning there were no witnesses to help prosecute the people traffickers who'd brought them here.

If it wasn't so saddeningly real, it'd be almost funny.

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If a former Home Secretary like Jack Straw, can sit there and not tell the truth, when it's patently obvious to any fool that the system is majorly flawed, I think it's highly unlikely any mainstream politicans are capable of being honest.

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i to watch the border progs, also the customs etc in britain, they catch n illegal n then cannot deport em, if they just say "I Lost My Passport" so then the good ole british public pays to keep em.:rolleyes: if that aint rubbin us noses in it, i don't know what is?:mad: but then these people aint fanatics, just another reason folk are so pished off.

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Yep but it just about sums up our "security levels" in this country where security is "tight". Calais and any other borders are laughable to me(although the resources do their best). Perhaps the powers that be be they Tory,Labour, Liberal or any other party might look into why getting into the UK is preferable to staying in any of the other EU countries they have passed through on their way here??? The way the benefits system works would not be anything to do with it would it????

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Sorry Cashy but you always say "say it as you see it", well watching these programmes I see far to many trying to get entry into the UK without honest reasons, and yes I do wonder about all the colleges and universities that our passport controls don't know about. Time we all opened our eyes to the threats around us IMHO

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cancelled !!

Islamist Group Islam4UK Cancels Plans To Hold March Through Town Of Wootton Bassett | UK News | Sky News

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Not wanting to get party political, but after criticising the last three governments, the major opposition party seems just as scared of not being politically correct, and afraid of being seen as intolerant.

'Five months ago, a Tory candidate in Birmingham, Nigel Hastilow, was forced to step down by David Cameron for saying Powell was right that uncontrolled immigration would change Britain irrevocably.'
BBC NEWS | UK | Britons fear race violence - poll

So any dissent is to be quashed, even if true, and not in itself racist, yet preachers of hate are allowed to carry on saying whatever vile things they like?

No wonder so many people apparently fear for the future.

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If Nigel Hastilow was forced to step down for only that quote, then that is interesting. It's interesting because yesterday Cameron announced a new policy to limit immigration to 'the tens of thousands rather than hundreds of thousands' which is a significant drop. Combined with the point system, controlled immigration you might say.

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It too often watch that program Bernie, it points out bogus colleges, usually of some takeaway, then there are the bogus marriages, an example of which we've been told about on this very web site only very recently, I wonder what is so very popular about this country which makes asylum seekers travel through numerous other counties but only want asylum in this country:rolleyes:

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it's not me that's the fascist, shaker, its the Guardian reading fascist left where the problem lies:)

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'54% of Britons polled resenting the legal right of EU citizens to work in Britain.'

'Most (MPs) say "it's complicated" and lower their voices. Migration has crept back up the list of hot-button issues since Labour opened the door to an unexpectedly large wave of eastern Europeans who joined the EU in 2004. Just 6% thought it a major issue in 1998, 42% last year, says Ipsos/Mori.'
Michael White: Labour still running into trouble over immigration | Comment is free | The Guardian

With such obvious fears, I'm honestly suprised that no major political party sees this as a massive potential vote winner, rather than fannying about with policies that the majority of the electorate couldn't give a fig for, leaving the extremist parties to continue gathering support.

Sadly they prefer to continue blindly following their politically corect doctrine, blissful in the knowledge they aren't 'racist' or culturally intolerant.

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if that don't just sum em up, they are racist, but are to stupid to see it, the fact ya said in last paragraph, causes resentment, n bad karma to ALL immigrants in the minds of those who aint so bright, these cretins are near as bad as the "Real Racists" IMHO:(

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'Anjem Choudary receives over £15,000 in housing benefit, to live in a £320,000 house in Leytonstone, East London. The cleric is also given a £1,820 council tax allowance, £5,200 in income support and £3,120 in child benefits, totalling £25,740.' 'By contrast, a private fighting the Taliban in the Afghan badlands is paid a basic £16,680 - or £13,430 after tax.'

'At a sinister press conference held in London in March 2009, he detailed how he would deal with the Business Secretary if Britain was ruled under Sharia law.'
'Speaking to the media, he said Lord Mandelson should be re-educated about the “evils” of homosexuality - but would be executed if he confessed to a queer relationship.'
Phobic hate cleric gets £25,000 in benefits - PinkPaper

'Home Secretary Alan Johnson is thought to be considering using the 2000 Terrorism Act to ban Islam4UK.'
Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News :: Evil preacher Choudary: We won't go away

You keep on 'considering' Mr. Johnson, whilst the B.N.P. saves money on it's recruitment budget, because you're doing the job for them, for free.

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As Enoch Powell said, in whatever year it was. Close the floodgates of immigration. he has been proved right.

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Right this is post 153 of this thread n Bernard Dawson apart NOT 1 of our political councillors that are members have made ANY comment at all about this real problem.:( so as they have not the backbone IMHO, what chance is there of National MPs etc doing anything? NONE AT ALL in my book.:( so forget it fanatics are here to stay!:(

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There's always a rent-a-quote politican available to denounce right-wing political extremism, but you're right, there's a deathly silence when it comes to hatred akin to Nazism, when it's issued by a religious 'preacher', for fear of causing cultural offence.

Weak, weak, weak.

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My twenty-two year old grandfather was killed fighting Nazism, and ensuring we continued to live in a democracy.

Sixty odd years later you can be assured his grandson doesn't plan on swinging by the neck from some gallows.

Which isn't such a far-fetched concept, while we have politicans who allow religious leaders to call for the execution of government ministers, and are allowed to remain at liberty to continue their tirade of hate, aided (and funded) by the silence of the mainstream politicans.

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No comment from Graham Jones, Claytonender etc? Funny...they're usually so voluble!! ;)

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Just seen the lot who were at a home coming parade for soldiers, calling them murders and such.

Above their heads they held a sign:
'Islam will take over the world. Freedom can go to hell'

The same freedom they used to protest in the first place. Why don't we send them to Saudi Arabia and see if they still think freedom should go to hell.

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It is really ripping me so much when these so called p*****ks keep claiming to be british (and yes the majority are born here) They accept with open arms all our country has to give them

In the next breath they are also claiming that they do not want the british soldiers in (their words) THEIR COUNTRY.

If they want to protect THEIR COUNTRY then sod off over there and put your money where your mouth is.

STOP claiming to be British
Stop scrounging of our country and go back and fight for what you believe in over in the country you support.

It really makes my blood boil.

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I see the march planned to go through Wootton Bassett has been banned by the Home Secretary,which is very good news.

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yeh but it should go much deeper mate, like doing summat about these people, its off now until they plan another propaganda coup.:(

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Apparently Cashy, the group behind the march are also to be banned. Anyone being member of the group could be prosecuted.

According to the report, there's Legislation going through Parliament today to put that into effort. I think I've read it right.

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Bernard if they took the bull really by the horns n sorted this fanatic problem out once n fer all n properly, they could ferget about the tories n other parties, cos IMHO they would walk the next election, but somehow i doubt very much if they will.

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"Could be prosecuted" if it were people like me and you Bernard calling muslims and calling them murderers and rapists, WE WOULD BE PROSECUTED. What irks me is that watching those who were up in court yesterday in Luton were ranting and raving saying the british had invaded Their lands, if that's how they feel then they can go back to their lands, but would imagine the pull of Social Security will persuade them from going:(

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It may well be, Will be Prosecuted and not Could be Prosecuted. I've just read the report.

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Enough is Enough fer most of the Public, doubt wether ANY politician has the balls to actually sort this problem out.:(

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Sadly I think you'll find they're here to stay. Due to weak & spineless politicians from all parties(they might lose some votes), Joe public can't because he'll get prosecuted for racist behaviour. Oh and why go back to a sh*th*le in the Desert/Third world slum with nothing when you can live like a King for free in UK, and you don't even have to make an effort as Idiots are falling over themselves to help these poor people out !! makes you despair so it does and want to leave the Country, guess that's why I stayed in Germany.

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How long has this been going on ?? more than long enough to get this sorted by whoever has been in power. I guess you've answered yourself Cashy.

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So why are WE still paying this piece of scum over £25k to preach his poison? Why is he living in a house worth over £300k funded by US?

Could those who support the government give us some answers please?

Ssshhhh.... :rolleyes:

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'A Muslim fanatic has caused outrage in Germany by winning a court battle to name his son Jihad – leaving the state to pay the costs of his legal challenge.
Reda Seyam (4), a German-Egyptian, is considered one of the most dangerous activists on the Islamist scene.
He is a fanatic who despises Western culture, democracy and human rights.
But he certainly knows his own rights – he went before a Berlin court in order to call his son Jihad, the Arabic name for Holy War, and won.'

Muslim fanatic can call son Jihad - Berlin court rules Reda Seyam baby name scandal - News - Bild.de

Fanaticism knows no political boundaries, especially European ones.

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ya kept that under yer hat Dave?:D

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Actually shows just what nut jobs these clowns are, name your son after a war, can you imagine naming your son Market Garden after the D Day landings, the men in white coats would be a knocking on your door:rolleyes:

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Didn't catch that one in the papers !!, but so long as he's only getting away with calling his Kid something stupid let him get on with it, the kid will probably grow up hating his old fella for it anyway, how do you think that's going to sit in a German school as he gets older ???

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Apparently this all happened in September last year, just read the Blurb, but a few days later the Germans are pressing charges against him and his scummy mates for terrorism.

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Oh and by the way Garinda, if you're going to highlight a story give the people all the facts don't just cherry pick mate, it gives the wrong impression.

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its obvious his child is going to be raised on hatred so not only should the childs name be changed but also taken into care and at least given a chance of been brought up with some morals


i wonder how i would get on in court if i changed my sons name to screwallah ?

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Good call Accyman, but I think you may get a slap on the wristies in UK for being a rather naughty boy & awfully un PC. :cool:

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You mentioned you were in Germany, hinting that somehow there wasn't the same problem with fanatics there, which there is.

As pointed out in the link, fanaticism knows no borders.

I wasn't 'cherry picking' anything, just giving one example that ably illustrates that point.

Anyone needing any more examples only need to Google 'Muslim fanatic terrorist Germany', which will show this problem is an international one.

By the way, since you're new, trying to tell me what, and what not to do, always ends in (other's) tears.

;)

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What facts weren't given?

Care to share them?

The link to the whole story in the German paper was included, for all to see.

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By the way, if you read the forum rules, it is against those rules to use alpha/numeric characters or asterisks, to get around the bad language/swearing ban, as this is a family site.

Secondly this is a thread about fanaticism, and since what you posted doesn't take into account that the vast majority of fanatics are born in the countries they live in, what you said is pointless.

Thirdly, if you think Germany is some harmonious Shangri-La, you're mistaken. I was working in Berlin, the largest Turkish Muslim city outside of Turkey, in the early eighties, and there was much more tension there, than there had been were I'd been living whilst studying, a post riot Toxteth.

Fanaticism, and intolerance, travels freely across man-made political borders.

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Yep.. the posts about this country being a "soft touch" are just as likley to be found on forums in France, Germany or any other European country..and as far as these nut jobs recieving benifits, the systems are basically the same thoughout the EU.

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Not all of em mate, in Spain if ya aint paid in, ya don't get owt.:)

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Just had a look Cashy

If you have been employed in Spain for 6 months and you lose your job, you will generally be entitled to Spanish unemployment benefit. If you are employed or self-employed, you will also be entitled to sick pay, maternity pay and, when you retire, a pension. All benefits are paid at variable rates depending on the level of your contributions. If you have been paying minimum social security contributions the amount you will receive in benefits is currently around 750 EUR per month.

750 euro.. that's a fair bit more than unemployment benefit in the UK.
source;Social Security in Spain

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mancie yer benifit yon only continues fer as long as yer credits last, plus ya have to have spanish citizenship, i know i had.:)

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:D yep since you are new.. the boss will tell you the in n outs.. were to put asterix n stuff what you should do and what to say, but like most bosses he is a divvy.. the Mods are here to decide what goes on.. so don't take it to heart.

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Not disputing the link being there completely, but you only mentioned the headline and not what happened to them in the end, yes they won their case, but a couple of days later The Germans were investigating them for "hate preaching/ encouraging violence-terrorism. That's what I meant by Cherry picking Garinda. :rolleyes:

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No not quite right, Germany has lots of problems, some refer to Neo-Nazis and their hatred of things non German, then there's the other side of the coin the Muslim extremists who hate all things Western, then there's all the other petty resentments that run through a Society.

Germany certainly isn't a "Shangri-la" by a long stroke, but as a country that has had to rise from the Ashes of destruction twice, they appear to be better able to manage their internal problems somewhat better than the UK at present.

Yes I am new, and as such may make comments that you or others may find a little bit not to your liking, no malice intended but as "grown-ups" we should be able to give and take comments in a manner befitting, don't you think ?? :rolleyes:

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yeah they really shoudlnt have started fights they couldnt finish lol :D

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Yes I am aware there are rules & regulations on the site and I do believe I have a fair idea how to follow such things as I spent several years in her Majesty's Armed Forces, so that people such as yourself, me and others could enjoy democracy & free speech (which right I am exercising now) on this forum. Should I make some social or offensive remark I'm sure the regulators would inform me forthwith, I would be chastised and said post deleted. As that doesn't appear to have happened I can only assume my comments may have been close but not deemed incorrect.

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Mancie, my good fellow thank you for your encouragement, and kind words. I will most certainly not take things, to heart. I do enjoy the points of view of many people, and see how everyone views things differently, that is the whole purpose of the forum is it not ? to have some light hearted banter and to see the other fella's view of things. :)

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I think they may have learnt their lesson now. :rolleyes:

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yeah instead of ruling us through war they did it by paperwork :(

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Ah you refer to "Berlin Bumf" let us not forget their oppoes, the French in all this though, another country that has raised itself somewhat. :)

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'Ramzi Binalshibh, Said Bahaji and Mounir Motassadeq, three members of what would become known as the Hamburg cell, the core group that carried out the attacks on New York and the Pentagon.'

'Hamburg -- and Germany as a whole -- was an almost risk-free environment for Islamic radicals. German officials, mindful of the country's Nazi past, say now that they were reluctant to target mosques and risk allegations of racism or religious persecution. Such reservations meant that while authorities were aware of the calls to arms that fired up the members of the Hamburg cell, they saw no cause to interven.'
Hamburg's Cauldron of Terror (washingtonpost.com)

'BERLIN -- Islamist extremists have begun to use Turkish- and German-language Web sites in an effort to win support and recruits among Germany's Turkish minority, adding to concerns over the threat from homegrown terrorism in Europe.'

'Islamist Web sites have flourished in Germany since 2001, but in the past much of the content was news recycled from more professional media, while extremist content was in Arabic. That changed late last year, however. In November, Sehadetvakti.com appeared, posting Turkish and sometimes German translations of statements by Muslim extremist organizations, including al Qaeda in Iraq, within hours of their release.'
Web Sites for Germany's Turks Fuel Fear of Homegrown Terror - WSJ.com
German Population Plunge “Irreversible,” Federal Stats Office Admits

'There are roughly 700 people in Germany who the interior ministry believes may be involved in extremist Islam circles, the ministry's deputy head said. Dozens of them are under intense surveillance.'
Hundreds of Potential Terrorists Live in Germany, Official Says | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 01.11.2008

Germany has one of the largest populations of Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, with a Muslim community of over 3 million. That trend is expected to continue, leading some demographic trend-watchers to warn that the country is well on the way to becoming a Muslim state by 2050, Deutsche Welle reported.
German Population Plunge “Irreversible,” Federal Stats Office Admits

Er...yeah, ok, good luck.

As stated earlier, fanaticism knows no geographic boundaries.

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As pointed out earlier, the majority of fanatics are born and raised in the countries in which they operate, and unless you happen to be in the group of Britains who make up less than one percent of the population, who are descended from an aristocratic background, you only have to go back a few generations to find the majority of inhabitants of this country living in slums.

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I gave a link to the story of a German fanatic who was awarded cost and legal fees, to be paid by the German tax payer, after wining a case brought against the sate.

That is fact.

That he was investigated afterwards for terrorism, makes the decision even more ludicrous.

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I'm not disputing the facts, but if I trawl through the UK News sites I would find similar extracts, the Hamburg cell had links with other european countries, 7/11 an event carried out by Radical British Muslims, and aren't the British government also responding in the same way so as to not appear racist ?? you'll find it wherever. The Point I made was it isn't as blatant as in the UK. I turn the News on in Germany and the outcry about some Muslim group or other in Germany isn't there.

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Again stating the obvious Britain has become the poor relation of Europe, how many families live on the bread line, have inadequate income, and are struggling through on a daily basis, areas of the UK have become similar to these third world countries, and the vast number of people are from ethnically different backgrounds.

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Abu Hamsa ??

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The number of Germans who have converted to Islam has increased fourfold within one year -- despite the negative perception of Islam among the general public.
Muslim Converts in Germany: Angst-Ridden Germans Look for Answers -- And Find Them in the Koran - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Investigators have discovered a “Jihadi village” of white German al-Qaeda insurgents, including Muslim converts, in Pakistan’s tribal areas close to the Afghan border.
"Jihadi Village�: White German Muslim Town Found In Pakistan - Atlas Shrugs

Perhaps we just have a better news service in the UK.

;)

Fanaticism knows no political boundaries.

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The person named in the link I gave, who was awarded fees and cost against the German state, was Reda Seyam.

He was subsequently monitored by German intelligence, after it was discovered as well as calling his son Jihad, he himself fought as a Jihadist in Bosnia.