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The same could be said of the UK, prisoners taken at various engagements with the NATO forces, imprisoned in Guantanamo were claiming British citizenship and the home office should bail them out, then the radio intercepts of Taliban fighters having "Midland & Yorkshire accents" :rolleyes:

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Strange that in your words, Britain is now similar a third world nation, just how many people try to enter the country, legally, or illegally.

I can only presume you haven't travelled very far, or wear blinkers that hinder your view of reality.

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I've said nothing that contradicts that.

All I was commenting on was your assumption that you were happy to have left the UK, and Germany was somehow immune from fanaticism, which it clearly isn't.

As the German demographic statisticans predict you'll be a Muslim country in forty years, I wish you all the best.

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Areas of Britain, come on now :rolleyes: you can't tell me you've not seen some of these areas I'm talking about ?

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I left the UK "to serve my Country", and at no point did I say Germany was immune to fanaticism, but that there is not an overwhelming prevalence displayed on the News bulletins.

Not just Germany but pretty much all of Europe as the birthrate in Muslim families is higher than that of European families, and U.K. won't be free from this phenomenon either. This is quite clear to see should you walk down some of our Major towns & Cities roads today, especially in Areas of Yorkshire, London & Leicestershire.

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The title of this thread is "Fanatics", we may have wandered somewhat in this little segment, but I don't want to see how many News paper & magazine articles you can find & post up here, I want your View, the opinion of Garinda the person, sway me, us with "Your opinion" :rolleyes:

PS back to an earlier point I've travelled plenty and seen quite a lot.

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I haven't swayed from the thread's subject.

Fanaticism isn't confined by geographic boundaries, the problem is international, and I've supplied ample evidence to support that fact.

If you've travelled, and think the Britain of today, with it's generous benefit culture, NHS, and sophisticated infrastructure, is akin to a 'third world country', I must arrive at the conclusion that you aren't very observant, or that you haven't travelled much in eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, or central and southern America.

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Garinda, Garinda, you're doing it again mate, your taking thinks literally to devalue my opinions. The thread was about "Muslims 4 UK" intending to protest at Wootton Basset, as I'm sure you're aware this is the focus point of the true tragic cost of the situation in Afghanistan to the British people, seen on an almost daily basis. Now any right minded Britain (irrelevant of their creed or colour) should be offended & irate at this planned affront.

But we've ended up at Worldwide Fanaticism. That is also an undeniable truth, it can be found all over the Globe, but isn't the point of this thread despite the wealth of evidence you've provided to back up your entries. We are trying to establish peoples views on the planned (but now cancelled) protest that was to be carried out by Muslim "Fanatics".

Once more my friend you are mistaken, :rolleyes: I am observant enough to see that you are re-phrasing my comments to suit your discourse on the topic. At no time have I stated that Britain is a third World Country which you infer here, the actual statement was "There are areas that are like a third World Country".( a small aside here : sophisticated infrastructure ?? which falls apart with a bit of snow ??)

As to travel I've seen parts of Eastern Europe, just after the "Iron Curtain" came down, and these were lands in the 20th century that still resembled something out of the 19th Century. I've been back since and as stated in comparison with UK there are Towns & Cities full of Opulence & Squalor both sides of the coin within a couple of streets of each other. As to the Middle East, the Home of the Muslim faith, how does Saudi, Iraq & Kuwait compare, again we have this gaping divide between haves' & have nots' this is also reflected in their standard of life & living.

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Care to list those areas of gross poverty, the ones ineligible to benefit from a generous welfare state, a National Health Service, and a sophisticated infrastructure?

By the way, this thread is simply titled 'fanatics', fanatics who appear throughout the world, and aren't confined to any one nation.

fa·nat·ic (fhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif-nhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.gifthttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifk)n. A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.

A Stanley supporter could argue their case here, or one of the party faithfull could push their politics, without veering off thread, or breaking forum rules.

;)

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Oh, and not forgetting a free education, that most in the real third world would love to have.

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Get him andwerb. The ill-educated oik can't even spell.:D:D

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That would be "Overlord" not "Market Garden" .... damn it all, I love pedantry;):D

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And any operation called "Market Garden" was bound to be a disaster!

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I spotted it elsewhere too. ;) Didn't want to undermine the content of his argument though, or lack of it. :D

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To list them would be difficult, I get home once a year see friends and family, I talk with them and their friends, these are the people on the ground, real people who are experiencing the hardships and difficulties. Yes we have these assets in UK, but does everyone get a fair crack at them ?? you're the one for the headlines & articles, guarantee you'd find them if you look, but you won't because that would go against you. It would be wrong for me to say one town,city,district or area, as I am not there to confirm this, but before you decry heresy, why should the people lie to me ?

Again we run up against your tendency towards verbatim acceptance of the written word, an expression is used & you allow no variation to its' context in the discussion.

Even in "third World Countries" there is an availability of the specifics you mentioned,although rudimentary & rustic these facilities exist. show me a Country that has no roads, no healthcare( it may be a man with a stick & some beads who mutters away but for the people he is their healthcare). The Aboriginal culture managed well enough without Schools they managed to educate their youngsters, and they're still here today.

"Fanatic" some may consider the application of this epithet to you and your seeming desire to have things seen as you see them to be. Once more there appears to be no ground that you will not let stand as a fair assumption & allow it some credence, it must be your view or there is no alternative or compromise.

And I think you made a bad call on knocking the Stanley Faithful mate :)

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Blame the new secretary, whom I dictate to, because the Parkinson's now affects both hands, making it harder still to type myself.

You just can't get the staff these days, unless you hire someone from the third world.

;)

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By the way, my secretary's just pointed out you've incorrectly typed andrewb's name.

Go get him andwerb (sic).

:D

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I'm know as andwer to many friends. :D

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On the contrary, I'd have thought if they existed, these areas of the UK that were akin to the third world, in that they had no access to the welfare and benefits system, the NHS, and free education etc, would be a perfectly easy thing to do.

:rolleyes:

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Well blow me.

Friends, plural.

Go on, besides Jaysay, who's the other one?

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Talking of fanatics, has anyone taken a look at the BNP website? A sizeable proportion of the characters posting messages of support seem to have trouble using their mother tongue. What chance do the non-indigenous inhabitants of our country have of becoming assimilated into our culture/society if these are an example of the people wishing to form a government?:D:D

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Perhaps those 'white-is-right' knuckle heads, who post on the BNP forum, come from the parts of the country that are akin to the third world, and sadly had no access to the education system.

:rolleyes::D

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You're being literal again. Where is it in the third world that they have no access, as stated there is always some form of amenity it may not be on their doorstep but something is available, same as in UK it may not be on your doorstep but something is in place.

as long as you insist on being literal, we won't get any further on with this, I must admit to frustration with this and your dogged obsession with the UK/3rd World comparison, perhaps it may have been the wrong euphemism to use, is that what you're wanting, for me to say I'm wrong ? If it makes you happy "I was wrong" there do we feel better now ? I'm not to proud or stubborn to say it, now maybe you can move on & talk about what this link is about !! the peoples feelings towards Muslim fanatics & their attitude towards their host nation.

or as I've just seen the new entries any other kind of Fanatic

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well if we do have an awards ceromony this year im nominating this as best play on a disability and guilt trip award for 2010 lol :D:D

on the plus side the worse teh condition teh better the hand j... drifting into 18s section stuff here lol

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That, or they chose not to go and just be bloody minded !! :D is this striking any chords anywhere ?

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Travelling far n wide these fanatics.


BBC News - Chip fat fuel driver Andy Pag in India terror arrest

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No access to clean water, social welfare benefits that mean food is on the table, free education, free medical care?

Are you serious?

Either you've never been to an actual third world country, or you go around with your eyes closed.

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What am I supposed to do draw you a map? "Medicine sans frontiers" "UWHO" "WHO" "Unicef" and if these aren't good enough for you you can always look at this www.humanitarian-aid.org these organisations go out and assist in these countries, from these the relevant people get access to clean water, food, education & med care.

The one who has his eyes closed sadly appears to be you because if it isn't within the realms of planet Garinda & his views it can't be right. that's the impression I'm getting here ! you're the kid who always asks why into infinitum ad nausea.

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No, you don't have to draw a map.

You said areas of the United Kingdom 'are similar to third world countries'.

I asked you to list these areas. Areas which have no access to free medical care, clean water, an adequate food supply, a generous social benefits system, and free education.

It shouldn't be hard for you, if it's true.

So forget the uncalled for map, please supply a list of area in the U.K. that are living in the third world.

I've been to help in many third world countries, and I look forward to reading the list, because having travelled to most places in this country also, hopefully I'll be able to offer a comparisson.

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You know what, I really can't be bothered. I've had enough. You really are hard work, and you will be forever I think, go crack on and wind somebody else up :rolleyes: with your literal attitude.

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Well I'm yet to meet any Ultra, or other fan on the terraces, club house, or neighbouring drinking holes, who wouldn't be proud to call themselves someone who was 'a person whose enthusiasm or zeal for something is extreme or beyond normal limits', the very dictionary definition of fanatical.

(It's actually where the word fan comes from.)

;)

By the way, a couple of sycophantic messages, sent to me on this forum, doesn't make us mates. I'm quite picky.

;)

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How disappointing!

No list?

Nevermind, thanks for sort of trying.

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I think we'll cross paths again :rolleyes:

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I'll help you out Dave the German.. Fern Gore ain't got a chippy so it could be classed as 3rd world.. or as the locals call it.."terd world"

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That's what normally happens.

The vanquished get a taste for being beaten, and demand more.

It's quite odd really, and really verges on the masochistic.

I should really charge, I'd make a fortune.

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No but that's counter balanced by having clean drinking water...from the Clough.

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...and a missionary lady visiting once a month, teaching reading and writing.

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Beaten isn't a term I'd use, it's more of a withdrawal to regroup, and as to what you do in your spare time I don't really think I want to know :)

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Once again Mancie, thank you for your encouragement to this overseas Scouser :)

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...and no one receives any money up there, no child support, welfare payements, nothing.

They eat what they can grow on the poor soil, and scavage the fields when there's no work, and eat begged scraps in the winter from passing cars.

This ludicrous post is nothing to do with Fern Gore, or anywhere else in the country, just an illustration that the idea that areas of Britiain are similar to the real life and death poverty found in the third world, is beyond the idiotic.

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A German Scouser?.. oh dear...things ain't gonna work out to well here.

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My turn.

Two words.

First word sounds like hussy, and is what people affectionately call a cat.

That's it!

Second word, sounds like tripped, and it can be done by a jockey to his horse

You got it!

Well done you.

You aren't completely daft.

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Don't be prejudiced.

We all thought you'd made a friend.

Two outcasts together.

Ying and yang.

Mork and Mindy.

Crystal Tips and Alistair.

Rene and Renate.

Give peace a chance.

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You've got to grin thanks :) :)

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Ain't never had no fwends or anyfing like that stuff .

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You're vunerable then.

Easy prey.

You could be targeted, and could so easily end up a cult.

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There I go again!

Who's going to point out my obvious typing error?

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And in the pub, well not quite, it says bitter on the pump:D

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Hell if we had to point out spelling mistakes on here there'd be a lot of pointing and not much posting:D

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English aint my strong point and as for spelling dont go there.

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from what I've heard you have always been a cult..a living leg end and a cult at the same time..respect :rolleyes:

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i will you cunny funt :D