Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 777623)

My personal point of view, once you've crossed the threshold of my premises without my consent and with the intent of doing something illegal, your rights have gone out the window, and as for reasonable force I'll decide what's reasonable in protecting my family. The police and courts can go screw themselves I'll take my chances with a sensible Judge and the Public outcry, saying they deserved it !

Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 777638)

Speaking from personal experience, you can defend yourself in your own home, you can strike first if you feel that you are about to be assaulted too.

And you can pick something up and use it.. although using a knife may be going too far.

Much better to have something like a baseball bat handy. :D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 777724)

That's an oxymoron Dave sensible and Judge in the same sentence:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 777346)

it is no wonder that feral youths, thugs and criminals laugh at the law......it seems to d far more to protect their rights than the rights of law abiding citizens........and like Gayle, I believe that if you indulge in unlawful behaviour/activities, then you forfeit any rights you might otherwise have had.

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 777699)

this story dosnt reflect well on teh head of scotland yard when he went on national tv on the trevor mcdonald show and said it is perectly acceptable to fend off an intruder and even go as far as causing an intruder to die

iv mentioned this before where they ran various made up senarios where a home owner clubbed an intruder from behind ,stabbed and intruder from behind and a couple of other examples i cant recall where each time the intruder was killed or severely hurt and the head of scotland yard said there was no problem with any of the examples and that the home owner would at the most be interviewed down teh station and released after making a statment

they did run examples where the home owner chased down the intruder and killed him in the street and this was deemed unacceptable as there was no fear for life or well being any more

so basically in my opinion laws need to be set out in black and white where as if an intruder is in your home the home owner can do what the hell they like to rid themselves of the intruder

we have laws that are cut black and white like when there is an accident in a car the car infront is not to blame and teh person behind is automaticly at fault so why cant laws be set in black and white for people to protect their homes and themsleves and family members

burgulars can enter your home armed to teh teeth but as soon as you defend yourself your in trouble

its a disgrace to say the least and if america can get this right it sure dosnt say much for us when we cant

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 777780)

Good points ... but I think the bottom line is, if there is an armed intruder in your home, or an intruder you believe might be armed, do what you have to do and worry about the law later .... and as you reach for Mr. Winchester, remember: it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six:mosher:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 777788)

So knocking would be a good idea at yours then !!! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 777793)

Sure ... and bring a six pack, and a treat for the Rottie who takes care of business while I'm out.;):D

But, it's not as if we live in fear of criminals breaking into our homes here. Kingston is a peaceful little city with excellent police service from the Kingston Police and the OPP .... there is also a detachment of Mounties here. However, if, in the event of someone breaking into my home, I choose to defend myself and my property, I would not feel bound to check the law before acting in what I consider to be my best interests. Which does not, of course, extend to chasing someone down the street jamming magnums into my twelve gauge so that I can blow his legs out from under him. You never know, I might miss (unlikely) and hit an innocent squirrel.;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 777725)

Ya with 6 inch nails sticking out of the thick end:D

Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 777898)

however if you happen to have baseball bat AND ball handy, they have a completely innocent use and you are less likely to. ;)

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 777767)

See your point Jaysay, how about - a right thinking judge with some nads who'll stand up for the decent folk.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 777923)

Sorry Dave that species don't exist:(