Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 793433)

Nothing against local candidates wanting to represent their own area but can anyone name an ex-Prime Minister or leader of the Opposition who represented a constituancy where he was born or spent a greater part of his life ,I'm thinking most were 'parachuted' in from outside.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 780977)

I know what you mean, but if all local Conservative associations thought so parochially, John Major, Margaret Thatcher, or Winston Churchill would never had a seat, having no ties to the constituencies they represented in Huntingdon, Finchley, and Oldham/Northwest Manchester/Dundee/Epping/Woodford, respectively.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 793448)

Gordon Brown is MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.

Kirkcaldy is the town where he grew up and he went to school at Kirkcaldy West Primary School and then to Kirkcaldy High School.

So you can't get any more local than that.

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 793473)

maybe an oversight, but you forgot to mention that he only became a Homey (home town boy) because of parlimentary boundary changes in 2005, prior to 2005 ;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793272)

When Ken Hargreaves lost to Greg Pope in 1992 he had 21,082 votes/ 36% of the vote.

When Cllr. Britcliffe first lost in 1997, he polled 15,383, and the percentage of the votes cast fell to 23%.

Perhaps the clues were already there.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 793525)

Not really Rindi, if you care to remember the Tory vote collapsed in 1997, so not real comparison

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793529)

But as can be seen from previous elections Hyndburn doesn't necessarily follow national trends.

1979 country went blue, Hyndburn stayed red.

1992 Greg Pope won, country remained Tory.

The candidate does seem important to the residents of Hyndburn.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793529)

But as can be seen from previous elections Hyndburn doesn't necessarily follow national trends.

1979 country went blue, Hyndburn stayed red.

1992 Greg Pope won, country remained Tory.

The candidate does seem important to the residents of Hyndburn.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 793534)

Well it has been since Labour realised it was no use bringing a left wing militant in from Liverpool:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793536)

'Tis true.

A local candidate does seem to have an advantage in the eyes of Hyndburn residents.

Which is probably why CCO weren't too keen on a twice rejected local candidate standing yet again, and which has resulted in all they infighting we're sadly seeing between local and national Conservatives.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 793540)

Nothing of the sort Rindi believe me, twas a clash of personalities thats all, which makes this farce even more annoying

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793541)

Oh dear, the problems the Conservatives are having seem even more severe than was at first apparent to us.

The best chance they've had for years and all this fighting might have a negative effect on their chances.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793545)

I was canvassed yesterday, by the way, by one of the already selected candidates.

Whoever is the successful Conservative candidate better get a pair of roller skates, if they are going to knock on every door in the constituency before the election, and try and secure our votes.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 793561)

Virginia Water

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793564)

Where's she from?:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 793562)

No candidate knocks on every door Rindi it is totally impossible, that's where local knowledge comes in, and essential that the candidate is local

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 793615)

I don't know, Graham is having a pretty good crack at it and has been for some time now.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793564)

Where's she from?

:D

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 793799)

Also conservative hq says all 6 members of the shortlist have strong local links.

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 793799)

headline news on radio lancs this morning ... 3 executive committee members have resigned due to the shortlist being imposed on them. Also conservative hq says all 6 members of the shortlist have strong local links.

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 793799)

headline news on radio lancs this morning ... 3 executive committee members have resigned due to the shortlist being imposed on them. Also conservative hq says all 6 members of the shortlist have strong local links.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793843)

I have offered to pop along and interview them on that night, just incase they've all resigned by then.

I'm still waiting to see if my offer's taken up.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 793861)

Its on a Saturday afternoon:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793864)

I predict the interviews going on long into the night.

;)

:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 793873)

Na no doubt CCO wll have that sawn up too;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 793876)

Should be fairly easy, there being only one local candidate.

Janet Storey should, in theory, have it in the bag, being a popular local lass.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 793957)

How can the Tories complain about not having a local candidate if they don't pick Janet?

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 794030)

By the way they are behaving by resigning and such like, you have to wonder if they want to win ;)

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 794053)

The meeting is in the Con club so I am sure they will be leg less :D

Your scenario is very interesting, do you think they could be playing that game :rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 794100)

You mean the 'Oswaldtwistle Social Club'.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 794119)

So where will the non Ossy Councillors go for the meeting :rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 793799)

headline news on radio lancs this morning ... 3 executive committee members have resigned due to the shortlist being imposed on them. Also conservative hq says all 6 members of the shortlist have strong local links.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 793957)

How can the Tories complain about not having a local candidate if they don't pick Janet?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795106)

Are any of the six Conservatives, on the imposed candidate list in Hyndburn, flying under the rainbow banner of the new Tory-Lite party?

After Tory leader reveals his list of ethnic candidates, Cameron's Rainbow 1st Eleven | Mail Online

What a load of patronising, and Politically Correct claptrap.

Since we already have laws in place to protect everyones right's, and ensure equal access into public life, many brought in by this government, after years of inequality, there is no good reason to have candidate lists weighted in favour of gender, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

The best candidate should always be selected for the job, regardless of anything as trivial as the gender of the person they might be sexually attracted to, or if they stand up, or sit down to pee.

This quasi social engineering is totally unnecessary, and is both divisive and patronising, and will win no favour from the general public, or the so called minority groups they pretend to be helping.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795166)

Don't give a fly myself:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795169)

Since you oppose the candidates on the imposed list from CCO, are you planning on voting in the forthcoming General Election?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795177)

I plan to use my vote:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795184)

Care to say how?

You do know I'm not standing, don't you?

:D

I'm not asking to know the name of the person/party you're voting for, it's just that I'm worried. I know lots of people who are planning not to vote as a protest, or are going to vote for someone not from the main political parties, which could see even greater representation for extremist parties, or chancers like the odious Kevin Logan creeping in by stealth.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795190)

Rest assured I won't be voting for the "Ranting Rev" as I treat him with the same contempt as yourself and for the same reasons. Your not stand:confused: well Labour already have a candidate:rolleyes: I can't see a fringe party getting anywhere near winning in Hyndburn, I think the main parties will still be one, two and three

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795196)

I hope so.

As stated, I know many supporters of the main political parties who refuse to vote, mainly because they're disillusioned, or still angry because of the expenses scandal.

I think apathy is going to be the biggest hurdle for any candidate, when trying to secure votes.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795200)

With a 60% poll one of the main parties will be returned in Hyndburn can't see it being lower than that Rindi, come what may

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795206)

More than likey.

Also more than likely is that support for a far-right candidate will be greatly increased.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795210)

Not by me it won't

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795434)

'And all Tories have threatened to go Independent leading to a break down between CCHQ/Region Ass and local Conservatives.
There is no effective or functioning Party at grassroots, no budget I am told they are broke (Con club sold off last year to pay debts) and several high profile Councillors are in danger of losing their seats.'
ukpollingreport.co.uk » Hyndburn

:eek:

I did ask, after the candidate list was haughtily imposed on the local Conservative party, if they'd considered putting forward a break-away Independent Conservative candidate, so they could decide for themselves, who'd they prefer to represent them in the General Election.

The idea was pooh-poohed, as a last attempt was made to feign a show of Conservative party unity.

However, a friendly little tit tapped on my ever open window at Rindy Towers, and whispered the rumour that just such a plan was going to be put in place, which would have allowed the local Conservative party's preferred candidate to stand.

Unhappily it appears they missed the deadline for registering, and plans for a 'third time lucky' campaign have been thwarted.

This story has more twists and turns than a well-thumbed Jeffrey Archer, and they've not even had the interviews yet, to decide on whose name will appear on our ballot papers come May.

Roll on Saturday.

:eek:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795481)

Cannot put an independent Conservative candidate forward it a a sick bird, or illegal

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 795567)

No deadline has been missed. If somebody wanted to run as an independent Conservative, they could. After all the selection for the Conservative candidate has not taken place yet, so they couldn't possibly had filled in the forms for the general election. The independent couldn't state his or her leanings on the ballot paper however. As Jaysay points out, it's illegal.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 795567)

No deadline has been missed. If somebody wanted to run as an independent Conservative, they could. After all the selection for the Conservative candidate has not taken place yet, so they couldn't possibly had filled in the forms for the general election. The independent couldn't state his or her leanings on the ballot paper however. As Jaysay points out, it's illegal.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 795730)

Well the deadline has not yet passed, as the election hasn't even been called. If your little bird is correct, then whoever the person they speak of is, will still be able to stand independently.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795614)

That's not what the most reliable little bird told me.

;)

Everything possible was done, so a certain person would have been able to stand, but procedural deadlines were missed, to facilitate this happening.

As an organisation it's all looking a bit shoddy.

First there's all the bitter in-fighting regarding the Conservative candaidate list, and now this. When time frames couldn't be adhered to, which would have meant the local's apparent favourite would have stood in the General Election...if only there'd been better planning.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795764)

Sorry Rindi I'm with Andrew on this one, if your standing as an independent, so long as your nomination papers are registered with the returning officer, by the deadline everything's in order

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795773)

You never said anything about a new party you said an independent candidate Rinds, I Could stand as an independent but even so could not use the word Conservative on my nomination forms, its illegal, and I'm not sure it would be illegal to even try and form a new party with the word Conservative in it. When Blair took over the Labour leadership the word New was placed in front of Labour, which I'm sure would have had to been sanction by their national executive, if I'm wrong I'm sure Bernard, Joan or Graham will put the record straight

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795779)

If you really are in the dark, you're going to have to trust me on this one.

;)

There was a cabal, at which plans were hatched for a certain someone to stand in the General Election, and not as the offical Conservative candidate.

I can't remember all the exact details, as I was laughing so much at the time, but I do remember mention of a deadline of March the 5th being missed, which thwarted the secret plans.

Like I said, I ain't fussy about who I befriend, and would never discount someone because of their political leanings.

Perhaps it's something to do with being Master Bun, the baker's son, and being brought to want to have your fingers in as many pies as possible.

:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795782)

It's a good job it's not the nineteen forties.

Trust no one.

I don't.

:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795786)

If that certain some one wanted to sand as independent at the General election there is nothing on earth to stop him, that's all I'm saying. As for being in the dark, I've been there for 9 years since I stepped down from all activities after the 2001 GE, now I just pick up odds and sods when I see people, like Ken Hargreaves and Brian Walmsley, apart from that I've much more serious things to deal with, to which politics come a very poor second

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795787)

I believe the mole is being isolated as I write:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795792)

I do hope there is someone there on Saturday, to interview the candidates that are on the list that was imposed on the local Conservative party.

As stated earlier, I'd be more than willing to pop along and do it, if you can't muster enough people.

In the interest of democracy, it would be nice to see the party put up at least a bit of a fight.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795796)

Well I had a visit from a former MP yesterday and you don't need to other going, even so you wouldn't get in unless unknown to me your a closet card carrying member of the Tory Party with over 3 months membership behind you:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795798)

Phew.

At least that means there'll be at least someone there.

:rolleyes:

Did you chat about de-selections yesterday?

:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795787)

I believe the mole is being isolated as I write:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795799)

no

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795787)

I believe the mole is being isolated as I write:D

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 795812)

Will you stop winding him up Gary, he will be on emergency tanks at this rate :rolleyes::D

I don't believe there is a little bird or a mole, you are getting worse (read better ) with age :p:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795818)

Jaysay's mention of the mole being 'dealt with as he wrote', should be seen as further evidence of poor little Moley's existence.

:D

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 795821)

Or, you are a big tease and someone has just been blamed for something s/he did not do, which is even funnier :D:D

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 795812)

Will you stop winding him up Gary, he will be on emergency tanks at this rate :rolleyes::D

I don't believe there is a little bird or a mole, you are getting worse (read better ) with age :p:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795850)

Don't worry about me Neil Rindi couldn't wind a clock up, I've even turned the flow rate down:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795734)

'To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.'
- Amos Bronson Alcott.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 795906)

Aye, you need to be careful here, Rindy - so either put up or shut up. Otherwise Jaysay will issue a Jihad agaist you. That will be summat to see - Jaysay's Jihad!

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 795921)

i was talking to a local conservative party member .. and i said to him whats going on down at hyndburn .. and he said hyndburn always leave the choice of candidate to the last minute ..

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 795953)

With the budget date now set, and the General Election likely to be on May 6th, they really are leaving it to the last minute.

Especially with so few local members apparently willing to help the 'lucky' candidate campaign, in what little time they'll have left.

Perhaps they should have secretly considered registering the name...

lastminute.Con

:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795991)

Think they should also be wondering who is going to pay for the campaign too, cause they ain't getting anything from me nor a lot more, their list they pay for the privilege;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 796010)

Dave'll look after 'em.

If CCO isn't forthcoming with dosh for their short campaign, we could always have a whip round for them on Accy Web.

I could do a sponsored silence.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 796012)

'David Cameron's attempt to reinvent himself was in disarray yesterday after a close ally said he was more right-wing than he acts.'

'Shadow culture minister Ed Vaizey said the Tory leader was privately very conservative and only pretended to be moderate for political gain.'

'His comments came in a profile of Mr Cameron in US magazine Vanity Fair.
Just days ago Mr Vaizey embarrassed the Tory boss by suggesting his wife may have voted Labour in 1997.'

'Mr Vaizey told Vanity Fair: "He is much more Conservative by nature than he acts, or than he is forced to be by political exigency." The article also raised fears about Cameron's commitment to the NHS. Fraser Nelson, editor of the right-wing Spectator is quoted as saying: "I don't believe for a minute he believes protecting the NHS is a good idea."
David Cameron ally puts him in a right spot...again - mirror.co.uk

Am confused now.

:confused:

Does he really want us all to 'hug-a-hoodie' or not?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 796015)

Your always confused:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 795991)

Think they should also be wondering who is going to pay for the campaign too, cause they ain't getting anything from me nor a lot more, their list they pay for the privilege;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 796016)

What's not confusing is that with friends like Ed Vaizey, you don't need enemies.

Sounds like there's as much backstabbing at national level, as there is amongst local Conservatives.

:rolleyes: