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Gotta' laugh .. now Cllr. Jones has reported Cllr. Britcliffe to the national standards watchdog for not declaring his interest in his Infant Street Cafe which links to the removal of the proposed new bus station to Crawshaw Street.

Tit for tat eh ? ...:D

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wont be the first time hes had a conflict in interest lol:D:D

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He's being sent on a 'one to one training session', as a punishment.

Again, I'd be more than happy to offer my services.

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LOL ... yeh, that was funny ... :D:D Wonder if he will get a hundred lines. "I must not influence decisions for the good of the people for my own selfish interest"

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Hope your gonna video this session rindy, could do with a good laugh :D :D

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Those two really should just get a room :rolleyes::D

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They have.

It's called the Council Chamber.

:D

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never heard a rectum called that before :confused:

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Again yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

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How very odd.

I don't remember you finding it quite so boring, when the boot was on the other foot.

:rolleyes:

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Its boring because its about the hundredth time he's done it, I even think he's used this one before

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Perhaps you should have a little word with your chum then, and try and persuade him not to go for his 101st.

;)

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I must agree with you it is getting boring.

Its about time both sides stopped playing games and worked more closely for the people they represent.

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Perhaps all this tit-for-tat reporting will stop when one of them leaves for Westminster.

One of them isn't allowed to stand?

Ok, scrub that idea.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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If someone, whoever they are, genuinely believes rules have been broken, it's their duty to report it to those higher up, who can then decide what action needs to be taken, if any.

If a blind eye is turned to corruption, that is wrong, not boring.

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Do agree Neil to a certain extent .. that is why I found it so amusing, however, I thought it only fair that we were afforded the same opportunity to give Cllr. Britcliffe some stick re. this as Cllr. Jones got over the Hodder Streetgate.. :)

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I think we should stick you in the public gallery at all council meetings, so you can report back.

Perhaps you could start a thread called Silly Cow Column.

:D

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I know some people disagree with me on this, but still think if a square were to be built where Peel Street buses are now, would give a better and safer footfall to his cafe. Lots of people hate crossing that road now ... particularly the elderly, who are possibly his best customers.

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I wonder when accusations become so numerous, that you reap the benefits as a beauty product?

:rolleyes::D

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You really are wicked Garinda ... reminding people of this, although this 'trip of the verbals' certainly rounded my opinion on Cllr.Britcliffe.

You may have found a slot for me there ... I know I am not well up on International Affairs, financial matters, etc., but maybe in a small way I could be of some use to the community ... :D

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Since our local journalists are now sadly spread very thinly on the ground, you'd be ideal as the people's eye-in-the-sky, so to speak, and report back as an independent observer.

Your eye-witness account on the night of Silly Cow&Gate, was most illuminating.

Katex for HBC reporter!

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The other 100 were kicked out can't see any problems with this either:p

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She'd be to prejudice to be a reporter:D

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As he's being sent for 'one to one training' because of this breach, should we count this as number one then?

:rolleyes:

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We will await the decision with bated breath Jaysay.

Sorry no link as yet to the Observer report ... last paragraph as follows:

'The matter has also been referred to the Standards Board for England. Councillor Britcliffe said he made an oversight in not declaring the personal interest, but insisted it was not a prejudicial one'

That word 'oversite' has been useful on many occasions. We only have his word that it was not a prejudicial one.

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Disagree totally.

I'd say Katex was very fair, and says things as she sees them, and isn't influenced by blind loyalty...unlike some.

;)

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Odds 100 to 1 - that the 'training' will make an hapeth of difference

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Thanks for your defence Garinda ... :) That's my problem though sometimes, can always see both sides of the story to the extent that I can never form a decent opinion.. :(

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he listens to you to much for a start;)

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Nothing else has worked Margaret, maybe just maybe :rolleyes:
Now I'm the one being optomistic :D

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:D:D:D Would love to be a fly on the wall.

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I agree completely but was not just referring to this story but things more in general.

Too much fighting and not enough working together by both sides in my opinion.

I could quote my personal experiences but would rather discuss it over a beer, what you doing tonight? :D

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I'm sure you're not on your own there katex :D

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Oh come on Neil he's bad enough on tea never mind beer:D

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Friday night?

Fighting.

Quango bashing.

:D

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Tea...yuk.

Neil knows I'm even more charming after a pint or six.

:D

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There's a joke ther somewhere :D

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He does become more tolerable after a few pints,





that's after I have had a few :D:D

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I know standards at CRGS weren't that high, but the correct spelling is
l-o-v-a-b-l-e.

:D

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Rindy was talking about corruption and you want to discuss your personal experiences over a beer. I think we now know how you became a moderator ;)

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You know exactly how :p:D

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off to the 18 section we go :D

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:eek::eek::eek::eek:

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I have only made one Standards Board complaint ever before this one. That one and this one are over the multi-million pound failure to deliver a new bus station.

I did not complain when a leading Councillor called my 1 week old daughter 'the spawn of the devil'. It's water off a ducks back.

They are too often frivolous and David Cameron is right, they make too many mistakes and are amateurish and make Councillors appear like kids.

My complaint is over the 7 years of waiting for the bus station. In 2006 I complained because The Leader said the Bus Station would (in a style unique to him) 'only move over my dead body'. Now I thought that to be a huge vested interest and not fair when everyone else (at the meetings) wanted it moved and new one.

The SBE agreed and said there was a clear personal and prejudicial interest and wrote to both of us stating so. So we both had clear guidance. However there was no breach then because the Town Centre Regeneration Board did not fall under the Council's Code of Conduct.

Now in 2010 The Leader has enveloped himself once again in all the negotiations and all the decisions over Peel Street and spoke at Cabinet, Council and LCC about it. So I complained to LCC.

LCC found that there was a 'clear personal interest' and 'possibly a prejudicial interest'. They gave out the lightest sentence possible other than a short suspension, ie one to one training - the next would have been a short ban. The Leader has 90 days to attend to one to one training or the SB Panel will meet to deal with the issue again.

The reason it was a 'possible prejudicial interest' was due to it not being a decision, nor in a LCC capacity but a report from HBC councillor.

I just want a new bus station. The sad thing is after 7 years of turning opportunities down, the last chance, Pennine Reach may fall the wrong side of a General Election. It may not get built in the next 5 years plus now because of the Leaders stance. I think I was right to complain.

I have made no other complaints other than these two over this issue, the Bus Station.

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Blimey never thought I would see the day when I can thank PB :)

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I understand. The bus operators, highways engineers, town centre retailers, the public there, LCC did want a new site and they preferred Crawshaw Street.

I wanted a wider discussion on all sites but The Leader stepped in and stifled everything. The last conversation was two bus companies who blasted Britcliffe and said they would not deal with him.

So an open debate was even stopped. That was wrong. In the end with no debate most crowded around the idea of Crawshaw Street as simple way forward!

All wrong.

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why ?

wouldnt the kids be able to find your market stall if the bus depot was moved ? :confused:

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I think the councillor who made the comment about Cllr. Jone's baby daughter was lucky he wasn't punched in the mouth!

Jaysay once wrote to the press that this forum was filled with 'vile and vicious attacks', aimed at his political chum, Cllr. Britcliffe.

Sadly it seems Accy Web is a place of serene calm and harmony, when compared to some of our councillor's behaviour.

If he/she's escaped a slap, I think they deserve publicly naming and shaming.

No matter what the sins/merits of the father are, using an innocent baby as a form of attack is utterly contemptible.

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is a conflict of interest somthing like if a coucilor owned a property and the public managed to overturn plans for it to be allowed to be say turned into an off licence and it mysteriously having work started on it a year later despite the locals succesfull petition and the sale of teh councilors property going ahead to the off licence company ?

or is that just what is known as a tefal moment ?

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Nobody can find our market stall with the bus station where it is now ;)

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was just wondering what detrement a new bus depot woudl have to your buisness i know the last big change to teh market forced many family buisnesses long established in accrington out of buisness because teh council made it so damn dificult for them to stay operating but wouldnt a new bus depot lead to there been an oportunity to give accrington a decent sized market once again or is that just crazy thinking that HBC could actually make a decision that would benefit our town lol


the only thing accrington town center is of use for these days is cheap duracell batteries at poundland.Apart from that i dont see any real need to visit accy town center unless you either have an adiction to charity shops or need to pawn somthing or place a bet at one of the MANY gambleing establishments in town

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...and what Jaysay failed to comprend is that there is a difference between Accy Web, and what apparently is said at H.B.C.

On the one rare time I remember, when mention was made about the Council Leader's family, I for one reported it, and it was promptly removed.

The only vile vicousness happening, doesn't happen on here.

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It was out of order. You can say what you want about me and I will usually just laugh, say something about my family and that is different.

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I think it's genuinely disgusting.

The sexist 'silly cow insult was bad enough, but using someone's baby daughter is disgusting, and I don't know who said it, or what party they're from, it's pathetic.

It's all well and good saying it's 'water off a duck's back', and luckily it seems Graham has a tough skin, but that's not the point.

If you're going to attract good people into public office, they shouldn't have to put up with that. Yes you're going to have to be tough, and defend your politics, but you shouldn't have to fend off sexist, or offensive insults to your loved ones.

If some of this reported abuse was happening in a normal workplace, people would be dismissed.

As you said earlier Neil, it would be productive for the people who elected them, if councillors would work together, and that won't be helped by these nasty verbal attacks.

Pathetic.

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i know i may get hung from all sides for saying this .. but i feel that at local level there isnt a place for politics .. councillors from all parts of the spectrum should work together for whatevers best for the community .. rather than it being tory policy, labour policy or lib dems .. think everyone should be independent ...

because how many times have you voted for the person rather than the party .. you might vote for a person because you might think he'll do a good job .. rather than a party like at national or county level .. even at county level some people vote for the person rather than the party .. ive heard it many times while out canvassing .. im a labour voter but im voting for ****** because i know them ..

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I know whats said on here, I hear very little of whats said at HBC especially now I don't get either the Telegraph or Observer, I only know what is reported about HBC on hear with a slanted left bias. As for the that type of name calling, its out of order, the only thing is Its the first time I've heard of it

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Well since there are two Conservative councillors who are members of Accy Web, that we know of, perhaps you should be encouraging them to post more, to redress the balance.

After all some people don't seem afraid of being vocal in council chambers.

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Maybe they see what kind of verbles andrew and myself get:rolleyes:

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If that puts them off maybe they should not have stood for election

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Unlike in council chambers there's a report button on here, for any abusive comments.

Plus those who decide to play with matches shouldn't be too suprised if they occasionally get their fingers burnt.

I consider the two names you mentioned, one being your's, as being guilty of using equally 'vile and vicious attacks' against those you oppose, and certainly no worse than anything that's been posted about your delicate, and vunerable chum, Cllr. Britcliffe.

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Perhaps we could pitch this story to the BBC?

We could have Bill Oddie, and 'Katex' Humble in a hide at these meetings whispering into microphones about the latest bit of strutting that is going on from the Alpha Male of the chambers and the counter-measures of the Beta Male as he once again tries to gain mastery of the entire flock.

All we need now is a title.

Council Watch?

Tory Watch?

Carry on up his Chambers? (Ooeer Missus, No, stop messing about).

:)

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Silly Cow Watch.

:D

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Here's a little challenge for you, and a chance to put your money where your mouth is.

Why don't you provide quotes, as evidence, to back up your claim?

Then everyone can decide if forum rules have been broken, and the severity of the verbal assaults against said people.

(Though do be prepared for quotes given in evidence, of equally verbal assaults.)

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In the council chamber they see face to face those who are debating with on here they come across Eddie the Eagle or Fred the Red and ain't a clue who they are being addressed by, big difference Neil

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...or perhaps it's because bullying isn't allowed on the site.

That, and the fact that every member has an equal voice on here, and they'd feel at a disadvantage in a democratic arena.

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Well PB was, until I came on here, regularly called the idiot in chief for one, This site is top heavy with left thinking people like yourself, I only wish this site had been in operation when Labour had a huge majority on HBC, you really would have had something to moan about, or maybe not, Quack Quack

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I've had a look through accywebs members list, I can't find these two so called members.

Can I ask are they fictitious characters made up as some form of Tory smoke screen?

or

If they have actually posted on accyweb could you let the Admins/Mods know where and when, as it is a severe breech of the rules for none-members to post on site!

:confused:

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News to me;)

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How very patronising.

Are you in the polling booth when I vote?

I've already stated I haven't always voted for the same party, nor have I ever been a member of any political organisation, which frees me from blinding support for anyone...unlike some.

Strange how some people don't have the ability to see what's under their nose, because it doesn't fit in with their narrow-mindiness, such as my scathing attacks against the Labour government, certainly equal in severity to any made against the ruling group on H.B.C.

If people play the poor little victim card, after attacking others, I see that as a sign of utter, pathetic weakness.

If there was a weighted political bias on here, from the party faithful, I would say that there is also a Ying, to balance their Yang.

;)

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I've never called him that.

The only person I recall using that phrase is Acrylic-bob, someone who's made no secret of the fact that he's a Tory supporter.

;)

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I purposely used fictitious names Less, didnt want to hurt any members feelings, I'm a sensative soul really you know:)

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:s_cry::s_cry::s_cry:

YouTube - Culture Club - Victims

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If it's reported to the site moderators I've always found thet act quickly to stamp it out.

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I think I'll start a new thread, now, what can I call it...

I know,

'Local Tory supporter admits to using fiction in defence of inadequate leader'

I wonder if the local rags will print this and give accyweb praise for revealing such underhand methods?

:)

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Annoying ain't it when people keep saying things that arent strictly true, I sometimes feel that way when people say I'm in constant touch with PB and other Tory activists, when In fact I haven't seen Peter for over two years and have only occasionally spoken to him on the phone, once since November, I gave up politics after the 2001 GE and haven't been to a party meeting since, I helped out on polling day a few times but haven't even done that since 2006, as I've said I have more important issue in my life than fret about politics, but will still stand my corner with anybody, who I think is trying it on, the trouble is people are easily bamboozled by Saint Graham unfortunately:rolleyes:

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Don't be pedantic Less if I'd have actually used members names I'd have got my hands and face smacked by mick:rolleyes: again:D

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Now you're accusing one of accywebs own beloved leaders of using violence to control members!

Are there no depths to the level you will stoop to, to defend the indefensible?

:)

P.S. I see there is no emphatic denial, so can I take it that you agree that our Council leader is inadequate?

:eek:

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Could be a lot worse, could be that numpty who controls Labour

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Oh Dear, what's to do?

Well below your lowest of low comebacks that one, but still if you really believe you and Andrewb, (name rings a bell but can't quite place him), are the Political Minority on here, perhaps we should treat you with similar kid gloves we have to treat Nigg', I mean, Ethnic minorities, let you say what you want and remember the P.C. brigade don't like us contradicting you.

Or would you rather put forward your views and like E.M.'S be treated as equal?
:confused:

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I see it as it is Less and will continue to do so in a minority of one:rolleyes:

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If we are having a spot the difference contest could you announce what the prizes are going to be before starting it.

If however you are deliberately altering quotes from me, please use a spill chucker, Nigger isn't spelt with an A anywhere in it!

Please, please, download a spell checker, they are free & it will make life easier for the rest of us.

P.S. If you run your replies through word first you can also check your Granma'.
:D

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I believe it is if you're hangin' with your Homies in da 'hood, and wearing a hoodie.

(Waiting for a hug, from a passing bloke called Dave.)

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Sorry about that Less, I have a spell check (I need one being dyslexic) and it changes things in the quotes too, I usually change them back, trust it to be one of eagle eyed Lesses post that I missed:D

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I'd agree with you except that I said, Not

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Are you serious? Have you read Garinda's views on law and order, political correctness and a whole range of other subjects? They're enough to have any upstanding leftwing liberal reaching for their smelling salts. He's actually part of that large body of Accywebbers whose views come from various parts of the political spectrum, left, right and centre. In other words, he's a political maverick, part of the Accyweb Awkward Brigade.

There are some conventional leftwingers on here like Graham (who receives a fair bit of stick - I seem to recall you calling him a "numpty" earlier today) and Bernard and ClaytonEnder (who also receive a certain amount of stick, some of it from me!). However, they don't moan about it or disappear like andrewB. They just shrug it off and get on with things.

It's about time your Tory compatriots did the same!

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That doesn't fit into his narrow agenda though, of wanting eveyone put firmly into their clearly little labeled boxes.

You can post bitter attacks against the government, telling Blair he should hang his head in shame, for ennobling that poor excuse of a woman, Baroness Uddin, as I did on here yesterday.

You can even praise our council, and it's Council Leader. As I have, on occasion.

All that remains unviewed, by the blinded eyes of the party faithful.

All that can be seen are any unflattering posts, made about his beloved, regarding policy and it's implementation.

Such blind devotion is quite sweet really.

A bit like that soppy mutt, sitting in an Edinburgh graveyard, for years and years, after his master's demise.

Greyfriars Jaysay.

(I think I'll start on the screen play right now.)

:D

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When you're looking for Members to fill your parts, could you announce it in anything goes and I'll play the part of the Tartan Tam

:)

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I'd penned you down for 'crowd at funeral' and 'Gargolye mason number 2'.

Leave it with me, though I'm not promising.

:D

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I didn't disappear because I got some stick. I stopped posting because it was no longer enjoyable having arguments twisted by some members for the sake of it, as they probably have nothing better to do. I don't for a second fear a proper debate, or disagreement. Simply find purposeful twisting and going off the argument to just attack words, or lines of posts, rather than content, entirely boring. I have far better things to do.

As for reporting the leader. I find the whole situation between Peter and Graham entirely counterproductive for the borough from both sides.

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Can I have a part too please?

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Well, I thought you'd have jumped at the chance, what other way would allow you to give me plenty of head in public?

:tongueout

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Ok, the tartan bonnet is your's.

Just be careful when sitting on set in that kilt.

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Hope it isn't too windy, if he is in a kilt, as there are some things best kept covered up.:)

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I presume you will be setting this in Edinburgh?

Would it be o.k. if I play my part with a lower class Glaswegian accent because I've just signed up with lynx for my elocution lessons?

:)

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You can be Lucky Heather.

A tart with a heart, that bandages the mutt's paw, after he's been chased, and had stones thrown at him, by the boys from the Conservative Future Academy.

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You thought the Berlin Wall was divisive?

Not half as much as east/west Scotland is.

If you are to secure a speaking part you will haver to master the clipped Morningside accent, so much in prevalance in the uptight capital city.

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Well, according to your mate, Jaysay it's because of "Labour's incessant bullying" and the fact that you're a "sensitive young lad". As I've said before, if you're thinking of going into politics, you'd best toughen up quick. Having Mancie call you "Tory scum" is nowt compared to what you'll encounter in the big, wide world out there.

Still, if you've better things to do (and I should hope you do have at your age on Saturday night ;)) don't let us detain you...

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I've found out who it is, that said such a despicable thing about a small baby.

You know him.

I hope for his sake he doesn't say anything similar about your's.

:mad:

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Phew, as well as fielding off accusations of 'picking' on him, I'll not have to think up anymore excuses, when he asks for the umpteenth time to come and see me, and chat (about politics...yawn).

Hurrah for 'better things', and hurrah for de-friending me on Facebook.

It's going to be tough, getting on with life, buy I'll try and cope, best as I can.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: