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I suppose as someone else who has also posted incorrect information from time to time, such as which political party the Daily Mail supported at the 1997 General Election, it will be nice for you to have some company.

:rolleyes:

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'Forward from the Leader of the Council -
The Council welcomes the chance to gain extra powers to deal with poor private landlords. Poor management practises can affect more than just the individual tenant; it can affect the immediate neighbours and the wider community.'

'I have learnt from my constituency role that general population has a poor regard for private landlords, mainly due to the activities of a few who are unwilling to show any responsibility towards the community. I hope that the implementation of Selective Licensing will improve standards and where necessary result in the poor landlords leaving the field, allowing the majority of good landlords to show that residents need not fear the presence of private lettings amongst them.'

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...ng_-_App_C.pdf

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Your grammar and spelling has improved no end in the past 24 hours, for which you must be applauded.

However, much of your argument has revolved around what this government has done (or not done), a seemingly direct attack on Graham Jones regarding his status as a landlord and the fact that there are 2000 empty homes in Hyndburn. Forgive some of us for thinking that you come on like a Conservative councillor trying to hide his identity.

We do need more social housing, which is what Labour is pushing for in Hyndburn. In the meantime, schemes like this are designed to protect the decent tenants who are not only the customers but the people who line the pockets of landlords, good or bad. It also whittles out the chaff and ensures that the industry is looked upon more favourably as a whole, a positive benefit for the landlords themselves.

Some landlords may view property as an alternative pension scheme which is fair enough, but the disreputable ones are simply making money at the expense of the quality of life of families who have no other option.

Spare a thought for the tenants.

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We all make mistakes. Including yourself. I still welcome the informed discussion. :)

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'Eafield & Maple are letting and management agents in the area and we are committed to caring for your property in your absence and to maximising your financial return.'
Home.co.uk: Eafield & Maple Website

Profit, investment, returns, but not much mention of tenants, other than them being a source of income.

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It's could be a fairly big source of income judging by the private registration 'EA51ELD' silver 4x4 I saw on Abbey Street yesterday.

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That should read 'misinformed', there being at least two factual inaccuracies, posted so far.

Still, I suppose it's hard for you to comprehend those, with your track record for not posting the correct facts.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Lol, let's not judge someone by what they drive, or get diverted by discussing 4 x 4 drivers.

:D

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You must find it hard to comprehend then.

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Merely a comparative observation. Any correlation you're assuming between my post and any discussions (present or past) is purely in your imagination....

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On 'profit'. You're talking as if it's evil or wrong.

Next you'll be outside the fruit and veg stalls on Accy market with your placards because some are making profit off the backs of people needing to eat. :rofl38:

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Not at all, but since Eafield decided not to follow usual protocol, and post a nice hello, in the introduction thread, but launched a waffling, inaccurate tirade, making no mention of the fact that he's a letting agent, and therefore has a vested interest in the subject, it is relevant that there is much talk of profit, investment, and returns on investments for abstentee landlords, on their company website.

Openess, and transparency, is so very often the best policy.

;)

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Well ya would welcome him seeing as he's a mate of yer mams, tells porkies, and probably was invited to come on fer political dirt, must be right up yer street.:(

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Who my relations friends are or are not is no concern of mine!

Welcome new members to the Accyweb community contributing to the discussion that's all.

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It seems a fairly thorough consultation was carried out with the landlords involved, and their related associations. Although only 11% of the 1,000 landlords contacted, bothered to respond.

Even though I'm not a councillor, as your post requested, there's no need to thank me for finding this information, as it wasn't very hard to do, and I'm happy to be of service.

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Without wanting to patronise you Andrew, you're still very young and probably haven't had much first-hand experience of people trying to fleece you to feather their own nests. Assuming you aren't a homeowner, just wait till you become one and find your own attitude towards the way companies operate change dramatically.

A fruit trader is making a few pence at best on a bag of apples, which have to be fresh and the stall clean and inviting for people to spend their money there. He or she needs to work tirelessly and spend money in order to make a living.

A landlord can buy a house cheap, renovate it to minimal standards, rent it out (the going rate for a terraced house in Rishton is around £550 pcm) and at the moment do very little else except watch the money roll in. Calls for repairs to the house can (and do) go unanswered and families with no option are saddled with a substandard home.

There are some very good landlords out there who run their properties well and look after their tenants but the bad ones drag down the name of the good ones.

Strict regulation on this is the only way to reduce the number of rotten apples on this particular fruit stall.

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Not even a get rich quick, pyramid selling scam?

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Thank-you Garinda. With such a low amount of responses from landlords and residents, I'm surprised you're not asking questions about consultation. HBC don't have a good track record for getting consultation questionnaires out to people. Only 3.4% of landlords and 7.4% of residents who were apparently consulted, thought that this current selective licensing of landlords plan was one they wanted.

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Sending questionnaires, by first class post, to 1,000 named landlords, and receiving only a paltry 11% back, reflects more badly on the landlord's apparent apathy and indifference, rather than our council's attempt to consult them, and considering the other meetings our council instigated, with the landlord's forum, and various associated bodies, etc, it's not H.B.C. who come out of this looking as if they couldn't care less.

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My current landlord is a good one. When I've had problems, they have been sorted. Of course my landlord is making profit. I don't mind that. He provides a product and service which I'm happy to pay for.

A previous landlord was not quite so good. They were shocking at getting things fixed and when they did come to fix things, would often appear in our house with their own key, without notice.

I would hate for the responsible landlord I'm with now, to be put under a selective licensing scheme with little consultation, just because my previous landlord was not a responsible one. There should be more powers given to tackle irresponsible landlords, rather than hitting the responsible ones.

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Our Council Leader, Peter Britcliffe, seems very happy with the improvements these licences will bring to the chosen communities, and the thorough consultation that was carried our beforehand, by H.B.C.

:rolleyes:

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Garinda, I see you consider yourself an Agent provocateur. You are certainly a tit for tat member.

I apologise for not following site protocol. I must confess I was introduced to the site by a friend who advised me that it was a good place to share and debate my opinions and on this subject which I have a passionate view, I may well of jumped straight in at the deep end.

In choosing the clear username Eafield I had considered myself as transparent. I am not a conservative councillor and for the second time my political views have no bearing on my comments.

My name is Paul Brown and as I thought was clear I am a letting agent and landlord in Accrington. I am NOT against licensing, I am merely against the current plans. I would love nothing more than the opportunity to voice my thoughts with the powers that be, but as also mentioned when I attempted to speak with Mr Jones he advised me to call back in three weeks. Accyweb seemed an ideal method of raising my comments sooner. As Mr Jones has not responded to any of the points I raise, I also apologise for being drawn into a ridiculous tit for tat, I shall leave it for Mr Jones to review my comments and perhaps he will then take it upon himself to comment further.

I thank you for taking the time to look at my web site and raising the issue of profit for landlords, could you not have the decency to also compliment the content relating to safety checks and landlord obligations, along with the need to obtain good quality references for all tenants. Just a few of the items we and our landlords have promoted for many years, unlike many less scrupulous landlords.

I am sorry for the use of bad language in my comments, this I shall ensure does not happen again.

Your personal onslaught in reference to factual content seems just a little childish to me, as I thought we had already cleared up the typo in my initial text relating to the date being March and not April. Apologies again for causing you such trauma.

On this subject and the absence of an apology to Clatonender, I should just point out that a response has been added and I shall consider an apology based on the response to the facts that I still believe to be correct. You state I am inaccurate with my comments, on what basis have “you” qualified this.

On a final note, if you have any other comments relating to my views that you would like to air, perhaps we could stick to the relevant points in hand and leave the politics at home. If you are not capable of this then it is not likely you will receive a response from me.

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Thank heavens their is at least one rational person on here. I look forward to speaking more.

Regards....

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As you were informed, Graham Jones might be a little too busy to answer your questions on demand at the moment, as he is standing in the General Election, and probably rates other concerns as being more urgent.

Sticking to the thread's subject, did you send back your questionnaire to our council, and are therefore included in the lowly 11% of the 1,000 landlords that H.B.C. contacted ?

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Further to my posting from the Eafield & Maple website, you'd made no mention of the fact that you were a letting agent, only that you were a landlord.

As for your choice of username being transparent, that's risible.

Someone could decide to call themselves Coutts...we wouldn't necessarily presume them to be a banker.

;)

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Ask pretty much any responsible landlord and the majority seem to be in favour of the scheme. I'm sure you have facts and figures at your fingertips as regards the response to HBC but there's no substitute for talking to people.

The scheme is not a punishment for anyone who is already doing a good job or a way of extracting money, more a way of bringing an industry into line which has proved itself to be incapable of keeping its own house in order. The poor, defenceless property developers will simply put up the rents to compensate while the tenants will be ensured decent living arrangements.

It's long overdue and I'm surprised that your opinion doesn't tally with Cllr Britcliffe, leader of an excellent council.

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Would it not be beneficial to have the votes of the "local" landlords affected by this scheme?

On the subject of the questionnaire, I most certainly did respond, I also went in to great detail as to how I felt landlords could interact better with the council and how the scheme would "in my opinion” be best implemented.

I did not receive any follow up to the questionnaire. I have also received no other information or correspondence on this subject since then.

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Going back to my comments about you, your childish input and your wish to be personal.

Perhaps as an educated man you could enlighten us all as to why you would choose (past tense) to make reference to Eafield & Maple in your previous threads, if as you claim in this your latest thread, my choice of username is risible and not transparent.

I suggest all comments you have sir are unconstructive and risible.

I shall now be leaving your playground as I refuse to play with bullies who clearly have more spare time on their hands than I.

Have a nice life.

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now who's childish, spit yer dummy out have ya?:D

Not at all, just not keen on wasting everyones time with childish arguments that have no relevance to my initial thread and the points I raised.

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Your statement that choosing the username Eafield makes it clear that you are a lettings agent, is risible, because many people might not be aware of the company Eafield & Maple, or if they have, what they do.

We only know what people decide to tell us.

You informed us earlier in the thread that you were a landlord, nothing else.

As pointed out, someone could decide on the username Coutts or Hoare, without us necessarily knowing they're a silly little banker.

As for being bullied, it wasn't me who broke forum rules by using bad language, and caused extra work for our moderators.

Thank you for your input.

Goodbye.

:wave:

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Er...the thread was started by claytonender, one of our councillors, the member you wrongly claimed had supplied misinformation, whilst getting in a tiz yourself, and misinforming us with dates yet to happen..

If anyone has a right to clain the thread as their's, I suspect it's her.

:rolleyes:

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As ya aint got an initial thread.:confused: just posts in someone elses, yer inaccuracys continuing. ya actually made some relevant points imho, just embellished em with crap that was at best not factual.:rolleyes:

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Right lets clear this up, Why did ya join Accyweb? my view is it was not to become a participating member, it was to get yer own selfish point of view across, i base that view on all the subjects ya have contributed on 1.:rolleyes: some folk don't agree with that view, yer spitting yer dummy out n sodding off. fer your information, not that it matters, i am a landlord meself, so have no axe to grind about yer views. my axe is purely cos of yer inaccuracies n porkies, i would love ya to prove me wrong n become a participating member, but aint holding me breath, so if ya are going, Don't slam the door on yer way out.:rolleyes:

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I thought his post meant that he would be leaving Garinda's playground, rather than coming down to his childish level, not Accringtonweb. We shall soon find out I guess. :)

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Would that be childish cos he disagrees,? or points out glaring inaccuraccies which you yerself are missing?

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I think he's childish because he ignores large parts of posts and picks up on petty points, which he then goes on to repeat and repeat. There are plenty of people on Accyweb that disagree without being childish.

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n you aint one of em.:D

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-ob-52587.html



If some people took the time to read the relevant threads on this forum, or inform themselves about what's been recently printed in the local press, perhaps they wouldn't continue to add misinformation to a vile smear campaign.

As first impressions go this has to be in the all time top three worst Accy Web introductions, and the others only pipped the top two places because they included death threats and/or threats of violence.

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The fact that Andrewb is supporting this person, speaks volumes about himself IMHO.

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Yes, quoting what people have actually said is sooooooooooo naughty.

Are you going to flounce off in another huff, accusing people of 'pickin' on you', and 'twisting your words'?

If you don't wish any part of your posts not to be quoted, the only way around this is not to post the things that might be deemed worthy of highlighting.

;)

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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The vast majority of people, with a modicum of common sense, see and understand that.

:rolleyes:

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That statement speaks volumes about you Andrew, and I'm disappointed to say that they're all rather negative tomes. The 'informed contribution' has been desultory and aches of anti-Labour cant whilst opposing a scheme that is for the good of the masses.

You wouldn't happen to know Eafield personally, would you?

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It's unfortunate that you feel negatively because I've welcomed somebody on to Accringtonweb, a landlord, to contribute to a thread about landlord licensing.

No I do not know Eafield personally.

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It's not the welcome, it's that you've found something laudable in gravelly posts that have tarmaced their way through this thread, rubbishing a scheme which is for the benefit of everyone involved in it.

You and I are definitely on different sides of the fence on this matter.

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I should also add that coming onto a message board and throwing around baseless (and potentially libellous) accusations towards a councillor in a lengthy first post which is riddled with spelling errors that miraculously disappear from more pithy replies further into the thread is likely to arouse suspicion and get people's backs up.

The whole purpose of Eafield's contribution appears to have been politically-motivated, whether intentional or not.

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True but ya know who does.:rolleyes: the stuff about yer welcome is more crap, if the guy had introduced himself, i would have welcomed him, as i normally do. i question if he is in fact a landlord? or just a letting agent? i don't know n nor do you if ya don't know him.

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As you are aware i know him and he is indeed a landlord a good one too

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I was introduced to the forum by a friend on the merit of a conversation about Selective Licensing.

I have jumped in at the deep end with a subject I do indeed feel passionately about. As a discussion forum I would have expected its members to welcome another opinion. I confess I did not look through the introduction for which I apologies, I will introduce myself retrospectively and with an apology.

I am disappointed in myself for allowing my points to be diluted by petty procrastination over a miss typed date, a contended point of dates which has yet to be replied to further to my last comment to Claytonender and a question to a councillor about his current level of involvement in the rental market.

You say you agree with some of my comments, yet like many others in this forum you seem keen to quibble minor points and have entirely avoided giving an opinion on the real issues raised.

I will indeed be far more careful in what I post in future, I did not realise so many could be offended so deeply by things such as the above along with the spelling and grammar of a participant.

Had I been introduced on a less relevant point I may well have spent more time looking at other elements of the site, as it is so far, I have limited time and this was the issue I joined to discuss. I will indeed continue to contribute to the site, albeit only where I feel I have a constructive and relevant point.

Going to the matter at the head of this thread, “selective licensing”.

May I graciously ask, as you have now advised you are a landlord, are you accredited and if so when were you accredited?

I am a landlord, I am not accredited, although I applied to be over 12 months ago. Yes i’m an agent also. I do not have issue with being licensed, I do not have issue with paying for it. For the record, I only have two houses that will be affected by the scheme.

May I also graciously ask will your property be affected by the scheme?

I look forward to hearing back.
:confused:

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...and are you going to apologise to Graham Jones too, now you're better informed by what was delivered in evidence in post 140?

Not really a wise move, wrongly accusing well respected members of this forum, of things that turn out not to be true.

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Ken I apologise for not reading the site and introducing myself to everyone. This I will rectify.

You have made a few comments on the points I have made. I don’t really think my spelling and grammar is an issue high on the agenda, I had a lot of points in my initial comments and failed to spell check it after completion.

I’m not sure what relevance the car I drive has to the matter, but for your benefit and to clear this point up, my car is paid for by me with a wage I earn, working as an estate and letting agent day in day out. I do not profiteer as a result of my properties and I like many welcome licensing, but as I have said so many times, my issue is the manner in which this scheme is being introduced.

I have property in areas not licensed, you may live in an area that is not licensed, is it not fair of me to say that neither of us want to see other parts of Accrington and the borough suffer bad tenants as a result of a half hearted scheme.

Politics are not on my agenda Ken, selective licensing is.

Regards.

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Eafield you implied in an earlier thread that certain areas of Accrington were not included in the scheme because Councillors owned houses in those areas. There are 4 Labour councillors who post on Accyweb- myself, Graham Jones, Clare Pritchard and Bernard Dawson. None of us are landlords (as you have said Graham was). In fact Bernard lives in a Hyndburn Homes property. I feel that you need to quanitify your claims.

Also I do not apologise for my statement that Labour Party members and councillors started to deliver the leaflets on 28 March showing the area that was to be designated. Incidentally there had already been an article about the scheme in the Accrington Observer earlier in March .

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The article about the scheme, published on the 12th March, 2010.

Licence scheme will root out rogue landlords - Accrington Observer

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I agree with the licensing but do thing it should cover all the borough and not just selected areas. Seems to me that all that will happen is absent landlords who care not a jot about the state of their property or what type of tenant they have will just move on to other areas. This scheme needs to be rolled out across the borough.

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Unfortunately the scheme would not have been approved by the department of Communities and Local Government (CLG) if it had covered the entire borough. As it is, it was only through the intervention of Greg Pope, who spoke to the Minister for CLG - John Healey, that the scheme was sanctioned. It had originally been thrown out by the Government Office North West because they felt that it covered to large an area. Graham Jones had already discussed the scheme and other housing problems that there are in the borough at the Labour Party conference in Brighton last September.

In other local authorities, where there are Selective Licensing schemes, that have been up and running for several years, Selective Licensing has been extended to cover other areas. In Salford, there are now 2 designated areas and in Manchester 3.

Selective Licensing for Local Authorities a Good Practice Guide by Shelter


http://england.shelter.org.uk/__data...uthorities.pdf

Also this is an article from Salford Advertiser dated 4 March 2010 about a landlord being fined £6000 for not signing up to the selective licence scheme.

Landlord fined for no licence - Salford Advertiser

Also a report of a landlord being prosecuted for not bringing their property up to standard.

LACORS - Subject Content Details

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Ta fer the clarification Turkish.:)


[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]You say you agree with some of my comments, yet like many others in this forum you seem keen to quibble minor points
May I graciously ask, as you have now advised you are a landlord, are you accredited and if so when were you accredited?

I am a landlord, I am not accredited, although I applied to be over 12 months ago. Yes i’m an agent also. I do not have issue with being licensed, I do not have issue with paying for it. For the record, I only have two houses that will be affected by the scheme.

May I also graciously ask will your property be affected by the scheme?

I look forward to hearing back.
:confused:[/QUOTE]
Right in answer to you. i do not call it quibbling minor points, when you accuse people of being landlords when they are not, i call it n attempt at character assasination,:( n that is not defending political views as Graham Jones is well aware of my standpoint. as to yer question am i accredited the answer is no, due to the simple fact i aint a landlord in this area, as many on here who know me well are aware. however i do conform with all the rules over and above with my property.also personally i do not give a rats about yer grammer/ spelling etc, slong as i can understand things, full stops n spelling matter not 1 iota to me. hope that answers what ya want to know.

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It was emphasising a point about profit for Andrewb's benefit, but it's also something of a joke between myself and Garinda about a debate he and I had some time ago regarding 4x4s.

I'm assuming the vehicle in question is yours as you haven't stated that I'm wrong but it's a very nice car with essentially a private plate so if you've paid for that yourself you're obviously doing quite well, and fair enough.

I wouldn't call your landlording style into question as I don't know anything about you, but I've seen lots of cars on the street where I live come to collect rent and not a single one of them is what you might call 'reasonably priced'. I know for a fact that some of the tenants are living in shabby conditions which their landlords have repeatedly failed to put right, yet they themselves are evidently living in luxury. You'll forgive me for looking on that as profiteering in quite a different way from running an apple stall.

I would call that into question and support any scheme which sets out to refine trading methods and improve living standards, particularly one that is backed by some very well-respected landlords in Rishton and other areas. I will say yet again that bad landlords are ruining decent areas and people are getting fed up of it.

If you're a good landlord (and I haven't yet spoken to one that is against the idea) then why would you oppose the scheme? I realise you're not opposing it, merely the way it is being introduced, but at this stage something is better than nothing and if it has worked in such a large area as Salford then that's good enough for me.

It can always be refined, that's what councils are there for.

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come on, thats a low blow ..... can anyone say petty juvenile jealousy , obivously your upset that someone can afford to buy a "toy" maybe you should work harder then you could have one that reads MOSSY 1 ......... never have I seen anyone castigated and given so much "bad karma" in such short of time for daring/having the guts to post an opinion that isn't in lockstep with the local ideology ( it's not our fault we live in bad areas , we are all victims of the big bad man) ...... Re. Rishton ..why did it have to take over 2 years for your possible future 'constituants' to get rid of the crazy woman in Rishton who played loud music at all hours to get it stopped , so they could get a good nights sleep before getting up for work to pay their council tax... be interesting to know if the miscreant was in reciept of local housing benefits , to me that seems the local Police and local Councillors/Council employees were not interested doing their job :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Noise row woman has stereo seized (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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It's a low blow to congratulate someone on having a nice car?

We're talking about profiteering and since I don't know Eafield I certainly can't lay any claim at his door either way. However, to go back to several cases in point in Rishton, when someone is cruising up to a terraced house with a dodgy boiler and a leaky roof the like of which I've never seen before in an 10 plate Merc, you'll pardon me for thinking that maybe they are raking in quite a fair old stash without necessarily giving the service that is required in return.

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I presume no one has the slightest problem with anyone expressing an opinion.

However when your first couple of posts basically accuse a well respected member, such as claytonender, of being a liar, and it turns out she didn't, and then trys to label Graham Jones a landlord, a couple of weeks after the vile attack in the press, which we all hoped had been put to bed, after his sister explained about their late grandmother's estate being in probate, and evidence has been supplied in this thread to once again put this lie right, and no comment, or apology has been made by the new member who stated this untruth, I presume that's why people gave negative karma.

As mentined earlier, there have been two other new members who have made worse first impressions, but they were either before you joined, or you've forgotten.

Giving an opinion is fine. How you give it, will deter how people take it.

Personally I wouldn't go to a party, tell the hosts their newly decorated rooms look terrible, and then accuse their children of being bare faced liars.

:rolleyes:

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To be fair to HBC, they did do their job as the house is now empty and in the process of being retenanted. There is protocol in dealing with noisy neighbours and I can tell you from experience that it works and the police will deal with noisy parties, etc. immediately if they are called.

I can't really see how this story can be viewed in a negative light as the problem has been solved to the satisfaction of everyone involved (presumably excepting the tenant).

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Come on, cut him some slack.

Old Steeljack's well and truly bought into the American dream, were the dollar is king, and no one is truly happy until they have gold plated taps in their trailer, and a great big gas guzzler parked outside.

Trashy status symbols are more highly prized on t'otherside of the pond.

;)

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My nice little Mini Cooper not cut the mustard, then?

Maybe if I'd worked harder at school.....

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You'll never be happy, or judged a success, until you do.

I don't think anyones explained to our former colonists that you enter this world with nowt, and leave it the same way.

Anything that comes your way whilst you're on life's journey, is merely a means of making that journey more comfortable.

Otherwise the 'richest' country on the planet wouldn't have the highest rate of lard arsed depressives in the world.

Happy is, as happy does.

:rolleyes:

Re: Selective Licensing of Landlords
 

as an old bumper sticker of mine used to say... Whoever dies with the most toys wins!



reviving an old thread ....... wonder if this news report (BBC website) will have any effect on HBC new regulations about private landlords

BBC News - Letting agents 'let off the hook' by government

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I doubt it, as this is already legislated for, and isn't a proposed change.

Seems to be already working well locally.

Crackdown on rogue landlords in Blackburn and Darwen (From This Is Lancashire)

Are you planning to have your pram buried too, along with your toys?

How you'll laugh when you realise they're of no use to you.

Oh hang on, you won't be laughing, you'll be dead.

:dummy2:

:D

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I bet the Onnasis family didn't have that sticker on their innumerous fleet of super yachts, after suffering the premature deaths of Alexander and Christina.

They probably learnt the hard way, that despite fabulous wealth, and the biggest 'toy' collection in the world, there are some things money can't buy.

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...and it seems at leat one half of the coalition are happy with the results of selective licensing.

Landlord Licensing Scheme has teeth (Liberal Democrats in Blackburn, Darwen, Hyndburn and Rossendale)

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I think this is a good case study of the effectiveness of SL. The abandonement of the national register is a step back and for the industry to criticise the minister demonstrates their acknowledgement of their own problem.

I suspect the Landlords Federation, a Tory sop, would approve of the move contradicting the letting agents view. The LF are worrying.

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'As individuals we feel Hyndburn Borough Council may have failed to consult with local landlords.'

Print Page - Who are Hyndburn Landlords?

'May'.

Such an ambiguous word.

Also one, which when used in some sentences, has that certain whiff of desperation about it.

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Hi Garinda,

Hope your well.

I'm not sure if you’re asking a question here or just spoiling for a further debate on the matter.

Hyndburn Landlords is a landlords association recently created and currently taking legal advice on the merits of a Judicial Review, in respect of the current Selective Licensing Scheme.

If you or any other person wants more details on either Hyndburn Landlords or our current challenge please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards,

Paul Brown

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Hi.
:ello:

Welcome back.

I was just pointing out the appeal seems to hang on the word 'may'.

Either H.B.C. did consult the relevant number local landlords, in accordance with the law, or they didn't.

Good luck, either way.

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Thanks for the good wishes.

I know I haven’t posted for a while, I did say I would post on matters I had a sound opinion on but it seems whenever such an issue arises someone has always beet me to the punch line.

I promise I will be less bullish in any future posts.

I can now say with confidence that Hyndburn did fail to follow the prescribed consultation process. It is this we hang our case on, you may have read more about our argument and I hope that most will see we have a genuine reason and case for review. It’s to be expected that the Private Rented Sector comes under criticism, let’s face it there are bad landlords out there. But this doesn’t mean they are all bad.

One thing I will now say, after meeting with Graham Jones, is that “I publicly apologise for the criticism I threw at Graham, my information was partially inaccurate and I had been ill advised on some points”

Regards

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It seems the group of Hyndburn landlords who challenged in the High Court the introduction of the Selective Licensing scheme in the borough, have failed, according to this weekend's Observer.

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:)

(Sorry, no link to this story, as not yet on Observer website.)

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It seems His Honour Judge Waksman Q.C. didn't quite share your confidence, when he dismissed your claims.

;)

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Although, according to the group's website, they are planning to appeal.

Must still be a lot of money to be made in being a landlord.

:rolleyes:

'Dear Landlords,

You may have seen recent press articles stating Hyndburn Landlords have failed to overturn the Selective Licensing Scheme.

Firstly we must confirm our application has been declined based on the papers, presented.

HOWEVER, this does not mean we have failed to achieve our goals, it is not uncommon for applications for Judicial review to be declined based on the papers and we can advise that our legal representatives have now submitted the necessary documents for a re-determination.

This application will finally allow our case to be presented orally at the high court the outcome of which remains to be seen.

Let us also please remember that at no time has Hyndburn Landlords or its members sought solely to overturn the scheme, but rather have the scheme size reduced. We have always maintained this scheme is too large and will be poorly administered by Hyndburn Borough Council, to the detriment of landlords, tenants and the whole private rented sector.

We can not comment further in a public domain, if any landlord wishes for further details please do not hesitate to contact any of the committee members via Thompson’s or Eafield & Maple.

In the meantime we can assure all members that Hyndburn Landlords continue to fight this flawed scheme, updates to follow.

Our thanks for your support.'
Hyndburn Landlords & Selective Licensing

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I'm sure you are Eafield, but it seems others involved with your little protest group aren't.

Makes sense I suppose, for 'some' to oppose this scheme.

:rolleyes:

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...s-56727-3.html

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Hi Garinda,

Sorry it this thread again. :)

There could be some truth in your assertions.

Our application was indeed declined on the papers. Although, I remain happy to continue this fight for myself and the many good landlords I know that maintain and manage their properties to perfectly respectable standards, representing their share of the 82% of tenants in the PRS who are either satisfied or very satisfied with their accommodation.

This said I concur with previous undertones that bad landlords need to be dealt with effectively, Licensing on the scale HBC propose is not the answer (that’s my humble opinion, one im happy to spend more time and money defending).

I hope I haven’t been bullish or too defensive, I really don’t like to be thought bad of, if you get to Accrington regularly I would love to put the kettle on and just spend 20 mins in person showing you and anyone that’s interested why we are fighting this….

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Hello!

Fancy you popping up here!

You should spread yourself about a bit.

Tell a joke in Anything Goes.

Go on.

Otherwise we'll think you've only got one string to your landlord's bow.

:)

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Thank you.

I do.

So might take up your kind offer.

I may be many things, but I'm someone who'll always listen to both sides of a story.

White. No sugar.

:D

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The link to the report I'd read wasn't online earlier, but is now on the LT website.

If anyone else wants to read it.

Hyndburn landlords fail in High Court bid (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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I've thrown a few Q & A's in the mix over the months, I’m lousy at jokes though. Particularly as I got told off last time I was rude.

Always have sugar in to keep people sweet...

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"Always have sugar in to keep people sweet..." Is that Cryptic for poor scheme designed to appease masses?

I believe it's a start. Society, Hyndburn has to get a grip of chronic housing problems. Parts of Accrington ar boarded up and other parts a places people don't want to live.

SL tries to deal not with stock condition but the people who live in these areas and who have little respect. Landlords have proven not to be responsible in looking after the neighbourhood, ie housing anti social tenants.

Where it needs to go further is stock condition. It's not alright to allow one landlord or person to turn their house into a tip or one that is in need of critical repairs. Other people, owner occupiers, live there too.

There is the supplementary issue then of decent law abiding people only having access to poor and often dangerous properties.

I worry that landlords are still not getting message but still getting their money.

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not according to this news report , Woman on benefits owing £3,500 rent can't be evicted: New European human rights ruling could lead to thousands of tenants refusing to pay

Read more: New ECHR ruling could lead to thousands of tenants refusing to pay rent | Mail Online

think thats something your buddies in the previous Govt. signed up for isn't it .......... so can we assume now that we know you are not in favour of 'deadbeats' you will be working to remove the ' European Human Rights laws from the UK statute books , would probably also help your touted efforts in the Amy Houston case :eek:

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Hmm, quoting the Daily Mail as a case for the prosecution.....dodgy ground, I fear. I think you'll find in this instance it was actually an administrative error which meant her rent should have been paid anyway but she hadn't filled in the right forms.

The respectable landlords want Selective Licensing, it is only the unscrupulous ones who seem to be against it. That really should tell you everything you need to know.

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So am I right in thinking that you agree with the idea that those recieving "free" housing should have their rent deducted at source and the Council/Govt. agency should pay it directly to the landlord :eek:

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Who are you actually rooting for here? The poor tenants who get their free housing money taken off them before they get it or the poor landlords who may not get their money because of 'deadbeats' who don't need to pay thanks to the Court of Human Rights?

State your case properly and I'll give you a straight answer.

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just rooting for fairplay ... if you sign an agreement to rent a place you should have a reasonable expectation that the rent will be paid ... offer /acceptance etc. ... think its called contract law .
Your a self employed businessman you provide your services and the client says ok thanks , but I'm not paying you I'm skint and thats fine with you ? or do you require some money up front, or just hope to God that they have the 'morals' and pay whats due ... who suffers ? you and your family .
maybe a bad example , you go to the Cinema , pay up front and its a crap movie , do you really expect your money back , same with "pub grub" where it's requird you pay when ordeing and the food in your opinion is rubbish ... its all relative .

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I think we're singing the same tune then.

Having seen the squalour that passes for 'habitable' in the eyes of certain rogue landlords I am heavily in favour of tighter regulation which makes things better for the tenants, some of who have little option but to go into the private rental sector in order to find a home.

Property management has risks involved and anyone who doesn't understand this really shouldn't be in the business but for every one decent landlord who ensures good standards there are several who use the holes in the system to get rich at the expense of their tenants.

I've seen it first hand many times, it really really needs to stop.

As someone that has rented over nearly 10 years & and also been on benefits, during part of that time, I always had the money paid straight to my landlord, it saved me worrying about late payments, being tempted if a bit short, however, if once you start work & the Council is a little slow in adjusting it's payments & your landlord thinks, what the heck, a double whammy! My tenant & the Council are paying me I'm saying nothing, guess who the Council claim against?
Here's a clue, it isn't the landlord.

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If housing benefit is paid whilst you were working and shouldnt have been then I'm afraid your wrong Less, it most definately would be the landlord that gets the overpayment notice.

I can assure you that it wasn't my landlord they called into their office, it wasn't my landlord that was given a caution and it wasn't my landlord that was interviewed on tape.
It was me, fortunately I was able to get my landlord to admit that the overpayment was paid to him & fortunately he agreed to pay the money back, otherwise it would have been me they would have taken to court.
Even if the payment is direct to the landlord the person held responsible is the claiming tenant, I know this to be correct as it happened to me.

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I got a letter through the shop door to inform me that the council is now going to have selective licencing from 1st December 2012. I'm guessing the shop is one of the areas concerned, does that mean I have to check my landlord is licenced from that date ? :D

On a serious note, I hope this means the start of cleaning the town up and many of the problems moving to other towns where they don't have licencing :)

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Here's a link to the map - Peel Street is not one of the areas involved, it's all private housing not the town centre.

Selective Licensing Consultation Findings

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Here is a scanned copy of the letter that came through my door the other day

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Yeh we also got one.WHY?:confused:

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They were sent to all residents and businesses for information, even if not likely to be included. As a landlord with one property I have been trying to keep up to speed with all this through its various incarnations. Let's hope they have got it right this time. Fortunately my house is not involved so I won't have to pay, probably wouldn't anyway as I rent to a relative and family member renting is exempt.

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Nothing personal but I see that as a loophole thats going to get exploited

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You can bet it will be exploited when our MP's and Lords catch on to it!..:)

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It looks like a "Get Out Of Jail" card fer em to me.:eek: