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Is this an insult to Muslims, or as the army says, replicating the environment our troops are likely to find themselves in whilst serving in Afghanistan?

BBC News - Army builds 'mosques' on North Yorkshire firing range

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Our troops should have every facility available during training to replicate the evironment in which they will be expected to do their duty.
Replication of Belfast streets were common at training establishments throughout the UK during the IRA troubles - did anyone protest about them?

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I assume that this is to get the troops used to sighting in an area with a sand coloured backdrop rather than the rich vegitation of Yorkshire. Only a small part of that building would be in their sights anyway.
If they had wanted to create offensive targets, they could have done a lot worse.

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It depends whether or not they're recreating buildings to represent 'friendly fire' targets as well.

:rolleyes:

http://images.travelpod.com/users/da...0.p1010206.jpg

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Yet another

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Lets face it it don't take much to get some Muslims hot under the collar does it

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for a second there i thought somone had flown the english flag in england although i do see it a waste to build a mosque to shoot up as im sure if asked teh muslim comunity of the united kingdom would offer up one of theirs to help aid the battle that is freeing their people from oppression and tirany

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I find It strange to show an Allan Pinkerton backdrop to this thread or are you someway related to Andrew Carnigie:confused::confused:

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Any chance we could welcome the Army to Higher Antley St in about two years time for a bit of target practice?

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No, and neither am I a naturalised citizen of the United States of America, unlike Pinkerton and Carnegie.

;)

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Barnes Wallace tested his 'Bouncing Bombs' in the UK before the Dam Busters presented them to the Germans, so what's the problem?

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Mosques are not usually built facing a Dam.

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They should wind their necks in, quit bleating about it or leave the Country ! Once again a minority of whining Muslims claim to speak for every other Muslim in the country, how many Muslim Service men have used these ranges in preparation for a tour without a comment ? There is a CQBR (Close Quarter Battle Range) set up down Norfolk way to represent an Afghan/Iraqi village that is used to train our Lads & Lasses, don't recall any complaints about that !

Soldiers on exercise at mock Afghan village in Norfolk - British Army Website (British Army STANTA)

When Training for Northern Ireland we had a CQBR area laid out to represent an Irish village, there was a church on a hill in the village & "Terrorists" would rise up from behind grave stones & the section would have to take them out. Another religious Icon used in a military setting, not a peep ! as it helped to train troops & assisted in saving lives when the boys were on the streets for real.

There is no way our Military or the Government should be apologising to these people, anything that helps to prepare our Lads & Lasses for what they're undertaking I'm all for it if it helps to bring them back safely & if it offends some tough, they chose to live in our Land of Milk, Honey & Benefits, live with it !! If you can't...... well you know were the Airport is !!!

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I'll post this again.
Part of Enoch Powell's speech on immigration.
He was right.
Retlaw.

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Muslims blowing up crap in Russia ... in Pakistan ... in London .... in the US .... causing problems in China ... who gives a shlt that their sensitivities are being offended.

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My sentiments exactly, paramount is best possible preparation fer our lads,n i'm sure many muslims think the same, theres ******* in every walk of life.:rolleyes:

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as long as our lads remember to take their boots off before entering i dont see a problem

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If they don't insist on it being full where's the problem :confused:

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I am under the impression that religious buildings need 'consecration' before they are 'holy'.
Do muslims do that?
If 'yes' - they needn't take offence because it is a cardboard mock up and nothing more, so playing soldiers in it is not desicration.

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wonder what they would say if it were the other way round, they wouldnt complain then would they??!! :)

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Course they wouldn't, they've turned enough beautiful churches into mosques.......well that in itself offends me :mad:

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exactly! at least we dont knock thier mosques down for our churches but sometimes i wonder if this would be a good idea............................they may think abit more before they speak!!!:mad:

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Now there's a thought :D :D

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Someone who claims to speak for many, even though he wasn't elected to that position, claims offence, and for fear of being labelled racist, apologies are hastily issued, and the offensive 'mosques' are dismantled.

'The Ministry of Defence apologised after a Muslim group complained that structures used on an Army firing range resembled mosques.'
The Press Association: Apology over firing range 'mosques'

Strangely there were no cries of outraged protest from Italy, where the domed roof was first mastered by the Romans, many centuries before the birth of Muhammad and the founding of Islam, or even any protest from Israel, again where generic domed roofs are a common sight.

Odd that.

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Our soldiers are the best, they can recognise a friendly dome from miles away.

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Interesting concept - how exactly are we going to fill these churches, considering that there don't seem to be enough Christians in this country to fill the ones we've got (which is why the muslims are turning them into mosques). :rolleyes:

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It always makes me smile when we hear these Muslim extremist trying to justify their actions, when they say they are taking retribution for the USA and GB killing their Muslim brothers and sisters, when in fact Muslims are killing Muslims every day day of the week

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if we hadnt knocked/closed these churches over the years maybe more people would still be interested in going to church as they have been brought up :rolleyes:

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Why do you think they were closed in the first place? Because not enough people were attending them. Still plenty of churches left, but I don't see 'em queueing up to get in.

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Quite right Wyn, when I was at school, we had a mass register taken every Monday morning, and Every Sunday there were 4 masses 8am, 9am, 10am and 11am and nearly every one was, now here are just two one on Saturday Evening and 10am Sunday and we've lost one of the biggest churches in Hyndburn when Sacred Heart closed, sign of the times

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most of them get turned into houses not mosques with very good end results and if god dosnt like this he can show his face for once and do somthing about it but i wouldnt hold your breath lol

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One of 'em near me been turned into a pub! Now that sort of change I like! :D

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http://www.whychurch.org.uk/images/c..._att_trend.png

Though apparently Christian churches are still popular places for traditionalist members of the English Defence League to have their wedding snaps taken.

:rolleyes:

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I have an idea, but some might not like it, fill them with all the Religious Fanatics of all races, lock the doors and set fire to them, maybe then, we'll have peace on Earth.

:eek:

No we won't, we still have to fight for the Oil, sorry, wrong again.
:)

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if all goes well in teh falklands we may no longer need to rely on backward countries for their oil but thats only if somehow we can defeat argentina if they decide to insist the falklands are theirs again lol

then again i cant see government reducing costs of fuel simply because its too great an income for them and far be it from me to hint that polotitions are greedy but they are a filthy self indulgant breed who arnt happy until everyone is bled dry

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I'm sure neither heth nor myself mentioned congregations (or lack of them), it was just a statement...........I'm sure that these buildings could be used for lots of things, which has happened in the past. I don't see why we have mosques on every other corner, and getting bigger as we speak.

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you cant have a muslim state unless you have an adequate amount of mosques for us all to go to when the day eventualy comes :confused:

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So what's the point of knocking down mosques and building churches if the number of church-goers is going down? :confused:

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dont build new churches seems to be the most logical idea infact if any religion wants a new place of worship let their god provide it and again i advise not to hold your breath waiting

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Would agree. Far more worrying is the number of pubs closing down! :eek:

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How did this conversation get to knocking down anything :confused:

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Luckily Methodists in Clitheroe have managed to find someone to buy and use their redundant church.

Officers approve mosque in Clitheroe (From Lancashire Telegraph)

:D

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Now that is a concern Wyn, and also the price of the commodity they sell:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Well they have one thing in common, neither are supposed to drink alcohol:D

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...and just you watch those fish bones.

Tonight be Friday.

;):D

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dont know, far as I can see LYNX1 and myself were just giving our opinion...............:D:confused::D

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Well, yes, you did give an opinion, both of you and although it is allowed for ladies to have an opinion here in the Church of Accyweb, you should realise it is well, shall we say, frowned upon by the higher echelon for you to actually give it.

:hidewall:

I think you may find you started the ball rolling with this post:-

:)

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ob ladies talk sense.............heeheehee joke!!!!!!

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What?...you've forgotten already what you said about knocking down mosques? Your short-term memory problems are worse than mine! ;)

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Bingo:rolleyes::D

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sorry knocking down what?? who are you?? what we talking about??!!??!! :tongueout

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Maybe church services should be held in the pubs, which though still losing clients are better attended than the church. I wonder why? Did the long range snipers have a go at this "Mosque" by any chance?

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Saw the same thing up at Aberdeen a couple of years ago, City full of Churches, one or two were still being used as designed, but several others we saw were, an Antiques dealer, Gothic/Fantasy Pub (Slains Castle), wine Bar/Bistro & another was a Library. Those were just the ones we saw on our travels, apparently there are more around the City.

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Looking at the Range set up, it looks like a pop up target appears between the "Mosques" & the rifleman has to shoot said target during the time of exposure. They also appear to have a running man target that runs between the "Mosques" while between he's fair game, but once "Inside" he's off limits. The Soldier must then bide his time waiting for the next Target.

All standard CQBR practices & as stated are usually set up to resemble the relevant combat area the Soldier will be fighting & Patrolling in.

With the new 50' calibre Sniper Rifle, if he'd been having a pop at the "Mosque" there wouldn't be a great deal left over.

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If they feel that we Christians insult them, we Chrstaians will not stop them from returning to Muslim countries of their choice.
They chose to come here so adapt to our way of life, and our customs. Notice I do nt say our religion whatever it may be. That is freedom of choice - almost democaracy.

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Should you so desire to see how effective a 50' Cal is in the Sniper role read this & view the clip. (PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS CLIP IS NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH, IT SHOWS ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF SNIPERS DOING THEIR JOB)

(link removed as not suitable for our family site)

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Sorry Dave but cannot acess the video. However, I have seen a pic of a terrorist that had been hit in the head by a .50 calibre round - gruesome, but yea shall reap what you sow.
I once witnessed the effect of a Colt Armalite, with nylon tip insert round, blow a bloody great hole in a coconut palm. I was Soooo scared of them after that and itwas our friends selling them to the Indonesians.

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But they are being built in this DAMNED country!

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Sorry Stumped, but this is not a "Damned Country" - this is the Sceptered Isle, set in a Silver'd Sea - our England - Yes, Perfidious Albion, but England, for all thy faults I love thee still.

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You forgot to mention 'And a benefits magnet for every Fritz, Goran and Abdul who cares to take advantage of the unfettered bonanza courtesy of the UK tax-payer!' Lol.

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Touche - with an accent over the e :-))

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Just put it in google next time, they'll stick one on for nowt.
:)


touché

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Careful, this might ruin our nice-guy image, eh:D

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Search me...I've been up the pub. :drunk:

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...but not quite enough to live here, eh, Barrie? ;)

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Doubt it very much, looking at it I'd definitely say you're still the nice guys. I mean, when you've got Vermin.... you call in the exterminators right ?? So when they turn up & get the Job done you're just real Happy about it !!

Temp dumping ground I will remove later
 

What planet have you been on that went out over 40 years ago:p

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sorry, but I would have thought Army shooting ranges were "off limits " to civilians (Mullahs) , so who has complained ? a member of HMs forces ? would think if that is the case the complainer is wearing the wrong uniform :confused::confused:

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Just had another look at the title of the thread .... and in answer to the implied question: it is not an insult to muslims; it's an insult to that active, vocal, twisted minority of muslims who feel that they are on this planet for the sole purpose of being insulted by christmas trees, second hand bacon smoke, third rate novels, Danish cartoons, and probably the Canadian women's hockey team.

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I would love to live back there and may do so in a year or so - my late wife did not like the changes we had seen in UK over the last 20 years or so of working overseas, so we bought a house in France
We abided by the laws and customs of wherever we were. If we wanted to go to Church in Saudi, the only places where you could do that was in one of the Christian Embassies.
I do expect immigrants to UK to follow our laws and customs, and not try and change things to suit their particular needs.
The 20 years does not include the 18 year of Military Service.

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Normally not ! perhaps some civilian employers may work on the Ranges but they are usually vetted. Apparently there is a road that runs nearby & it was from there they were seen.

Anyway its all crap as I stated earlier the targets appear between the buildings, Mr. Ishtiaq Ahmed the vocal indignant one, representing "Bradford Council for Mosques" (this of somewhat lesser importance than the assumed Muslim Nation) apparently likes the sound of his own voice, hence the outrage & condemnation.

His statement :-

'Anyone looking at it will think about mosques and Muslims and think about them in a negative way.'

Sadly that is already the case due to people like Mr. Ishtiaq Ahmed & others like him, who continually bleat on about their religion being victimized & Demonized ! Well who's fault is that ? You stop blowing up innocents & people may well start to listen, the IRA eventually got the message but that was to late for the countless victims & their families.

As often enough mentioned, should people not like the British way of life & doing things feel free to leave ! I do believe there is a very good Airport at Leeds/Bradford ! right on Mr. Ahmeds doorstep .......... TAXI !!!

British army using replica mosques for target practice « Aftermath News

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Just to get back on track here, if they've got a problem with the Military using cut outs that (ALLEGEDLY) represent Mosques. I don't recommend a Holiday trip to Belgium this Summer & it seems like other European Countries may well be following suit. Maybe other Countries Politicians are beginning to take note of their electorate after all ?

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | World News :: Belgium heading for first burka ban

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Do you actually think that will ever happen in this country Dave, hell will freeze over first:)

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If they insist on using mosques to hide in and to use as a base for terrorist activities then we should also be able to use them to practise.

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I would like to think that one of the pretenders to the throne of No. 10, would actually realise they've passed from silly little School boys & are now classed as Men. That means they should've grown some by now. So if they want the accolades, they should be prepared to make some hard & painful decisions for the benefit of the people who put them there !!

Still like you say, I won't be planning a Skiing Holiday in Hell just yet or for the foreseeable future, sadly.

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Whoever wins the election will make no difference in this direction, because unfortunately its gone to far one and in a lot of cases entrenched in legislation, in any case it wouldn't be a question of whats right for the country, the race card would be flying out from the pages of the Guardian and Independent:rolleyes:

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did you know that the race card was origionaly white as it was the only colour they found they could use without someone moaning their skin colour been used until somone asked why it wasnt black ,yellow,brown or red so the race card scheme was abandoned as it was discovered that no matter what colour was used somone would have some problem or other with it.

green was considered for a short while along with many other colours but as of yet no one can say for definate what colour an aliens skin will be should they ever visit and dare not risk a racial incident upon first contact :D

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is that true?..it don't mention it on "wikki"..;)

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You'll have to nip on and edit it then Mancie:rolleyes:

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Is Europe starting to stand up for itself at long last ? Don't really like the French but credit where due !
French to ban Muslim women from wearing veil - Telegraph

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Never happen here Dave

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Turkey, which is a predominantly Muslim faith country, is a secular society, that bans the wearing of headscarves in public schools, and all public buildings.

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Ya but it will never happen here:rolleyes:

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Similar action in Belgium - how long before it becomes an EU Directive?

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I wonder if either Jones, Buckley or any of the other candidates would be prepared to favour the banning of the Burkas in their election leaflets?

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i dont see why they shoudlnt be banned as they have absolutely nothing to do with their faith its simply to show respect to their husbands so unless the husbands are going to start wearing them i assume it means they have no respect for their wives.

unless of course somone has an english translation from the quaran handy saying women shoudl cover their faces that is.

alas this topic has been talked about many times here and elswhere and as of yet we have yet to have any government to show any backbone at all and at least ban them in public especially when driving a car

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Granville might. Here's an excerpt from UKIP's Mini Manifesto:

15 Culture & Restoring Britishness
· End support for multiculturalism and promote one shared British culture for all
· Be fair to England by introducing an ‘English Parliament’, ending the discriminatory Barnett Formula and
making St George’s Day a national holiday in England
· Ban the burka and veiled niqab in public buildings and certain private buildings
· Require UK schools to teach Britain’s contribution to the world and celebrate cultures, languages and
traditions from around the British Isles
· Scrap political correctness in public affairs

http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPMiniman2010web.pdf

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ahh but the problem is as soon as you introduce anything vaguley along those lines the other partys brand you racist scum and teh press jumps on board and yur party is screwed

im not supporting ukip or teh bnp but the main partys conservitive and labour could do with borrwing at least some of tehir policies.

lol i nearly added lib dems there but lets be real they aint a main party and never will be lol

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southpark has hit the headlines again ...

BBC News - South Park creators warned over Muhammad depiction

i dont watch it ....

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Aye, I know what UKIP's policy is...but what have Jones and Buckley to say? The simple answer is nowt - they are too afraid of losing the Muslim vote. Quite a contrast to our French & Belgian neighbours, whose politicians have reached cross-party concensus on banning the burka in public.

Still, I don't have a vote in Hyndburn; mine is in LBTH and at the moment it's war down here. Jihad George (Galloway) has mobilised his mob and they are out intimidating every poor sod on the streets. I won't bother with the stories - this site, afterall, is all about Accy. But just hope that what is now happening down here will never happen there.

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If I remember correctly - the Koran states (bear in mind that there are so many translations of it, and it is all hearsay), women should clothe themselves modestly and cover their hair with veils, asathe sight of it can incite men to lust after them.
It is a long time since i read a translation of it so I may not be totally accurate - do we have any Muslin members who can tell us what is said in the Koran.

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"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

There's nothing in the Quran requiring women to cover their heads, arms, or legs. The edicts regarding Hijab were issued by later religious scholars. Just as many rules regarding Christianity came about centuries after it's founder's death.

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good on em i hope they tell the moaners to sod off in much stronger terms its not illigal to draw a picture of mohamhead or even to poke fun at him its just that some decide to get excited and make death threats on behalf of tehir peace loving prophet

edit:

i didnt even need to read teh article to know violence was threatened :rolleyes:

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Not sure if you've all seen this or not, but it looks like France are not just paying lip service about an issue they're actually enforcing a law.

French driver fined for wearing niqab | Reuters

And just underneath the article there's this, quite an interesting attitude but if it'll take effect ?

France wants to apply burqa ban to tourists | Reuters

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i dont see why they cant because every other law they have is applicable to tourists and if tourists dont like it they can sod off on holiday somewhere else.Besided whos really going to stop france because if europe says no france will stick two fingers up at europe and do it anyway just like they did when testing nukes in the sea lol.A tourist couple have recently been jailed for kissing in public in dubai becaus eit is illigal there so whats teh difference?

its abit of a poor do though isnt it when the french can get it right yet we cant

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While local councils & Governments tend to worry to much about offending "Minority Groups" they are neglecting the vast majority of Christians, as far as I know UK is still classed as a Christian Country, so instead of worrying about the others what about the other side of the coin ?

Diplomat disciplined over Pope memo is named - Telegraph

But then again we tend not to matter, or so it appears ! How about a bit of balance ?

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Try saying that to Kev the Rev' he is big ot the moment and at least as extreme as any Mullah.
:)

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I'm afraid the problems facing Hyndburn cannot be solved by daily prayer or smoothed over with 'God works in mysterious ways'. We need facts and figures, not blind faith.

I'm not knocking those who find solace in religion but it's the root cause of pretty much every war there's ever been and is no basis for a stable government.

Having read the comments of Mr Logan's flock, it seems that only the most devout Christians will take his party remotely seriously.

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I thought I had said that in fewer words?


Are you in training to be one of those long winded Politico types?
:)

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Ooh, get you.

I've had 32 years' training to get to this level, I'll have you know.