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What a brilliant analogy.

The Koh-i-Noor, the biggest and best diamond ever found, relentlessly re-shaped by people who thought they knew how it should look in public and eventually nothing like how it originally was.

A bit like listening to your spin doctors and Google Page Ranking men before a live TV debate.

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Spot on Ken, the days of great orators has long gone, mores the pity, when I started in politics in the early 60s, GE candidate spoke at public meetings, got on their soap box on the market, and knew how to play to the audience, without out prompting from the wings by spin doctors, in fact if spin doctor had been mentioned in those days we'd have thought it was a guy who mended the new type washer-spindryers:D

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Hell's bells.

Your Conservative soap boxers in those days must have been mind numbingly boring, and certainly didn't know how to hold much of a crowd.

Considering the fallow period, between 1931 and 1983, when Accrington/Hyndburn didn't return a Conservative M.P.

Those poor beggars could probably have benefited from a bit of spin...or balloons, or something else eye-catching, to grab folks attention.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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That's probably why there was always a massive crowd round Uncle Dick's on the market in the '60's.

It was that, or listening to some toff in a pin stripe drone on from his husting.

:D

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On the contrary Garinda, it was quite fun at both Conservative and Labour hustings, but of course that was before your time you were probably still running round with dirty jeans on and jam round your mouth:D

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Oh yes, forgive me for not being politically aware until 1970, when I was five.

Though I never wore jeans as a child. Shorts being much more practical than long trousers.

;)

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Enoch Powel tried it and was admonished for it. His prophesies, though sincerely delivered, have yet to materialise. I wait with baited breath!

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this is for Nick Clegg in advance of his debate tonight - hope he's watching-
YouTube - The Beatles - Money (STEREO / HQ)

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Sadly the grass has started growing again outside my gaff and needs watching, besides that bet Mancie will be doing exactly the same as me watching channel 5 from around eight till ten tonight:D

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what channel n time is it on tonight? just looked n no mention of it.:confused:

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sky

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Sky news channel at 8pm ... and if you dont have sky news then its being shown on BBC2 at 11.30pm ...

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It's also reportedly on the BBC News channel at the same time or you can listen to it on Radio 4 which is 92-95FM (or 198LW if anyone still actually does tune in that way!!!).

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cheers martin. that seems tactical by the politicos to me, as many aint got sky.:(:rolleyes:

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Atlectico V Liverpool -Channel Five 8.05 kick off
Hamburg V Fulham- ESPN 8.05 kick off :D:D

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Not really, it wasn't ultimately their decision. The idea was to make it fair to the main broadcasters but also reach the widest audience which is why there is a certain amount of collaboration involved between the BBC, ITV and Sky.

Don't get used to it.

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whats wrong wi making it fair to majority of electorate? oh forgot.......sod all to do wi them.:rolleyes:

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Once again, I shall be watching CIS on 5USA; that is all about fictional criminals getting caught, unlike those three real-life ones on Sky TV this evening who will be getting away with fraud, embazelment, perjury and High Treason.

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well its foreign policy tonight .. so think mancie has the right idea ..:D:D:D

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hi cashie
it is truly amazing isn't it
FA cup ('cause it matters) is always terrestrial
Queen's speech the same
Party political broadcasts 'cause 'they' want everyone to know!!!
THEN - 'cause they're all in a tight corner it goes Sky where the viewing audience is a lot less - and innaccessible to the public who can't afford!!
It all boils down to one thing - and I'll think about that in a minute :(

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I like the way you think on this one, eh. I have a choice among Philadelphia Flyers v. New Jersey Devils; Ottawa Senators v. Sid the Kid and the Pittsburgh Penguins; Chicago Blackhawks v. Nashville; Colorado v. San Jose .... :D Political debates would be much more fun if there was the kind of full contact you get in hockey:rolleyes:

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somehow lost the thread
anyway I was saying - 'they' can put FA cup on terrestrial ('cause it matters)
the Queens speech ('cause it doesn't) and party political broadcasts ('cause 'they' want everyone to hear them - but what it all boils down to is that 'they' are all in a tight corner and timing is of the essence so broadcast to the lesser ------- do they think we're stupid - anycase 'feel this' -
YouTube - Don't Fence Me In - Bing Crosby & The Andrews Sisters

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Holy feces! That Clegg guy is on CBC TV right now .... what a clown ... does this idiot actually lead a major political party?

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Can't understand that Ken ?
are you saying that that the way to reach the widest audience is by tuning into Sky??
(do you have shares in the company?)
I must admit I do not know the statistics - perhaps you could enlighten me/us?
Martin
(no karma I'm afraid - you see I'm learning)

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I just can't be arsed to take heed of the political crap currently being spouted both on the air and in the newspapers. Don't these clowns know that the more they rant on about what they will or won't do for us (or rather for themselves), the less we believe anything that they say. I've had enough now, but after another two weeks of political bilge, I expect to be suicidal!

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yer looking at it the wrong way mate, i watch cos it re-enforces me view, that none of ems worth getting a vote. plus the amusement value to me is immense.:D

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Absolutely, my friend. If it wasn't so serious though, it would be laughable to watch the three combatants continuing with the cabaret act that should have long ago been confined to the dustbin of history.

I would ask again: 'Where will we find the statesman with enough bottle to stand up for the rights of the UK - and for the England that I love in particular?'

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never mind Mr stumped
here's a song to cheer you up
YouTube - Daniel O'Donnell "Be Not Afraid"

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Excuse me - I've just thrown up!

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ya won't mate, seem to remember 1 back in 70s that did, but his own party turned n exiled him.:rolleyes:

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sorry Mr stumped -
hope you weren't sick after that
Martin

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I said 'yuk' - you are overdoing the youtube rather:rolleyes:

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Old Enoch will be laughing his socks off up there in the ether.

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Good on you Stumpie
that must rate as one of the worst entries yet?? I'm doomed -- infamy - 'they'll' all be in for me.
Martin

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I rather think we will all be doomed, come the election result!

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sorry Margaret R
YouTube - carpenters -We've Only Just Begun

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Yer getting 'owd, Cashy - it was '68 when Heath and co exiled EP.

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oops
another clanger
I defer to your superiority
Martin
and of course the forum rules.
I do enjoy serious discussion so if you would like to engage me in anything scientific ('cause that's my bag) I would be delighted - you can choose what branch and we can go from there.
I do try to be a little light -hearted but I can see 'where you are coming from' - (sorry about the cliche.) and sorry if you have found offence where it wasn't intended.

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Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with injecting the odd bit of humour into a thread that's got bogged down in seriousness.

It does become a little tiresome to wade through a thread, when every other post is comic chatter, or yet another unrelated YouTube clip.

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Ever the pessimistic optimist, I tuned into Sky3 for the Lion Man and got the debate instead. After half an hour I gave up as, like last time, they spoke a load of political gobblegook that neither answered the questions put, nor explained what they would do if elected to office. The whole charade is nothing but a scam intended to engage the electorate in the petty squabbles of the contenders, but has so far failed on every count.

I believe it was Sergeant Wilson in Dad's Army who uttered the prophetic words (though I stand to be corrected): "We're doomed, Captain Mainwearing. We're doomed

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I thought it was hilarious, need summat now monty python is long gone, personally tonight, thought Brown finished well ahead, Cameron 2nd, n fer me Clegg was a complete joke. IMHO. as i expected the polls which are governed by ******* for ******* showed the opposite, which amuses me even more.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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I didn't watch the debate last week. But I watched most of it tonight. Whilst the format of the debate is not really Gordon Brown's forte, nevertheless I thought he came out of it quite well. The point he made about substance over style is bang on in my opinion.

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That i can agree with.

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It was the dour Private Frazer, played by John Laurie, who had that as his catchphrase.

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watched the debate live on one of our Govt./Congressional channels (Cspan) seemed to me the Lib-Dem guy was running for the job of State Governor (United States of Europe) similar job as Arnold here in California and not as the Prime Minister of a Soveriegn State , guess when you have a Dutch mother , a Russian grandparent,and a Spanish wife one would tend to have divided loyalties .

Pity no live questions were allowed , it would have been interesting if any of the three could have answered the question during the energy supplies bit ..."how much was the last gas/electric bill you recieved for your home ? or how many and what colour are the bins/boxes/sacks you put out every bin day ?

:confused: :D

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Live questions?

You're having a laugh.

Live applause might be a start.

'The rules are that an audience member asks a preselected question. Each of the leaders replies in turn for a minute, without interruption. Each then responds in turn to the others' answers for one minute, again without interruption. There can then, "on merit", be "up to four minutes" of "free debate", the only part of the proceedings which actually appears to involve the leaders talking to each other.'

'No applause or heckling will be allowed – and critically, there seems little or no provision for follow-up questions, either by the audience or the moderator.'
Big fight on the small screen - Telegraph

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It now appears that only 4million watched this nonsense on t'telly last night; that's less than watch the adverts on the shopping channel. I wonder when messrs Brown, Clegg and Cameron will get the hint that most are bored by their antics and a period of silence from them would now be most welcome.

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This time it was difficult to decide who came out best,however like Camerons policy in terms of the 8,ooo pounds to pay for your care in later life if you require it to protect what you have worked for all your life.

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yeh great.pair that wi the £6.500 ya will need fer insulation n everybodys laughing.:rolleyes:

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yeh when you have said worked all yer life, PAID national insurance, hardly been a drain on the health service, which many aint, thats a real bargain.:(

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wasnt it the tories that made people sell tehir homes to pay for care in teh first place despite people paying NI all tehir lives and tax ?

mind you if thats the case labour havnt changed anything while they have been in power so there both just as bad

£8000 wouldnt last long either because the last time i heard how much a care home costs per week for a resident it was around the £500 mark so after a few months somone would be required to still sell tehir home and spend all tehir savings etc that they had worked all tehir lives for to leave somthing for their children.

some may not agree but i think if you need to go into a care home the govenment should pay for it and not punish people for been sensible with tehir money i just find it wrong that somone who has never worked or paid any contributions can go straight into a care home paid for by teh govenment yet somone who has been productive in society,paid NI and taxes and been sensible with their money shoudl have to resort to guessing when they will die and signing all their possesions over to tehir children 7 years before tehir death to avoid loosing everything they worked hard for paying for either care homes or loosing most of it in inheritance tax

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This seven years you have discussed is not water tight now and under the present government they would take all your money. I believe your care should be free as it is in Scotland however what im trying to say is that at least paying 8.ooo means you will never after contribute anymore if it runs out in the time you need care, kind of an insurance policy so you can leave your home or income to your loved ones.

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With the retirement age raised to 70
...and the population being dosed with 'cholestrol reducing' and 'blood pressure reducing' drugs (whether they are sick or not),
...and the lowering of the nutritional value of food,
...and the restriction of access to alternative/natural medicine,

I seriously doubt that there will be many who will live long enough to get their £8000 worth of care, or even draw a retirement pension
....and I think that the government realise this.

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Its predicted that their will be an massive increase in people with dementia and these types of conditions with people living longer also early on-set of these dis-orders.

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So they want to scare you into parting with £8000, when many will die from pharmacutical drug induced illness before they reach the dementia stage.

It's just a con named eugenics

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Its already happening now people are becoming younger with early on-set of these dis-orders.

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Perhaps you may want to edit that:D
..it appears that dementia is the elixir of youth:D

Poor diet, pharma drugs, pollution, cause most dementia
....the very things that are being inflicted on society
....old age does not send you gaga

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Possibly you are correct on this count however i still believe that paying the 8,ooo is a small price to pay for long term care against paying possibly thousands of pounds that you have worked hard for all your life. Still believe it should be free and we should look after our elderly in this country, and when your paying 500 pounds per week it would soon eat into your hard earned money.Under this present government they would take all your money, it doesnt seem a fair system by far to me.

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Many forms are hereditary.

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..and of course you believe that :rolleyes:
..because they need you to

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Its fact, just has heart disease,breast cancer etc.

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The inheritance factor is propounded by those who want to conceal the true causes.

Both my parents died of cancer, one related to steroid overprescribing, and the other from Sellafield radiation. I am avoiding both forms of poison.

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Cheers. I stand corrected.

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you have spouted some crap but that is teh most ludricous comment i have ever seen you post infact a doctor that had teh same thoughts as you nearly cost me my life and my brothers beacuse if i hadnt had been diagnosed by a different doctor and sent to the genetics research hospital my brother wouldnt have been checked either

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Having visited several care-homes over the years, and worked as a handyman in one council run establishment long enough to form an opinion, I witnessed the loss of dignity, etc., that many of the inmates are subjected to, and conclude that I'd rather top myself than be packed off into one of these human 'kennels' - let alone pay for the privilege!

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Originally Posted by turkishdelight http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Many forms are hereditary.



Yes. I've been diagnosed with High blood pressure, my Father has it & also his Father had it too. It was in fact my Fathers Doctor who recommended that his offspring (Me,my Brother) should go & get tested by our relevant Doctors, Bingo ! It also appears I might well be looking forward to other delights too, lucky me !

Our lifestyles are completely different so it has nothing to do with a shared environment, that then leaves a "Hereditary" option as to the reason why I am as I am.

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mines inherited as well .. in fact my mothers brother drowned due to having a fit while swimming ....

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Well Well...according to the Papers...and the Polls...They ALL Won!!...There we are then...who said there cant be a Happy Ending! ...Jackanory makes a comeback!:D


Best Regards - Taggy

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Never liked that in the first place Taggy:D

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LOL!!...No and the New Versions not any better is it Jaysay!! Hee Hee!


Best Regards - Taggy

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Can't say I like, well, two of the presenters:rolleyes:

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I'm not struck on all 3!!! ....We need Bernard Cribbins!!;)


Best Regards - Taggy

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multime...FE_711053a.jpg
Cast your optics on this Taggy:D:D:D

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Lol!...LIke it Jaysay.....just goes to show that even after all these years, a Scarfe is still a good accessory!! ;)

Best Regards - Taggy

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Didn't realise Gerald Scarfe was still at it! Not lost his touch.

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well, that just about does it! - Gordons' gaffe re a working class granny. from 'up North' who, in his esteemed wisdom judged her to be bigoted and then went on to ask who was responsible for putting her in his way -- all this recorded inadvertedly off camera and sound -- or was it??????
Better sort it Labour - I see a huge backlash looming which WILL swing the vote - check tomorrows papers.
Martin

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Yep...i'm afraid its not so much shooting himself in the foot....more like sticking the Gun right in his Gob!!....He's Blown it!


Best Regards - Taggy

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falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
Jack Straw must be shaking in his boots!
Martin

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'Bigot' sounds better than 'silly cow' - class shows ;)

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I agree that the United Nations Organisation and deregulated bus services are not operating for the benefit of mankind:rolleyes:

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Let's see what the 'hacks' make of it -
I can see a canonisation coming up for the poor lady - unless Jack gets to her first - by the way cows are useful - bigots are not ----

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Well lets be honest Martin, ya asked who would come out of there comfort box in the first post, Well ya got yer answer today- Brown sure did.:D

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He ain't got no excuse..they all say stuff off camera and of mic..but to get caught shows bad judgement by Brown and his team.. this would never had happend with Blair and Cambell.. Brown has no political street wise inkling nor do his team..it's all over bar the shouting.:eek:

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as I said ealier " hoist with his own petard "

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sounds painful.:eek:

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It will be next friday when Mr Shifter drops the piano on his foot when removing it out of number ten:D

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as long as he has it shipped n dropped on "Thatchers" Head, i will be more than happy.:D

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Wih his track record he send it to the wrong address:D:p

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Next stop House of Lords ???

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Well after watchings tonights offerings(Glutton fer Punishment):D thought Cameron had some pluses, but more minuses, Brown had his plusses,but less minuses, Clegg was full of problem highlights, which resumate well with knobheads, though anyone with any common, know damn well those problems.:rolleyes: yet he was virtually devoid of solutions, in other words a bigger con man than the other 2, still by telling us the problems will please the dummies n win em a vote or two.:rolleyes:

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thought gordon brown won tonight:) but the tory press had cameron in front:confused: cameron and clegg the tax credit snatchers

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I thought Nick Glegg was brilliant again tonight. Cameron was good too.

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Does that prove me point?:confused::D

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I believe it will now be a Conservative victory, think the Lib Dems will do very well too.Cant wait will be an interesting night.

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LOL thought you would say that when i read your post.

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If that were the case, likelyhood is a hung parliment, hopefully then Brown n Cameron will get the boot, if so British politics would be a much better place.:)

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They might well just scrape a national victory but not enough of one to form a majority government.

Cameron's performance tonight simply highlighted the Tory inability to answer any question.

'Yes or no?'

'Yes or no?

'Yes or no?'

Anyone remember Michael Howard and Paxman? Nothing changes.

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its not n inability Ken, its a Dare Not.:rolleyes:

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Liam Fox was just as bad on Question Time:


AUDIENCE: Are the three main parties planning to raise VAT?

BALLS: No.

AUDIENCE: Immediately after the election? You won't raise VAT?

BALLS: We're not planning to. I answered the question as it was asked.


A smarty pants answer which didn't go down too well, funnily enough.