the BIG three tonight
 

At 20h30 the future of England will be determined - which of them will be radical enough to come out of their comfort boxes to make a real difference to our lives -
we're about to find out.

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I'm afraid it clashes with the Darts!:D

Best Regards - Taggy

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ah shame I hope you win
--and no cheating at the oche
my best wishes to you and I hope you have a 9 darter - that will be the 'pants'
Martin

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I host a quiz night every Thursday which is frustrating because there are two more of these debates to come, all on Thursday nights.

I'm sure a lively debate will be had by all tonight and tomorrow, I look forward to it.

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is there something subliminal in your message - that all will 'not' be sorted tonight?
a dangerous game to play with the British public at large?
good luck with your quiz Ken, at least, there, you will know all the answers -
meant in the best intentions:)
Martin

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I won't be watching because I don't get pleasure from cringing

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Cheers matey. I'm genuinely disappointed to be missing these programmes, they're about the most exciting piece of reality TV we've ever had.

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Maybe after tonight's charade, more people will decide that none of them are worth the bit of pencil graphite they plead for.

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shame on you marge
give um a chance - you never know the holes that they might dig themselves into - and what better entertainment than 'schaudenfreude' -- we've been doing it for years in sitcoms like 'Mr pastry' -
you're right about your quote - DNA replicates at an amazing rate all the way throughout our lives and the body you started with is a million miles away from what you have now.
But - there's hope - the boys in the lab are working on reverse transcriptase therapy which basically means at a certain age you will start to get younger -
and then you start again!
It's called the the Big Bounce Theory much like the Big Bang one --
best wishes
Martin

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Oh i shall, need a laugh, wheres yer sense of humour?:)

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They can all say what they want, they can promise what they think we want, but the acid test will be who do you think is telling the truth(if any of them).

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Its no acid test Margaret, anyone with a grain of sense knows damn well they "ALL" tell porkies.:)

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hello Margaret
you are quite right - let us decide


-----could you have taught Martin Briggs at All Saint's primary? or is Margaret too young for that? Umm interesting.
best wishes
Martin

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Neither - MargP was a nurse and I was a civil servant

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Well i've got Prem Darts on t'internet and the Politicians on tele, wi me on a swivel chair between...wonder which 3 pricks will provide the best entertainment? :D


Best Regards - Taggy

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just a glance at the audience.. not many under the age of 50....(Edit.. 60!)

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Given that the 3 of them are debating to the masses it really just confirms what I alwys thought, they are the 3 biggest mass debaters in the country ;)

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Seems there is a conflict with the NHL Stanley Cup playoff games; so, I will have no time to take any interest in your electioneering ... maybe next time.

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wheres the adverts .:rolleyes:..:D:D:D

well its on itv isnt it ..

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Just switched it off....as dull as dishwater...complete waste of airtime....what on earth has anyone learnt listening to that banal drivel!!


Best Regards - Taggy

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a train driver from accy asking the last question!!!

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nick clegg is getting alot of great points across - he's the one who's going to gain the most - cameron unless he came up with the brilliant performance was always on a lose lose.

everyone's expecting great things from cameron and he isnt delievering. he's looking like being on the ropes. clegg is the one knocking them for six.

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now I'll be honest and say I thought Brown would be slaughtered but not so.. Cameron said everything people want to hear in the fantasy land same as Nick Clegg.. maybe bias but everything Cameron proposed would cost billions..at the same time the tories say they will cut costs and taxes?.. don't work out.

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Yes, I am fairly sure they will.
After all they all tell us what they think we want to hear until they get into power and then they do as they damn well like.

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brown came out fighting. cameron i think let it slip. clegg had low expectation so only had to turn up to look good.

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Agree with you.

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according to sky however they're saying cameron was just as much on a win streak as clegg!!

dont know which debate they saw. cameron was shifting and looking uncomfortable. gordon was throwing the punches at cameron and teaming up with clegg whenever he could.

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nick Clegg for me-
mind you -first round-

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Sky, Sun, Mail, Express, Star and the vast majority of the media are outright bang on Tory.. they only report good for the Tories..there you go.

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i think itv news got it right saying clegg had taken it by a wide margin...

its a shame when papers cant report honestly something the whole uk could see happening - the tory's taking a pasting.

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same old story.. same old crap... I suspect the Tories on here would like to deflect their massive cuts in spending, when at the same time talking about maintaining and even improving services in the Police, NHS,and Crime.. it just does not add up.. and if the tories or lib dems are serious about improving these services then they should be honest about how much it will cost and tell us were the cuts will be.

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how times change.. the tories now propose to dump the British nuclear defence when Iran, India, Korea and China are upgrading their nuclear weapons.. good policy or not?

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My honest opinion, thought was very little between Brown n Cameron whatever yer political views, thought Clegg fell at the first fence, too much telling us what we are already aware of n not enough substance as to how they would do things, the fact that Clegg came out ahead in the poll, demonstrates to me at least, what knobheads are in this country,:rolleyes:

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I thought Britain's Got Talent didn't start until Saturday?

Did any of them break down in show bizzy tears?

I didn't watch it.

Ok, I briefly channel hopped, when the ads came on Country House Rescue.

Personally I couldn't give two hoots which leader has the most charisma, who had the sweatiest upper lip, or who develops a facial tic when under pressure.

Much more interesting, than this Americanised talent contest, is what is in each party's manifesto.

Content, rather than surface fluff.

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I probably would have tuned in to see Brown and Cameron do a Stavros Flatley routine, followed by Clegg doing a throaty, strangely geriatric, rendition of I Could Have Danced All Night.

:rolleyes:

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if only tony blair had this in 1997.

he would've given us a tap dance routine too.

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didnt even bother with it, dont know whether this was a good idea or not........:)

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didnt even bother with it, dont know whether this was a good idea or not........

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Cameron or (AKA main skag dealer at Eton) talked rubbish ..he got hammered!

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Of course it's good policy. If the time ever comes that those things have to be used, the world as we know it will already starting its journey down the celestial toilet, and the fat lady will be into her second aria.

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one correction , Iran does not have nuclear weapons , both India and Pakistan have the "bomb" don't see anyone complaining about this .....and lets not get into the Israeli bomb ....... funny how the "West" and its bought and paid for whore politicians for never complain about this .:confused:

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India's ok .... they got a lot of their early nuclear technology from us peace loving Canadians:D Talking of peaceful Canadians and their innocent pastimes; are you following the hockey?

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I heard the first half hour on Radio 4 and my first impression was that David Cameron had been severely reined in by his Google Page Ranking boys although by 9pm he was clearly champing at the bit to attack someone.

Gordon Brown came across as an erudite speaker who knew his stuff was very clear about where he wanted to go with Great Britain.

Nick Clegg couldn't help but look good as it's the biggest exposure he's ever had on national television. To be fair to him, it wasn't as much waffle and 'Britain needs change, we can offer change without being specific' guff as I expected.

Of course, it could all have degenerated into a big fight after I switched off but I didn't have the opportunity to find out.

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as far as Cleggs NO Neuclear stance goes, i think that is stupid, back in 60s i was "Anti Neuclear" even went on C.N.D. march one year, my view has changed, down to the simple fact, the world has, these days too many unstable governments have these weapons, other nutter are trying to aquire them, if things are too be believed, think it would be totally stupid fer us not to have em n these goons have, much as i dislike em.:eek:

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Only six million viewers tuned in when the gloomiest prediction was twelve million. Cameron was poor, Clegg was in dreamland and Brown was pretty much as expected....dour. Thing is , what was everybody else watching cos there was naff all else on ?

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Went up the pub - the bull up there is more entertaining. ;)

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Didn't watch it myself, there was Spanish footy on Sky, but can't seem to find out which leader got which mentor who got Simon Cowell, Cheryl Cole, or Louis Walsh and what was the result of the phone vote:rolleyes::D

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I didn't see it either, but presumably David Cameron got Simon Cowell (permanently on the offensive), Gordon Brown got Cheryl Cole (an attractive proposition for most of the country) and Nick Clegg got Louis Walsh (the weak link tacked on at the end).

I look forward to putting my cross in Cheryl Cole's box.

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Careful Ken we don't want this moving to the over 18s:D

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multime...16_708294s.jpg
Think this sums everything up:D:D:D

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You mean it's not really Iceland's fault? This is the biggest cover up in years!

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i dint learn anything new,but i thought Gorden Brown did well after the slagging off he got before hand,,,
On Question Time ,,Where did that toffee nosed chap who sounded like he had been brought up on cucumber sandwiches come from?

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Nigel Farage?

He came from the Conservatives, and now leads UKIP.

Ukip leader boasts of his £2m in expenses | Politics | The Observer

:rolleyes:

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Why did Sweaty Betty on the end, not have the usual hankie?

:confused:

:D

YouTube - The Three Tenors - 1994 - O' sole mio

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It was enough to send a glass eye to sleep.

Even with the studio lights reflecting prettily off the one on stage.

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this is Gordon's song to nick
YouTube - The Big Three - By The Way + Cavern Stomp - 1963 45rpm

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Thats one of my records Martin.:)

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sorry cashie
I thought it was in the public domain:(

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how Gordon must feel right now??
YouTube - Elvis Presley-I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry

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Brown looked like the host of a chimps tea-party having to fight for his share of the bananas. Clegg came across as a smug little schoolboy content to snigger as the bigger boys exchanged candy-floss blows, whilst Cameron totally failed to connect with anyone with his apologetic, self-congratulating diatribe.

Where are the statesmen that we need to lead us out of the bloody mess that membership of Europe has gotten us into?

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Me n Less n Taggy will do it stumped.:D

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do you mean this party-
YouTube - Brooke Bond Advert - Jazz Band 1957

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You've got my vote, guys.

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You got it.

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now we're getting somewhere!

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Controversially I thought they were all poor considering they should be statesman of world standing. Maybe it was stage fright, the first time and all that...

If you were judging them on the night Clegg played the best 'game' but lacked substance. In a poor debate, he positioned himself as the 'real leader' of the opposition.

Cameron collapsed, lacking substance and presence and as I said previously he is the weakest prime minister in waiting in living memory and showed it. Keep repeating words, "exceptionally, exceptionally" is insecurity, a double reinforcer rather than the conviction of saying it once. I've said this before about Cameron's lexicon. He has policy vacuum bigger than a black hole.

Cut the deficit by getting rid of a £72,000 Police Car? Iran a nuclear state? and the 'threat of China' is straight of the Phil the Greeks' playbook!

Gordon was Gordon. Hardly up there with the great himself. Poor communicator. Like a Campbell prepped robot. Even the jokes whilst funny and well balanced, weren't Gordon's?

Round Two is shark infested waters. Cameron needs 20 seats off Clegg or it's Cameron without a majority. Clegg needs to keep his 60 seats he has. Cameron can't concentrate on Labour whilst Clegg has free pot shots. Worse for Cameron, Clegg's economic policy is near enough to Labour's to risk being blasted blind side again, but this time on the big question.

IN General Britain does not have the grand statesmen it once had. It has career politicians. I did not like all the 'Joe the Plumber' stuff either.

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It's all very worrying, not perhaps for someone at my time of life, but for the thousands of disenfranchised people, youngsters in particular, brought about by the flippant Labour policies that have been inflicted upon the population at large. I don't see any prospect of a national 'leader' emerging from the bunch of no hopers that the major parties have put forward.

Vote? Me? No chance.

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well Mr jones
it might be poignant moment to recall Socrates ditti : ' when the debates over , slander becomes the tool of the loser' - or has it already begun?? - it's amazing that this sort of stuff was going on two and a half thousand years ago and the politicians think we don't know this???

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LOL!...Yip my hats in the ring Cashy!!:D


Best Regards - Taggy

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Of course there was lots to see, Ottawa Senators beating the Pittsburgh Penguins in overtime in the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs;):D If you guys think that these three are poor specimens, think of how much worse it could be. After all, our neighbours to the south elected GW twice ... even a certified moron can be voted in to lead a great nation.:rolleyes:

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I suppose this thread should be serious considering the outcome of which will affect us all - so let's take a leaf from tony's best mate to bring us down to earth --
YouTube - Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...

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Your right Graham...Career Politicians, that by and large will always put their and their party's interests before that of the public! They will talk bullcrap...offer platitudes...take easy cheap shots....and in many cases tell out and out lies, and the arrogance of them means that even now, after the expenses scandal, they really havn't twigged that we have their measure now! They think a few well chosen "sound bytes" will score points, and hoodwink the public! What was supposed to be a momentus moment for British Politics, was a ruddy great damp squib, and we did not hear or learn anything from that, that we didn't already know. It should have been done more on the lines of a question time...with proper intereation and interrogation from the audience, to have any chance of getting under their skins, and putting them under the type of pressure that would test their mettle a bit more!

Unfortunately though there is now so much wrong with British Politics, only a truelly great slap in the face will change things. I'm a traditional Labour voter, and i make no bones in saying that i think you would make a very good MP for Hyndburn because i know you do put the interests of local people uppermost, however whilst under normal circumstances, you would be pretty much guaranteed my vote, i'm afraid there is a very real chance that you might have to suffer because of the conduct of the current bunch of spivs.

The only way they will ever ever get the message is by protest vote or by not voting at all....something years ago i would never countenence, but i think in these times many MP's have shown themselves worthy of that level of contempt!...Maybe a no vote...is the strongest message of all! I'm still undecided, but not voting is my most likely action at the moment!


Best Regards - Taggy

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And these guys pretend to be educated. Whatever happened to good old common sense?

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I thought Nick Glegg was brilliant many i talked to today at work have even changed their vote after listening to the debate, however i now believe either the Conservatives will win or it will be a hung parliament.

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I thought it was interesting and it has made me think a bit. I know there were times when it lacked substance and there were times when it was the old soundbites and cliches, but there were times when real opinions and views came through.

I thought Gordon Brown had the most to lose going into the debate and he certainly lost. And I lost count of the number of times he tried to align himself with the LibDems 'I agree with Nick...' was his catchphrase. Although I did enjoy the 'you can airbrush your photos but you can't airbrush your policies' line. He just isn't a public speaker and he looked really uncomfortable. He also was the first to start losing his temper and so he came over a bit flustered.

David Cameron also had a lot to lose and he too lost big time. He looked nervous and ill at ease for most of the time. His catchphrase was 'what Gordon Brown isn't telling you....' which made him look childish. I also didn't like his use of the - best mates of some of the people he's met - act. Oh, and he made me laugh at times when he came over a bit 'Tim, nice but Dim' with his 'really, really, nice man' bit.

I thought both Cameron and Brown had taken too much advice from their spin doctors and advisors. They had both obviously been told to get certain points across, so instead of just saying things once, they kept repeating them over and over again, which actually diluted what they were saying because it didn't look real.

Nick Clegg clearly won but as has been pointed out, he had nothing to lose in the first place. He looked the most relaxed, he spoke directly to the people who asked him the questions, he didn't look too rehearsed. Got a bit too obsessed with the Trident issue, but over all put in a really good performance.

Of course, part of that was because Cameron and Brown were too busy attacking each other. They've now got a really difficult line to take - do they attack Nick Clegg in the next debate or try to align themselves with him even more - after all, he could be very influential if there is a hung parliament.

I'm looking forward to round 2.

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I accept that. That's life. I don't think I will be standing again. This is my one chance to represent the place where I live. One resident in Haslingden asked me to stand twice so he could vote for me next time! It's all about choices.

If Gordon loses but I win, then we will have to start looking for new leader within months (despite the football manager cliche - "I have a job to do") and you'll probably have the best of both worlds reading your post Taggy.

The worst scenario is regretting allowing in a poor Conservative MP with no say in who the new Labour Leader is and propping up Britcliffe. Labour rejuvenated with an electric leader contest yet someone who could have made a real difference to Hyndburn (for the remaining 3 half years post Gordon) on a lifetimes gardening leave.

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Sorry Graham, I've had a glass of beer already and I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're saying here. Can you explain please?

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Graham...when you say that you dont think you'll stand again, are you talking win or lose there...meaning you'll only sit for one Parliament?

As i say..this is a real dilemma for me, because i know of all the candidates for Hyndburn, you are the one i know will try their best for the local people and area. But i dont see how i can vote for one of the major parties and yet still send out the message that i'm not happy with the current state of British Politics!...Its just going to revert to same old same old.

Again, counterbalancing that is that i really cannot stand Cameron, and what he stands for! His latest gimmic is saying that he want "the public"to be given more control over how the Country is run....yet he wouldn't even allow Local Conservative Associations, control over selection of prospective candidates...so not much chance for the rest of us oiks if he did get in is there!

So there's the problem...the best chance of defeating Cameron is to stick with labour! Labour then gets in...and feels vindicated for the decisions they've made...and nothing changes! Even if Brown where to go...i dont see any dynamic replacement on the Horizon ....Johnston is probably the obvious standout alternative...but i'm not convinced by him either!

So thats where i'm stuck....vote Labour for the best candidate for Hyndburn and to keep Cameron out!...Or protest vote/No vote...to try to engineer a radical change in politics!! Its a tough one Graham!


Best Regards - Taggy

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It would be sad to lose because of an anti-Gordon Brown feeling. I doubt I'll stand again. I'd like to think I'll bring something grassroots to politics that is missing. Yet perversely if I lose I am concerned we creep back to career politicians.

A week is long time in politics. Cameron could go after the election. So could Brown (and the normal thing is to go after not winning if we are being honest). If Taggy 'believes I would make a good MP' and he also believes 'Brown goes, Labour will be resurgent' post Brown, where next?

Was a protest vote/abstention worth it?

I'd like to think we'll vote on what's best for Hyndburn over the next 4 years, not just 2 months if Gordon did decide to pack it in.

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double post

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I'll sit for more than one if people want me to. If I lose then that's my time gone. I will not stand outside of Hyndburn. I am not a carpet bagger.

I think there are some complex issues. It's not a presidential campaign and it is being turned in to that I think. It is about individual members of parliament and then the Leader has to win the votes of members - say me if I was elected. Gordon has to earn his spurs.

I think these are the class acts for Labour and Gordon will be under a lot of pressure. I would consider Ben Bradshaw for Leader in the near future. Honest, intelligent, down to earth, class act and comfortably better than the three on the stage last night.

Ben Bradshaw 66/1
Alistair Darling 20/1
John Denham 33/1
Alan Johnson 6/1
Douglas Alexander (no odds)
Liam Byrne 80/1
Sean Woodward 50/1
Sadique Khan

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Yes Graham..I do believe you would make a good MP...unfortunately i dont believe that if Brown goes...that Labour would be resurgent!...As i say..i'm pretty sure Johnston would get the nod if that were the case! Ok he's prob got more going for him than Gordon....but it doesn't fill me with excitment.....and hell neither does Darling at 20/1!!

The problem isn't Brown to my way of thinking...the Problem is Polictics itself...and how its delvered and apparently accepted these days!

I think the time may now have come to be more radical.....how else will things change! Yes if i'm just thinking local...then your the one i'd plump for...but in sticking with a mainstream party then the message doesn't get through does it...at the end of the day for the most part you'd have to toe the party line...willingly or otherwise....and where would be the breath of fresh air we need?.....where would the change thats needed in politics come from?

Best Regards - Taggy

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I accept your point Taggy.

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I accept your point Taggy.

I know exactly what causes and what I would line to do and I know that I'll have to stand my ground on some.

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I just think it's hilariously sad, that as a country, we've now become so obsessed with media performance. In exactly the same way America has been for the last fifty years.

There have been no new policies, or manifestos issued since the orchestrated debate was broadcast, but based on the best acting performance, we've awarded the competitors a first, second, and third place. All that was missing was Simon Cowell, giving each contestant a little critique, and telling them if the public vote them back, they'll have to give 110% next week.

To me, what's important are polices. What's actually going to happen if a party forms the next government.

Do I care who the best orator is, in this equivalent of the upper sixth form debating society? No, I couldn't give a fig, as long as they have the ability to communicate effectively.

The most watched programme on our boxes is Britain's Got Talent, and to me this 'live' debate was just as farcical.

They are done in front of an invited audience, who are forbidden from spontaneous applause, or making audible comments. The participants have been coached for weeks, by media experts flown in from the U.S. Teams of people have worked on everything from their voice tone, to the way their ties are knotted.

It's theatre.

Not very good theatre.

All this talk of us needing a great 'statesmen' is nonesense too.

Why?

Are we going to send them off to the finals of World Statesman of the Year 2010 in Latvia, later in the year?

You don't need to be a great orator, physically 'attractive' to the masses, well groomed, and more polished than the Koh-i-Noor diamond, to be a great politican.

As a closing thought, regarding statesmenship. The history books will probably record the greatest British statesmen of the last half century, as being someone who carried a handbag.

:rolleyes:

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I'd have found it very easy to vote for you if you ran as an Independant Candidate...but i guess that could never have been on the cards Graham!;)

Best Regards - Taggy

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I agree with most of what you say.Probably the greatest Labour leader was Clem Attlee. Brought in the Welfare State, National Health Service etc. And yet Attlee would not have come over well in a debate such as last night.

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All that you say is pretty much on the mark there, but it does leave the question to be answered then....who in Politics do you trust....Yes its Policies that Matter.....but Policies..like Pledges, have to be turned into reality, who do you trust to do that....how many governments have actually honoured their Policies/Pledges?....i would bet if we had to disect the manifesto's of previous Governments through the ages, we would find that most have failed to deliver!

If we accept that.....then on what do we base our future choices??


Best Regards - Taggy

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Some of the best politicans this country ever produced wouldn't have been telegenic enough to attain power today.

Even Churchill wouldn't have made the selection stages to be a M.P., having a face more suited to the wireless.

:D

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Well personally I give my trust in the party/person who has the best policies.

I won't be basing my decision on who can look, and act, the most honest.

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I've posted before, but the best political performer of all time, in giving people what they thought they wanted, and exciting a nation, was Hitler.

As I stated, for me it's not how something's said, it's what's said, and the subsequent actions that will follow.

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Yes...but how many Governments over the past have actually HONOURED their policys...i honestly dont think many have....in which case they are lying to get your vote!

Hand on heart...is there a party that you KNOW who you can actually TRUST!


Best Regards - Taggy

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I thought you might like this ;)

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(Was posting a reply when there was a power cut last night!) :eek:

The only person anyone can really trust is themselves.

After that there's degrees of trustworthiness.

I shall base the decision of who to vote for on their policies, and the historical evidence of them doing what they said they'd do.

I understand people deciding not voting, or making a protest vote, but that option isn't one I will take. I want my vote to be one that makes a difference in deciding who'll be governing us for the next four of five years.

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Surprisingly governments have quite a good record at keeping manifesto promises.

I think Cameron did well at the debate, but then again you expected me to say that. :D Nick Clegg won the night though. I didn't like his 'plague on all your houses' style, but I agreed with certain things like increasing the income tax threshold. I'm not sure if we can afford it as a country though at the moment.. but that's the problem with the Lib-dems, they can say what they like, they won't have to implement their policies.

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Same with his buddy, FDR: historical wisdom has it that if the voting public had been aware, in his first election, that he was in a wheel chair, he probably wouldn't have made it.

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Exactly, daft.

Political pundits tell us now that the British public wouldn't accept a bald or receeding P.M., and if you think about recent elections they seem to be right.

It's all very shallow, and makes me feel ashamed that presentation seems more important than policies in today's Britain.

I'm sure some people, with very narrow interests, would have been in raptures watching the 'historic debate', the same way some get excited by watching formula produced American porn.

Give me content over fluff any day.

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Probably more interesting to watch, to see how policies are defended in an unscripted interview, will be watching Paxman.

Interestingly now Brown's agreed to appear on Newsnight, with the notoriously tough interviewer, Cameron has also decided that he wants to do one too, after declining in the past, and has said he might have room in his diary after all.

:rolleyes:

BBC News - PM to undergo Paxman grilling

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About 50 posts to late Margaret;)

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Yep it just highlights how blinkered ya are.