Originally Posted by Studio25 (Post 812975)

He's obliged to stay (apparently) until a coalition is formed, regardless of whether he's in it.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 813517)

We also saw Cameron set off for his local Church...he looked like he was wearing his old gardening clothes. Absolutely disgraceful. And as for that two-faced wastrel Clegg - he wasn't even going to Church, yet still found time to give an interview dressed in his pyjama top.And this is now the most powerful man in England?

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813521)

That's because they're both going for the Tony Blair "Hey! I'm just a regular sort of guy" casual approach...and failing miserably! ;)

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 813523)

If I recall, Blair used to knock around in a Newcastle United FC shirt. I don't suppose it would do Clegg any good to stick on a Sheffield Wednesday shirt - they've not exactly had the most successful of seasons.

I suppose if Chelski do the business this afternoon, we'll see Cameron suddenly find pop up in some blue footy attire.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 813527)

Well I haven't sent him a Rovers shirt Tealeaf:D

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 813542)

Some papers are saying that Gordo upset Nick by losing his rag in a phone call on Friday night.

I don't expect a Lab/Lib coalition

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 813542)

Some papers are saying that Gordo upset Nick by losing his rag in a phone call on Friday night.

I don't expect a Lab/Lib coalition

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 813668)

Mancie...who said that we believed this tripe?
It sells newspapers, and gives folk something to talk about...end of!
None of 'em can be getting on that well or we would have had a new incumbent in No 10 by now.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 813674)

I think that constitutionally they can't do anything until Mr Brown tenders his resignation and defers to David Cameron.......and i think there will be a lot of shady backroom deals...whether we will get to hear about them is another matter.
Worrying!

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 813691)

Then on the other hand we could end up Stevie Gerrard for Prime Minister.. orrible scouse git!:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 813691)

Then on the other hand we could end up Stevie Gerrard for Prime Minister.. orrible scouse git!:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 813719)

Well I think, without a doubt, that you don't really like Scousers Mancie:D

Originally Posted by Hiddlebit (Post 813724)

Funny really but Brown's doing Cameron a favour.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813749)

He's taking a gamble, hoping that the Tories' and Lib/Dems' ideological differences will mean they can't work out a deal. Then he can step in, offer Clegg and his mob what they want and claim he was acting responsibly all along.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813762)

Disagree wyn, Brown had no say in the matter as knobhead clegg stated he was talking to the other knobheads first, since they were the ones wi most seats, i cant blame him fer that, so rather than Brown taking a gamble, i reckon hes just using his head n being honourable, no say in the matter anyway, so to me hes took the sensible option.:)

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813763)

Yep, he had no choice, yep ,he's being sensible (by making the best of the hand he's been dealt), but would dispute the word "honourable" in relation to ANY of the current crop of politicians. But maybe that's just me being too cynical for my own good. ;)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813764)

oh i agree mate, probably should have phrased it "Being seen to be Honourable";)

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813768)

Yep, that about sums it up, Cashy...still maintain that the Lib/Dems won't cut a deal with the Tories though! :)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813770)

i think they will, ridiculous as it is, Cameron will do virtually out, fer power.:rolleyes: Plus just heard on grapevine Browns just rung "Parkinson's" up........PMSL

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 813772)

Parkinson's cashy, didn't know they were still going, if they aren't he could always get Mr Shifter, only problem is it would cost too much in tea bags:D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813773)

well they were last time i spoke to jimmy.:)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 813777)

Who's Jimmy:confused:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813778)

me owd classmate, son of the owner.;)

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813815)

Not quite yet though, the BBC bloke says it's "an audacious bid by Mr Brown to keep Labour in power - and himself in power for a limited period."

Told you he wouldn't give up the reins of power so easily. He's now played his ace card, cutting the ground from under the boy David's feet. Whatever Clegg thinks, his party will be pushing hard for a Lib/Dem/Lab pact, as they're too far apart ideologoically from the Tories. As I said before, expect a Lab/Lib/Dem government soon.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813820)

would agree wyn, seemingly cut ground from under Cleggs feet as well.............Nice one Gordon.:D

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813828)

However, as we speak, Tory bigwig George Osbourne has countered by offering the Lib/Dems a referendum on AV (alternative voting)...no, I don't know what it is either, but it seems pretty important to Cleggy and his mob. Will this swing it for them?

Isn't it a sad reflection on ALL THREE parties that while this squalid political horse trading continues, the public debt is mounting up day by day and the country is drifting unchecked into an ever-deeper crisis? :(

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 813834)

The Tories supporting voting reform. They must be gambling that any future referendum would result in a no vote.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 813842)

If we are going to have a referendum on Google Page Ranking, why not a referendum on our continuing membership of the EU at the same time? I see that idiot Darling has just thrown another £16bn into EU coffers.

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 813845)

This is unfortunately what you can get when you end up with an Hung Parliament. It's also what you would see on a regular basis if you did away with the present voting system,and brought in some form of P.R.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813846)

That's one thing that all three major parties ARE agreed on. They'll never offer a referendum on EU membership because they know what the answer will be!

Originally Posted by Less (Post 813852)

so that there won't be a rush in the last hour

Originally Posted by Less (Post 813852)

Can we not just cut the losses, give people plenty of notice, have a new, General Election, so that there won't be a rush in the last hour, then everyone can vote and miracle, of, miracles, we will be a green and pleasant land once more?
:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 813856)

A very sensible suggestion.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813855)

I'll still be rolling up from the pub at 9.50 and I'll expect to exercise my democratic right! ;)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813874)

what i can't grasp is why when parties have leadership elections, those that have crap support have to drop out n the main 2 go forward to the next vote, why this can't be the case in any hung parliment?:confused: twould save this pratting about n the country would then have a government voted in by the MAJORITY of the voting electorate, job sorted.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 813875)

My God! You live in a fantasy world full of perfection, Can I join?
:)

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 813904)

The Germas tend to hold their voting days at a Weekend (Sunday), so 90% of the populace are at home with nothing to do, thereby in theory increasing voter turnout. Still due to apathy & disillusionment a lot of people still don't bother.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813874)

what i can't grasp is why when parties have leadership elections, those that have crap support have to drop out n the main 2 go forward to the next vote, why this can't be the case in any hung parliment?:confused: twould save this pratting about n the country would then have a government voted in by the MAJORITY of the voting electorate, job sorted.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813944)

The whole thing's just become a joke in my view. It's just one big Dutch auction, with both major parties desperate to grasp power and trying to outbid each other by offering the Lib/Dems whatever they want. Neither the Tories nor Labour campaigned for a change in the voting system and as they gained around 50% of the vote between them, obviously the British public don't want it either. So why should they have it foisted on them just to placate the Lib/Dems?

This graphically shows (to the minority who didn't grasp it before) just how the politicians of all the big three do not give a toss about what we want.

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 813953)

just requires a bit of nerve and patience!

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813954)

It also requires a bit of integrity, so I wouldn't bank on it, Taggy!

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 813955)

True....i'm certainly nor banking on it....i think they are already showing the aint got much!

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 813957)

The only ones who are showing a bit of integrity are the likes of John Reid and David Blunkett who are saying, in effect, "let's do the decent thing and go into opposition". Think, as you say, they're also showing a bit more nous than the rest, too, because the British public will not easily forgive whichever party goes into some grubby deal with the Lib/Dems, just to get their grubby mitts on power. Apparently the auction's now swinging back in favour of the Tories. All I can say to David Cameron is, "be careful what you wish for...it might come true!". ;)

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 813991)

He's gone round to the palace for a brew and hand his notice in

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813992)

silly sod, she has crap t-bags.:D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813990)

think yer both, taggy n wynonie being taken fer a ta ta by the garbage in the media.:rolleyes: " Cameron will do virtually owt, fer power" as i said in another thread the other day, seems he is, also said cameron n clegg would jump into bed together, my view aint changed. all i say if this comes to pass- ya reap what ya sow.:rolleyes::rofl38::rofl38:

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 813995)

Well it seems to appear that in the end that Labour wouldn't bow to Clegg's demands, which has forced the Lib Dems to scurry back to the tory's...........these two clearly will enjoy their 15 mins of fame.....whatever form that takes!

However in taking this stance now, i think Labour, providing they get the right people in place, will reap the rewards in the not too distant future!

I've not believed the crap that's been spouted by the media Cashy, just reading between the lines, i do think Brown would have gone for a deal with Clegg, which would have weakened Labour for the future, in the same way that any Cons/Lib Dem alliance, will ultimately damage both those party's! Its the folk such as Milliband and Co who are the future of the Labour party who have told Brown they want no part of a coalition today, and as such scuppered the deal!

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 813997)

To me, all this wrangling has shown both the Labour party and the Lib Dems to be willing to prostitute their beliefs for the sake of a stake in power.
I believe a Labour/Lib Dem coalition would have cost us....the taxpayer and the electorate dear, because even with this shaky alliance, Labour would still not have had a majority and would have had to call on the support of the Scottish, the Welsh and the Irish MP's.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813990)

think yer both, taggy n wynonie being taken fer a ta ta by the garbage in the media.:rolleyes: " Cameron will do virtually owt, fer power" as i said in another thread the other day, seems he is, also said cameron n clegg would jump into bed together, my view aint changed. all i say if this comes to pass- ya reap what ya sow.:rolleyes::rofl38::rofl38:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 813996)

we will have to disagree on that point taggy, fer my money Labour could not go fer a deal wi clegg, figures just didn't add up. labour now imho WILL end up stronger, whilst the torys n lib dems will be greatly weakened, the next 12 months or so will be the proof i think.;)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 813997)

To me, all this wrangling has shown both the Labour party and the Lib Dems to be willing to prostitute their beliefs for the sake of a stake in power.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 814002)

Exactly my point of view, Margaret. There might be a few "purists" in all three parties, but there's very little difference morally in the men at the top.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 814001)

To be honest taggy i think Brown has played a blinder in all this, first the speech that its right the lib dems talk to the torys first, yesterday saying they had asked to speak to labour n would accomodate em, with no real intention of compromising, having played the negotiating game meself fer many years, its how i would have played it, n i'm damn sure these guys are much wiser than me.;)

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 814040)

Bring our soldiers home, tax us fairly; support the ones who have it tough and enforce a greater contribution from the super-rich, educate the young with a well-rounded approach rather than one similar to that of a sales office, work to enable opportunity to prosper for people from all walks of life, support the National Health Service from the frontline up not the other way around, don't steal our money for your obnoxious greed and end party politics!

Not that 'ard, is it?!

:(

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 814040)

The country has spoken; it doesn't want any of the political parties in charge.

It just isn't right that the Conservative party should govern the country when only 36.1% of voters want them in charge. Nor is it right that any party form a coalition with another. All MPs (whatever partisan persuasion) work together in open and recorded manners by all means, but back-handed deals in the shadows of Westminster will only mean darker days for Britain. The latter is sadly what I have come to expect of politicians in the United Kingdom.

This country is in desperate need of deep and thorough political reform, along with the passion and integrity of the good guys (wherever they are) to take us forward.

Bring our soldiers home, tax us fairly; support the ones who have it tough and enforce a greater contribution from the super-rich, educate the young with a well-rounded approach rather than one similar to that of a sales office, work to enable opportunity to prosper for people from all walks of life, support the National Health Service from the frontline up not the other way around, don't steal our money for your obnoxious greed and end party politics!

Not that 'ard, is it?!

:(

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 814010)

dya know whats really pee'd me off about Cameron taking over tonight?..........they've taken Holby City off .... inconsiderate arses :mad:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 814097)

a tory removing a hospital ?

no way :eek:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 813991)

He's gone round to the palace for a brew and hand his notice in

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 814010)

dya know whats really pee'd me off about Cameron taking over tonight?..........they've taken Holby City off .... inconsiderate arses :mad:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 814173)

The sad thing is Shaz the exact same program was being shown at the same time on the BBC News channel so why spoil the entertainment of those people who were not interested one little bit, but give Cameron his due, his arrival in Downing Street was coordinated to come during half time at the Notts Forests v Blackpool play off second leg:D