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Margaret Pilkington 16-05-2010 16:50
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And that is really sad......that there are people who could make the difference, but yet they aren't in high enough positions to do it.

Margaret Pilkington 16-05-2010 16:54
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John, thanks for reading what we have written.....as far as agreeing with it, maybe it is because we are all of an age when politics was a different game altogether...when there was honesty and integrity...when the people who went into it did so for the best reasons.....to improve the lot of their own people.
Now there are no poor exMP's....they all come out of politics richer than they went in and with connections that make it easy for them to walk straight into consultancy jobs....which means they get paid mega bucks for doing precious little.

Taggy 16-05-2010 17:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815138)
Cashy, I am sorry that you are so despondent........and in a way I can understand why.
You have devoted your life to the union movement who in turn supported the Labour party.....however the Labour party as you and I knew it ceased to exist when Tony Blair promoted New Labour.......these politicians were not the working class men who had scaled the heights of the political tree......they were privileged young men who knew nothing about hard physical work.......and the industrial revolution was a period that they might have studied for exams.......it had little relevance to them. they had attended elitist schools and university.......many of the politicians(certainly the Labour ones) had backgrounds in industry, had done real work.....work that made their hands dirty, but their hearts proud.
It is a different world of politics now...all spin - smoke and mirrors.
The parties let us vote in the assumption that it will keep us, the hoi polloi quiet and acquiescent in thinking that we actually have a say in what happens to the country........when in actual fact the politicians tell us fairy stories that will sway us to elect them and then they will do any damn thing that they please...purely because they can.......telling us all the while that we gave them the mandate.

Did you vote for open borders? did you vote for us to give away money to the EU?(the rebates the Margaret Thatcher negotiated for us) did you vote for all the knee jerk policies that eroded our liberties....the surveillance that is supposed to protect us, but in lots of cases merely watches us?
Did you vote for criminals to be released early? Did you vote for the judiciary to be little more than political pawns? For the police to be politicised by targets that must be met.....for the health service to be likewise target seekers instead of carers......for the Quangos that guzzle taxpayer money like it is going out of fashion....for much of legislation to be masterminded at Brussels by people who are unelected by us.

It is a sad and sorry state that we live in......and if I were younger I would seriously consider moving away from this country....sadly ther aren't many places that want retired, gobby nursing sisters.
Thats one of the best posts i've read for some time....spot on!

Best Regards - Taggy

Taggy 16-05-2010 17:20
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 815203)
Well I've read the last few posts on this thread from cashy, Margaret and Wyn, and I can say I agree with all you've said, made interesting reading
I was just thinking the same thing myself Jaysay!

Best Regards - Taggy

Margaret Pilkington 16-05-2010 17:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 815223)
Thats one of the best posts i've read for some time....spot on!

Best Regards - Taggy
Thank you Taggy. I am sure that there will be people out there who disagree with me on my observations.....but these are my views and opinions....it is gratifying to find that there are others who identify with my views too.

suedarbo 16-05-2010 19:23
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I have to agree with Taggy too. It's one of the best posts I've read in ages and I tried to give karma for it but couldn't for some reason. I will be leaving karma as soon as I'm allowed.
Good post Margaret:D:D

Margaret Pilkington 16-05-2010 19:31
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Thanks Sue....appreciated!

cashman 16-05-2010 21:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815138)
Cashy, I am sorry that you are so despondent........and in a way I can understand why.
You have devoted your life to the union movement who in turn supported the Labour party.....however the Labour party as you and I knew it ceased to exist when Tony Blair promoted New Labour.......these politicians were not the working class men who had scaled the heights of the political tree......they were privileged young men who knew nothing about hard physical work.......and the industrial revolution was a period that they might have studied for exams.......it had little relevance to them. they had attended elitist schools and university.......many of the politicians(certainly the Labour ones) had backgrounds in industry, had done real work.....work that made their hands dirty, but their hearts proud.
It is a different world of politics now...all spin - smoke and mirrors.
The parties let us vote in the assumption that it will keep us, the hoi polloi quiet and acquiescent in thinking that we actually have a say in what happens to the country........when in actual fact the politicians tell us fairy stories that will sway us to elect them and then they will do any damn thing that they please...purely because they can.......telling us all the while that we gave them the mandate.

Did you vote for open borders? did you vote for us to give away money to the EU?(the rebates the Margaret Thatcher negotiated for us) did you vote for all the knee jerk policies that eroded our liberties....the surveillance that is supposed to protect us, but in lots of cases merely watches us?
Did you vote for criminals to be released early? Did you vote for the judiciary to be little more than political pawns? For the police to be politicised by targets that must be met.....for the health service to be likewise target seekers instead of carers......for the Quangos that guzzle taxpayer money like it is going out of fashion....for much of legislation to be masterminded at Brussels by people who are unelected by us.

It is a sad and sorry state that we live in......and if I were younger I would seriously consider moving away from this country....sadly ther aren't many places that want retired, gobby nursing sisters.
Accyweb is one place a retired gobby nursing sister is more than welcome.IMHO, get loads of enjoyment from yer posts n blogs.:);)

Margaret Pilkington 16-05-2010 21:02
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Aaaaawww....Thank you Cashy.....You have made my day! :)

Wynonie Harris 16-05-2010 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815138)
Did you vote for open borders? did you vote for us to give away money to the EU?(the rebates the Margaret Thatcher negotiated for us) did you vote for all the knee jerk policies that eroded our liberties....the surveillance that is supposed to protect us, but in lots of cases merely watches us?
Did you vote for criminals to be released early? Did you vote for the judiciary to be little more than political pawns? For the police to be politicised by targets that must be met.....for the health service to be likewise target seekers instead of carers......for the Quangos that guzzle taxpayer money like it is going out of fashion....for much of legislation to be masterminded at Brussels by people who are unelected by us.
If you were a politician, Margaret, I'd vote for you on a platform like that! :)

Mancie 17-05-2010 03:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815138)
Cashy, I am sorry that you are so despondent........and in a way I can understand why.
You have devoted your life to the union movement who in turn supported the Labour party.....however the Labour party as you and I knew it ceased to exist when Tony Blair promoted New Labour.......these politicians were not the working class men who had scaled the heights of the political tree......they were privileged young men who knew nothing about hard physical work.......and the industrial revolution was a period that they might have studied for exams.......it had little relevance to them. they had attended elitist schools and university.......many of the politicians(certainly the Labour ones) had backgrounds in industry, had done real work.....work that made their hands dirty, but their hearts proud.
It is a different world of politics now...all spin - smoke and mirrors.
The parties let us vote in the assumption that it will keep us, the hoi polloi quiet and acquiescent in thinking that we actually have a say in what happens to the country........when in actual fact the politicians tell us fairy stories that will sway us to elect them and then they will do any damn thing that they please...purely because they can.......telling us all the while that we gave them the mandate.

Did you vote for open borders? did you vote for us to give away money to the EU?(the rebates the Margaret Thatcher negotiated for us) did you vote for all the knee jerk policies that eroded our liberties....the surveillance that is supposed to protect us, but in lots of cases merely watches us?
Did you vote for criminals to be released early? Did you vote for the judiciary to be little more than political pawns? For the police to be politicised by targets that must be met.....for the health service to be likewise target seekers instead of carers......for the Quangos that guzzle taxpayer money like it is going out of fashion....for much of legislation to be masterminded at Brussels by people who are unelected by us.

It is a sad and sorry state that we live in......and if I were younger I would seriously consider moving away from this country....sadly ther aren't many places that want retired, gobby nursing sisters.
Very good.. but there is a not so very old saying..if you don't vote then don't moan.. asking people if they voted for "this" or "that" is patronizing those that did vote.
If we all had your point of view then there would be anarchy.. if no one voted because they are fed up what would we have?...I reckon your post is biased against Brown and the last 12 years, yet you hail Thatcher, the woman and her party got us into the EU and destroyed the last dregs of community we had ...thanks Margaret for your "unbiased" views..:rolleyes:

garinda 17-05-2010 06:28
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 815366)
Very good.. but there is a not so very old saying..if you don't vote then don't moan.. asking people if they voted for "this" or "that" is patronizing those that did vote.
If we all had your point of view then there would be anarchy.. if no one voted because they are fed up what would we have?...I reckon your post is biased against Brown and the last 12 years, yet you hail Thatcher, the woman and her party got us into the EU and destroyed the last dregs of community we had ...thanks Margaret for your "unbiased" views..:rolleyes:
Commenting that Thatcher stood up to the E.U., and got our contributions reduced, is hardly hailing her.

If you can't see that the people who run new Labour have changed, you're more foolish, and blinkered, than I thought.

Still want can we expect form someone who's a political eunuch, and whose vote hasn't counted for the past two decades, because the majority of people in your constituency vote Lib Dem.

;)

Margaret Pilkington 17-05-2010 06:46
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Mancie.....you have not failed, you have not disappointed me. I expected something like this from you.
I am not moaning at all. I am just stating my observations.
As I said I hauled myself to the polling station....I didn't sit on my lazy haunches(but then I never have done much of that anyway).
The difference between us is that I have a conscience and I could not put a cross next to any of the names ......not because of the people, but because of the parties they represent.
You know something Mancie, you are so blinded by past political dogma that you cannot see that Tony Blair changed the Socialist Party into New Labour......a party that knows nothing of the struggles of the working class......if you really wanted to vote for someone who upholds those views then you would have to vote for the Socialist Labour Party .
How many candidates did hey put up for this election?
Well, I can't answer that one for you, but I can tell you they would have been in that little block that polled something like 11% of the total vote.
I reckon that if they put a donkey up and called it Labour, you would vote for it because it carried the Labour Banner.
I will reiterate for you in simple terms, I support no political party.....I view each one on their performance and for me they all are a shower of doo-doo who care nothing for the electorate they are spposed to serve.

another point, I was not hailing Margaret Thatcher....I was just pointing out that she obtained for us, rebates from the EU....and of course they were relinquished meaning that you and I are worse off because of Labour inefficencies.

Thank you to those members od Accyweb who have seen my point of view.
I didn't think it was particularly radical....just common sense......but ah, it isn't that common is it?

jaysay 17-05-2010 08:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 815219)
John, thanks for reading what we have written.....as far as agreeing with it, maybe it is because we are all of an age when politics was a different game altogether...when there was honesty and integrity...when the people who went into it did so for the best reasons.....to improve the lot of their own people.
Now there are no poor exMP's....they all come out of politics richer than they went in and with connections that make it easy for them to walk straight into consultancy jobs....which means they get paid mega bucks for doing precious little.
When I started out in politics in the early sixties, councillors didn't get paid and gave their services for the good of the community, irrespective of party, we also had respect for each other outside the political bubble, which in a lot of cases does not apply today, some people say its progress I think its a backward step myself:(

Margaret Pilkington 17-05-2010 13:10
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 815316)
If you were a politician, Margaret, I'd vote for you on a platform like that! :)
Wyn, I would make a very poor politician....I have to tell it like it is....I would really struggle to follow a party line on something with which I did not agree......I have a conscience, I have morals and ethics.......all of which I would have to throw away for a seat in the big house down in the smoke.......and at my time of life it isn't a good swap:D.

And I know that in my Blog I have said that you are never too old....but for this I am!


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