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Another pub vanishing - this time its The Globe which was on Blackburn Road (Now being made into "goodness knows what"). Here are some "before" and "after" photos.
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anything has to be better than the dive it was over the last 10 years
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I am not going to recognise Accrington when i visit the area :confused: :confused:
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My grandma was the publican. She was the first lady publican took over after my grandad died. I was only young and she had the pub until she remarried when I was about 14. I remember when the miners used to come in after the shifts. She would allow no swearing in the bar and used to say "No pit talk in here, there are ladies present". In those days it was sawdust and spitoons. A snug for ladies and a little hatch where you could take your jug for the beer. I have many fond memories in the Globe and often cleaned the brass door signs. Littlepom |
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My gran was one of those 'ladies present'. She lived nearby at Paxton Court.
She played dominoes there and was named Hocking - 'Are you knocking Mrs Hocking?' |
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Thanks Atarah for the photos
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Last landlord was called Wayne,He moved to the New Inn in Darwen.
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I assume planning permission has been granted for change of use, so it should not be to difficult to find out what this place will become.
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Was the pub next door originally called "The Royal" not to be confused with the "Royal Oak" on Meadow street. I seem to remember going in by mistake to meet somebody when I should have been in the other one, that has gone now as well. This was when I first arrived in Accrington about 1967 ish. I try to forget.
I drove down Blackburn road today to the medical centre and what a mess Blackburn road is now, cars parked on the footpath and buses trying to pass, twas like a third world. |
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yep gremlin it was the Royal, a massey house, did friday nights yon in 80s.;)
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Thanks for that Cashman, my old memory is still functioning. I drove round past the Royal Oak a few days ago and that plus the New Brewery are both closed, I think the Brewery is flats. |
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11/10/0183 Full : Installation of new shop front, siting 19/04/2010 of new entrance door and erection of single storey kitchen extension at rear (Resubmission 11/09/0317) 181, Blackburn Road and 3, Scaitcliffe Street, Accrington. BB5 0AF. Mrs M Masood No indication as to what type of shop. This was the acceptance: |
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Don't know whether you have noticed this one on the Planning Applications thread .. know you all read it avidly :rolleyes: ... LOL.
Could be another: 11/10/0403 Full: Proposed conversion of Oddfellows 08/09/2010 Public House to 3 dwellings and erection of 3 adjoining dwellings on land currently car park to Oddfellows. Oddfellows and car park adjoining Whalley Road, Clayton-le-Moors. Oddfellows Daniel Thwaites plc |
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i hope they do something with the upstairs in the Globe, its huge up there
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Don't wish to get into trouble for stating the obvious, Flashy ... :) |
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Nowhere do I see in this notice reference to change of use from class A4 (drinking establishment) to either class A3 (restaurant) or A5 (hot food takeaway). Does HBC now ignore the law pertaining to planning permission, as well, in this instance, being complete idiots by virtue of their reference to a 'new shop window'. Whenever have pubs had shop windows?
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this hbc were dealing with anything could and probably will happen. Planning law seems only to be enforced when it suits.
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This was the original: 11/09/0317 Full : Change of use of Public House to 22/07/2009 Retail Shop with living accommodation, installation of shop front, siting of new entrance door and erection of single storey kitchen extension at rear 181 Blackburn Road, Accrington. BB5 0AF Mrs M Masood |
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Looks to me like you answered it. It says change of use to retail shop :) |
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OK...that's the change of use in 2009 from A4 to A1 (shop). Where is the change of use from A1 to A3/5?
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Must say though, admire you with regard to your concern on the other thread (Spire Farm) ... at least you are taking an interest on our heritage and possible destruction of the aesthetics of our town. Accyweb has given you the opportunity to debate with the owner your 'disapproval' .. which is good .. sure Mr Foy would agree .... no matter how the thread digressed into a discussion about your large typeface ... :D |
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Suppose would have to go and look at the plans at Scaitcliffe House to see what type ? As is a lady applying .. suspect could be a dress shop of some sort ?... just speculation of course. Atarah .. next time you passing .. go and ask the builders ... you good at this ... LOL. x |
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yeah it did a bit but sorted now .With regards to mr foy i dont think he is the type who is used to people disagreeing with him.The point about planning law is a valid one though but it just seems that if objections are raised,sometimes they are swept aside even if valid if it suits hbc.
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It says with retail with living accomodation so the kitchen will be for the residents. Some people have big families you know ;)
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I think you are right tealeaf just what blackburn road and accy needs another fast food emporium
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Will watch carefully, Tealeaf, for another change of use just for you ... :rolleyes: |
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its a shame though that another pub has gone to the wall .Accy will soon be a ghost town as far as going out for a pint is concerned the town centre is dead nowadays
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I know the chap that lives at No. 5 Scaithcliffe St.I will ask him later today if he knows what is going on.
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Claiming not to know the language is an easy way to avoid a question.
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Or maybe brought in by vans by their employer , they do that down south with the farm workers when they are illegals and working for gangmasters for peanuts.Cant see it happening in Accy though
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the bores head in burnley road is up for rent.
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The Globe...another Accy institution bites the dust. Many happy memories of the establishment back in the day when Mrs Doreen Dunn ran it. Used to go in there for my lunchtime pint in the late 60's when I was in the 6th form at AGS.
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I see an advert, on the outside of the pub, that also indicates The Griffins Head is available too.
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Best Regards - Taggy |
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The advert just says 'do you want to run this pub?' contact Daniel Thwaites Brewery. |
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I know that the current owner also owns Porter Bros and Gardner, and has done a terrific job with the pub. The food is great and its almost always busy. |
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The Roebuck in Rishton has now closed, hopefully temporarily, due to the brewery/management company not budging on fittings.
Charging over £700 per month for kitchen appliances that have not been passed and cannot be used until they say so is really helping the tenants, isn't it? Free houses and Wetherspoons are the way forward for our pubs, it's the only decent option left. |
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Enterprise Inns and it's a shame that this situation has come about because in terms of layout it is the best pub in the village. Open fire, very good smoking area, plenty of lounge and dining space plus a piano!
It would have made an absolutely ideal eating house and precisely what the tenants were aiming for but couldn't get the support from the management. |
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Squeeze every penny out of the decent pubs until the tenants pack up and leave, ship in someone 'temporary' then shut altogether after six months and blame the taxation system. Many of them seem to have slipped in an extra layer of management as well for some bizarre reason. It seems to me that they make so much money from supermarket sales that pubs are too much of a headache but if something is turning you a profit and keeping people happy why fiddle with it? |
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Griffins Head...Guide Rent:£15,345.00 Boars Head Bay Horse Hotel, Manchester Rd Oddfellows Arms, Whalley Rd Britannia Inn |
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Black Dog and Royal Oak, both in Ossy, available too it seems.
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Thanks Bernie and Beni, ain't been round that neck of the woods for years, was one of my locals in the 70s when I lived on Nelson St for a while
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The Whitakers Arms, on Burnley Rd, is also now up for sale...The Griffins Head is under offer.
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"Symptomatic behaviour of most of the major chains now, John.
Squeeze every penny out of the decent pubs until the tenants pack up and leave, ship in someone 'temporary' then shut altogether after six months and blame the taxation system. Many of them seem to have slipped in an extra layer of management as well for some bizarre reason. It seems to me that they make so much money from supermarket sales that pubs are too much of a headache but if something is turning you a profit and keeping people happy why fiddle with it?" Hmmm. Remind me again Ken, which party it was, while in Government, who changed the licensing laws and permitted the supermarkets and every corner shop to sell alcohol at cost price 24 hrs a day in the facile belief that this would create a cafe culture completely oblivious to the effect that this would have on the traditional outlets. Hmmm? Who was that Ken? |
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It is no government's fault that pricing remains so ludicrously high in public houses but people like you will believe that legislation and taxation are ultimately responsible for driving people away from the bar. The breweries will ultimately be responsible for the demise of pubs and anyone who has ventured into one recently will be able to see that. I assume you haven't, Bob. The Rishton Workmen's Club has a shining example of brewery greed in that it is cheaper to buy Thwaites beer, beer brewed just three miles away, from Wigan Beers. Just explain how government legislation has caused a brewery to make it more expensive to buy from them directly? How is this helping pubs that want to sell local beer? Why are tied houses which are forced to buy their beer from the brewery and paying rent on top charged almost double the price that a free house would pay for the same barrel? Labour's fault, is it? Just take a moment to think what that Labour monster Graham Jones did for clubs by working to get them better tax relief. The one thing I will concede is that the smoking ban was too harsh and dedicated smoking rooms would have been a better idea but beyond that you are talking a load of rubbish. If 24-hour licensing is so awful then the 'coalition' (that word makes me laugh every time I hear it) now have the power to reverse it, don't they? |
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:D:D:DDamn my shoe lace just snapped, and a light bulb popped. I reckon it's all the fault of 13 years of labour rule. Now then what else can i blame on them!!!!!!:D:D:D:D.
I don't think you will ever make any headway Ken. |
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"If 24-hour licensing is so awful then the 'coalition' (that word makes me laugh every time I hear it) now have the power to reverse it, don't they?"
As far as I am aware the Home Secretary mentioned at the party conference that a repeal was on the cards. "The breweries will ultimately be responsible for the demise of pubs and anyone who has ventured into one recently will be able to see that. I assume you haven't, Bob. " You would be assuming too much. Of course the breweries must shoulder a great deal of the responsibility for the current pricing structure, but not all of it by any means. The breweries did not set the punitively high tax rates or the equally punitive business rates. the breweries did not insist on the implementation of Health and Safety legislation, nor did they implore government and local government to quadruple the beurocracy surrounding the granting of a licence. Supermarkets and franchised off licences and newsagencies are able to negotiate with the breweries for bulk sales at discount prices. these prices are unavailable to the average landlord because the volume of sales is not there anymore. Unless and until the playing field is level pubs and clubs will always loose out to the supermarkets' philosophy of 'pile it high and sell it cheap' (or at cost ). To my mind the use by the supermarkets of alcohol as a loss leader is morally reprehensible and has disastrous social consequences. And this is a situation entirely brought about by the introduction of the twenty four hour licence. So, yes, Bingo! It is Labour's fault |
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