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Another pub vanishing - this time its The Globe which was on Blackburn Road (Now being made into "goodness knows what"). Here are some "before" and "after" photos.

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anything has to be better than the dive it was over the last 10 years

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I am not going to recognise Accrington when i visit the area :confused: :confused:

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Well I can give you a little bit of history about the Globe.
My grandma was the publican. She was the first lady publican took over after my grandad died. I was only young and she had the pub until she remarried when I was about 14. I remember when the miners used to come in after the shifts. She would allow no swearing in the bar and used to say "No pit talk in here, there are ladies present". In those days it was sawdust and spitoons. A snug for ladies and a little hatch where you could take your jug for the beer. I have many fond memories in the Globe and often cleaned the brass door signs.
Littlepom

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My gran was one of those 'ladies present'. She lived nearby at Paxton Court.
She played dominoes there and was named Hocking - 'Are you knocking Mrs Hocking?'

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It's been several years since the Globe finally closed it's doors, obviously your lack of presence may have effected it's demise.
;)

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Think the last landlady is now in the "research center:D"

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Thanks Atarah for the photos

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Bet when it opens they won't be selling Bacon Butties.

Retlaw.

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As a researcher cashy or behind the bar furnishing the research vessels:D

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Behind the bar, occasionally.;)

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Last landlord was called Wayne,He moved to the New Inn in Darwen.

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Judging by the clientele Beni his first name wasn't John was it:D

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I assume planning permission has been granted for change of use, so it should not be to difficult to find out what this place will become.

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Thats Katexs province T. i'm rather fond of me life.:D

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Was the pub next door originally called "The Royal" not to be confused with the "Royal Oak" on Meadow street. I seem to remember going in by mistake to meet somebody when I should have been in the other one, that has gone now as well. This was when I first arrived in Accrington about 1967 ish. I try to forget.
I drove down Blackburn road today to the medical centre and what a mess Blackburn road is now, cars parked on the footpath and buses trying to pass, twas like a third world.

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yep gremlin it was the Royal, a massey house, did friday nights yon in 80s.;)

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Thanks for that Cashman, my old memory is still functioning.

I drove round past the Royal Oak a few days ago and that plus the New Brewery are both closed, I think the Brewery is flats.

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Used to go in the New Brewery for lunch when I as at college in the sixties, for a Pie and a Pint, and a gme of arrows

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This was the planning application, Tealeaf ... was a re-submission to 11/9/0317 which was refused on the grounds that the frontage would be detrimental to the visual amenities of the surrounding area :D

181, Blackburn Road and 3, Scaitcliffe Street,
Accrington.
BB5 0AF.
Mrs M Masood

No indication as to what type of shop.

This was the acceptance:

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/site/cu...Accrington.pdf

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well that will make Blackburn Rd a real shopping mecca.:D

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Don't know whether you have noticed this one on the Planning Applications thread .. know you all read it avidly :rolleyes: ... LOL.
Could be another:

11/10/0403 Full: Proposed conversion of Oddfellows 08/09/2010
Public House to 3 dwellings and erection of 3 adjoining
dwellings on land currently car park to Oddfellows.


Oddfellows and car park adjoining
Whalley Road,
Clayton-le-Moors.
Oddfellows
Daniel Thwaites plc

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i hope they do something with the upstairs in the Globe, its huge up there

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Don't wish to get into trouble for stating the obvious, Flashy ... :)

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Nowhere do I see in this notice reference to change of use from class A4 (drinking establishment) to either class A3 (restaurant) or A5 (hot food takeaway). Does HBC now ignore the law pertaining to planning permission, as well, in this instance, being complete idiots by virtue of their reference to a 'new shop window'. Whenever have pubs had shop windows?

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this hbc were dealing with anything could and probably will happen. Planning law seems only to be enforced when it suits.

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Just the messenger here, Tealeaf, however, can only suspect that when the Globe closed, after a certain length of time, and no re-application for a drink's licence, was defunct as a public house at the time of the resubmission ? ( might be talking crap) Don't think on the original there was any objection to change of use ... just the style of the proposed frontage which was amended.
This was the original:

11/09/0317 Full : Change of use of Public House to 22/07/2009
Retail Shop with living accommodation, installation of shop front, siting of new
entrance door and erection of single storey
kitchen extension at rear

181 Blackburn Road,
Accrington.
BB5 0AF
Mrs M Masood

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Looks to me like you answered it. It says change of use to retail shop :)

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OK...that's the change of use in 2009 from A4 to A1 (shop). Where is the change of use from A1 to A3/5?

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That's ridiculous Walkinman .. councillors have very little power on the Planning Laws, except when there are objections or appeals.

Must say though, admire you with regard to your concern on the other thread (Spire Farm) ... at least you are taking an interest on our heritage and possible destruction of the aesthetics of our town.

Accyweb has given you the opportunity to debate with the owner your 'disapproval' .. which is good .. sure Mr Foy would agree .... no matter how the thread digressed into a discussion about your large typeface ... :D

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Don't think another eating establishment Tealeaf ? This is not retail.

Suppose would have to go and look at the plans at Scaitcliffe House to see what type ?

As is a lady applying .. suspect could be a dress shop of some sort ?... just speculation of course.

Atarah .. next time you passing .. go and ask the builders ... you good at this ... LOL. x

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Are you drunk? What exactly is the purpose of the kitchen extension at the rear? To make butties for the hard working shop workers? It's not going to be a kitchen for anybody living above. This is a food joint, simple,but whether eat in or takeaway, I don't know.

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yeah it did a bit but sorted now .With regards to mr foy i dont think he is the type who is used to people disagreeing with him.The point about planning law is a valid one though but it just seems that if objections are raised,sometimes they are swept aside even if valid if it suits hbc.

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could be a good bacon buttie shop you never know!

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It says with retail with living accomodation so the kitchen will be for the residents. Some people have big families you know ;)

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So will they be installing a dumb waiter or what? Unlikely, and I can't see food being hand carried upstairs..it's crazy. This is going to be a fast food joint. No doubt in a few months time the owners will be applying for retrospective planning permission.

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I think you are right tealeaf just what blackburn road and accy needs another fast food emporium

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Exactly Lancsdave. Let's face it, this is the style of all our little shops ... they lived on the premises, with retail shop at the front. Most of ground floor required for stock, back for domestic purposes i.e. the kitchen extension.

Will watch carefully, Tealeaf, for another change of use just for you ... :rolleyes:

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its a shame though that another pub has gone to the wall .Accy will soon be a ghost town as far as going out for a pint is concerned the town centre is dead nowadays

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Getting there ... LOL.

http://planetsmilies.net/eat-drink-smiley-7858.gif

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...Except they didn't have purpose built kitchen extensions, did they?

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Oh ... come on ... still loads of pubs. Presume that the pubs on Blackburn Road are not now a good catchment area for imbibers of alcohol... ;)

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Yes ... ??? Where does it specify any 'purpose built' for other than the residents ??

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i suppose they are but i mean right in the centre of town last time i went out there was no atmosphere no characters like there used to be the craic was poor

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Or put another way. it's one less place you can go at night and get your face glassed or your head kicked in :rolleyes:

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Roll on the plastic drinking vessel ... :D

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Yeah but at least its usually done with love we are nothing if not warm us accy folk

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If that were the case, it could be very expensive if the applicant appealed to the government and his application was upheld, the council would have to foot the bill for the inquiry, which could run into hundreds of thousands

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Obviously you never attended Martholme Grange in the 70s Kate, we had plastic glasses then:D

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I did, and the two gentlemen I asked couldnt speak English.

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You have to make allowances for Dave he heralds from Burnley:D

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So we can take it it ain't going to be a bacon butty shop then Atarah;)

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Now thats a surprise, i don't think.:rolleyes:

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I know the chap that lives at No. 5 Scaithcliffe St.I will ask him later today if he knows what is going on.

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and I think the chicken was made of the same material

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: nice one wadey, forgot about that, it was crap.:D

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Ah see you were a regular then wadey:D

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How can you work in the building trade in this country and not understand English, what language are the drawings and specifications for the job their doing, how do they order building mterials. how do they get to work, obtain food and drink, etc etc.
Retlaw.

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thats easy, off the same kinda people.

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So what currency do they get paid in, do they walk to work, drive to work or what, its impossible for them not know any English words, and be able to live and work here.

Retlaw

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Claiming not to know the language is an easy way to avoid a question.

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Same way the English do it in Spain I suppose :confused:.

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:thumbsup:

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Probably sleep on site:rolleyes:

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Or maybe brought in by vans by their employer , they do that down south with the farm workers when they are illegals and working for gangmasters for peanuts.Cant see it happening in Accy though

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the bores head in burnley road is up for rent.

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The Globe...another Accy institution bites the dust. Many happy memories of the establishment back in the day when Mrs Doreen Dunn ran it. Used to go in there for my lunchtime pint in the late 60's when I was in the 6th form at AGS.

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::D

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I see an advert, on the outside of the pub, that also indicates The Griffins Head is available too.

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From what I here the Griffins Head is dong quite well, my daughter is a regular at the establishment

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The current Landlord of the Boars Head has also been running The Grey Horse for a few months too, so it looks like he's decided to move up to the Grey Horse!

Best Regards - Taggy

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I was thinking the same thing

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It is doing very well, and rightly so. It is a perfect pub, run very well. Good food, great beer.
The advert just says 'do you want to run this pub?' contact Daniel Thwaites Brewery.

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Its always been a good pub Simon, I used to drink there quite a lot in the early 80s, can't for the life in me remember the Landlords name could it have been Rubin or summat like that, any ideas Accy Weber's:confused:

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Yes, John, Rubin's name rings a bell.
I know that the current owner also owns Porter Bros and Gardner, and has done a terrific job with the pub. The food is great and its almost always busy.

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No doubt he decor is out of this world:D or it should be

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I'm led to believe it is to become a clothes shop:confused:

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The Roebuck in Rishton has now closed, hopefully temporarily, due to the brewery/management company not budging on fittings.

Charging over £700 per month for kitchen appliances that have not been passed and cannot be used until they say so is really helping the tenants, isn't it?

Free houses and Wetherspoons are the way forward for our pubs, it's the only decent option left.

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What Brewery owns the Roebuck Ken?

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Enterprise Inns and it's a shame that this situation has come about because in terms of layout it is the best pub in the village. Open fire, very good smoking area, plenty of lounge and dining space plus a piano!

It would have made an absolutely ideal eating house and precisely what the tenants were aiming for but couldn't get the support from the management.

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Don't seem very enterprising to me Ken:(

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Symptomatic behaviour of most of the major chains now, John.

Squeeze every penny out of the decent pubs until the tenants pack up and leave, ship in someone 'temporary' then shut altogether after six months and blame the taxation system. Many of them seem to have slipped in an extra layer of management as well for some bizarre reason.

It seems to me that they make so much money from supermarket sales that pubs are too much of a headache but if something is turning you a profit and keeping people happy why fiddle with it?

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According to their own website, Thwaites have the following pubs available.

Griffins Head...Guide Rent:£15,345.00
Boars Head
Bay Horse Hotel, Manchester Rd
Oddfellows Arms, Whalley Rd
Britannia Inn

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Black Dog and Royal Oak, both in Ossy, available too it seems.

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The Griffins Head is a surprise, is the Britannia inn the one on Nuttall Street, or the one on Haslingdon Old Road Simon

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Sorry John, it's the one on Haslingden Old Road...although the website says it is now under offer.

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Was actually wondering if the Britannia on Nuttall St. is still open even:confused:

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Yes it is John;)

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Still open,Owned by a leisure company.I think It's Value Inns?

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Thanks Bernie and Beni, ain't been round that neck of the woods for years, was one of my locals in the 70s when I lived on Nelson St for a while

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The Whitakers Arms, on Burnley Rd, is also now up for sale...The Griffins Head is under offer.

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I've heard the Griffins Head has got new tenants when the present landlord leaves

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"Symptomatic behaviour of most of the major chains now, John.

Squeeze every penny out of the decent pubs until the tenants pack up and leave, ship in someone 'temporary' then shut altogether after six months and blame the taxation system. Many of them seem to have slipped in an extra layer of management as well for some bizarre reason.

It seems to me that they make so much money from supermarket sales that pubs are too much of a headache but if something is turning you a profit and keeping people happy why fiddle with it?"


Hmmm. Remind me again Ken, which party it was, while in Government, who changed the licensing laws and permitted the supermarkets and every corner shop to sell alcohol at cost price 24 hrs a day in the facile belief that this would create a cafe culture completely oblivious to the effect that this would have on the traditional outlets. Hmmm? Who was that Ken?

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In the case of the Griffins Head, I believe that the Landlord is leaving because he has been offered a job he can't turn down Bob, but on the whole I totally agree with what you've said especially with the reorganisation of the licencing hours, stupid and totally unnecessary

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Bingo! It's all Labour's fault!

It is no government's fault that pricing remains so ludicrously high in public houses but people like you will believe that legislation and taxation are ultimately responsible for driving people away from the bar. The breweries will ultimately be responsible for the demise of pubs and anyone who has ventured into one recently will be able to see that. I assume you haven't, Bob.

The Rishton Workmen's Club has a shining example of brewery greed in that it is cheaper to buy Thwaites beer, beer brewed just three miles away, from Wigan Beers. Just explain how government legislation has caused a brewery to make it more expensive to buy from them directly? How is this helping pubs that want to sell local beer?

Why are tied houses which are forced to buy their beer from the brewery and paying rent on top charged almost double the price that a free house would pay for the same barrel? Labour's fault, is it? Just take a moment to think what that Labour monster Graham Jones did for clubs by working to get them better tax relief.

The one thing I will concede is that the smoking ban was too harsh and dedicated smoking rooms would have been a better idea but beyond that you are talking a load of rubbish.

If 24-hour licensing is so awful then the 'coalition' (that word makes me laugh every time I hear it) now have the power to reverse it, don't they?

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:D:D:DDamn my shoe lace just snapped, and a light bulb popped. I reckon it's all the fault of 13 years of labour rule. Now then what else can i blame on them!!!!!!:D:D:D:D.
I don't think you will ever make any headway Ken.

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You never do Alan, when your on a looser:D

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"If 24-hour licensing is so awful then the 'coalition' (that word makes me laugh every time I hear it) now have the power to reverse it, don't they?"

As far as I am aware the Home Secretary mentioned at the party conference that a repeal was on the cards.

"The breweries will ultimately be responsible for the demise of pubs and anyone who has ventured into one recently will be able to see that. I assume you haven't, Bob. "

You would be assuming too much. Of course the breweries must shoulder a great deal of the responsibility for the current pricing structure, but not all of it by any means. The breweries did not set the punitively high tax rates or the equally punitive business rates. the breweries did not insist on the implementation of Health and Safety legislation, nor did they implore government and local government to quadruple the beurocracy surrounding the granting of a licence. Supermarkets and franchised off licences and newsagencies are able to negotiate with the breweries for bulk sales at discount prices. these prices are unavailable to the average landlord because the volume of sales is not there anymore.

Unless and until the playing field is level pubs and clubs will always loose out to the supermarkets' philosophy of 'pile it high and sell it cheap' (or at cost ).

To my mind the use by the supermarkets of alcohol as a loss leader is morally reprehensible and has disastrous social consequences. And this is a situation entirely brought about by the introduction of the twenty four hour licence.

So, yes, Bingo! It is Labour's fault

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So the demise of pubs in Accrington is down to every supermarket and corner shop in the area selling alcohol 24 hrs a day? :eek:...I'd bet that you can't name any! :rolleyes:

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Your probably right Mancie cuz there isn't one;)