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I think the blame is ours in a lot of situations because we dont look after our own interests strongly enough not just on the european scene but also in world affairs,we worry to much about losing for want of a better phrase"face" when we should be saying if you dont like it tough!

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Maybe its about time we became less british and grew some B**** for a change.

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Spot on. Take retirement age for instance.

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No, but then again Britain isn't British anymore ! Who owns our companies ? Who has the loudest voice in the populace ? :(

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There's only one British politician who had the bottle to stand up to the EU and I'm no great admirer of hers (although I know Cashy holds her in specially high regard ;) ) and that's Margaret Thatcher. She won our rebate by the simple expedient of threatening to withold our contribution - no other British politician has had the resolve to do that. Of course, the grovelling, supine Blair gave a large part of it away later.

Unfortunately, our political class don't have the guts to take the laissez faire attitude that other nations do, so we're better off out.

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Wynn makes a valid point, no matter your leanings you have to give Maggie that, she stood for Britain in that respect. Since then we've only had mediocre Politicians who weren't & aren't prepared to stand up for UK & make waves about the increasing way our lives are governed from outside our shores.

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I think your smoking days in spanish bars are all but over hun....

SMOKING BAN in 2010 FOR SPAIN CONFIRMED
NO SMOLKING IN BARS , CLUBS , HOTELS And RESTAURANTS . The Health Minister has confirmed that Spain is to introduce an extended smoking ban next year , when, from an as yet to be confirmed date.

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That might not go down to well with the Tory voting farmers who employed these children to pick thier crops... the same farmers who recieve massive handouts from the EU. ;)

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But back to the article, it has only caused such a furore as it has happened here in the UK, they would no doubt have done the same or similar in their own Country but for a lot less. So why the outcry ? Who is bringing this to the attention of the wider public & for what purpose ?

Those really are the questions that answers need to be sought for, the who & why !

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At 7 I worked in a market garden type place weeding, planting seedlings carrying water cans...

at 10 I was picking spuds at the farm they owned

at 12 I did a 340 paper Citizen paper round on a thursday night

at 16 I worked at a petrol station filling cars....


Child labour aint new, we are just more prissy about it......

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Smoking ban is one thing I wouldn't blame the EU for, because it's nothing to do with EU law. It was introduced here by the British government, so it's irrelevant to this argument. Will be very interested to see how closely the Spanish enforce it though. My guess is not very thoroughly! ;)

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We should go back to Victorian values I say.. nowt wrong with kids doing a bit of hard work... this young chap seems happy enough! :rolleyes:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...78_468x618.jpg

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I would doubt that very much, probably a case of making the right noises.

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Bloody hell Mancie of course I recognise you now, been trying to put a face to your name for years:D