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Cop Sgt Mark Andrews freed after just six days for cell attack on Pamela Somerville - mirror.co.uk

A Policeman (Mark Andrew) who assaulted a woman and there is evidence, is let off after appeal. He was orginally found guilty and sentenced, but after only served 6 days in prison. If this was you or I - videod assaulting someone we'd probably get banged up for a year at least! I think this is totally wrong and he has been let off after treating someone like that - all charges have been dropped. Shows how unjust the British system is and there is one rule for the Police and another for the Public...

YouTube - New World Order: UK, British Cop Filmed Throwing Woman Into Cell.

Judge said "Appeal judge Mr Justice Bean said that Ms Somerville was drunk when she was thrown into a cell!" However charges against her were also dropped, so she was not drunk as this "bent" Judge claims! If your a copper you can get away with anything!


It's disgraceful :eek:

'You could have done things better': Officer jailed for throwing woman into cells is CLEARED after appeal | Mail Online

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Totally agree, I have seen police brutality (Local) first hand.

Some think they are the law and can do what they like and know they will be backed up and get away with it.

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Maybe I could understand if this bloke had his sentence reduced, but to be cleared of all charges when the whole country has seen the evidence, seems strange.. but no surprise.

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I have two words for folks surprised at this: "Rodney" and "King".

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I'm not a lover of the police but all I can see is a women being restrained and an edited recording.
She is shown being dragged by the left arm but the bandaging is on the right arm.:confused::confused:

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i also have no real love fer the police, but to me how the hell else can ya put someone in a cell, that aint fer going? i have been banjo ed uphill n down dale wi em when younger, but that video aint assault to me.

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There were no video cameras running in your day Cashy and I'm sure you've seen and had alot worse.. but you were a young man..this women is not young, drunk or not she looks frail. as soon as she stands up the blood starts flowing.

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Nobody has said why the police were in attendance in the first place, so she must must have been up to something.
Anything that happened to her after that is her own fault.

Retlaw

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Did you read the links?.. she was found asleep in her car and was suspected of being drunk.

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So if she aint drunk,what reason should she resist? n ok theres good n bad in every employment, whatever if yer sober ya understand what the laws tellin ya, if ya agree or not, the instructions are clear enough?:confused:

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She might be drunk.. the charges were dropped so we will never know if she was.. but I don't see how that means she should be roughed up.

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[QUOTE=Mancie;862558]

no-one seems to have answered my question How are police supposed to put someone in the cells,if they refuse to go? :rolleyes: answer question don't make excuses fer her.

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There are a lot of people who see com-pen-sa-tion written all over the cell walls when they sober up in the morning cashy:rolleyes:

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[quote=cashman;862599]With restraints / and more than one officer, if you watch these police programs on tv, when its someone who can fight back, they have about 4/5+ officers on them and put them in restraints.

Excuses for her, more like excuses for him.:rolleyes:

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[quote=***Mr D***;862616]You watch these police programs on Telly and there's some real A*** H****masquerading as human beings in most town centres early Saturday morning:rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=cashman;862599]Two officers, one on each arm, holding up/walking to cell.

Seen worst police brutality myself. Scum with badges.

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Cheers Mr D - here is another example from 2009..

BBC News - G20: No charges over Ian Tomlinson demo death

Guy called Ian Tomlinson was pushed over last year and died of a heart attack! Again if there was a video of you or I doing this no doubt we'd be in court. Again there was a bent Coroner involved who said the police action had no effect on the man's death!

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The fact is if Rent a Mob hadn't been there neither would the police

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Just because so called "Rent a mob" was there doesn't excuse police pushing someone over who wasn't even part of the demonstrati:cool:n!

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Did he actually have a sign on his back say, hey mr plod I'm not part of this demo;)

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When you use the phrase 'rent-a-mob', you should be aware that police sometimes use agent provacteurs.
Agent provocateur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Probably written by a member of the rent-a-mod brigade;)

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When the police get away with, even belatedly something that entails a criminal record and a stint in HMP then any faith left in them is destroyed and can never be regained. The police at one time used to complain that smart criminals were untouchable yet it seems they are to. How the hell did we end up in this mess?

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I'm sure someone will say 13 years of labour rule !!!!!

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Whats the mods got to do with it.:D

IMO the police should not use physical force unless deemed necessary for protection or to prevent harm.

Clearly in both the cases it is someone who cant really fight back, who they bully, I bet in ians case if it was some 6ft 5" skin head they wouldnt of pushed him.:rolleyes:

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The police are always between a rock and a hard place, if they try to keep order when rent a moB are about they're wrong, if they don't take action they're wrong again:eek:

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Agreed... just like when the "rent a gent" drunken yobs from the countryside alliance made the attack on the police and Parliment... but best not mention it eh? ;)

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Rent a mob is no different wherever they come from the only difference I can see is that rent a gent had the day off work, where as rent a mob just changed the day they cashed their giro:D

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If you look at the video, the guy was walking along passed the coppers when he was hit for no reason and then pushed over! he wasn't doing anything wrong at all! A lot of police have a thug attitude ¬!:mosher:

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Its not really surprising when they continually have to put up with work shy left wing oiks is it

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No, i remember "Police Brutality" in the '50s, when DS Sargeson dished out his own form of justice.
But, it did start to get worse with all the Liberal do-gooders, and the EU and the Civil Rights movement - what is food for the goose is also food for the gander.
Police powers have been severely restricted, therefore we have the rise in crime - or let us say law breaking. You can be arrested for obscene language directed at a PC but how often do you hear it around town and everyone ignores it.
How sad that so many of today's generations cannot express themselves without the use of obscene or profane language. The justice system needs to re-assess itself.
Give the police the powers back, build more prisons - remote islands off Scotland spring to mind, re-instate Borstals - protect the law abiding citizens and punish the guilty - real punishment, such as hard labour, breaking rocks into smaller rocks, digging big holes and then filling them in again.

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Somebody talking sense have some green Barrie

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Is this for real:eek: It reads like satire that doesn't work as it should. A little like Swift's "Modest Proposal" being taken seriously. Ok, liberal do-gooders are a pain in the ass, and the EU .... well, who gives a flying you-know-what about that. It's obvious to most of the world that the self-destruct has been engaged and the rest is, well, just a matter of time. But how can you lump civil rights in with them.:confused: One of great benefits of living in the US and Canada is our civil rights legislation. In Canada we have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, enforced by an independent Supreme Court. If one doesn't have civil rights, how can one be protected from the excesses of government?

And what "police powers" have been restricted? Their only "power" is to enforce the law. How they do this is subject to government supervision and control: use of tasers and lethal force are examples. So, maybe it's the lawmakers who should be in focus.

I can't see that obscene language is a problem ... sticks and stones etc. ... although I am surprised that swearing at a copper is illegal in the UK.

And building more prisons .... getting a little Dickensian here .... and hard labour, longer sentences, and let's throw in capital punishment (works in the US does it not .... keeps the number of firearm murders down to about 12,000 a year, whoopee ding. Problem with these simplistic soulutions is that they don't work.

Puritans were opposed to bear-baiting, not because of the pain it gave to the bear; but because of the pleasure it gave to the spectators.

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no need to build more prisons, just adequate sentences are required, P.D. or Hard Labour should be re-introduced fer violent/persistant scumbags, agree wi bringing back Borstals etc for younger offenders, a great example of the soft soap approach was on the news tonight, "Venables" the inquiry said he would have had to be under supervision 24 hrs a day to prevent the murdering sod downloading child porn, n that wasn't viable cos it was too expensive,:mad: no mention at all that this piece of crap Should Not Have Been Released in the first place.:mad:

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Agree with the adequate sentence thing ... I like the idea of a judge being able to declare someone a "dangerous offender" and face real life ... no chance of parole, subject of course to appeal. And I really agree that a lot of thought has to be given to young offenders; it's a big issue over here too. Am I to understand that inmates in UK gaols have access to the internet:confused::eek: The other stuff: well, I know that it doesn't work, or, more precisely, it hasn't worked up till now and I suspect it never will. But if it makes folks feel better, and deflects their attention from the fact that the economy is going down the tubes, go for it.

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I Still think they have it right in the states was watching a documentary the other day and one guy a serial killer was sentenced to 557 years in prison + 30 years for an unrelated offence, you quite often here life sentences being given without the chance of parole, thats the ay it should be

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Nothing to do with Police powers, crime rises and falls. although with new STATUTES more crimes (that really arnt crimes) will go on record.

IMO and "Trained" office should not rise to the occassion with language and take it on the chin I mean what harm is really done.

How much language is there at a football game, directed at one perticular person who dresses in black, he seems to manage to ignore it.:rolleyes:

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you can't go to many football matches if ya think refs ignore it, i know of quite a few players would argue that point wi ya, very poor example.:D

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Your Correct I dont go to football matches.

Ok matbe not ignore it, but he doesnt rise to the provication. He takes it on the chin.:D (Part of the job description).

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That is only because the referee is well aware that he is a "Love Child":hehetable

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The first match I played in - an RAF Cup match, after the FA instructed Referees to clamp down on bad language, RAF Abingdon, a team full of PTIs had 2 players sent off for that offence.
A poor choice of example - if you cannot express yourself in our wonderful language without reverting to profane and obscene language - then you should have paid more attention at school.

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Ya but they usually have there hearing dog in the changing room:D

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[quote=SamF;862669]
YouTube - Policeman faces life for rapes

This policeman was allegedly kicked out of the army for the same crime? So how come he was allowed into the Police?

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[quote=kestrelx;864223]Because somebody higher up wasn't doing their job right

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Policeman finally faces disciplinary action for pushing man over who latter died...


G20 Ian Tomlinson death: Police officer on misconduct charge | News

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If rent a mob hadn't been there neither would the police;)

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Quite likely correct - the police sometimes ARE the 'rent a mob':)

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Do you have to repeat yourself:confused::D

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If rent a mob hadn't been there neither would the police:D:D:D:p

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Police pulled man out of wheelchair and dragged him over the ground...

Police dragged me from my wheelchair and attacked me with battons, claims tuition fees protester | Mail Online

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Now yer quoting the Mail, is it correct in this instance?:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: yeh got a real sense of humour kestrelx.

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Would you believe it?.. next thing you know they'll be taking his disabiltity benifits off him!:D

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It's not a joke - it was on the BBC news tonight.

YouTube - Jody McIntyre being pulled from his wheelchair #demo2010

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It's out of order Kestrel but in comparison a lot less that the Police dished out to the miners .. you won't get much sympathy

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Did you actually see the interview with this chap on BBC Breakfast this morning, think the producer would have been saying what have we done after he'd been on for 10 seconds, it was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Communist Party. One wheelchair user text in to say he was doing wheelchair users a disservice

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[quote=***Mr D***;862616] im torn on this one as she was an helpless lady who had one to many, the venom in the guys face was there for all to see......
i am now 50 never been charged with out but that doesnt mean im an angel and havent come close...
the police have a very diff - job and i do respect the ones who respect us, my son was arrested recently for a motoring offence, due to the unplesant nature of some policeman i advise my children to carry a dictaphone in their car.. my son did what he had to do when stopped.... the charges were subsequently dropped, ill leave it at that.

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kes- we cant say acab just because a small minority abuse their power, dont you think? this was an unacceptable disgrace, why didnt they just pick up the wheelchair with the person in it and calmly place it down at the side of the road, or place it on the path??.. i think 5 should have been enough,

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that last post but one is mixed up mate. i sure as hell didn't say that.:eek:

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hahahaha thats a gud un

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jaysay this was an innocent man walking home from his work, he was caught up in the wrong place wrong time, that could of been me or thee going home after putting a shift in.

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catch 22, in the first protest the police were soft handed, the anarchists then ran riot, im glad i wasnt under that fire ex- that got hurled from the rooftop, and some one as to do their work as a copper, i certainly wouldnt :-)

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I think it maybe an idea if you google Jody McIntyre and have a read at the thousands of links to this chap:rolleyes:

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i will do that ...

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[quote=jaysay;870070]I think it maybe an idea if you google Jody McIntyre and have a read at the thousands of links to this chap:rolleyes:

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[quote=kestrelx;864223]on this one kes- i dont think any off us can argue, this is another one were due-diligence wasnt applied... these grave mistakes from people who should do better creates the ill- feeling towards the powers that are there to protect us, whether its mps atealing tax payers hard earned cash, xmas clubs stealing from people who have to save wkly, or a small minority of coppers abusing their powers is something us brits just have to live with... the sooner that we are given back the power to make decisions on our own proud communties the sooner us common sense folk can put an end to these mindless acts and careless goverment mistakes... we all must remember one very important point and that is this, members off the police force agree with a great deal off public comments and they get as frustrated as us at not being able to act as they no best how to, we dont need all those quangos(spellcheck) above inspector level and espec- those overpaid upper lips who have never served on the frontlines of policing !!

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[quote=RHFOY;870082]i have done this but i cant get a direction as there are so many diff- postings

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and im afraid that the working class party are responsable for all these overpaid quangos

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Now which party would that be then:rolleyes:
....I see silver spoon toffs heading both

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probably the most honest quote on here.

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yes silver spoon toffs who have been spoilt and again have never had to struggle to put bread on the table, imho opinion we need a new political group called the peoples party, and one that i feel must be led by a working class person who as done well as enough money to ensure their not out for their own personal gain, this person would then have all the ingredients to feel empathy towards all classes... the facts are none off the main three stick with their pledges and easierly get dragged into the greed machine and soon turn into the me myself and i brigade !!!

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The way we are governed now makes communism look more attractive by the day.
Then of course there are varieties of communism.
This one hasn't been tried yet
Stateless communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Joe Stalin would agree wi that.:D

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Now that wasn't true communism - that was a dictatorship.
....and now Russia is ruled by Mafia - nobody gets it right do they? - due to greed/corruption

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thats the problem,theres never been true communism, ideas nice, the practice aint.;) by the same token never been true socialism, but it got a bit nearer n communism.

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great comment again i think we have all lost hope due to the scams and deceit of the people, we must be a laughing stock with certain countries who must think how can a country become so broke??? ah yes they had no controls over their bank managers, stock exchange and financial advisors, ah and then the highway robbers were then rescued by their own people, AND NO ACTION WAS TAKEN against these pirates !!! what hurts me is this... the working class people who get up every day to fund this country are the innocent victims of this deplorable situation, the people in the building trade and our much needed labourers are one minute enjoying life being happy, paying there dues and then.. being hit with a crushing blow due to the greed of so called interlectual experts!!!!! this is so so wrong ill be back i must calm down as im hurting even more for the innocent victims!!!

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margaret have you ever been in politics? i ask as you sweep in with knowledgeable speed

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No - I was a civil servant for 35 years and lost all respect for 'democracy':D

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well you must have seen and shook your head in disbelief at some of the nonsense of the pc brigade !!!, better placed to express opinion/fact than me and many others.... :-)

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and then not being able to pay their 1st mortgage, car ,credits cards and on and on, this innocent position brings with it stress for either partner their children and soon become trapped in the rat race

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ive placed my extended reply on page 6

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Quite a few are now supporters of the Party you once worshiped cashy, but for gods sake don't tell Mancie he'll through a wobbler:D

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According to Sky News, Mark Andrew, the policeman in question has just been sacked.

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Aye he may have been cleared but he's also been kicked out.

Policeman cleared of cell attack is sacked - Crime, UK - The Independent

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well thats one not fit for purpose booted out for overstepping the uniform rules !!!!!

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When I said that, you might have thought it was just the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist - well - it happens:p

BBC News - Lawyer criticises police on undercover Pc Mark Kennedy

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...and further evidence concerning the G20 protest -
Scotland Yard chief says sorry over G20 policing - Crime, UK - The Independent
Commander Bob Broadhurst said the information was "true to the best of my knowledge at the time" but it has since emerged that both plain-clothes and covert officers were deployed during the protests.

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Been going on for years.

Many a politican has been ensnared by a pretty Bobby, employed to loiter seductively in a public lavatory.

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Yes I saw that on the news yesterday. Shows how incompetent the Police are they don't know what they are doing half the time.

Remember the guy who got shot in London, Jean Charles de Menezes

BBC NEWS | UK | Man shot dead by police on Tube

In the dramatization they made the police didn't have a clue what was going on. So you are right Margaret you know what's going on - don't you! :D

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Remember the guy who got shot in London, Jean Charles de Menezes
To be fair it wasnt the police who shot this man,but having said that it was SAS troopers operating on police" intelligence"

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Where did that come from ? I thought it was the Met's armed response/tactics team, Police firearms officers ?

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I have it from somebody in the know that the men who took part in that operation were not ordinary firearms officers but SAS troopers from the anti terrorist unit, who are better trained to deal with terrorists than the met.That is why when the unfortunate incident happened no officers were investigated etc.

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Funny that, I heard from the exact opposite from someone else who is in the know...

SO19 are allegedly, more interested in posing rather than being professional, according to my friend.

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Whether is was police, or SAS pretending to be police, matters not.
Police pretending to be 'rent-a-mob' does matter.

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Where is the photo from?

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And Left Wing thugs who infiltrate every supposedly peaceful demonstration, just to cause a riot are a big problem too:(

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Somewhere on the web - had it stored so long I don't remember.

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It could actually be a training exercise that the picture is taken from and also it looks like a foreign police force to me.:confused:

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Sounds like you are conspiring a theory, about unsourced, possible misinformation, being spread to the general public.

:D

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Army surplus, Patrol store, specialist equipment suppliers & as Walkin221 says a possible riot control exercise. Just because a picture shows one thing it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. I have several pairs of Boots & DPM clothing which is the same as used by todays Military though I've been out of the Army since 1993.

I know Germans who wear American combat gear to go fishing & no way have they any connection to a Military of any sort, some people look for conspiracies all over the place when in reality there aren't any (I do believe I've mentioned this before).

And believe it or not there are those out there whose aim in life is to start trouble & riots for their own ends & have no links with that Countries law enforcement or Military agencies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8094396.stm

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Could be a party at Max Molsley's flat.