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I've not really been around for a few days but it was all over the news on Friday about some north west councils looking to introduce the minimum price on alcohol in an effort to reduce alcohol-related incidents at weekend. Now either I am fortunate enough to live in an area that is magnificently low on that score (and indeed again when I lived in Lostock Hall) or the media is blowing this out of all proportion.
Some genius on the radio said that this will not impact on sensible drinkers but the question really is how? Price up for one is price up for all and the relief at saving a few quid a week when Asda put their wine back down to 3 for £10 was palapable, as a glass of wine is the only release I have from work. The pubs are on their arse as it is, how many more pleasures are we going to have taxed out of our price range? I am not happy about this and will fight tooth and nail to keep it out of Hyndburn. |
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Think it was Manchester Ken never heard of any council round here thinking of it
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The smoking laws have done enough damage to pubs by not being flexible, let's not make the same mistake with beer. |
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We have laws in this country because there are a minoirty of people who think they can live how they want, therefore the majority accept the law because of the minority.
I can think of nothing better for this country than raising the price of a pint to £20 and a gram of weed to £500 :) |
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Nobody smoking,drinking or driving,Would save the NHS a fortune in fact to hear the do-gooders talk we wouldn't need it.:rolleyes::D:D |
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The ban has to be seen in a long term context. Yes, some people have stopped going to pubs because they can't have a smoke, but others are being drawn to them by the cleaner atmosphere, and the knowledge their clothes won't smell like a used ash tray next morning. As for pricing of alcohol, the suggestion has been to make the minimum price 50p per unit to get rid of cheap 2 for 1 supermarket and off licence offers. It equates to a pound a pint, so unless there are any pubs selling beer below that level, they won't be affected. |
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Its all that smoke free alcohol that sends me off!
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Firstly, I said smoking laws, not flexibility on a ban. If there were dedicated smoking rooms or even smoking pubs then the story would be much different. I won't deny that it is nice to come home and not need a shower before bed but the lack of smokers has killed pub atmospheres stone dead in many cases. Secondly, it only equates to a pound a pint if beer is of a certain strength and that would push most real ale past the £3 a pint mark. Also, if what you say were true then we should be seeing pints sold for less than a quid now and we aren't. This is another prime example of the nanny state angling for another stealth tax. I didn't agree with the smoking ban and I don't agree with this. |
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I'm sure there are plenty of medical bods who will say that Friday and Saturday see a rise in the number of people hurt through drink but I've never been one of them and I don't know anyone who has been either. Too few dictating to too many yet again. An example of this cropped up at my surgery yesterday. For years, one particular residents group has been screaming that lower Rishton needs a bus shelter and that everyone complains about not having one so we allocated the funds and agreed that since it directly affected the front of one or two houses we would let the residents themselves have the final say. All of those shouting about the weight of public opinion on getting a new shelter.....didn't turn up. |
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We are all aware of the dangers but we put other people first in so much as we fund the services that provide the more wealthy with the care they are to tight to pay for themselves.Or to put it in the words of Alf Garnett we do it for Britain.:jimbo::D:D |
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The ban on smoking in pubs came in UK long before it did in France, so when I went to Portsmouth to do a 3 month contract I came across the ban in full flow - even with "police" checking places out.
It was quite obvious in the Portsmouth/Gosport/Fareham and surrounding areas, that pubs who had good smoking areas, and I do mean good, even though it was summer, were the ones that were thriving - the ones who didn't cater for smokers, quite often due to location, were suffering very badly. One thing that really P'd me off was that the bar in the House of Commons was exempt from the ban initially. Even though I don't smoke now, I do not find much pleasure in going into a pub/club for a drink, unless United are on the TV or it is an Accyweb Meet. It does not bother me one little bit when others smoke in my company - which surprises me somewhat. |
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Look, there's a simple solution to the problem of (cheap) alcohol abuse and minimum pricing is not it. What needs to be done is quite simple. Licenses to sell alcohol are withdrawn from every corner shop and licenses to sell alcohol (other than wines and spirits) are withdrawn from every supermarket. That just leaves your traditional pubs selling alcohol in volume and as such you reinstitute control on who is drinking and by how much. And you also keep traditional pubs alive.
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Taken from here Real Ale Pub Online Quote:
0.568 x %abv = number of units then %abv = number of units / 0.568 So here we go folk £3 / 50p = 6 Units 6 / 0.568 = 10.56 % abv You drink some wicked real ale. Some wine is only that %abv so you could get a pint of wine for £3 If you don't believe me about the wine read this From Alcoholic beverage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote:
0.568 x 16 = 9.1 units 9.1 * 50p = £4.55 If my maths are wrong is because I drank too much whiskey last night :rolleyes::D:D |
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Do as many sums as you like, minimum pricing will make beer more expensive in pubs. |
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Why will it? If the suggestion is 50p per unit it wont change most pub prices. |
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*cough* home brew..... *cough*
you can make booze very cheaply, if you price people out of the legit stuff you just encourage the moonshine business and people buying knock off vodka ( or is that industrial alcohol..... ) that will make them go blind. |
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Also the supermarkets will make a fortune- this rise will be pure profit for them as well. If the Government put tax up so you couldn't buy cheap beer I wouldn't like it but at least the money might save us being taxed more some other way. As it is the Government are proposing 50p/unit minimum price, not a tax increase, so the only beneficiaries are the sellers.Where can I get some shares in Tesco/Asda? |
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There's about 38 units in a bottle of my favourite whisky (Ardbeg Uigeadail), it costs £49.99 if you pay full price. Will I be able to buy a bottle for nineteen quid under this 50p per unit rule?
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As soon as I posted that I saw the flaw in my logic!
If the 50p is charged at source,i.e. the brewers, pub prices might go up but the supermarkets would have to pay more also. If it is charged at the retail point,which is more likely,the supermarkets will love it.I still want some shares! |
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Heads the supermarkets/retailers win, tails you lose! |
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Mr Angry ?;) Fashion Guru ?:D:D Political analyst ? :hitting8::rofl38: |
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The Noble Experiment ( the prohibition of alcohol in the USA from 1920 to 1933 ) is worth considering . I am sure the majority of Accy Webbers would favour a similar noble experiment in the UK .
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One of the first science lessons I had at school was how to make a still.I don't think they had Vodka in mind at the time but I'm sure glad I took notice.:cool::D:D
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I was quite proficient making beer & wine during my time in Saudi. Didn't have a still, but freeze distilling worked, managed to get around 35% proof that way - trying for more than that produced a fantastic "Slush Puppy"
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I used to brew wine and beer, but not spirits.
Prohibition in USA is what originally gave the Mafia the money and power they still have. Now they make money via other illegal practices - drugs and prostitution |
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As I said, do whatever maths you like to prove me wrong but if it ever comes in round here I'm afraid drinking will become an even more expensive hobby. Most pubs put up beer prices by 10p each budget despite the rise only being a couple of pence. They don't need to but they use it as an excuse and the breweries aren't going to miss out on that. I'll happily be proven wrong if and when the day comes but the pessimist in me still thinks that the smell of extra money will prove too strong for the majority of breweries. |
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In theory, decimalisation shouldn't have altered the price of things one iota, a penny tax rise shouldn't raise the price of ale by ten pence, the low cost of fuel over the summer should see gas and electricity prices drop later in the year. Funny how prices don't always run according to logic. |
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Price is going up in my local by 5p making it £1-70 for John Smiths - Carling will be £1-80.
Not the strongest beer in the world but at 4% and 4.2% it will do for me:D:cheers: |
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Carling I can just about stand but John Smiths.....how did that ever become popular? Get some Moorhouses down ya! |
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And on top of that they don't have all kinds of weird & wonderful ideas about taxing it either, standard across the board. |
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The point is Dad, the grafenwalder that is 39 euro cents a can over there is 75 pence per can here. We're already paying way over the top for booze in this country.
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Also, stop being posh. The best beer to drink in Berlin was Shultheiss
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Had a few pints of Robinsons Dizzy Blonde by the furnace last night, it makes winter working tolerable to know something of that quality is waiting for you at the end of the day. |
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They can put it up for me i don,t drink
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good man!! I also love to relax with a glass of wine myself!! shouldnt punish the good people should they eh x |
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Once again the spectre rises. What I take issue with is that they've identified were the problem lies (allegedly) so instead of solely dealing with the cause, they intend applying blanket coverage so even the "reasonable drinkers" are hit too.
How very political :( Theresa May defends government alcohol pricing plans - Home News - UK - The Independent |
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This is another example of the police and the courts not doing their job. If there is town centre violence fuelled by drink as she says then deal with the offender very harshly.
The problem is not the price of the alcohol, it is obviously the amount consumed and I don't think the price will change that. Some people think the only way they can have a good night out is to get totally falling down drunk. I could never understand that personally but I don't think increasing the price will help. I think the root cause of the problem is not the drink itself but the people who want to be drunk. Drink related crime should carry a much harsher punishment than it currently does. Several years ago people thought nothing of driving after drinking, now it is seen as wrong by most people. The same thing needs to happen for drunkenness in the street and the trouble that comes from it. |
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This will be just another stealth tax,:rolleyes: Far easier to tax "All" drinkers of ale, Than sort those who abuse it. They bleat on about the cost to the N.H.S. when it would be wiser in my view to introduce payment for the use of the services fer these idiots.:mad: Drink related crime i agree wi neil, harsher sentences plus pay fer any damages etc caused.
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Stop the Happy Hours a to discourage binge drinkers.
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But it won't effect the "hoorah Henry's" who get senseless on champagne every year at the various social do's they act irresponsibly as well but can afford to pay for the increases! :alright: |
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Whatever the price the "Hooray Henries" will always afford to drink
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OK Yah
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This is punishing the good majority because of the actions of the minority |
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As always sensible people always have to pay for the errant ways of the few
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It would be necessary to increase the price of alcohol astronomically by numerous pounds per unit rather than pence to have any impact. And then of course the trade in illegal alcohol would increase so it would create more problems than it would allegedly solve. This is just another tax on the poor dressed up as a public health issue. And I completely agree with Kestrelx about the hooray henrys who will continue to behave outrageously no matter what - I am thinking David Cameron and George Osbourne and their antics with the Bullingdon Club - do as I say and not as I do?
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I would be worried that people might be tempted to turn to cheaper drugs to get their fix. Grandpas medicine, goofy boots, spank or herbal jazz cigarettes, that sort of thing.
It's a tax on the poor, simple as. |
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If people have the money to drink alcohol does that class them as whatever you meant by poor? |
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A much more sensible idea would be to take alcohol out of the supermarkets...put it back into selling out shops/off licences.
Take public houses back to limited hours. I'm sure that this would be better for the publicans as well as the public. |
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Well, Neil making opening hours longer hasn't cured that has it.
It is an attitudinal problem, as you commented in an earlier post. Some people just go out to get drunk.......and they start at home first on the cheaper supermarket stuff. Maybe, what the brewers should be doing, is reducing the ABV........making drinks weaker.......watering it down. |
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Even a pint of Shandy costs the same as a pint of beer. I'm sure CAMRA will kick of if the ABV is reduced
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