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The Rishton Avenger is not obsessed day and night with getting his face in the paper saying how wonderful Hyndburn Council is, or how many meaningless awards we're paying to win.

The good people of Hyndburn want decent services provided in return for their tax money, not a weekly resume of how effing blinding frigging grateful they should be for having such an excellent council and brass plaques all over the shop proclaiming that a man taking home in excess of £30k is charging around the borough cutting ribbons and smiling for the cameras.

The lies are even spreading to Rishton with the latest copy of the Vision newspaper showing Cllr Stan Horne to have singlehandedly got the infamous Spring Street derelicts knocked down. They still appear to be there and since the Chief Executive of the council told me not two weeks ago that negotiations are a long way from being complete I'm more likely to believe him than a piece of election propoganda.

The expenses saga in Hyndburn is now gathering momentum and the fairly rudimentary digging I've done on it so far suggests that things have been claimed for in the Conservative camp without any actual meetings taking place.

The integrity of the current controlling group is somewhat suspect and whilst some of us try in vain to get the best for the borough it seems that we also have plenty of workshy councillors that only pop their heads above the parapet to garner votes.

It is disappointing and indicative of why people are so disillusioned with politicians.

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Just as London's streets are paved with Gold, Accringtons streets will soon be paved with a funny looking wet gold. One bloke who decided he didn't have time to dash off to the market hall because he would miss his bus relieved himself behind the Tardis :eek:

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Surely the powers that be must have accurate, full facts and figures, showing exactly how much money will be saved, if the Peel St. toilets are closed.

Surely?

:rolleyes:

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The request has gone in so we'll see what fruit it yields.

Expect an article in the Observer proclaiming Accrington to have the bestest toilets in the world.

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Well if its in the observer in must be true, that's what George Slynn always said:rolleyes:

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I also remember George asking how much the Council had in its reserve fund (or piggy bank as he called it). When told that the fund was money being kept for a rainy day, He said "Well let's bl**dy well spend it now. The bl**dy roof's off and the rain's pouring in!"

Strikes me that if the Council is now reduced to closing toilets to save money, it's the equivalent of the roof being off, so maybe they should be looking at the reserves a bit more liberally.

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Bog standard reply from PB's toilet roll.
:D

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Hahahahahaha

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I filled in the form and got the same answer back. I think as town centre manager he is just answering the questions, I doubt he has made the decision.

I replied asking why they are not both open all the time and received a reply saying it is down to cost.

We all like more services but most of us dont want to pay for them. Be interesting to see the figures when Ken posts them in a couple of weeks.


I cant help wondering if it has anything to do with the rumour I heard about the public toilets on Tinker Bridge in Ossy being reopened. After all there are no public toilets in Ossy and they have been closed for years, just a HBC owned eyesore now.

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They can't even decide the right story between them. A certain council leader told somebody last week ' We have a beautiful new market hall and we need to make sure it's used' when asked why the toilets were closing.

There are certainly no staff cost savings so whatever savings they dream up to justify it will be in pence not pounds. The Tardis outside has probably made more money than they save and thats privately owned.

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So he isn't really managing the town centre then, just a PA for others ?

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I did not say that.
I think like all Council Officers they have to do things that are decided by Councillors and also have to publicly agree with them.

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Dream on:D

So he thinks it will be profitable for the Market traders if everyone goes in & spends a penny?
It will take lots of visitors at that rate to cover their rent.

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At 3pm they were all closed except for ONE cafe and a couple of the little shops on the balcony. Ain't going to spend much there are they :D

Coincidence or not it has been very quiet up our end today. Combine that with a few treks a day to the far end of the market hall balcony I've decided to close Wednesdays at least for the foreseeable future. Give me chance to look around other towns and see if they actually want retailers. :rolleyes:

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I didn't say you did, there was a question mark at the end of my sentence, therefore it was a question :p

You might even find one with indoor plumbing, that would be a convenient move.

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Anyone with a modicom of intelligence knows this isn't about saving money, but an act of nepotism.

The fact that at least one small family run business is considering relocating, because these facilities are to be closed, is a disgrace.

I think this is a much more important local issue, than saying Google is a hard company to rival.

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It'a also about egotism ( is that a word ). They didn't get it right about 6 day trading, so they changed it to 5 and half day trading and then 7 day trading. Somebody please explain the logic to me :confused:

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I honestly think you should start a Facebook group, to pile on extra pressure.

It's easy to do, and the local papers like quoting how many prople have joined a particular cause, if they run the story.

(Use the potty photo.)

It'll litarally take five minutes to do, and could pay dividends.

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I don't think Muffin the Mule does logic.

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What sort of cost is this?

O.K. we could say these traders are dedicated, but, for them to trade the whole of the hall will need heating how much is that costing US, (not the traders), to keep the place open on what is basically a pompous whim?

:confused:

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Anyone with access to Facebook, who are opposed to these facilities closing, can now support the move to stop this happening.

Campaign Against Hyndburn Council Closing Peel St Toilets

Login | Facebook

Quick work Lancsdave.

:)

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hmmmm

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Sorry, could be because I'm logged in, or you need to be.

Anyone who wants to join just copy & paste...

Campaign Against Hyndburn Council Closing Peel St Toilets

in the search facility, and it'll take you to the page.

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Maybe there's a business opportunity here, Dave.

Stick a notice up in yer window, to read as follows:

Can't Find A Bog?

Crapped Your Pants?

Then pop in here and get a new pair,
with your name individually printed on.

All Styles & Sizes.

Only Two Quid

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If they can cut back on things they will do.

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Unless it's tasty swill, to fill the trough with.

Overflowing with butties, care of Hurn's.

:rolleyes:

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Over 100 people have now joined this group.

Totally opposed to these vital facilities being closed.

Campaign Against Hyndburn Council Closing Peel St Toilets

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...81827041855939

Please feel free to join, if you'd like to support the campaign to save them.

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I believe he has a bidet in his personal bog at Scaitcliffe Towers:D

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What a job!

Do you know who it is?

Poor sod.

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Odd.

Just checked.

There isn't a Cllr. Rimmer.

Perhaps the acolytes take it in turn.

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Tell me about it, my email in box is overflowing:D

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Well I can report, with with great accuracy, it ain't me:D

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Well our M.P.'s joined, and many opposition councillors, besides ordinary members of the public, angered at the proposed closing of these toilets, so you'll be in good company.

;)

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Perhaps we could spend a Saturday afternoon doing a full monty dole queue cultural arts type mob whatsit rip off, outside the bogs?

Now, what we need is a celebrity type figure to join in, anyone got Prince Charles's email address?

No, on second thoughts, a picture of him on the throne would upset his Mum.
:D

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Close the street, put up bunting, and have a Royal Wee.

:D

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You taking the P or what:D

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Yes.

Sorry.

We'd need council approval to close the street.

:rolleyes:

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You can't overlook these small details G, do ya think you get approval:rolleyes:

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Shouldn't be a problem, if they close the street as quickly and easily as the toilets, more footfall generated through the market hall.

a win, win situation for both sides.
:)

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FB group joined, our "esteemed" leader may find this is his "Waterloo" big style. He's a megalomaniac and this is a step too far.

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The campaign against the closure seems to be attracting a lot of support on Facebook. The Council should have a rethink on this. I just cant see the logic behind the closure.

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Think is was anybody asked for their opinion ?? Seems that the council heard one voiced suggestion of how to force people in the indoor Market backed by the local councillor and sod everyone else. Noticed they couldn't tell me in my complaint why traders and public was not consulted before being passed.

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whats the score??? have logged into facebook n sent request to join this group n sod all??? me no understand.:(

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Nowt come through to join so far Mr C

Correction I beleive you're in now ;)

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cheers just been fer a slash.:D

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Wish you'd stop P ing about:D

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Seen on a hot-air hand dryer in a local convenience:

Please push the button for a message from Peter Britcliffe.

Well not really, it was a few years ago in a pub near Lancaster and it referred to some grocer's daughter.

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If it was true yerself it wouldn't stretch the vocabulary, it would on say F off:D

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Just had notification through that the Cabinet have made the decision to shut the toilets on Mondays, Wednesdays and Sundays, with signposting towards the Market Hall toilets instead. Apparently this will save the council £10k per year.

I'm meeting with the new Town Centre manager next week to find out why the decision was made and hopefully finding some figures to support this.

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There's an article in the Observer which makes interesting reading ;)

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to me this seems nothing more than someone trying to con the public that this is a good idea because it saves money and i would love to see how stopping people peeing saves 10 thousand pounds a year.Maybe shutting the toilets upstairs in the market hall would be a much better idea .The outside toilets have been located there for many many years excusing the slight relocation of a few yards when the new complex was built and have served the public well mainly because it is the most ideal location for toilets to serve not only the shoppers but the workfoce in the market and the bus drivers

to me this whole escapade stinks ( excuse the pun) of and idea to help out 1 particualr buissness that hasnt been as unoticed as hoped but i can see this ridiculous idea been pushed through on sheer stubborness alone with the attitude that in a few weeks it will all be forgotten about

Ask him how much these new signs pointing to the upstairs cafe are costing while you are there.

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I don't believe for one minute the figurses being bandied about here, a saving of £10k per year? That figure must be a joke surely? Why not just close the toilets in the market hall? They aren't suitable to cope with a large number of people:confused: And they are hardly ideally situated are they?:mad:

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Ten grand?

My, that's a nice round figure.

Don't give up.

I'm sure we'd all love to know the breakdown, and exactly how that ten thousand pounds is arrived at.

Since Lancsdave, and other business, rent their properties off H.B.C., and don't have their own toilet facilities, I wonder if the powers that be worked how much a saving there'd be if the toilets in the Market Hall were closed?

Surely in the interest of saving tax payers' money, a fair comparisson would be made, before arriving at any decision?

That's if the decision was made with saving money in mind, and not about getting people to go upstairs in the Market Hall, traipsing through a particular cafe. Which I believe is owned by someone whose name is Britcliffe.

:rolleyes:

I was musing along the line of facilities, o.k. So the shops don't have their own toilets, is there anything in the rent agreement about toilets? Is there a legal maximum distance a landlord can expect a tenant to have to go before finding a relief station? Is there any decency in a council or it's leader that claims to be saving 10k by inconveniencing traders, bus drivers and shoppers when they spend almost half that amount per year on free butties for themselves?
Cut down on your own luxuries before you remove ordinary folk the pleasure of spending a penny.

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The controlling group have taken leave of their senses.

Of all the 15million+ that the Council spends each year, its hard to think of a more provocative gesture than saving 10k on cleaning toilets three days a week. Presumably that can only be saved by sacking the cleaner and reducing the order for Ajax and Cillit Bang.

It's the budget equivalent of a scatter bomb, designed to impact on as many people as possible. It's all about cynical politics and nothing to do with responsible management.

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have just read the accy observer .. cant believe what theyve said ... councillor marlene haworth saying that we are all businessmen and that it will increase the footfall into the market hall .. and councillor britcliffe saying i dont know why it hasnt gone down very well because the toilets that can be used are just 100 yards away i dont see what the problem is it will still be convenient to spend a penny in hyndburn ....

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It's proved what we've been saying on this thread 'increase footfall for businesses in there' I was so angry when I read that, I think they best hope I don't bump into either of them :rolleyes:

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Unless I'm mistaken it's around the same figure as buying votes with a bag of grit ;)

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anyone got one of them meters you used to use when you were at school ... that measured distance ....:D:D:D

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I asked the same question when I read that :D

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The last one in particular must be one of the most arrogant statements I've read. He also lied about the signs on Monday, they were up the week before. They also state that council bosses say it's a trial period, read back on this thread and see what the council actually said in the reply everybody got, it says re-locating.

They can't get a story straight between them:mad:

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It probably costs more than 10k a year to open the Market Hall on Sundays

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'What's all the fuss?' said Cllr. Britcliffe.

'The other toilets are only a hundred yards away.'

Ignoring the fact that we live in a metric world, I'll eat my Easter bonnet if it's 'only a hunderd yards'.

Go along Peel Street.

Cross the outdoor market.

Go through doors of Market Hall.

Cross the wide open space of the hall, where once there were stalls.

Mount the stairs.

Walk through the empty tables of Britcliffe's coffee and bun shop.

Arrive at toilets.

Thankfully enjoy the relief.

We know he was a special needs teacher, and from his previous posts on here, we know accuracy with figures isn't his strong point, but if he expects us to believe it's 'only 100 yards' he must think we're all sat on the special bus, licking the windows.

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At my age, I'm afraid the relief might well be before I've crossed the outdoor market. :(:(:(

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As a rough guide the distance from the toilets to the fag kiosk is approx 33 yards. I don't think 100 yards would actually get you in to the Market Hall

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One Hundred % behind every word Less

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Mount the stairs, me thinks Jaysay would have peed his pants by then, Stairs and me don't go down well, that's why I got a transfer to a ground floor flat may moons ago:rolleyes:

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A bit like Marie Antoinette, but P.B. would have us on a diet of urinal cake.

The arrogance of the man is beyond belief.
:(

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There is a lift.

A tiny lift.

That handily takes you up to the cafe, and bladder relief.

Either way, it's still over 100 yards.

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actually you won't have tp mount the stairs but if you're on your own then I'm pretty sure you would have to go the long way round to the disabled toilets. The automatic doors are at the Blackburn Rd end :D

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you can laways walk the 20 yards from the bus station to the toilets at the far end of the arndale center.

sory about the 20 yards i was using the britcliff metric system :)

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I'd have to call into gift print so you could give us a shove Dave:D

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Don't tempt me, we are near the buses :D:D:D:D

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Wouldn't the 10 yards to the new Tesco be quicker ?

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Perhaps it's hard to judge.

Depending on where you're sat.

http://www.foolsfestival.com/2008/im...edan_chair.jpg

I'm suprised the distance wasn't given in chains, or cubits.

:rolleyes:

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That would be daft really any bus that hit me would be of the road for months for major repairs:D:D

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Being just a touch cynical on the odd occasion, I'm just wondering, as our glorious leader has said, Could it be that what we are looking at here is a smoke screen?

Could it be that he has no real intentions of closing the toilets but instead has something else in mind?

Perhaps a few redundancies? However knowing how peoples feelings are running high at the moment and elections coming up, if he was to dismiss people off his own bat not a popular move.

If he was to stir the pot a little & create a slight diversion, say alter the opening times of some toilets and claim that it's 'cost cutting'.

Then when he backs down and says o.k. keep the toilets open but I was doing it in an attempt to save jobs, now, my people of Hyndburn I have no alternative but to find a different way of saving money, jobs will have to go!

Then like Pontius Pilate this vile man can claim that his hands are clean because the people have spoken.

He might not be capable of thinking up such a scheme, but I bet he knows a few men that can.
:(

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i wonder how long it will be before that so called lift starts stinking of urine, not everyone can hold it in

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i reckon this song sums up that Britcliffe fella
(him being the gaffer)

YouTube - The Houghton Weavers - Poverty Knock

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Judging from the Facebook campaign and the speed with which this thread is growing, I suspect they already have.

Dictating to the people instead of listening? Told you what would happen, forgive me for sniggering, Peter.

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Yes it is pleasing, but now is perhaps not the time to gloat? Save that for May.

What I hypothesised about in:-

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/880371-post181.html

Could perhaps happen, so maybe you should give some thought about saving jobs before he uses such a low down method of facesaving.

:rolleyes:

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Talking of which, if any Accy Web member thinks the closure of these town centre toilets is wrong, and would like to join the Facebook campaign, to try and reverse this ludicrous decision, please feel free to join the growing throng.

Campaign Against Hyndburn Council Closing Peel St Toilets

http://www.facebook.com/garinda#!/ho...81827041855939

If Facebook can help bring down an Egyptian dictator, we can similarly help pull the chain here.

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Keep your eyes open for a Hyndburn Council van going round removing all telephone cables and masts tomorrow :D

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whilst yes its been said there is a lift( minute though it is) no consideration has been given at all to people that are unable to use such a contraption.:(

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Oh no.

It's not more tax payers' money being spent on another community arts project, is it?

Flash Mob Attack, in Victorian costume.

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Well if the powers that be want to show members from other areas around the new market hall you can bet it will be on a Monday,Wednesday or Sunday then they can say how people are supporting the new market just look at the statistics for more foot fall to the market. (forgetting to mention the toilets are closed on these days):D

Suppose its one way of getting more people into the market hall

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We're now so far gone as far as democracy is concerned that the only thing left to do is ride it out until the voters say otherwise. When councillors are finding out what the Cabinet have decided from the papers and the internet then you know something is wrong.

I feel sorry for the decent Tory councillors out there (and they know who they are) because they're lumped in with the Leader of the Council. I get on very well with a few of them and can work positively alongside them on committees but you can see the whip being cracked at voting time and I'm not convinced that it's what they really think to be honest.

The local elections in May are the best way to change things, encourage everyone you know to go and vote.

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Always do and always will.

No matter who they vote for, even if they just turn up and destroy their ballot, so long as they make the effort rather than come out with something along the lines of, "what's the point I don't make a difference". :)

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My sentiments entirely. Red, blue or other, make your personal views known at the ballot box, it is the loudest voice we have to make our feelings of politicians known.

If you don't use the opportunity then don't moan too loudly about the state of the borough.

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Unless they stand up and be counted the ordinary Joe Public will think otherwise :rolleyes:

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one of my friends who lives in Accy doesn't vote, i've told her she will this year, even if i've to drag her across the road to the polling station

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You what Dave:D HELLO, HELLO, HELLO ANYBOY THERE, BLOODY PHONES GONE DEAD:eek::eek::eek::D

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Totally agree on that front Ken, last general election was the first time in my life I didn't vote Tory, that was on a matter of principle, but I DID vote, or should I say registered a vote. Your also right in saying if you don't exercise your right to vote on polling day you forfeit any say in what happens afterwards. Its always surprised me that the turnout at local election very rarely hits the 50% mark, maybe in selected wards or if as last year they are on the same day as a general election, yet talking to people in the main they always say I always vote, well there are lots of people telling porkies:rolleyes:

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The internet went down earlier bit I got a 100yrd piece of string attached to a bean tin and hung it out of the Market Hall toilet window :D

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s o s

:D:D:D

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Or maybe S O D save our Dave:D