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Finally they got him , 8.30 pm California time (4.30 am UK time) Pres Obama comes on TV for special announcement , first reports say they got him last week .
Body in US custody , hopefully they will treat the same way the Saudis did with the fanatics who took over the Kabba in Mecca in 81 , chop it up into sections and send the parts to different parts of the country , also if the cadaver is in bits "he" cannot enter paradise get his 72 virgins (think this method was popular with the British in India at one time , (put the body in front of a field gun/canon and 'light the blue touch paper' .

Only thing which strikes me as a bit odd is the late night timing of the announcement, if he was killed last week why wait till nearly midnight on Sunday after the late night news programs have ended on the East Coast :confused:

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Memorable, and good, news to wake up to.

Was shocked at all the people outside the White House. Celebrating like the 'war on terror' is now at an end.

I wish it was as simple as one assassination, but fear it isn't.

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History will tell how significant is the murder of Bin Laden. It gives the American people a feeling of revenge over 9/11. The person ultimately responsible has been brought to justice.

As for ending the threat of terrorism from Islamic extremists, that is a completely different matter.

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Interesting which country he'd been living in, in his mansion.

Let's just hope it wasn't built with foreign aid from Britain.

BBC News - Pakistan could be top of UK foreign aid list

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not seeing it as murder here,more justice :-)


now someone hook me up with an osama is roasting like a pig in hell t-shirt so i can go walk around asda and see how those idiots that were cheering for him and mimicking airplanes crashing when he dropped the twin towers like it.

also not shocked at where he was hiding either im just shocked it took this long but better late than never

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Good news indeed.

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I sense this announcement is a propaganda diversion.
Benazir Bhutto said he was dead during a TV interview - and she's well rotted herself by now too.

How convenient for Obama to announce this now and draw attention away from the issue of his nationality.:rolleyes:

As for his death, whether real or fabricated, I don't give a damn.

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This announcement, whether real or fabricated, does make me wonder who is going to be named as the next 'bogeyman' for the US citizens to direct hate at.

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Maybe it's some elaborate identity theft plan :)

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Funny enough margaret some americans are thinking like you

wether thats a good thing or not i cant comment :D

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as others have said, this aint the end of terrorism, more likely a new beginning, as fer a dead Osama, so what? theres one on every corner oer yon.:eek: Good Riddance.

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Osama Bin Laden was once a CIA operative.
Now wouldn't it be sensational if they buried this body(who ever it is) at Arlington? :D

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Reports saying he has already been buried at sea ( still never figured out how you do that ).

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I repeat - it's propaganda for political purpose - so why feel any emotion about it one way or the other?

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Think that comment is probably as much propaganda! its a very unlikely load of bull,fer em to announce, knowing the likely repercussions. IMHO.

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Extra long spade :D

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Al Jazeera and Al Arabyia are saying its against "Shariah law" to be buried at sea.
Wonder if the US navy does it the 'traditional' way , pass the needle through that bit of flesh between the nostrils (Margaret P will know what its called) when they were sewing up in the sheet just make sure he was dead. ;) :eek:

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There are also tales that he has been in Dick Chaney's freezer, wrapped in bacon, since 2001 :D - why believe any of it?

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probably been buried at sea,so no one can dance on his grave.:D

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At least it is one less and a high profile one at that, just like Saddam.
Good.

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jesus could :D

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The only concern I have is that the need for a new 'bogeyman' will lead to another atrocity, (whoever may plan it).

After all - governments need populations to be fearful in order that they be easier to control.

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Thats all well and good until he gets washed up on Blackpool beach with all the other turds :D

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To Quote a fellow aviator,
Maragret, say what you will but this man was directly responsible for the Murder of innocent human beings on 11th September 2001 and 7th July 2006. May he rot in hell.:dflam:

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Are you sure it was him? - how can you be sure?

PS It is healthier to question rather than believe everything you are told (especially by corrupt politicians)

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I am not going there Margaret.....

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A closed mind is a controlled mind:rolleyes:

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Well it sure wasn't Mother Teresa.:rolleyes:

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How did I know Margaret was going to have a field day when I saw this news this morning:rolleyes:

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It will be a field day for Less -
Yes I read your post - ignore list cancelled yesterday - bring it on!:D

I do not wish to thread wander but since mother theresa has been mentioned ;)
Exposing Mother Teresa by JOHN M. SWOMLEY
...no-one is 'saintly'

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Well yeh really are away wi the fairies, whilst everyone knows full well the lies told by politicos, this story cannot be bull, if it was it would be pretty simple fer O.B.L. to make another video n make the yanks look stupid, that would be a massive propaganda boost fer Al Quieda .:rolleyes:

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Well the fact that this guy is now history is good news indeed, I put the TV on at 8 this morning, and it surprises me how many ways there are to say somebody is dead, then go on to ask the world and his wife what they think about it. In one hour I heard Obama's speech about 5 times, Camerons the same, now they've changed the TV scheduling on BBC1, Why do they have a news channel, I didn't watch the BBC news for 3 days to get away from the Wedding of the year, just when I thought it was time to go back in the water, they bump of Bin Bag, looks like its another news embargo for the next few days:mad::mad:

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So you all think he died yesterday do you?
Maybe you were born ..........yesterday:rolleyes::D

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Glad I'm back in your Accyweb life Margaret:s_gupjump

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Wait for it Margaret, the film "Death of Bin Laden" containing actual footing from a GIs head cam:D

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So he has been killed......just because you kill one cockroach, doesn't mean you have got rid of the infestation.
I am sure he has left one thousand other young men ready to take his place......we are fools if we think this mans death is going to do anything against terrorism.

Pakistan has frequently denied being involved in providing support for Bin Laden and his cohorts...this now proves to be false.
Our money, in the shape of foreign aid, is arming these radicals against us.
Countries who are giving shelter/supporting terrorists should be denied all foreign aid

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Thats a bit of good news.

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Some people say many of those Bin Laden tapes are propaganda too
POSITIVE PROOF - The Alleged Osama Bin Laden Tape - IS A FRAUD!!! - 15 Dec 2001

I don't think I will ever convince you that you are being manipulated.

I haven't reached a conclusion about any of it.

I just know that it isn't wise to believe all we are told.

The deviousness goes deeper than any of us are able to understand, and the motives behind it are unfathomable.

All I can advise is be sceptical.

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With the greatest respect Cashy......(and you know I like the way you don't mince your words)........I don't think this is what MargaretR means.

It may be true that he has been killed....or it may not(we have all seen what special effects men can do in movies).
Barack Obama is having a particularly torrid time, politically, at present.
If it is true that OBL was killed several days ago, then why wait to announce it to the world?

If you are of a cynical turn of mind( I am....and I suspect you are too) then what was the purpose of delaying this information?

There may be a reasonable explanation.....it might have been to do with military operations....but it may have been something else....it may have been to boost the political career of the jaded president.
Then again it could be something else entirely.

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some reports said last week,some said yesterday, does it really matter when? the guys dead simple as. maybe you were born yesterday if yeh think the when matters?:rolleyes:

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The when doesn't matter - the timing of announcement does.

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At least he got to see the wedding before he went.

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G....you are naughty....but I confess to thinking the same thing when I heard the news that Henry Cooper had died.....are we sad or what? :)

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all governments make annoucements at best possible time fer their own ends, nowt new in that, still don't detract from the fact the scumbag is history.

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It is good that so many feel positive joyful emotions, but there are better reasons to be joyful (aren't there?):confused:

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Can't see this announcement will help any government really, bank holiday, people in a feel good mood after the wedding, suns shining, United got beat yesterday, what more do you want:D

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I feel perturbed by it.
The death of this man doesn't mean an end to terror........I am sure there are more architects of terror left behind to avenge this mans death......and I'm sure they will make a concerted effort against the West.
They will still take our handouts though.

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It is essential that you question who is orchestrating terror.
Are you being manipulated to feel terror?

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I don't think too many people who lost loved ones in the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings feel manipulated into feeling terror Margaret

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I don't think they should assume that the named perpetrators are the ones that did it
....just because they are told

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They were manipulated, they were manipulated by the terror campaign.......and every single day since then, anyone who flies abroad is reminded by the restrictions imposed on them, that the terror is still out there.
We have all had our lives changed by those acts......we have no choice over the matter, so how can you say,in all honesty, John that we are not manipulated.

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I actually think it gave the game away slightly when the guy himself went on Arabic TV and claimed responsibility Margaret ;)

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Some men admit to murders they did not commit....because they want the world to think they are powerful.

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True but the guy who admitted it is now dead, if that gives a bit of solace or closure to all those that have lost friends n family, then its fine by me.;)

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I don't call that being manipulated Margaret ( bloody hell I've just realised I'm being twoed by two Margaret's:)) It's making people more aware of their own security, which is a very good thing

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I hope this thread provokes you into thinking 'Who gains by keeping us afraid?'
......hint 'follow the money'
......our society (I can't call it civilisation, because it isn't civilised) is built on
.......GREED

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I always find it very strange,that some people seem more concerned about a scumbag terrorist,than those who have lost family n friends through there acts,:confused:

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If you cannot do something that harms no-one else, and are regulated by restrictions, then surely that is being manipulated......is it not?
If I change my habits to conform to something caused by an external force......isn't that being manipulated? I believe it is.
I have not travelled abroad since many of these restrictions were placed on the travelling public......though in the past, I have travelled worldwide.
I have no problem with well organised security measures, but many security measures are not well thought out, or well organised.

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When we are dealing with these people its an all new ball game, people like when bin laden can influence young men to strap explosives to their own body then walk into a crowded place and blow themselves up, along with innocent bystanders with the promise of paradise and exorbitant supply of Virgins, that's a frightening concept, These people are powerful in a way that we can't begin to perceive, so when one is taken out in this way its great to hear

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Cashy, I do feel for those who lost their loved ones in these attacks, but it has to be said......killing this man, does not make one jot of difference to the risk of terrorist attacks on Western establishments.

We are giving foreign aid to Pakistan.....the country that harboured and supported Bin Laden...even though it protested that it didn't.
The money we send will give support to the upbringing of boys who will follow what they see as a religious cause....to kill the infidel.

I have no feelings about the death of Bin Laden....other than trepidation for the future.

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That viewpoint is fine
....when you know who is the terrorist

If you are more comfortable believing all you are told - fine.

I am not easily convinced because I think we are misled by the motives (we are told) are behind terrorism.

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No John, it isn't great to hear, because where he was, thousands will follow.....and that is dangerous.
It would have been better for him to be captured and spend time in some prison somewhere.......alive he was a figurehead...dead,(and having died in such circumstances) he is a martyr.

As you so rightly observe, we cannot begin to understand the mentality of these young men...except to say that their belief is what drives them....they are brainwashed from being toddlers.

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Bin Laden or not a nutter is a nutter, dont honestly think his life or death makes one jot of difference to these clowns, sure another act will be commited somewhere n they will use this fact as n excuse, but i don't honestly think they would be good ole boys if he hadn't been topped.

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Margaret with the best will in the world and with the greatest respect, I'd hate to live in yours :eek:

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I think you mean 'I couldn't cope with doubt' - sad for you (from my viewpoint)

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heard one report saying this was the reason Wills n Kate cancelled the honeymoon, that could be possible as they would tell the royals n not the peasants.:rolleyes:

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No Margaret I could go through life thinking everything was a conspiracy, and that everything is meant to bullshine us, I feel I've been around long enough to work out what is right and wrong and don't need to look round every corner with trepidation, And I also think I'm old enough to take with a pinch of salt is served up daily in the media, that is why I cancelled my papers a longtime ago and only watch BBC Breakfast (and not even that when things like this happen) but you have your opinions fair enough, sorry I don't share them

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Surely cashy that could never happen, could it!!!!!!;)

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I have found an interesting analogy claimed between Bin Laden and Goldstein, ( in Orwell's 1984)

Emmanuel Goldstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -

Goldstein is the Osama Bin Laden figure in Orwell’s novel, an extremely elusive person who is never seen, never captured, but believed by the leadership of Oceania to be still alive and hatching his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the protection of his foreign paymasters. Since Goldstein is "never captured, the battle against his crimes, treacheries, sabotages must never end."

The legal scholar Cass Sunstein in his 2009 book Worst-Case Scenarios, coins what he deems the "Goldstein Effect", describing it as "the ability to intensify public concern by giving a definite face to the adversary, specifying a human source of the underlying threat." According to Sunstein, since the U.S. War on Terror has so heavily associated terrorism with Osama Bin Laden, the outrage has intensified in similar ways as displayed in 1984.

So the bogeyman is dead - who/what will replace him?
I don't like to admit this but I feel it will be something/someone far worse.

....but don't be afraid, because that is what is required of you ;)

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I couldn't honestly give a rats margaret, whatever happens, happens, i can do sod all about it. so why worry.;)

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Not a conspiracy theorist but my first reaction to this was there is going to be another attack - wounded beast and all that.

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There is always another attack round the corner Sam they don't go away, its known that lots of terrorist treats are stopped before they're put into action, its a fact of life sadly

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Not worrying.....just observing ;)
I gained this inner calm when I lost any 'fear of death'. That fear is the ultimate fear for most people.

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There's been a special news broadcast on BBC1 at 11-30 to tell us Bin Laden is dead!!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:, incidental the exact same broadcast was being transmitted simultaneously on the BBC News Channel, we're already into overkill:mad:

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Well not for me either Margaret, been there done it got the T-shirt ;)

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So you have had an OBE/NDE ?- interesting;)

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I'd have a go.......don't mind wet feet!! :D

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Whilst celebrating Arsenals victory yesterday,it was perhaps a little unwise of Bin Laden to rush out into his yard shouting "come on the GUNNERS!!" :)

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I heard that the US Government hacked his Playstation account and got his whereabouts from his gamer ID. Now that's a conspiracy theory ;)

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hahah thank you for the Karma Jaysay.........which oddly you sent at 9:11 how ironic!!! x

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So he's dead, whether it happened years ago & been kept quiet to perpetuate the belief of the war on terror & allow the use of armed forces in places such as Afghanistan or only the other day by special forces (SEALS) in a hideout in Pakistan (an ally in the hunt for terrorists ?), the "benefit" is negligible.

There will always be someone somewhere, who is willing to step up & take over the mantle of public enemy#1. The threat needs a face, this makes it easier to vindicate any actions carried out by a government in the name of protection. Likewise the terrorists need their martyrs & leaders to encourage a steady flow of converts & believers, OBL was their figurehead, an example used to keep the hatred afire.

Whatever the actual facts it's now in the public domain that he's dead, but what's to follow as surely somebody will, we can only hope they're quickly identified so at least we're aware of where the threat is coming from. In this turbulent World though we still need to remain ever vigilant.

~ The tyrant dies and his rule is over, the martyr dies and his rule begins ~

Incidentally SJ I think it's a 'Septum'

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thanks DinG , knew someone would know ;)

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A Royal Wedding ,sunshine and Bin Laden dead.... I didn't realise Carlsberg did bank holidays :D

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A prince gets married, the bad guy is dead. It’s a real Disney weekend here on earth.

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And a general election in Canada which could, if the polls are accurate, revolutionize politics over here, with the left in power, or controlling the balance of power.:alright:

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The political situation in Canada is looking very interesting Eric.

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Just got home from a very nice flight back from Spain. 6 pages and most of it Margaret!
Just a thought for those of you who disbelieve, I see Al Jazzera or even the internet has no speeches from Bin Laden. Maybe the US got it right.
Anyway back to my Champagne, a good day for the world.

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Maybe they'll be the next target for our home grown 'protected species' radicals!

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I missed that post, or I would certainly have confirmed that the bit of the nose you were referring to, is indeed the nasal septum.

I'm glad I am handy for something :D

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Yes I certainly did, twas in Burnley General, 1984, I could see myself led on the bed with two doctors and three nurses trying to infuse drugs into me and was surrounded with white light, but I'd no intention of dying in Dingle land and made a recovery:D

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Like Jimmy Jones once sang I have Timing Romps good timing:D

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from the bits I've seen/read the 'Labour' guy has a taste for sticky rice :eek: :D ;)

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I thought I would just point out the fact that MargaretR has posted 21 posts to this thread.....while I have posted 10(well, 11 if you count this one).

I don't disbelieve the reports that he is dead.......I'm just not sure that this was the right way to deal with him.
The news bulletin said that he had been buried at sea to prevent his grave becoming a place for pilgrimage....but won't the place where he was killed become a focus for that pursuit?

I think that him being killed is like the killing of the mythical Hydra.......other heads will grow in its place.......and the muslim fanatics and terrorists will just seek to avenge his death.

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It's more than interesting, it's revolutionary: a quiet revolution Canadian style. The politicians told us that the election was about the economy, getting tough on crime, buying $30 billion worht of fighter jets, stimulating growth by cutting corporate tax rates. Candians said, "BS": it's about health care, education, security for seniors, higher taxes for those who make the most, esp. big corporations:alright:
I realize that this is a major "wander"; but a seperate thread about Canadian politics would end up being even shorter than "The Complete Dictionary of Italian War Heroes.":rolleyes:

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I meant Margaret R.
At least it's one less

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I know its a thread wander, but it looks like the left are set to make gains in Canada. Out of interest Eric, Michael Ignatieff the Liberal leader in Canada, is he the historian who spent a lot of time in this Country.

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The existence of a Bogeyman of some kind maintains the need for a partial suspension of civil liberties e.g. Aren't we lucky to have Guantanamo? Otherwise we would never have found out the name of Bin Laden's trusted courier.

Also I'm really confused about how to react. I do not think that he was a major player anymore -getting his communications by carrier pigeon would negate his effectiveness somewhat. However I cannot shrug off that feeling that I get when the joyrider comes to grief on "Police, Camera, Action".

Not to worry something else will come along to grab our collective attention soon.

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Yesyesyes!

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He must be dead weve all seen the bloodstained carpet on the news, I don't know what kind of proof do you need. :eek::eek::eek:

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Did they remove his brain befor they tipped him overboard, dont believe everything they say ???.