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No that isn't substitute swearing. Blackpool uneasy at prospect of 'fracking' boom on its coastline - Home News, UK - The Independent so significant are the deposits and so huge the rewards, the industry could be on the verge of major expansion not just across Lancashire but the whole of the UK There is methane in the shale rock under Lancashire and fracking is the method used to get it out. The method is banned in France. A mix of water containing toxic chemicals is pumped into the shale to fragment the rock. Not all that water comes out with the methane, so the groundwater gets contaminated. Gas clouds occur at the well head - toxic clouds. The underground 'booms' as the shale fragments are reported as 'disturbingly loud' by people who live in areas of the world where this practice is used. If any wells are contemplated in our area we should oppose that operation. The largest fracking operation that I am aware of is being done in the mid west USA and has destabalised the New Madrid faultline.(increased earthquake risk) We may not have the same risks as they do but you should know a hazard when you see one, and this is one. Up In Flames: Cameron's pledge to lead the greenest government ever - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent It is not as environmentally friendly as it looks. |
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More news - note my emphasis in the news extract.
If it wasn't a hazard it wouldn't be SECRET Results of controversial 'fracking' for shale gas in UK will be kept secret | Business | The Guardian The results of the first attempt to extract shale gas in the UK using a controversial technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking", will be kept secret for four years, the Guardian has learned. |
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You're getting as bad as C'mon with your highlighted sensationalism Marg. :rolleyes: Taken from the vary same article you posted :-
"They get four years to look around – that [four-year period] is protecting their commercial opportunity." He added that it was normal practice for oil and gas exploration companies to keep such commercial information confidential for a period. If it wasn't commercial it wouldn't be secret ! Much has been written & placed in the public domain about the actual process & its effects, from this various Governments have to balance the Countries ability to be fuel self sufficient or reliant on foreign imports, plus the benefits against the negatives. This isn't an ideal World so everything can't be perfect & suit everyone, some measure of calculated risk is present in every, everyday action & we've just got to get on with it, that or go back to the stone age ! (Which wasn't exactly risk free either. :)) |
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Whether the reasons for secrecy are commercial or otherwise, the fact is that it has environmental disaster potential.
YouTube - My Water's On Fire Tonight (The Fracking Song) Natural gas fracking can make local well water explosive extracts - "A study, released yesterday by PNAS, now shows that fracking may be contaminating local groundwater with enough methane to pose a risk of explosion" ...!there are many old and abandoned drill sites in the area, and fracking may have opened a pathway for gas to escape into these wells." (potential to leak into old mineworkings?) |
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The words "can, may & potential" feature strongly in these reports & reviews, that doesn't mean it's inevitable there'll be problems Marge. Admittedly cases have been reported where there are adverse effects, but what you don't get reported are the operations where everything has gone to plan & there's no difficulties, non events don't get headlines do they ? :)
How many thousand times a day do people do dangerous things eh ? Dangerous goods & tanker transporters, everyday thousands are running the length & breadth of the Country, no one bats an eyelid & it's a routine part of daily life, you don't see the headlines "X thousand Dangerous cargoes transported today !" but if one breaks down or worse blows up the "Meedja" are straight on the case with their hyperbole is what I'm saying. Let the lads get on with the job & let's await the outcome before we start to shout too loudly. :) |
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Some risks are neccessary - this one isn't
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Was reading about this the other day, dosent sound to good.
YouTube - HYDRAULIC FRACTUING (GAS LAND) PT1 YouTube - HYDRAULIC FRACTURING (GAS LAND) PT2 YouTube - HYDRAULIC FRACTURING (GAS LAND) PT3 YouTube - HYDRAULIC FRACTURING (GAS LAND) PT4 |
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I have watched the ones you have posted and will be watching the rest on youtube.
I am alarmed when it was made clear that a reverse osmosis filtration system does not remove all the pollutants. Our municipal water purification systems are less efficient than reverse osmosis (which is regarded as the ultimate method) The toxicity effects that the people there are experiencing is far worse than even I imagined. Until now I thought that the increased earthquake risk for the Madrid Fault (which runs from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico) was the main threat. Low magnitude quakes have greatly increased in volume since fracking began. The big quake of 1812 was magnitude 7 1812 New Madrid earthquake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - this fracking could trigger another big one. YouTube - New Madrid Earth Quake (coming St.louis) What is interesting to note is the New Madrid fault is NOT on the junction of tectonic plates - neither are we. We just have a maze of old mine workings - many of are which unmapped - which could fill with methane, and eventually leak out at the surface in the most unexpected places. What's under your house? |
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Like you say a maze of mine workings. |
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Those poor sods in USA!
The more I look, the more the risk - 15 Nuclear Reactors on New Madrid Fault Line -- Society's Child -- Sott.net |
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Blackpool is C-O-O-L!!!!!!!.
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I have found the record of the parliamentary discussion of the shale gas
issue dated Feb '11 Here it is It is a lengthy record of conversation between geologists and politicians. An undue emphasis seemed to be placed on the financial aspects, but environmental issues were discussed too. I provide an extract of particular local interest - Quote:
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these shale gas extraction methods - which isn't quite playing cricket is it? ....and the decision on whether to extend the fracking to other companies and other areas is deferred for 4 years. |
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Don't know if you already have seen this but Pendle Hill is also in danger of being wrecked.
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Neil has PM'd me and I hope he can manage to post the info later Edit: I have added the missing text into Margaret's post 14 - Neil |
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NB “You never have control. Fractures will always go into the path of least resistance.”
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I have added the missing text into Margaret's post 14
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ooo stop I will go red :D
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The subject is being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show BBC Radio 2 today at 12-00.Mid-Day.
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I listened. There was a spokesman from the drilling company saying that the Lancashire shale gas field appears so rich that it appears that drilling down, and not sideways, will produce a good yield for a well.(seemingly good news)
The bad news - if the shale is so very profitable they are likely to want more wells. |
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seems the project has been put on hold for a while
BBC News - Blackpool Shale Gas drilling suspended after quake |
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Maybe the locals will campaign for the end of the whole 'shebang'. It is a yankee company - a good slogan (that has been used before) - "Yanks Go Home";) |
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Yes when I heard the news I thought of you Margaret...and thought you might just be smiling to yourself.
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came across this article in the a British newspaper , seem even the Texans (no one loves drilling and no one has more expertise or experiance for oil production than Texas) has one or two reservations about this "fracking" process
Texas forces firms to open up on 'fracking' - Green Living, Environment - The Independent |
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seems the French have so many serious concerns about the process that they have banned the process
France is Now First Nation to Ban ‘Fracking’ – Planetsave.com: climate change and environmental news |
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Well everyone knows how committed to the environment the French are after all 78% of their power comes from Nuclear, the highest percentage of any country in the world. Having 59 nuclear power stations is not enough, they are building some more. Perhaps they don't need fracking gas
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Fracking causes earthquakes in unexpected places
DutchNews.nl - Earthquake hits Nijmegen "The earthquake which shook Nijmegen and its surroundings on Thursday night was one of the strongest to hit the Netherlands over the past 100 years, the Telegraaf reports. The quake, measuring 4.5 on the Richter scale, hit at around 21.00 hours. No-one was hurt and there are no reports of damage but the tremors were felt as far away as Utrecht. The epicentre was in Germany. The strongest quake to hit the Netherlands in the past 100 years was in 1992, when an earthquake measuring 5.8 on the Richter scale hit Roermond. Quakes normally take place in the south of the country but also happen in Groningen province as the land settles following natural gas extraction" |
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What are you trying to tell us,we're all floating on a cloud of gas and if we extract it we'll all disappear down a large hole? The gas is extracted from a porous but solid medium,taking millions of coal out and leaving the mine tunnels open hasn't caused Accrington to disappear yet! Although some would say- no we won't go into that. |
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Here are a few more - so don't comment negatively until you have read about the subject. Earthquake Outbreak: Arkansas Bans Fracking Operations Inside Thousand-Square-Mile Area | Stuart H. Smith Scientists study link between fracking and earthquakes | Real Aspen | Roaring Fork Valley News, Guides, and Information Fracking & earthquakes: an inescapable connection | The Greanville Post |
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Unless you are aware that Holland has an oilfield:rolleyes:, the gas extracted is from shale, which requires fracking
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Perhaps I should have said ' Who says so who has a credible opinion worth reading'. The Greanville Post(What the System doesn't want you to know).A conspiracy site 'focusing on the infotainment world'! I think not. The Stuart Smith Blog? A lawyer, not a scientist.I think not. Aspen-first paragraph says,in brief,'large earthquakes in Virginia and Colarado AREN'T typically associated with hydraulic fracturing. So a 4.5 in the Netherlands probably has nothing to do with fracking, according to one of your sources. So the ground settles a bit, it often did after mining,no real problem. |
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So you want the opinion of a geologist? - find it here
OpEdNews - Podcast: Geologist Scott Ausbrooks on Fracking/Earthquake connection "Scott M. Ausbrooks, RPG Registered Professional Geologist Geohazards Supervisor, Arkansas Geological Survey Scott led a team that discovered a connection between Fracking disposal wells and earthquakes. " PS not all geologists agree - some are employed by the gas industry;) |
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'The earthquake connection is through disposal wells. Fracking can be done without disposal wells.' 'earthquakes in Arcansas near a quarry'. 'Filling a reservoir can set it off'. A picture of some mud with cracks in it-earthquake damage? For heavens sake, it's got FOOTMARKS in it-perhaps a VERY heavy person caused it. Hardly the end of the world. Your inference that any geologists who don't agree with your theory are employed by the gas industry diminishes your argument. |
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From the same news source I believe.
Earthquake in the Netherlands The most telling comment :- The earthquake took place at a depth of 7 km, which according to seismologists at KNMI is not deep. It is still unclear what caused the earthquake, but it seems to be a natural cause. Until confirmation, the accusation of fracking being responsible would appear invalid & yes I was aware of the Dutch oil fields. Living just 50 minutes from the Dutch Border I tend to spend a fair bit of time in Holland. |
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In Iceland yesterday they created about 100 earthquakes ( less than Magnitude 2) in 4 hours at the hydrothermal plant without problems.
Iceland Volcano and Earthquake blog | Blog about Icelandic volcanoes and earthquakes |
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latest comments to the subject as in the papers today :-
Will Blackpool become the new gas frontier? - Telegraph Also an interesting quote from the comments section :- Lastly, there is no “k” in hydraulic fracturing – people who use 'frack' {as against 'frac'** are recent discoverers of this 60 year old process, know little about it {apart from the polemic Gasland** & are knee-jerk opposers of it **& probably of any fossil fuel use**. :) |
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The July edition of 'Lancashire magazine' carried a story about the search for gas being undertaken a few fields away from where I live, in Singleton, near Pouilton le Fylde .....
'One of the company's founders is geologist Peter Tuirner, who was born in Oswaldtwistle. He had a glittering career as an academic before the foundation of Cuadrilla (the company) in 2007' Do we know owt about 'im? His mother was a weaver and he worked briefly in the same mill. His photo is in the magazine. 'Cuadrilla' is a Spanish word referring to the supporters of a matador in the bull ring. |
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PS I think that the pollution possibilities need evaluating. The potential pollution of groundwater could affect horticulture industry there.
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I don't know enough about it, but some years ago there was a new road proposed, running from the M55 at Kirkham to Fleetwood and passing through Singleton. A local councillor raised an objection 'because of the Singleton fault'. We laughed about it, but it turns out there is such a fault. To what extent it has affected or been affected by fracking I know not. Certainly there is enormous potential for non-imported gas supplies in the seams known as Bowland Shale. Our local councillors are keeping an eye on the company's activities, which are far more welcome than the illegal Travellers' camp close by.
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Bob - look back one post - you may have missed it whilst posting
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www.delawareriverwatcher.org Unfortunately, neither this organisation nor its website exists. The group they intended to reference is this one: http://www.delawareriverkeeper.org If these fools in the Green Party cannot even get this simple fact right, then I doubt if there is anything else right. Perhaps they and the bunch of crackpots who follow them should concern themselves with the real desecration of the environment, namely the totally unnecessary, obscenely expensive and grossly obtrusive wind turbines which are ruining our landscape. |
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Best Explanation of Fracking Ever This explains it.:D
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What puzzles me about this fracking, & causing earth tremors thro subsidence when they are driling down 1000's of feet, what about all the 100's of miles of disused tunnels, created by coal mining, we never hear of them being blamed for causing earth tremors.
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Government backtracks on fracking - Green Living - Environment - The Independent
"The Government has rejected shale gas technology as a solution to Britain's energy crisis, conceding it will do little to cut bills or keep the lights on." Experts have decided that the volume of gas available isn't worth the expense of extracting it. |
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I attended a meeting recently set up by the fracking company explaining what the orange cables were doing alongside lots of roads in the Fylde - they are attached to sensors which record sudden 'explosions'. The boss man was there, a Mr ? Turner, who is an Ossie lad. His sister still lives there. I liked him. No edge on him.His firm is caled Cuadrilla.
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The author of that article - Matt Ridley is a zooologist who writes on 'science matters' for a tory newspaper, and was a chairman of Northern Rock. (I wouldn't buy a 2nd hand car from him:D)
I have read his blog here Matt Ridley | DeSmogBlog In this blog entry Cheap energy and the North-east of England - Matt Ridley he states "Maybe I am biased, as somebody who still makes money from coal as my ancestors did." He clearly has a vested interest in the extraction of gas from coal seams. |
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was this louisiana sinkhole the result of fracking
Incredible moment Louisiana sinkhole swallows 40ft high trees in a swamp | Mail Online |
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its a disaster waiting to happen:eek:
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fracking is bad news if you live in the same area as the drilling. |
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I'm in two minds about Fracking. As someone born and bred in Cleveleys and Fleetwood, the horror stories do concern me, but on closer examination, most don't stand up to scrutiny.
The big plus for the area is in terms of jobs. Think the job situation in East Lancs is bad? The Fylde Coast's job situation is worse. There's very little industry and most of the jobs are in the service sector which is heavily seasonal and in the Civil Service which is getting smaller by the week. |
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the more you look beyond the headlines and the responses from the fracking companies and frackig pressure groups, the more dangerous it gets. |
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Hydraulic Fracturing Fluids Likely Harmed Threatened Kentucky Fish Species | Aleklett's Energy Mix |
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Reading that its evidence its "Likely" killed fish, nothing more n that as i can see.:confused:
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survey by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and "Likely" is a term used when when the evidence points to a cause but can not be proved to be 100% certain |
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We need the gas more than we need some 'small, colourful minnows'.
Russia has shown what it will do to gas supplies to countries it disagrees with- and we're not getting on well with Russia. Bulk delivery gas tanker ships from the Middle East and Morocco- how vulnerable and unreliable can you get? If Syria detonates the Mediterranean there goes a lot of our gas and oil. We're running out of our own gas and oil( it never covered us 100% even on full flow.) We've signed up to green policies we can't meet, so we're shutting down the coal power stations, we have only one potential nuclear station supplier left and they want such exorbitant terms we'll have to sit in the dark. Before one is switched on(a rolling ten years) we'll run out anyway- invest now in a candle company Renewable energy- how many windless days have we had during this lovely summer? Too many to keep your fridge running on green energy even if we covered every field with turbines- and we couldn't afford that electricity either. In the UK the fracking companies are obliged to declare what goes in the fluid and we are preparing more stringent rules than the US has. I have no fears of fracking, people forget we have been fracking in the UK since the 60's and no-one even noticed. We need it desperately, the sooner we get it on stream the better. |
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To be honest i am neither For nor Against fracking, i do not believe enough is known one way or the other,but after having lived to pension age, listening to do-gooders/p.c brigaders/ etc etc, i am leaning much further towards in favour of fracking, cos i'm thoughly sick of listening to those who tell me they know best.:rolleyes:
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Yes, there will be problems with fracking, but nowhere near as bad as they claim. However, to be honest, I find your above post to be borderline screams of ill thought out blind side that gives no-one of sense anything worth reading, unfortunately. You and they could be twins! |
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please don't throw insults at me because you happen to disagree with something I posted everyone should be allowed to express an opinion |
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As that post seems to be a reply to Gordon Booth, its you Accybeme thats having a "Bad Eye Day":hehetable
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And I never take offence at Less's posts, Accybeme. I know he's only having fun in his own cute way. |
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BBC News - Fracking confusion: How UK has been 'fracked' for decades
Finding that and remembering how to post it stretched my abilities. But there you are, Neil. And the BBC never lies or shows bias. Does it? |
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He thinks AccyWeb supports freedom of speech, which for some reason these days is translated to, we can't disagree with crap, it's a fools right to waste server space. ;) |
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1 &1/8 ounce shot, a real heavy load for a shot gun. |
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Hitting two clays, one with each barrel, almost at the same time is obviously a skill beyond you, Less.
I only managed it twice and I bet Retlaw found it difficult. Still, you hit accybeme. Have you tried fishing? |
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You'll know when I mean it. Meanwhile, don't take it personal just because you can't think of something worthwhile to say, it takes a great deal away from your reasonable posts. :D |
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HI, Less I see the temperature is still rising in Boloxnia are you still surrounded by your enemies or do you intend to make friends with a few
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Still, we all have our off days.:rolleyes: But enough of this merriment, back on thread- I wonder how the nice, respectable( well they looked it ) residents of Balcombe felt when the 'rent a hippy' mob turned up with their drums and pony tails? Turned a good protest into a farce. |
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well it seems they've had a change of mind here. wonder if its because its in the tory heartland;) Balcombe Fracking Operations Suspended
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Maybe Cmonstanley or maybe because its actually unsafe and we dont yet know the full damage it causes.
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Or maybe the locals realised how much the house prices would drop.. :D
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I see that a town in Sweden has been moved a couple of miles down the road because of threatened subsidence caused by an iron ore mine. If the old coal mines start to cause subsidence in Accrington can they move us somewhere nice?
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At least we have running water, even if it is down the walls. ;):rolleyes: |
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i heard on teh news greenpeace have set up in protest about this fracking malarky
iv emailed teh french PM to see if he can send them another missile like they did with their precious rainbow warrior :D |
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Why did the Duke of Edinburgh go on holiday at about the same time? Perhaps we should ask Diana, Oops too soon? Maybe not, her kids seem to have recovered from it. Maybe their foster Father knows the truth? :rolleyes: |
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apart from that your ok less slutt was been widely used before her death it was only after her death she became a saint or angel amazing how teh press can change someones charecter despite been the ones that destroyed it :rolleyes: |
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Good old fracking
http://i1.wp.com/gas2.org/files/2013/09/screen-shot.png •E – Emergency – Could be out of water in 45 days or less. •P – Priority – Could be out of water in 90 days or less. •C – Concern – Could be out of water in 180 days or less. •W – Watch – Has greater than a 180 day supply of water remaining. |
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So what is your point
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In the other fracking threads the excessive amount of water needed by fracking was mentioned, and seawater is not suitable, so if you have never experienced water rationing you will think it irrelevant..... until your tap dries up:rolleyes:.
Fracking and water consumption - SourceWatch "Water is by far the largest component of fracking fluids. According to driller Chesapeake Energy, an initial drilling operation itself may consume from 6,000 to 600,000 US gallons of fracking fluids, but over its lifetime an average well may require up to an additional 5 million gallons of water for full operation and possible restimulation frac jobs.[1] A 2009 report on modern shale gas by the Groundwater Protection Council, "Modern Shale Gas Development in the United States: A Primer," stated that “[t]he amount of water needed to drill and fracture a horizontal shale gas well generally ranges from about 2 million to 4 million gallons, depending on the basin and formation characteristics.” The extraction of so much water for fracking has raised concerns about the ecological impacts to aquatic resources, as well as dewatering of drinking water aquifers. It has also been estimated that the transportation of a million gallons of water (fresh or waste water) requires hundreds of truck trips, increasing the greenhouse gas footprint of oil and gas and contributing to air pollution." |
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