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MargaretR 14-05-2011 08:07

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Fracking Blackpool

No that isn't substitute swearing.
Blackpool uneasy at prospect of 'fracking' boom on its coastline - Home News, UK - The Independent
so significant are the deposits and so huge the rewards, the industry could be on the verge of major expansion not just across Lancashire but the whole of the UK

There is methane in the shale rock under Lancashire and fracking is the method used to get it out.
The method is banned in France.
A mix of water containing toxic chemicals is pumped into the shale to fragment the rock.
Not all that water comes out with the methane, so the groundwater gets contaminated.
Gas clouds occur at the well head - toxic clouds.
The underground 'booms' as the shale fragments are reported as 'disturbingly loud' by people who live in areas of the world where this practice is used.

If any wells are contemplated in our area we should oppose that operation.
The largest fracking operation that I am aware of is being done in the mid west USA and has destabalised the New Madrid faultline.(increased earthquake risk)
We may not have the same risks as they do but you should know a hazard when you see one, and this is one.

Up In Flames: Cameron's pledge to lead the greenest government ever - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
It is not as environmentally friendly as it looks.

MargaretR 14-05-2011 09:30

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More news - note my emphasis in the news extract.
If it wasn't a hazard it wouldn't be SECRET

Results of controversial 'fracking' for shale gas in UK will be kept secret | Business | The Guardian

The results of the first attempt to extract shale gas in the UK using a controversial technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking", will be kept secret for four years, the Guardian has learned.

DaveinGermany 14-05-2011 10:35

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You're getting as bad as C'mon with your highlighted sensationalism Marg. :rolleyes: Taken from the vary same article you posted :-

"They get four years to look around – that [four-year period] is protecting their commercial opportunity." He added that it was normal practice for oil and gas exploration companies to keep such commercial information confidential for a period.

If it wasn't commercial it wouldn't be secret ! Much has been written & placed in the public domain about the actual process & its effects, from this various Governments have to balance the Countries ability to be fuel self sufficient or reliant on foreign imports, plus the benefits against the negatives.

This isn't an ideal World so everything can't be perfect & suit everyone, some measure of calculated risk is present in every, everyday action & we've just got to get on with it, that or go back to the stone age ! (Which wasn't exactly risk free either. :))

MargaretR 14-05-2011 10:58

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Whether the reasons for secrecy are commercial or otherwise, the fact is that it has environmental disaster potential.

YouTube - My Water's On Fire Tonight (The Fracking Song)

Natural gas fracking can make local well water explosive
extracts -
"A study, released yesterday by PNAS, now shows that fracking may be contaminating local groundwater with enough methane to pose a risk of explosion"
...!there are many old and abandoned drill sites in the area, and fracking may have opened a pathway for gas to escape into these wells."


(potential to leak into old mineworkings?)

MargaretR 14-05-2011 11:08

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PS -
YouTube - CAN YOU DO THIS WITH YOUR TAP WATER?

DaveinGermany 14-05-2011 11:17

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The words "can, may & potential" feature strongly in these reports & reviews, that doesn't mean it's inevitable there'll be problems Marge. Admittedly cases have been reported where there are adverse effects, but what you don't get reported are the operations where everything has gone to plan & there's no difficulties, non events don't get headlines do they ? :)

How many thousand times a day do people do dangerous things eh ? Dangerous goods & tanker transporters, everyday thousands are running the length & breadth of the Country, no one bats an eyelid & it's a routine part of daily life, you don't see the headlines "X thousand Dangerous cargoes transported today !" but if one breaks down or worse blows up the "Meedja" are straight on the case with their hyperbole is what I'm saying. Let the lads get on with the job & let's await the outcome before we start to shout too loudly. :)

MargaretR 14-05-2011 11:24

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Some risks are neccessary - this one isn't

***Mr D*** 14-05-2011 12:23

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Was reading about this the other day, dosent sound to good.

YouTube - HYDRAULIC FRACTUING (GAS LAND) PT1

YouTube - HYDRAULIC FRACTURING (GAS LAND) PT2

YouTube - HYDRAULIC FRACTURING (GAS LAND) PT3

YouTube - HYDRAULIC FRACTURING (GAS LAND) PT4

***Mr D*** 14-05-2011 12:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 906065)

Wow.:eek:

MargaretR 14-05-2011 13:36

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I have watched the ones you have posted and will be watching the rest on youtube.
I am alarmed when it was made clear that a reverse osmosis filtration system does not remove all the pollutants.
Our municipal water purification systems are less efficient than reverse osmosis (which is regarded as the ultimate method)
The toxicity effects that the people there are experiencing is far worse than even I imagined.

Until now I thought that the increased earthquake risk for the Madrid Fault (which runs from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico) was the main threat.

Low magnitude quakes have greatly increased in volume since fracking began.
The big quake of 1812 was magnitude 7
1812 New Madrid earthquake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- this fracking could trigger another big one.

YouTube - New Madrid Earth Quake (coming St.louis)

What is interesting to note is the New Madrid fault is NOT on the junction of tectonic plates - neither are we. We just have a maze of old mine workings - many of are which unmapped - which could fill with methane, and eventually leak out at the surface in the most unexpected places.

What's under your house?

***Mr D*** 14-05-2011 13:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 906084)
What's under your house?

I know of a few properties in Accrington with vent shafts in there yard/gardens.

Like you say a maze of mine workings.

MargaretR 14-05-2011 14:04

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Those poor sods in USA!

The more I look, the more the risk -
15 Nuclear Reactors on New Madrid Fault Line -- Society's Child -- Sott.net

Bee 14-05-2011 18:47

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Blackpool is C-O-O-L!!!!!!!.

MargaretR 15-05-2011 12:04

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I have found the record of the parliamentary discussion of the shale gas
issue dated Feb '11

Here it is

It is a lengthy record of conversation between geologists and politicians.
An undue emphasis seemed to be placed on the financial aspects, but
environmental issues were discussed too.

I provide an extract of particular local interest -

Quote:

Nigel Smith: Cuadrilla, they started with a big licence in
Lancashire and it covers all of what we call the Permo-Triassic Basin, the
West Lancs Basin, which stretches from the coast to Pendle Hill and the
Carboniferous outcrops. They have got three wells they are going to put
down. They have already drilled one. They have got two more that are about
five kilometres apart. They are going to start in one area where they think
they have got a good-where is the best target. If it is not successful there
they will try somewhere else within their licence.
More info here



The secrecy for 4 years is to protect stock market values

paras which are noteworthy -
Quote:

Cuadrilla Resources, a US private equity backed firm, told
MPs at the energy and climate change committee that it will begin this month
to pump 1,200 cubic metres of highly pressurised water mixed with chemicals
and sand nearly 3,000 metres underground into an onshore shale gas reservoir
near Blackpool.
Quote:

Cuadrilla began exploratory drilling at the first of
several test wells at Preese Hall Farm, Weeton, just inland from Blackpool,
in August. When the fracking begins this month, 1,200 cubic metres of water
mixed with chemicals - equivalent to about two and a half Olympic-sized
swimming pools - will be pumped horizontally along the reservoir to fracture
open the rock
( they are buying water from United Utilities)
Quote:

The collected water, rock chips and drilling mud would
need to be sent to landfill. He said that based on geological seismic
surveys, the company could predict what happens to the fractured gas and
waste water mix but admitted: "You never have control. Fractures will always
go into the path of least resistance.
(so the waste from the operation is going to landfill.)

It seems Blackpool council granted the licence without much prior thought

Quote:

The company has made its operations in the North Sea
available for visits from energy experts and politicians and done some media
interviews. But the chairman of Blackpool Green party, Philip Mitchell, said
the company had not directly engaged with the local community or held any
public meetings to explain its activities. He also criticised the licensing
and planning approval regulations, which predate the use of high-volume
hydraulic fracturing and do not place special requirements on unconventional
producers such as Cuadrilla
I have concluded that Lancashire is being used as a guinea pig for
these shale gas extraction methods - which isn't quite playing cricket is
it?
....and the decision on whether to extend the fracking to other companies
and other areas is deferred for 4 years.

Gobbiner17 15-05-2011 13:26

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Don't know if you already have seen this but Pendle Hill is also in danger of being wrecked.

MargaretR 15-05-2011 13:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gobbiner17 (Post 906292)
Don't know if you already have seen this but Pendle Hill is also in danger of being wrecked.

The info which I have been unable to post (yet) includes a mention of Pendle Hill as the easterly extent of an area where a particular type of shale extends from the coast.
Neil has PM'd me and I hope he can manage to post the info later

Edit: I have added the missing text into Margaret's post 14 - Neil

MargaretR 15-05-2011 14:07

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NB “You never have control. Fractures will always go into the path of least resistance.”

Neil 15-05-2011 15:02

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I have added the missing text into Margaret's post 14

MargaretR 15-05-2011 15:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 906320)
I have added the missing text into Margaret's post 14

Lovely boy :kiss: :D (karma sent)

Neil 15-05-2011 15:11

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ooo stop I will go red :D

Benipete 24-05-2011 10:43

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The subject is being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show BBC Radio 2 today at 12-00.Mid-Day.

MargaretR 24-05-2011 13:33

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I listened. There was a spokesman from the drilling company saying that the Lancashire shale gas field appears so rich that it appears that drilling down, and not sideways, will produce a good yield for a well.(seemingly good news)

The bad news - if the shale is so very profitable they are likely to want more wells.

Benipete 24-05-2011 13:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 908510)
I listened. There was a spokesman from the drilling company saying that the Lancashire shale gas field appears so rich that it appears that drilling down, and not sideways, will produce a good yield for a well.(seemingly good news)

The bad news - if the shale is so very profitable they are likely to want more wells.

Well they do say position is everything.;):D:D

steeljack 31-05-2011 16:38

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seems the project has been put on hold for a while

BBC News - Blackpool Shale Gas drilling suspended after quake

MargaretR 31-05-2011 16:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 909743)
seems the project has been put on hold for a while

BBC News - Blackpool Shale Gas drilling suspended after quake

Thanks Jack - I hadn't seen that - good news:D
Maybe the locals will campaign for the end of the whole 'shebang'.
It is a yankee company - a good slogan (that has been used before) -
"Yanks Go Home";)

Margaret Pilkington 31-05-2011 18:08

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Yes when I heard the news I thought of you Margaret...and thought you might just be smiling to yourself.

steeljack 25-06-2011 01:09

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came across this article in the a British newspaper , seem even the Texans (no one loves drilling and no one has more expertise or experiance for oil production than Texas) has one or two reservations about this "fracking" process

Texas forces firms to open up on 'fracking' - Green Living, Environment - The Independent

steeljack 11-07-2011 18:34

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seems the French have so many serious concerns about the process that they have banned the process

France is Now First Nation to Ban ‘Fracking’ – Planetsave.com: climate change and environmental news

Boeing Guy 12-07-2011 09:20

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Well everyone knows how committed to the environment the French are after all 78% of their power comes from Nuclear, the highest percentage of any country in the world. Having 59 nuclear power stations is not enough, they are building some more. Perhaps they don't need fracking gas

MargaretR 10-09-2011 09:54

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Fracking causes earthquakes in unexpected places
DutchNews.nl - Earthquake hits Nijmegen
"The earthquake which shook Nijmegen and its surroundings on Thursday night was one of the strongest to hit the Netherlands over the past 100 years, the Telegraaf reports.

The quake, measuring 4.5 on the Richter scale, hit at around 21.00 hours. No-one was hurt and there are no reports of damage but the tremors were felt as far away as Utrecht.

The epicentre was in Germany.

The strongest quake to hit the Netherlands in the past 100 years was in 1992, when an earthquake measuring 5.8 on the Richter scale hit Roermond.

Quakes normally take place in the south of the country but also happen in Groningen province as the land settles following natural gas extraction"

Gordon Booth 10-09-2011 14:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 932446)
Fracking causes earthquakes in unexpected places

Quakes normally take place in the south of the country but also happen in Groningen province as the land settles following natural gas extraction"

Who says so?
What are you trying to tell us,we're all floating on a cloud of gas and if we extract it we'll all disappear down a large hole?
The gas is extracted from a porous but solid medium,taking millions of coal out and leaving the mine tunnels open hasn't caused Accrington to disappear yet!
Although some would say- no we won't go into that.

MargaretR 10-09-2011 15:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 932513)
Who says so?
What are you trying to tell us,we're all floating on a cloud of gas and if we extract it we'll all disappear down a large hole?
The gas is extracted from a porous but solid medium,taking millions of coal out and leaving the mine tunnels open hasn't caused Accrington to disappear yet!
Although some would say- no we won't go into that.

If you don't see the connection, you haven't read the links supplied in this thread.
Here are a few more - so don't comment negatively until you have read about the subject.

Earthquake Outbreak: Arkansas Bans Fracking Operations Inside Thousand-Square-Mile Area | Stuart H. Smith
Scientists study link between fracking and earthquakes | Real Aspen | Roaring Fork Valley News, Guides, and Information
Fracking & earthquakes: an inescapable connection | The Greanville Post

DaveinGermany 10-09-2011 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 932446)
Fracking causes earthquakes in unexpected places
Roermond.

Can't see where in the report it mentions fracking, there are conventional ways of natural gas extraction too.

MargaretR 10-09-2011 15:44

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Unless you are aware that Holland has an oilfield:rolleyes:, the gas extracted is from shale, which requires fracking

Gordon Booth 10-09-2011 15:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 932531)

I have read the links and about the subject!
Perhaps I should have said ' Who says so who has a credible opinion worth reading'.
The Greanville Post(What the System doesn't want you to know).A conspiracy site 'focusing on the infotainment world'! I think not.
The Stuart Smith Blog? A lawyer, not a scientist.I think not.
Aspen-first paragraph says,in brief,'large earthquakes in Virginia and Colarado AREN'T typically associated with hydraulic fracturing.
So a 4.5 in the Netherlands probably has nothing to do with fracking, according to one of your sources.
So the ground settles a bit, it often did after mining,no real problem.

MargaretR 10-09-2011 15:57

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So you want the opinion of a geologist? - find it here
OpEdNews - Podcast: Geologist Scott Ausbrooks on Fracking/Earthquake connection
"Scott M. Ausbrooks, RPG Registered Professional Geologist
Geohazards Supervisor, Arkansas Geological Survey
Scott led a team that discovered a connection between Fracking disposal wells and earthquakes. "

PS not all geologists agree - some are employed by the gas industry;)

Gordon Booth 10-09-2011 16:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 932544)
So you want the opinion of a geologist? - find it here
OpEdNews - Podcast: Geologist Scott Ausbrooks on Fracking/Earthquake connection
Scott led a team that discovered a connection between Fracking disposal wells and earthquakes. "

PS not all geologists agree - some are employed by the gas industry;)

Quotes from his interviews-
'The earthquake connection is through disposal wells. Fracking can be done without disposal wells.'
'earthquakes in Arcansas near a quarry'.
'Filling a reservoir can set it off'.
A picture of some mud with cracks in it-earthquake damage? For heavens sake, it's got FOOTMARKS in it-perhaps a VERY heavy person caused it.
Hardly the end of the world.

Your inference that any geologists who don't agree with your theory are employed by the gas industry diminishes your argument.

DaveinGermany 10-09-2011 20:00

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From the same news source I believe.

Earthquake in the Netherlands

The most telling comment :- The earthquake took place at a depth of 7 km, which according to seismologists at KNMI is not deep. It is still unclear what caused the earthquake, but it seems to be a natural cause.

Until confirmation, the accusation of fracking being responsible would appear invalid & yes I was aware of the Dutch oil fields. Living just 50 minutes from the Dutch Border I tend to spend a fair bit of time in Holland.

Spider61 10-09-2011 22:36

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In Iceland yesterday they created about 100 earthquakes ( less than Magnitude 2) in 4 hours at the hydrothermal plant without problems.
Iceland Volcano and Earthquake blog | Blog about Icelandic volcanoes and earthquakes

garinda 11-09-2011 00:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider61 (Post 932597)
In Iceland yesterday they created about 100 earthquakes ( less than Magnitude 2) in 4 hours at the hydrothermal plant without problems.
Iceland Volcano and Earthquake blog | Blog about Icelandic volcanoes and earthquakes

That's what they want you to think.

There'll be riots afore Michaelmas.

Mark my words.

;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924960)
Israeli bankers have been sending planes, dropping bombs containing fetal blood into Icelandic air space. Targeting the countries volcanoes.

The chemical reaction this brought about, causing the volcanoes to explode, and send microscopic ash high into the atmosphere, and fall, because of known weather conditions, on western Europe.

It's a well known fact that the lungs of pre-adult Afro-Caribbeans cannot function sufficently when aggravated by pumice ash particles. This causes a chemical reaction in the brain, and as the lungs try to cope, this leads to severe anti-social psycosis.

In certain summer weather conditions, this reaction will appear in many such young people, and massive civil unrest could ensue.

The finaciers will profit fron the chaos caused, by charging western governments exorbitant interest rates, as they try to rectify the situation, by pumping money they don't have, into measures to rectify the problem, such as increased police and civil guard forces.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...icy-58843.html

:D

DaveinGermany 03-10-2011 09:03

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latest comments to the subject as in the papers today :-

Will Blackpool become the new gas frontier? - Telegraph

Also an interesting quote from the comments section :-

Lastly, there is no “k” in hydraulic fracturing – people who use 'frack' {as against 'frac'** are recent discoverers of this 60 year old process, know little about it {apart from the polemic Gasland** & are knee-jerk opposers of it **& probably of any fossil fuel use**.

:)

Bob Dobson 03-10-2011 15:58

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The July edition of 'Lancashire magazine' carried a story about the search for gas being undertaken a few fields away from where I live, in Singleton, near Pouilton le Fylde .....
'One of the company's founders is geologist Peter Tuirner, who was born in Oswaldtwistle. He had a glittering career as an academic before the foundation of Cuadrilla (the company) in 2007'
Do we know owt about 'im? His mother was a weaver and he worked briefly in the same mill. His photo is in the magazine.
'Cuadrilla' is a Spanish word referring to the supporters of a matador in the bull ring.

MargaretR 03-10-2011 16:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 937601)
The July edition of 'Lancashire magazine' carried a story about the search for gas being undertaken a few fields away from where I live, in Singleton, near Pouilton le Fylde .....
'One of the company's founders is geologist Peter Tuirner, who was born in Oswaldtwistle. He had a glittering career as an academic before the foundation of Cuadrilla (the company) in 2007'
Do we know owt about 'im? His mother was a weaver and he worked briefly in the same mill. His photo is in the magazine.
'Cuadrilla' is a Spanish word referring to the supporters of a matador in the bull ring.

You mistyped his name but since I'm psychic;) - see 'vice president Turner'
Cuadrilla

MargaretR 03-10-2011 16:06

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PS I think that the pollution possibilities need evaluating. The potential pollution of groundwater could affect horticulture industry there.

MargaretR 03-10-2011 16:14

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Bob - for info about Singleton drilling -
Shale Gas

scroll down to
Experiences in the Fylde

Bob Dobson 03-10-2011 16:17

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I don't know enough about it, but some years ago there was a new road proposed, running from the M55 at Kirkham to Fleetwood and passing through Singleton. A local councillor raised an objection 'because of the Singleton fault'. We laughed about it, but it turns out there is such a fault. To what extent it has affected or been affected by fracking I know not. Certainly there is enormous potential for non-imported gas supplies in the seams known as Bowland Shale. Our local councillors are keeping an eye on the company's activities, which are far more welcome than the illegal Travellers' camp close by.

MargaretR 03-10-2011 16:19

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Bob - look back one post - you may have missed it whilst posting

Tealeaf 03-10-2011 17:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 937608)
Bob - for info about Singleton drilling -
Shale Gas

scroll down to
Experiences in the Fylde

I note from the Green's submission to parliament that their first cross reference is to this entity in the USA:

www.delawareriverwatcher.org

Unfortunately, neither this organisation nor its website exists. The group they intended to reference is this one:

http://www.delawareriverkeeper.org

If these fools in the Green Party cannot even get this simple fact right, then I doubt if there is anything else right. Perhaps they and the bunch of crackpots who follow them should concern themselves with the real desecration of the environment, namely the totally unnecessary, obscenely expensive and grossly obtrusive wind turbines which are ruining our landscape.

Bob Dobson 03-10-2011 18:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 937611)
Bob - look back one post - you may have missed it whilst posting

I had read it and thought it interesting, though written from the perspective of one who is already fixed against the work and in favour of windfarms, which I have severe doubts about. Tidal power is what we need to be seeing more of. I think the exploratory work should still go on until such time as it is proven to be a bad thing - we haven't reached that yet, and the benefits are certainly there.

cashman 10-02-2012 19:56

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Best Explanation of Fracking Ever This explains it.:D

Retlaw 10-02-2012 20:50

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What puzzles me about this fracking, & causing earth tremors thro subsidence when they are driling down 1000's of feet, what about all the 100's of miles of disused tunnels, created by coal mining, we never hear of them being blamed for causing earth tremors.
There are earth tremors happening all the time.
Who's pulling who's chain.
Retlaw.

MargaretR 20-05-2012 08:55

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Government backtracks on fracking - Green Living - Environment - The Independent

"The Government has rejected shale gas technology as a solution to Britain's energy crisis, conceding it will do little to cut bills or keep the lights on."

Experts have decided that the volume of gas available isn't worth the expense of extracting it.

kestrelx 29-05-2012 11:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gobbiner17 (Post 906292)
Don't know if you already have seen this but Pendle Hill is also in danger of being wrecked.

Write to Prince Charles and protest! ;) He was talking on TV at a meeting (I forget the name now) and talking about change - he was babbling on about if every body rolls their sleeves up and complains about things to do with environmental destruction then we can save the planet! :D Oh yeh he was talking about green farming and keeping food production local, organic and healthy!

Bob Dobson 29-05-2012 16:02

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I attended a meeting recently set up by the fracking company explaining what the orange cables were doing alongside lots of roads in the Fylde - they are attached to sensors which record sudden 'explosions'. The boss man was there, a Mr ? Turner, who is an Ossie lad. His sister still lives there. I liked him. No edge on him.His firm is caled Cuadrilla.

Neil 15-08-2013 09:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 969544)
What puzzles me about this fracking, & causing earth tremors thro subsidence when they are driling down 1000's of feet, what about all the 100's of miles of disused tunnels, created by coal mining, we never hear of them being blamed for causing earth tremors.
There are earth tremors happening all the time.
Who's pulling who's chain.
Retlaw.

Here is a link that suggests all the doom and gloom about fracking isn't true Matt Ridley: Let?s Shatter These Five Myths About Fracking | The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)

MargaretR 15-08-2013 10:36

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The author of that article - Matt Ridley is a zooologist who writes on 'science matters' for a tory newspaper, and was a chairman of Northern Rock. (I wouldn't buy a 2nd hand car from him:D)

I have read his blog here
Matt Ridley | DeSmogBlog

In this blog entry
Cheap energy and the North-east of England - Matt Ridley
he states
"Maybe I am biased, as somebody who still makes money from coal as my ancestors did."

He clearly has a vested interest in the extraction of gas from coal seams.

Neil 15-08-2013 11:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1071400)
The author of that article - Matt Ridley is a zooologist who writes on 'science matters' for a tory newspaper, and was a chairman of Northern Rock. (I wouldn't buy a 2nd hand car from him:D)

I have read his blog here
Matt Ridley | DeSmogBlog

In this blog entry
Cheap energy and the North-east of England*-*Matt Ridley
he states
"Maybe I am biased, as somebody who still makes money from coal as my ancestors did."

He clearly has a vested interest in the extraction of gas from coal seams.

Everyone is biased one way or another

Less 15-08-2013 13:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1071409)
Everyone is biased one way or another

I am not biased in any direct but my own.

jaysay 15-08-2013 17:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1071400)
The author of that article - Matt Ridley is a zooologist who writes on 'science matters' for a tory newspaper, and was a chairman of Northern Rock. (I wouldn't buy a 2nd hand car from him:D)

I have read his blog here
Matt Ridley | DeSmogBlog

In this blog entry
Cheap energy and the North-east of England*-*Matt Ridley
he states
"Maybe I am biased, as somebody who still makes money from coal as my ancestors did."

He clearly has a vested interest in the extraction of gas from coal seams.

Can't see out wrong with that, its better than waiting around every week for your dole check to fall on the mat;)

accybeme 01-09-2013 09:44

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was this louisiana sinkhole the result of fracking
Incredible moment Louisiana sinkhole swallows 40ft high trees in a swamp | Mail Online

cmonstanley 01-09-2013 10:28

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its a disaster waiting to happen:eek:

Neil 01-09-2013 10:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1073879)

The article says a salt mine cavern collapsed

accybeme 01-09-2013 14:45

Re: Fracking Blackpool
 
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1073888)
The article says a salt mine cavern collapsed

yes but along with many louisianions I'm questioning if the root cause of the collapse was due to fracking.
anyway the fracking operations must put pressure on any underground caverns mining or natural

DAV007 01-09-2013 17:45

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Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1073927)
yes but along with many louisianions I'm questioning if the root cause of the collapse was due to fracking.
anyway the fracking operations must put pressure on any underground caverns mining or natural

exactly.
fracking is bad news if you live in the same area as the drilling.

mccloud 01-09-2013 18:01

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I'm in two minds about Fracking. As someone born and bred in Cleveleys and Fleetwood, the horror stories do concern me, but on closer examination, most don't stand up to scrutiny.

The big plus for the area is in terms of jobs. Think the job situation in East Lancs is bad? The Fylde Coast's job situation is worse. There's very little industry and most of the jobs are in the service sector which is heavily seasonal and in the Civil Service which is getting smaller by the week.

DAV007 01-09-2013 18:55

Re: Fracking Blackpool
 
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Originally Posted by mccloud (Post 1073970)
I'm in two minds about Fracking. As someone born and bred in Cleveleys and Fleetwood, the horror stories do concern me, but on closer examination, most don't stand up to scrutiny.

The big plus for the area is in terms of jobs. Think the job situation in East Lancs is bad? The Fylde Coast's job situation is worse. There's very little industry and most of the jobs are in the service sector which is heavily seasonal and in the Civil Service which is getting smaller by the week.

On the contrary,
the more you look beyond the headlines and the responses from the fracking companies and frackig pressure groups, the more dangerous it gets.

accybeme 01-09-2013 20:46

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Originally Posted by mccloud (Post 1073970)
I'm in two minds about Fracking. As someone born and bred in Cleveleys and Fleetwood, the horror stories do concern me, but on closer examination, most don't stand up to scrutiny.

The big plus for the area is in terms of jobs. Think the job situation in East Lancs is bad? The Fylde Coast's job situation is worse. There's very little industry and most of the jobs are in the service sector which is heavily seasonal and in the Civil Service which is getting smaller by the week.

really!!!! try this link for evidence
Hydraulic Fracturing Fluids Likely Harmed Threatened Kentucky Fish Species | Aleklett's Energy Mix

cashman 01-09-2013 21:13

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Reading that its evidence its "Likely" killed fish, nothing more n that as i can see.:confused:

jaysay 02-09-2013 07:50

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1073882)
its a disaster waiting to happen:eek:

So is your mouth;)

accybeme 02-09-2013 12:36

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1074003)
Reading that its evidence its "Likely" killed fish, nothing more n that as i can see.:confused:

com on cashy it's not the west looking for an excuse to invade Iraq this is a
survey by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and "Likely" is a term used when when the evidence points to a cause but can not be proved to be 100% certain

cashman 02-09-2013 14:43

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Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1074087)
com on cashy it's not the west looking for an excuse to invade Iraq this is a
survey by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and "Likely" is a term used when when the evidence points to a cause but can not be proved to be 100% certain

I can accept its probably killed the fish, but that is nowt like causing earthquakes or owt like that, as far as i can see. plus i can't see any claim of that?? to put it bluntly, don't really give a stuff about the fish.

Gordon Booth 02-09-2013 15:12

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We need the gas more than we need some 'small, colourful minnows'.
Russia has shown what it will do to gas supplies to countries it disagrees with- and we're not getting on well with Russia.
Bulk delivery gas tanker ships from the Middle East and Morocco- how vulnerable and unreliable can you get? If Syria detonates the Mediterranean there goes a lot of our gas and oil.
We're running out of our own gas and oil( it never covered us 100% even on full flow.)
We've signed up to green policies we can't meet, so we're shutting down the coal power stations, we have only one potential nuclear station supplier left and they want such exorbitant terms we'll have to sit in the dark. Before one is switched on(a rolling ten years) we'll run out anyway- invest now in a candle company
Renewable energy- how many windless days have we had during this lovely summer? Too many to keep your fridge running on green energy even if we covered every field with turbines- and we couldn't afford that electricity either.
In the UK the fracking companies are obliged to declare what goes in the fluid and we are preparing more stringent rules than the US has.
I have no fears of fracking, people forget we have been fracking in the UK since the 60's and no-one even noticed.
We need it desperately, the sooner we get it on stream the better.

cashman 02-09-2013 15:19

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To be honest i am neither For nor Against fracking, i do not believe enough is known one way or the other,but after having lived to pension age, listening to do-gooders/p.c brigaders/ etc etc, i am leaning much further towards in favour of fracking, cos i'm thoughly sick of listening to those who tell me they know best.:rolleyes:

Less 02-09-2013 15:29

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1074105)
We need the gas more than we need some 'small, colourful minnows'.
Russia has shown what it will do to gas supplies to countries it disagrees with- and we're not getting on well with Russia.
Bulk delivery gas tanker ships from the Middle East and Morocco- how vulnerable and unreliable can you get? If Syria detonates the Mediterranean there goes a lot of our gas and oil.
We're running out of our own gas and oil( it never covered us 100% even on full flow.)
We've signed up to green policies we can't meet, so we're shutting down the coal power stations, we have only one potential nuclear station supplier left and they want such exorbitant terms we'll have to sit in the dark. Before one is switched on(a rolling ten years) we'll run out anyway- invest now in a candle company
Renewable energy- how many windless days have we had during this lovely summer? Too many to keep your fridge running on green energy even if we covered every field with turbines- and we couldn't afford that electricity either.
In the UK the fracking companies are obliged to declare what goes in the fluid and we are preparing more stringent rules than the US has.
I have no fears of fracking, people forget we have been fracking in the UK since the 60's and no-one even noticed.
We need it desperately, the sooner we get it on stream the better.

I also think the gas is needed, those against, as was proved by the answer to Cashy, will take 'likely' to mean the Gospel. They get their NHS teeth into an idea and won't allow any other opinion to be the correct way forward.

Yes, there will be problems with fracking, but nowhere near as bad as they claim.

However, to be honest, I find your above post to be borderline screams of ill thought out blind side that gives no-one of sense anything worth reading, unfortunately.


You and they could be twins!


accybeme 02-09-2013 17:19

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1074116)
I also think the gas is needed, those against, as was proved by the answer to Cashy, will take 'likely' to mean the Gospel. They get their NHS teeth into an idea and won't allow any other opinion to be the correct way forward.

Yes, there will be problems with fracking, but nowhere near as bad as they claim.

However, to be honest, I find your above post to be borderline screams of ill thought out blind side that gives no-one of sense anything worth reading, unfortunately.


You and they could be twins!


my my it must be hot in Boloxnia having a bad hairday
please don't throw insults at me because you happen to disagree with something I posted everyone should be allowed to express an opinion

cashman 03-09-2013 07:05

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As that post seems to be a reply to Gordon Booth, its you Accybeme thats having a "Bad Eye Day":hehetable

Gordon Booth 03-09-2013 10:40

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1074191)
As that post seems to be a reply to Gordon Booth, its you Accybeme thats having a "Bad Eye Day":hehetable

Why so it was, cashman.
And I never take offence at Less's posts, Accybeme. I know he's only having fun in his own cute way.

Neil 03-09-2013 11:56

Re: Fracking Blackpool
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1074105)
I have no fears of fracking, people forget we have been fracking in the UK since the 60's and no-one even noticed.
We need it desperately, the sooner we get it on stream the better.

Where have we been fracking since the 60's please?

Gordon Booth 03-09-2013 12:04

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BBC News - Fracking confusion: How UK has been 'fracked' for decades

Finding that and remembering how to post it stretched my abilities.

But there you are, Neil. And the BBC never lies or shows bias. Does it?

cashman 03-09-2013 12:10

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1074240)
Where have we been fracking since the 60's please?

Well yeh probably wouldn't be aware of it living up ossy.:D

Neil 03-09-2013 12:33

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1074246)
Well yeh probably wouldn't be aware of it living up ossy.:D

You mention the fact often so you obviously like it in Ossy. You will be ok mate, we have several nice nursing homes used to grumpy old chaps that will take you in soon :p

Less 03-09-2013 13:02

Fracking Blackpool
 
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Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1074123)
my my it must be hot in Boloxnia having a bad hairday
please don't throw insults at me because you happen to disagree with something I posted everyone should be allowed to express an opinion

Hey, I haven't started throwing insults, even you and your small mind will know you have both been insulted.


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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1074224)
Why so it was, cashman.
And I never take offence at Less's posts, Accybeme. I know he's only having fun in his own cute way.

WEeeell, it was sort of double barrelled, I have to confess I was aiming at both of you, but the idiot that thinks likely means positive proof picked up most of the pellets, perhaps he deserves them?
He thinks AccyWeb supports freedom of speech, which for some reason these days is translated to, we can't disagree with crap, it's a fools right to waste server space.
;)

Retlaw 03-09-2013 14:40

Re: Fracking Blackpool
 
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1074258)
Hey, I haven't started throwing insults, even you and your small mind will know you have both been insulted.




WEeeell, it was sort of double barrelled, I have to confess I was aiming at both of you, but the idiot that thinks likely means positive proof picked up most of the pellets, perhaps he deserves them?
He thinks AccyWeb supports freedom of speech, which for some reason these days is translated to, we can't disagree with crap, it's a fools right to waste server space.
;)

Go on Less, give em both barrels, try Ely Kynock Maximum No. 6.
1 &1/8 ounce shot, a real heavy load for a shot gun.

Less 03-09-2013 14:41

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 1074278)
Go on Less, give em both barrels, try Ely Kynock Maximum No. 6.
1 &1/8 ounce shot.

Only if it contains no lead, we can't harm the swans, geese & ducks.

Gordon Booth 03-09-2013 15:23

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Hitting two clays, one with each barrel, almost at the same time is obviously a skill beyond you, Less.
I only managed it twice and I bet Retlaw found it difficult. Still, you hit accybeme.
Have you tried fishing?

Less 03-09-2013 16:52

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1074283)
Hitting two clays, one with each barrel, almost at the same time is obviously a skill beyond you, Less.
I only managed it twice and I bet Retlaw found it difficult. Still, you hit accybeme.
Have you tried fishing?

I wasn't even trying, as I said to your twin brother, what's his name again?

You'll know when I mean it.

Meanwhile, don't take it personal just because you can't think of something worthwhile to say, it takes a great deal away from your reasonable posts.
:D

accybeme 03-09-2013 18:18

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HI, Less I see the temperature is still rising in Boloxnia are you still surrounded by your enemies or do you intend to make friends with a few

Gordon Booth 03-09-2013 19:20

Re: Fracking Blackpool
 
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1074292)
I wasn't even trying

Of course you weren't, we all know you can do better than that.
Still, we all have our off days.:rolleyes:

But enough of this merriment, back on thread- I wonder how the nice, respectable( well they looked it ) residents of Balcombe felt when the 'rent a hippy' mob turned up with their drums and pony tails? Turned a good protest into a farce.

cmonstanley 03-09-2013 20:24

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well it seems they've had a change of mind here. wonder if its because its in the tory heartland;) Balcombe Fracking Operations Suspended

DAV007 03-09-2013 21:47

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Maybe Cmonstanley or maybe because its actually unsafe and we dont yet know the full damage it causes.

Alan Varrechia 03-09-2013 22:50

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Or maybe the locals realised how much the house prices would drop.. :D

Barrie Yates 05-09-2013 16:35

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I see that a town in Sweden has been moved a couple of miles down the road because of threatened subsidence caused by an iron ore mine. If the old coal mines start to cause subsidence in Accrington can they move us somewhere nice?

Less 05-09-2013 16:38

Re: Fracking Blackpool
 
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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1074520)
I see that a town in Sweden has been moved a couple of miles down the road because of threatened subsidence caused by an iron ore mine. If the old coal mines start to cause subsidence in Accrington can they move us somewhere nice?

Don't hold your breath, I believe there are plenty of empty houses, (sorry I mean places) in Burnley, I'll put up with a sloping floor and windows that either can't open or else can't close thank's.

At least we have running water, even if it is down the walls.
;):rolleyes:

accyman 05-09-2013 16:57

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i heard on teh news greenpeace have set up in protest about this fracking malarky

iv emailed teh french PM to see if he can send them another missile like they did with their precious rainbow warrior :D

Less 05-09-2013 17:03

Re: Fracking Blackpool
 
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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1074526)
i heard on teh news greenpeace have set up in protest about this fracking malarky

iv emailed teh french PM to see if he can send them another missile like they did with their precious rainbow warrior :D

More internet bullshine, I'd heard the French surrendered to greenpeace before the plan went ahead, we should look closer to home for the real culprits. ;)

Why did the Duke of Edinburgh go on holiday at about the same time? Perhaps we should ask Diana, Oops too soon? Maybe not, her kids seem to have recovered from it. Maybe their foster Father knows the truth?
:rolleyes:

accyman 06-09-2013 00:51

Re: Fracking Blackpool
 
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1074528)
Perhaps we should ask Diana, Oops too soon? Maybe not, her kids seem to have recovered from it. Maybe their foster Father knows the truth?
:rolleyes:

its only too soon if you mention tunnel,underpass or flash photography in the same scentence as diana

apart from that your ok less

slutt was been widely used before her death it was only after her death she became a saint or angel

amazing how teh press can change someones charecter despite been the ones that destroyed it :rolleyes:

DAV007 15-09-2013 21:00

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Good old fracking

http://i1.wp.com/gas2.org/files/2013/09/screen-shot.png

•E – Emergency – Could be out of water in 45 days or less.
•P – Priority – Could be out of water in 90 days or less.
•C – Concern – Could be out of water in 180 days or less.
•W – Watch – Has greater than a 180 day supply of water remaining.

Mog 15-09-2013 23:34

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So what is your point

jaysay 16-09-2013 08:02

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Originally Posted by Mog (Post 1075819)
So what is your point

Exactly, unless we've been shunted to Texas overnight:rolleyes:

MargaretR 16-09-2013 08:23

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In the other fracking threads the excessive amount of water needed by fracking was mentioned, and seawater is not suitable, so if you have never experienced water rationing you will think it irrelevant..... until your tap dries up:rolleyes:.

Fracking and water consumption - SourceWatch
"Water is by far the largest component of fracking fluids. According to driller Chesapeake Energy, an initial drilling operation itself may consume from 6,000 to 600,000 US gallons of fracking fluids, but over its lifetime an average well may require up to an additional 5 million gallons of water for full operation and possible restimulation frac jobs.[1]

A 2009 report on modern shale gas by the Groundwater Protection Council, "Modern Shale Gas Development in the United States: A Primer," stated that “[t]he amount of water needed to drill and fracture a horizontal shale gas well generally ranges from about 2 million to 4 million gallons, depending on the basin and formation characteristics.”

The extraction of so much water for fracking has raised concerns about the ecological impacts to aquatic resources, as well as dewatering of drinking water aquifers. It has also been estimated that the transportation of a million gallons of water (fresh or waste water) requires hundreds of truck trips, increasing the greenhouse gas footprint of oil and gas and contributing to air pollution."


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