Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

You're right about one thing.

We'll probably never meet.

I live overlooking ducks and geese in Patagonia.

;) :D

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

The ducks loss. I got a stale loaf here...:D

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I don't know what passes as humour on Blackburn Web, but over here it's what we like to hope is a joke.

;):D

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You are right. Isn't it something to do with the Johari Windows(no not Microsoft Windows)?
We have different persona's for whoever we are with.....only we ourselves know the true persona....and even this is very fluid...subject to change according to mood, experience, and phases of the moon.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Why quote an edited post? And not quote your own(unedited)?;)

As for Blackburn Web, I think what you read on here stops folk from posting or signing up there, mainly cause it is repeat posts. I only view the site(BW) as a guest, as it seems others do.

But fair game you have given more awareness to that website, so go an give them some traffic, call yourself "Queen Bee", and post your finest:tongueout

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Nah.

My funding from the Arts Council specifies I only post on one local forum.

I can only transfer if I'm banned.

Even then, I'd prefer to go over to Rossendale Online.

;):D

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Plus, why on earth would I want to go and post on Blackburn Web?

A forum mainly peopled by members who couldn't take the heat on this forum, and who spat out their dummies here, and have gone to sit in a more comfortable pram.

:dummy2::dummy2::dummy2:

:D

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Its a bad habit you have of tarring all the people with the same brush, there's only one person I know who did that, and he doesn't get any change on BW either;)

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

No I don't.

There are three members, who went to BW to lick their wounds, and moan about this forum.

They're the ones I've seen, as a very occasional browser.

You aren't included.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Why quote an edited post? And not quote your own(unedited)?;)

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

I use BW every day like I use this web site, but I can only think of one such person, who I don't think I need to name, but as for others I'm at a loss really

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

I quoted you when you posted it.

I didn't know you were going to edit it.

I'm not psychic, suprisingly.

My own post was edited, after realising you might not understand it was meant to be humerous, after other jokes seem to have gone over your head.

This was all done so speedily it doesn't even show that any posts were edited.

Any further help I can give you?

:rolleyes:

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Well I'm not in the habit of telling lies.

I can name three.

One of whom has happily returned.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

To get back on thread.

I'm begining to judge, and form opinions of others.

Oh dear.

:D

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Didn't say you were telling lies, just that don't know 3 that have gone to BW sulking except on, there are members who use both the sites though

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

You can't.

I can.

Blessed with a memory like that of an elephant.

;)

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

and the looks.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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I knew I shouldn't have put the photos from the naturist beach on Facebook.

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You wish:D

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I wish what?

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...nZVrT3-MM33cKw

That I didn't peel when I sunbathe?

:rolleyes:

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Enough of the breast-ringing and hand-beating!
As a thirty year old married man with kids, a car and working for the NHS Bee got treated no better or worse than he deserved. Be fair, he was treated quite gently compared to the savaging I have seen some people receive on here in my short membership. The treatment of him was more 'Oh, no, not again' than 'Where is his jugular?'. Vigourous discussions and comments are acceptabe between adults as long as it doesn't go too far( which it sometimes does)
As they say 'If you can't stand the heat-'.
HOWEVER!
If this is a twelve year old boy I am impressed with his knowledge and enthusiasm for his chosen (if strange) interest. He seemed astonishingly aware of what was going on in the Hyndburn area(retail wise) and didn't let the mickey taken out of him put him off one bit. Odd though his posts were I doubt anyone would have guessed he was only that age.
If he had given an honest summation of himself I am confident he would have received a lot of very knowledgable answers from people on here(where else is there so much knowledge of Accrington?).
I don't think open access to this forum is suitable for a twelve year old but if this is his chosen interest is there no way he can be allowed to ask his questions and benefit from all the information available from the members on here?

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Maybe Gordon, when he reaches 13 and can get his parent or guardian to ask for permission, then he will be allowed back.
While I was not a fan of his postings.....I would never have wanted him to be banned for that reason...but he has infringed the forum rule on the age restriction, so I guess it is fair.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

We don't all judge books by their covers. I also ignore the synopsis, and the critics are no better judges than any other reader. And every reading is a re-writing.

Sure, I found Bee's postings a little tedious. But that was because of the subject rather than the tone, which was always calm and reasonable. Never were there angry outbursts at the outrageously nasty responses. I kind of admired his restraint, a model for some others on here. And his threads were no more tedious than some of the ones I initiated. Not too many folks in your part of the world are interested in hockey, the weather in K'town, whether or not the Queen's Golden Gaels were going to win the Vanier Cup/Coupe Vanier etc.

I understand there were issues with his profile; but aren't all autobiographies fiction? Boswell admited as much; so did Cardinal Newman in his "Apologia Pro Vita Sua". And I lied about my age. I'm actually only 16, although I claim to be 65:eek: This is why I'm not allowed in the over 18s;):D

I also would like to suggest that a too strict adherence to rules, allowing no latitude, is not necessarily a good thing. Sometimes it's ok to cut someone a little slack. Rigidity in thinking and procedure leads to things like the Battle of the Somme.

I hope at some point that Bee returns.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Regardless of age, there were threads and posts, now happily deleted, which were very demeaning. Some of which demanded the removal of another member.

A member who hadn't been snide, or abusive to anyone else.

This member was purely singled out because some people didn't happen to share the same enthusiasms.

That in my opinion, is quite simply wrong.

We do all make instantaneous judgements.

Perhaps it's just human nature. A survival instinct. Friend or foe.

It's only later that you realise assassins sometimes smile.

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Just get my two cents in quickly - hopefully I won't get caught in the crossfire.

I sometimes replied sarcastically to posts by the member in question, but it was always light-hearted, and I'm sure it was always taken that way. I had many sarcastic but genial exchanges with him and was happy to add him as a friend when pm'd.

And truth be told, even if I'd known the person's real status I'd have replied in exactly the same way. Treating someone differently would feel wrong to me. The banter and mick taking between people on here is a big part of what makes it interesting.

Hope he comes back soon tbh, because members responses to the tedious posts were absolute comedy gold on occasion :D

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

So you take no notice of the cover at all Eric, and you discount the synopsis and also the critiques of books that you choose? How do you choose your books then? I am not being 'fly'....I just would like to know what criteria you use to decide whether a book is worth spending your time on.

I appreciate that every reader will see a different aspect of the same book.
Some will pick up sub plots, others won't.
I don't always pay attention to what the critics write, but I do look at the cover and read what the book is about.

As for the relaxing the rules...I think there was a legal issue about age.(I am sure someone will tell me if I dreamed this...but I think it was in a post by Less)
Apparently the server is an American company and so American legal rules have to be applied with respect to the person's age.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

I do notice the cover of "Playboy" and "Hustler":eek: But seriously, or sort of seriously, what bugged me was the word "all", in bold, standing out as definative. And I didn't want to get deeply into linguistics and the act of reading; so, I made the comments I did. I didn't want to offend someone whose opinion I respect by climbing into my pedantic pulpit. But language, and the act of reading is something folks take for granted ... most of them anyway. Like breathing. It turns out that it is not that simple. If you read the synopsis, which is nothing more than a stranger's reading of the text, and the critical comments, your reading will be directed along a certain path. This is not necessarily the path you would have taken if you hadn't been coerced by the "authority" of the critic. In other words, you read the book they want you to read. In a sense, they usurp the author.

There is an excellent book on the subject. Terry Eagleton's "Literary Criticism." It's worth a read. And you will probably appreciate his humour. I do recommend it.

Oh, and you don't need to point out the irony of the previous paragraph;):D

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Ok Eric, I won't:) :D
Maybe then I should replace that all with many...or perhaps most.
I don't much care for generalisations myself......but like everyone else on here I am human. I haven't the time to waste on beating myself up about things that are just not worth the effort.

You didn't really answer the question I asked though did you?
I am interested on how you decide what is worthy of a read...and how you come to your decisions.
Anyway we are going to get our hands slapped for a thread wander...even though the title is about books and covers...it isn't really about that at all...it is about judging people on little information, on information that is fake.
Or have I got that wrong too? :)

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Noticed that the shop next door to the Commercial, going up Little Blackburn Road is empty. What did it used to be? See...if Bee was here, he'd go buzzing off to discover this information. Now I'll probably never know.

I want Bee to come back!

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

It was an amusement arcade...... and a carpet shop(it didn't last long as either of those)...it is below what used to be Thornbers Chemists...and anyone who remembers that far back is a good un.
Hope that helps Steve...don't want you having a sleepless night.:)

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

:rolleyes:

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Many thanks, Margaret. As you are now deputising in Bee's hopefully temporary absence as Accyweb Retail Analyst, I may be back with further questions. ;)

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

How did I get that honour conferred on me?
Just because I have a long memory.........I really don't want to take the crown away from Bee....don't want to be as boring either..please, please tell me I'm not. Boring, that is!

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A certain member "Less", more or less important, inferred that i was 'boring' (and you came to my rescue, telling me about the "ignore" option) -our opinion of another persons posts is always relative to what's intesting to us or them at a particular time.....I personally appreciate what you have to say....

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Of course not, Margaret, but you do seem to have an aptitude for this sort of work. Just think of it as "minding the shop" while Bee's away! ;)

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

yeh couldn't be boring if yeh took a degree in it, i reckon its inferring yer good samariton side, which is summat i'll never acheive.:D

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Is bee away?

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

unfortunately appears he was underage n things could get messy libel wise, so was banned.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

A 'boring' from Less equates to a 'sane' in the world outside this asylum, and is a badge to be worn honour.


;):D

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Just looked at his profile and it has him last on at 10.30 tonight:confused: He was a bit tedious but harmless none the less.He may come buzzing back you never know.

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Without the antagonists....!:D

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

How correct you are and perhaps the administration team had known his age and were indeed 'cutting a little slack', we don't know do we?

However when someone comes on site claiming to know this person and also stating his age, then no longer can there be any slack the ropes have to be reigned in and actions have to be taken to prevent the site itself being prosecuted.

Perhaps the lad would still be posting now had someone not told the whole worldwide web?
:confused:

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

As stated earlier, I do feel some guilt.

I tried subtlety, when I started this thread, nearly three months ago, but sadly that failed.

The targeted, snide abuse continued. Right up until the middle of this week.

However, knowing, rather than just claiming that forum rules have been broken, and knowing, now we are informed that apparently blind eyes may have been turned by 'the administration team', didn't someone on here claim this could be the end of Accy Web, if it became public knowlege?

So the member's age was known? I thought we were to take what was posted on a member's profile page, as proof they were an adult, and would be treated as such?

Very confusing.

That smacks of sheer hypocrisy, and a bit of a dodgy one, when it came to lawful procedures being followed, now we've been informed about the legal requirements regarding age.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

In all honesty my main concern isn't this forum. It's the continued targeting of someone who'd never posted anything nasty themselves.

If by stating their age helps stop this happening again, good.

Even though I tried to end this without revealing someone's actual age, trying to protect their privacy, and nothing to do with forum requirements, mainly because I didn't know them, it not being applicable to me on joining, I feel I'm now criticising the running of Accy Web, because of the information Less has posted.

I'm not. I just think it all seems very muddled, about what was, and what wasn't known, and it might have been known, but it might have been decided that it would be ignored.

If I've broken forum rules, then I'm sorry.

If I'm subsequently banned, so be it.

What has happened isn't good.

I tried to do what was needed to end it.

Any sack cloth and ashes comments you can stick up your Khyber.

It happens to be the truth, and I'd do the same things again so this hopefully ceases.

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Yes, obviously it is confusing, for you, in the first sentence of my above post I stated:-

The terms 'perhaps' and 'we don't know do we?'

Were speculation nothing more nothing less.

Yet somehow you manage to twist them into your version of fact.

No-one claimed this could be the end of accyweb, though I do recall saying something along the lines of, "had something worse happened to the lad it could have been the end", (I'll allow you to look up the exact quote you enjoy the hunt).

After all the lad was posting right up until your revelation, maybe the admins knew maybe they didn't, I don't know.

But I do know it was only after your post that he was banned, whether that has a direct bearing on the lads removal I don't know and I refuse to speculate on what could be a mere coincidence.

I'm sure you will be back on to continue your bitchfest against anything I post at the moment, perhaps it has something to do with the conversations instigated by you that we had through P.M.'s on Thursday the 25th.

Well sad to say I had learnt (and should have remembered), that with you if you do get in touch the golden rule is only tell him what you don't mind him telling the rest of the world. Yes you've proved to be that reliable a friend over the past couple of years, so I mention a particular rule, and you blast it out for all the world to see on Thursday Night, well done.

So your three months of this belly aching thread instead of helping the lad seem to have done him a mis-service, (but don't worry, through my connections as a member of the accyweb 'clique', I am trying my hardest to assist in a rapid return for the poor mite that has been wronged so gravely).:)


The above statement as anyone with your expansive sense of humour knows, is of course untrue, because there is no accyweb clique it is a joke.



Just as someone getting on their high horse so that they can get down to grass roots is a really big joke.:D

I do hope that despite all your efforts he can return to us soon.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Right as Bee was under age 13( this was unknown to me until a member posted age on site) his parents/guardian has to fill a form in called "COPPA" form.
This has now been done and i have received the forms and Bee is free to post as usual.
The bit of slack refared to was i was not going to ban him as long as he did not post on site till i got the forms this he did not do but carried on posting so he was banned till i received the forms.(ban now lifted)
these forms are a legal requirement and as the servers are in America we have to uphold this law.
I now think all this bickering should stop and lets get on with the rest of the site
Bee now has the same right as any other member on here to post so please leave him alone

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

I see he's back already -pretty quick off the mark!

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

I'm glad this has been sorted and Bee is back posting. It's seems to have been a very unfortunate incident and I really don't think that anything has been done in Malice. I can understand why some people think there is a "clique" as some peoples posts come across stronger than others and they seem "more in the know" than other members and to be honest I enjoy reading those the most. I don't believe there is a clique I think it's just a case of long term members knowing Accy web so very well and that, I believe, is what makes this forum as good as it is.:D:D:D

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Thanks mobertol - pleased to have been of help.
Thanks Steve.......I can do 'minding the shop'...but I can't be Bee.....well I don't need to now, as he is back amongst us. I wonder if he will now amend his profile......would be interesting.
Thanks Cashy...not sure I am a Samaritan, I think it might just be, that being in the caring profession for so long, it is ingrained in me to try and help....... if I can.
I am more pleased that you consider me incapable of being boring(whew...sigh of relief).

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Can't fault that at all Gordon

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One thing I can't understand is why did his parents or guardian allow him to give himself a profile like that when he registered on here when joining.

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And you called me a burk, all it takes is one stupid comment like that for people to start thinking the forum broke US Federal law on purpose. Not something I am sure you want people thinking.

We did not know he was under 13 so did not brake the US Federal Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA). I actually thought he was the same age as my son who has just turned 14.

I informed Mick what age I thought he was when he was being harassed by some members a while ago and as soon as it was stated he was 12 I reported this to Mick using the report system to leave a permanent trail in case needed. Both Mick and I contacted him explaining what he needed to do. His age was still hearsay from another member at this point. As has been stated by Mick the required paperwork is not in place. I think the forum acted very responsibly in dealing with this matter.

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Well, I for one am very glad Bee is back. People say his posts are sometimes a little strange and odd. In my view that makes Accyweb his natural home! Let's face it Accyweb is strange, odd, quirky, whimsical and that's what makes it so successful, in my view. Accyweb is the local forum for the true individualist - the traditional socialist who has rightwing Tory views on immigration and law & order, the conspiracy theorists, the classic knockabout comedy routines (a la Garinda and Tealeaf), the thread wanderers, the dreamers, the eccentrics, even the nutter who thinks everyone in Hyndburn who doesn't support Accy Stanley is a traitor. ;) Bee is an individualist (and how!) in his own way and is part of this rich tradition that Accyweb is renowned for.

People say Bee's posts are boring and I can't say I find all of 'em exactly riveting. However, if you want to experience true boredom I suggest you go on one of the other local forums and read the same drearily predictable, total logical threads by conventional normal people with nary a thread wander in sight. No wonder you can see the tumbleweed rolling across the screens!

Secondly, Bee has come in for a fair bit of stick on here and obviously it was quite understandable when people thought he was a 30 year old bloke. However, as others have said, he has never retaliated, never been nasty to anybody and has always been friendly and enthusiastic.

The great thing about Accyweb is that you never quite know what you're going to find on here or even where a particular thread is going to go to. Bee plays his part in that so, as far as I'm concerned, welcome back! :)

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Nicely said Mr harris:thankya::thankya::thankya:

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Fair comment wyn, agree 100%.;)

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Great! Agreement from two nutters! :D

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Lets be honest YOU are a burk.

Now that we have that out of the way, I said perhaps, the reason I said perhaps as I explained to your mate is because it's speculation, nothing more nothing less.
I wasn't replying to you I was replying to Eric, speculating that the administration may have been acting in a humanitarian manner until someone opened their gob and dropped the lad completely in it.

On a personal note, to me you have proved yourself unworthy of the position you hold on accyweb on many occasions, but what the hey much better to have you as a moderator, be it a bad one as no moderator at all, the fact that you are a burk by the way was mentioned without prejudice.

Please insert the biggest sycophantic smiley face here.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Good.

That's one positive thing.

At least people seem to have accepted this fact.

Let's hope things can get back to normal.

Minus the unnecessary nastiness, that some innocent members have been subjected to.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

If you have a problem with me being a mod then make a phonecall and have me removed. I am often suprised at the way you act on here, I would expect more responsibility from you of all people.

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 

Well whatever peoples views, the young un' has had people talking that's for sure. :)

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I am closing this thread now and might delete it later.

The thread became iffy as soon as the member being discussed was named. Even before that it was obvious who the member was.

The only reason I want it to stay for a while at least is so that other members can now see the truth.

Please dont start any other threads/post discussing this as they will be removed.

There was a problem and its been sorted out correctly.