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garinda 03-06-2011 08:27

Judging a book by it's cover.
 
In the past I've accused people of making judgements, without knowing the facts.

I guess it's something we all do though really.

Form an instant opinion about something, or someone, prior to finding out more information.

I feel a little bit ashamed.

Without breaking confidentiality, I've teased and made fun of someone, thinking I knew they were someone other than who they actually are.

Without going in to too many details, I urge us all to think that sometimes things aren't what they at first seem to be.

Sometimes people may be different from what we first thought, and what seems like a plan to annoy is really just a way a person is. Part of their being.

Please, don't feel as mean as myself, for the teasing I've done.

Tolerance, and understanding that sometimes some things, and people are actually genuine...even if we don't necessarily think that initially.

flashy 03-06-2011 08:35

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Ah but if you are lead to believe by the person themselves that they are something they are not then you have every right to judge, the person has said a lot about their age, it has made me think other things that other people have said are a load of bull too, i trust not one person on this site to tell me the truth

garinda 03-06-2011 08:41

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 910246)
i trust not one person on this site to tell me the truth

Merry Christmas. x

:D

Romps 03-06-2011 08:41

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Yes Gary we have all done it, but it take one hell of a person to admit that and it proves what a wonderful person you really are.

as for judging a book............ its what we do on a forum such as this because we dont know everyone personally, I suppose it's human nature to form an opinion, be it positive or negative.

big hugs

Rhonda x

garinda 03-06-2011 08:48

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Romps (Post 910248)
Yes Gary we have all done it, but it take one hell of a person to admit that and it proves what a wonderful person you really are.

No, I'm not.

I've thought I knew something, and didn't.

Now I know better, what I thought was funny, wasn't.

It was cruel, and nasty.

Can't take back what's done, but hopefully will be a little more open-minded, and trusting, in the future.

Benipete 03-06-2011 08:51

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Not a problem when you're perfect in every way like wot i am.:hehetable

jaysay 03-06-2011 09:00

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
I hear what you say G, and know exactly what and why your saying it, the only thing is people who are NOT in the know will still carry on in the same manner, which is unfortunate really

Wynonie Harris 03-06-2011 10:10

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 910243)
In the past I've accused people of making judgements, without knowing the facts.

I guess it's something we all do though really.

Form an instant opinion about something, or someone, prior to finding out more information.

I feel a little bit ashamed.

Without breaking confidentiality, I've teased and made fun of someone, thinking I knew they were someone other than who they actually are.

Without going in to too many details, I urge us all to think that sometimes things aren't what they at first seem to be.

Sometimes people may be different from what we first thought, and what seems like a plan to annoy is really just a way a person is. Part of their being.

Please, don't feel as mean as myself, for the teasing I've done.

Tolerance, and understanding that sometimes some things, and people are actually genuine...even if we don't necessarily think that initially.

Agreed. :o :o

Margaret Pilkington 03-06-2011 10:39

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
G....we are all human. That means we are prone to make mistakes and errors of judgement...owning up, apologising and vowing to do better is the best we can ever do.
Been there done it and worn the t-shirt.

MargaretR 03-06-2011 11:50

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Lying in the profile description does not convey 'childish innocence' to me - more like deliberate mischief.

cashman 03-06-2011 12:05

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
some things can be a lot more complex n hard to comprehend than most of us understand, but if yer n expert on it?

DaveinGermany 03-06-2011 13:06

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
I made a similar observation on this thread :-

Black Panther - Accrington Web

I do believe that on occasion I've responded without giving due thought to the outcome or consequences & it is merely a reflection of the human make up. But if I think on I can hopefully avoid making these mistakes again by pausing before posting, if I do offend someone all I ask is that you contact me & I'll clarify or apologise as is needed.

garinda 03-06-2011 19:48

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 910291)
I do offend someone all I ask is that you contact me & I'll clarify or apologise as is needed.


Don't worry.

I'll still be ready with a scathing, and cutting quip, for anyone I thinks deserves it, and I know that they're capable of giving as good as they get, in return.

:D

I'll just try and make sure it's an even match first.

:o

Bob Dobson 03-06-2011 20:03

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
G - I forgive you. At my funeral, if anyone has a long face, I will never speak to them again.

lancsdave 03-06-2011 20:06

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 910345)
Don't worry.

I'll still be ready with a scathing, and cutting quip, for anyone I thinks deserves it, and I know that they're capable of giving as good as they get, in return.

:D

Oh good I can still think you're a plank :D

garinda 03-06-2011 20:32

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 910354)
Oh good I can still think you're a plank :D


Thank you.

That's sweet.

It's nice when someone as thick as two short ones, can look up to a real plank.

;):D:p

DaveinGermany 04-06-2011 05:59

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 910345)
Don't worry.

I'll still be ready with a scathing, and cutting quip, for anyone I thinks deserves it, and I know that they're capable of giving as good as they get, in return.

:D

That's just ........ so you ! :D

jaysay 04-06-2011 08:27

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 910384)
That's just ........ so you ! :D

Ya he's defo one of the sharpest in the knife box:D

garinda 20-08-2011 10:39

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Happily I'm no longer ashamed.

Though others should be.

Some people who decide to share their sometimes strongly worded views with us, deserve to be challenged. It's a discussion forum, after all.

Others, because people purely don't happen to share their enthusiasms, don't.

derekgas 20-08-2011 14:56

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 910246)
i trust not one person on this site to tell me the truth

I dont reckon I ever told you an untruth! But feel free to pm me if you disagree :p x

Retlaw 20-08-2011 19:16

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 910246)
Ah but if you are lead to believe by the person themselves that they are something they are not then you have every right to judge, the person has said a lot about their age, it has made me think other things that other people have said are a load of bull too, i trust not one person on this site to tell me the truth

Nay Flashy, when av I lied tu thee, ave crossed thee of mi xmas list, no orange fur thee.
Retlaw

jaysay 21-08-2011 09:14

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
I always tell the truth Shaz always, Bee's a lovely chap;)

garinda 25-08-2011 08:19

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
To all the conspiracy theorists, who think a certain member isn't genuine, but someone posting under a different username, you are wrong.

Fact.

100% wrong.

Turns out we have a mutual friend, from their primary school, which they left two years ago.

Time to accept people as they are, and stop the nasty digs.

jaysay 25-08-2011 08:29

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 928781)
To all the conspiracy theorists, who think a certain member isn't genuine, but someone posting under a different username, you are wrong.

Fact.

100% wrong.

Turns out we have a mutual friend, from their primary school, which they left two years ago.

Time to accept people as they are, and stop the nasty digs.

Who would that be then:confused::confused::confused::confused::confu sed:

garinda 25-08-2011 08:37

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 928784)
Who would that be then:confused::confused::confused::confused::confu sed:

I'm not naming names, or betraying confidences.

The member on here people think is an older person, isn't.

As posted earlier, I was guilty of nasty teasing myself, after being told someone was posting under a different username.

This isn't the case.

The person who is still having digs aimed at them, left primary school two years ago.

I personally know this as fact.

It's time we all cut others a little bit of slack.

jaysay 25-08-2011 09:31

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 928787)
I'm not naming names, or betraying confidences.

The member on here people think is an older person, isn't.

As posted earlier, I was guilty of nasty teasing myself, after being told someone was posting under a different username.

This isn't the case.

The person who is still having digs aimed at them, left primary school two years ago.

I personally know this as fact.

It's time we all cut others a little bit of slack.

I've already said what the answer is, I never have believed in ear say, seeing is believing in my book, and as yet I've seen nothing to change my mind

garinda 25-08-2011 09:52

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 928818)
seeing is believing in my book

I know you were brought up a Catholic, but do you not believe in God?

Even though you've seen no proof?

I've said my piece.

Anyone who knows me, knows that I'm not in the habit of posting things which aren't true.

The target of nasty sniping is twelve years old, and there's a reason they seem to have certain obsessions.

Carry on, if that's your wish.

Personally, now I know the truth, I think it's shameful.

garinda 25-08-2011 10:08

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
If people find certain posts tiresome, there's one easy solution.

Don't read them.

Personally I get tired of clicking on a new post, only to read some banal comment added, for the umpteenth time, which adds nothing to further a thead's disussion, but which is usually some nonsensical chit-chat.

I stopped reading those sort of posts ages ago.

:rolleyes::D

Less 25-08-2011 10:14

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 928832)

Anyone who knows me, knows that I'm not in the habit of posting things which aren't true.

The target of nasty sniping is twelve years old, and there's a reason they seem to have certain obsessions.

Carry on, if that's your wish.





Personally, now I know the truth, I think it's shameful.

Someone of 12 years of age should have applied for written permission from the Administrators before they are allowed to post on site and if it's who I suspect then their profile should not claim they are of an age almost 3 times what it is. (That leaves them open to far worse than a bit of teasing, or as you call it sniping).

Parental control is expected and called for in all aspects for someone of such a delicate age to post on the www.

I have no objection to his/her posting but surely the onus is on his/her parents/carers to ensure that we have a level and honest playing field?
:rolleyes:

jaysay 25-08-2011 10:18

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 928837)
Someone of 12 years of age should have applied for written permission from the Administrators before they are allowed to post on site and if it's who I suspect then their profile should not claim they are of an age almost 3 times what it is. (That leaves them open to far worse than a bit of teasing, or as you call it sniping).

Parental control is expected and called for in all aspects for someone of such a delicate age to post on the www.

I have no objection to his/her posting but surely the onus is on his/her parents/carers to ensure that we have a level and honest playing field?
:rolleyes:

100% Spot on Less

garinda 25-08-2011 10:31

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 928838)
100% Spot on Less

More than you are.

Who supposedly believes an existing member is posting under a different username.

Carry on, if that's you wish.

I've said my piece.

If someone's broken forum rules, then it should be reported.

Mancie 25-08-2011 11:41

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Oh dear.. so Jaysay is actually a 12 yr old posing as an adult!.. have to say judging by most of his posts I did have my suspicions... but I was thinking he was more like 5 or 6 yrs old...:)

mobertol 25-08-2011 11:46

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
What? You mean the photo of that handsome chap isn't him?!!!!

MargaretR 25-08-2011 12:05

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 928858)
What? You mean the photo of that handsome chap isn't him?!!!!

Did you miss adding a sarcastic smiley?

mobertol 25-08-2011 13:36

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 928862)
Did you miss adding a sarcastic smiley?

I can assure you i have nothing to add to my original comment Margaret ;)

jaysay 25-08-2011 17:57

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 928870)
I can assure you i have nothing to add to my original comment Margaret ;)

I think I could grow to like you mobertol:D:D

jaysay 25-08-2011 18:00

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 928839)
More than you are.

Who supposedly believes an existing member is posting under a different username.

Carry on, if that's you wish.

I've said my piece.

If someone's broken forum rules, then it should be reported.

Somebody once told me the moon was made of green cheese, I'll believe them when they actually brings a sample for me to taste, until that happens I'll carry on being just a tad sceptical;)

garinda 25-08-2011 19:06

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 928834)
Personally I get tired of clicking on a new post, only to read some banal comment added, for the umpteenth time, which adds nothing to further a thead's disussion, but which is usually some nonsensical chit-chat.

http://smileys.smilchat.net/smiley/g...es-fatigue.gif

Neil 25-08-2011 21:29

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 928839)
More than you are.

Who supposedly believes an existing member is posting under a different username.

Carry on, if that's you wish.

I've said my piece.

If someone's broken forum rules, then it should be reported.

I have reported the broken rule myself as I thought he was a year older. I can admit to my mistakes, shame others cant.

suedarbo 25-08-2011 21:37

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 928781)
To all the conspiracy theorists, who think a certain member isn't genuine, but someone posting under a different username, you are wrong.

Fact.

100% wrong.

Turns out we have a mutual friend, from their primary school, which they left two years ago.

Time to accept people as they are, and stop the nasty digs.

Just an observation but I am probably totally wrong, if he left school 2 years ago would that not make him 13 as they usually leave primary school at 11. I haven't the foggiest who we are talking about but just thought if he was 13 perhaps no rules have been broken?
Sorry if I'm wrong :)

Neil 25-08-2011 21:57

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
You leave year 6 at 11 and a few will be 12 when they start year 7 if they are September babies but most will start year 7 at 11. Almost all will start year 8 at 12 with September babies being 13.

suedarbo 25-08-2011 22:04

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Ahh I see, I think. I just thought if he was 11 in say, March 2 years ago he would now be 13 and would be ready for going into year 9 in September.
I think I've got confused again.:hidewall:

Neil 25-08-2011 22:12

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by suedarbo (Post 928956)
I think I've got confused again.:hidewall:

Now you can see why I was confused. Its all this year 7 nonsense, thats first year to me still and I have a lad at Chris's :D

Mancie 25-08-2011 22:16

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 928900)
Somebody once told me the moon was made of green cheese, I'll believe them when they actually brings a sample for me to taste

Quite right... you don't need to believe everything your therapy counselor tells you... and I reckon you should make a stand on all this "green cheese" rubbish. :)

mobertol 25-08-2011 22:25

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 928899)
I think I could grow to like you mobertol:D:D

Who could resist such a fetching smile....;)

Guinness 25-08-2011 22:46

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Total agreement with Garinda here, far too many people being judgemental with some posters.

I'd like to think some of you would feel ashamed if you found out, for example, that you were ridiculing someone with a learning disability who was being encouraged to use this forum as a way of socialising and integrating.

Strange how some of you make allowances for Jaysays crap spelling or Cashmans 'type as I speak' style, yet attack someone because they make mundane posts.

(btw..not an attack on either Jaysay or Cashy, just using you as examples of people who do not follow the established 'norm')

Mancie 25-08-2011 22:48

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Even a halfwit could see the bloke/women is either an adult with some issues or a kid ... either way I've never seen this person react with any kind of abuse to the ridicule he/she has been subject to by some people on here that consider themselves responsable adults..(yet another first on here) some have kicked the kak out of this member...a good old fashioned playground bullying by the "big kids"

cashman 25-08-2011 22:50

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
thing is guinness if someone tells obvious lies, then what do yeh expect? say nowt?

garinda 25-08-2011 22:58

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
The person concerned is twelve, and isn't thirteen until next year.

The years since they left primary school was merely my way of pointing out that he is actually a young person, and not as many still think an adult, posting under an assumed name. I did this to help protect his anonymity, not knowing forum rules about age. As far as I was aware I thought a twelve year old could be a member here, the same as anyone else.

I do feel guilty, if it it turns out they are unable to post until forum administrators receive written parental consent, allowing their child to participate on Accy Web.

I do not feel guilty about revealing their age if it helps prevent the continuing sniping aimed at them.

I hope they do carry on posting.

Enthusiasm isn't a crime, even if others might not share it.

Mancie 25-08-2011 23:06

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 928968)
The person concerned is twelve, and isn't thirteen until next year..

I do not feel guilty about revealing their age if it helps prevent the continuing sniping aimed at them.

I hope they do carry on posting.

Enthusiasm isn't a crime, even if others might not share it.

To my mind some people should have sussed this out and taken some care in how they give the usual slagging to some new members.. we are talking about grown men and women verbally attacking someone because in thier view they make mudane posts.. it's not as if this member has been posting anything that could upset people it's simple bullying. :(

Alan Varrechia 25-08-2011 23:14

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
I think he may be young enough that most of the sarcasm and vitriol would have gone straight over his head. I hope so anyway.

Guinness 25-08-2011 23:15

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 928968)
The person concerned is twelve, and isn't thirteen until next year.

The years since they left primary school was merely my way of pointing out that he is actually a young person, and not as many still think an adult, posting under an assumed name. I did this to help protect his anonymity, not knowing forum rules about age. As far as I was aware I thought a twelve year old could be a member here, the same as anyone else.

I do feel guilty, if it it turns out they are unable to post until forum administrators receive written parental consent, allowing their child to participate on Accy Web.

I do not feel guilty about revealing their age if it helps prevent the continuing sniping aimed at them.

I hope they do carry on posting.

Enthusiasm isn't a crime, even if others might not share it.

There you go, an explanation of the posts, a young person interested in what is happening in the local area, what shops have closed, when and where...seems to me a future Retlaw who in another 50 years or so will be able to fill Accrington Library with first hand information of what happened in Accrington in 2011...not so mundane now..eh?

cashman 25-08-2011 23:18

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
if yeh cant see the difference between what Retlaw is doing n why, then yeh musta had one to many.:rolleyes:

garinda 25-08-2011 23:35

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 928971)
To my mind some people should have sussed this out and taken some care in how they give the usual slagging to some new members.. we are talking about grown men and women verbally attacking someone because in thier view they make mudane posts.. it's not as if this member has been posting anything that could upset people it's simple bullying. :(

The conspiracy theorists believe the person is already an active adult member of this forum.

They suspected it was Romps, Neil, Roy, or Less, that I heard of. There could have been more.

When it's been stated that it is actually a 'real' young person, but the sniping will continue, because some haven't seen 'proof' personally, doesn't reflect well on us all.

I don't ever remember being asked to prove who I was on here, and produce my birth certificate, and N.I. number etc., and send copies to every single member of Accy Web.

Besides apparently breaking a rule about needing parental consent, this member has never been nasty to anyone. They're cheerful, enthusiastic, and interested in the local community, and the area in general.

Hopefully this will be sorted, and we all might afford a warmer welcome, to them, and any other young person who joins us, and who has an interest in what's happening in the world.

Guinness 25-08-2011 23:39

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 928979)
if yeh cant see the difference between what Retlaw is doing n why, then yeh musta had one to many.:rolleyes:

I take your point, only Retlaw can say where, when and why he got the bug to be a local historian, all I'm saying is the youngster is showing an interest in all things local, questioning and asking us old fogies about stuff he/she ain't sure about and best of all ain't out on the streets causing mayhem, which should be applauded

garinda 25-08-2011 23:50

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 928981)
I take your point, only Retlaw can say where, when and why he got the bug to be a local historian, all I'm saying is the youngster is showing an interest in all things local, questioning and asking us old fogies about stuff he/she ain't sure about and best of all ain't out on the streets causing mayhem, which should be applauded

You're right.

Some have sussed why a certain young person might seem to have an obsessive interest in certain things.

There is a reason why this is, and it's not unusual, given the circumstances.

I am not going to publicly give further details.

I feel bad, for having to give the details I have.

Regardless of age, every member here has the right to anonymity, and privacy, unless they wish to discuss details of their lives publicly.

Wynonie Harris 26-08-2011 07:18

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
I agree that bullying a 12 year old who's not in a position to defend themselves is totally out of order.

However, would it not help if their profile was more accurate? At the moment it says they're a "30 year old Ossy resident with a wife and kids" who works in the NHS. Personally, I believe that the person is who Gary and Neil say they are and I have stopped taking the mick. However, others still have doubts. Would it not help to remove those doubts if their profile was, without going into details, more accurate?

lancsdave 26-08-2011 07:35

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 928991)
I agree that bullying a 12 year old who's not in a position to defend themselves is totally out of order.

However, would it not help if their profile was more accurate? At the moment it says they're a "30 year old Ossy resident with a wife and kids" who works in the NHS. Personally, I believe that the person is who Gary and Neil say they are and I have stopped taking the mick. However, others still have doubts. Would it not help to remove those doubts if their profile was, without going into details, more accurate?


Why would you beleive that if the person concerned has already stated he/she works and drives a car :confused:

I had to wait until I was 17 to drive, 16 to work and even now I get posts deleted under the rules of Accyweb, and I'm over 13 :rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 26-08-2011 07:46

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 928992)
Why would you beleive that if the person concerned has already stated he/she works and drives a car :confused:

I had to wait until I was 17 to drive, 16 to work and even now I get posts deleted under the rules of Accyweb, and I'm over 13 :rolleyes:

Maybe part of their "problem" is the need to invent a fantasy alias?

flashy 26-08-2011 07:51

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
If this person IS 12 which i highly doubt he is....why didn't his best mate NEIL who is supposed to know forum rules being a mod and all that, stop his account? Funny that aint it? Utter bull as usual

accyman 26-08-2011 07:54

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
lol just realized my date of birth in my profile is February 1, 1949

then again i was in a rush when creating this account to replace my od account.I hope no one has been misled by my profile and thinks that i am a grumpy old man rather than a grumpy middle aged man :D

lancsdave 26-08-2011 07:59

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 928996)
thinks that i am a grumpy old man rather than a grumpy middle aged man :D

Nowt wrong with being both :D

lancsdave 26-08-2011 08:00

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 928993)
Maybe part of their "problem" is the need to invent a fantasy alias?


I think there are different sites for that, and definatley shouldn't be used by children :D:D:D:D

cashman 26-08-2011 08:03

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 928991)
I agree that bullying a 12 year old who's not in a position to defend themselves is totally out of order.

However, would it not help if their profile was more accurate? At the moment it says they're a "30 year old Ossy resident with a wife and kids" who works in the NHS. Personally, I believe that the person is who Gary and Neil say they are and I have stopped taking the mick. However, others still have doubts. Would it not help to remove those doubts if their profile was, without going into details, more accurate?

Thing is though quite simple to me, if someone comes along to any site, n gives information on profile n through posts etc, it is not unreasonable to take em at face value? unless yeh happen to be a guy like "Kreskin":rolleyes: i will not doubt the integrity of anyone, unless given what i regard as just cause.

jaysay 26-08-2011 09:03

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Don't know about other people but I always check the profile of new members that post regularly and from what I've seen others do the same, so who can blame people if a truly false profile is used on this or any other Web Site. But on the other hand I think it was Guinness who mentioned my spelling mistakes, Can't think that I have ever thrown my toys out of the pram when I've been ribbed unmercilessly by certain members, just joined in with the fun, but after this little episode I may just change a little, or no a bloody lot

lancsdave 26-08-2011 09:17

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 929015)
I've been ribbed unmercilessly by certain members, just joined in with the fun,


You've had it easy, I get racially abused all the time ;)

Neil 26-08-2011 09:18

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 928995)
If this person IS 12 which i highly doubt he is....why didn't his best mate NEIL who is supposed to know forum rules being a mod and all that, stop his account? Funny that aint it? Utter bull as usual

I posted this yesterday

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 928947)
I have reported the broken rule myself as I thought he was a year older. I can admit to my mistakes, shame others cant.


Neil 26-08-2011 09:20

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 929015)
Don't know about other people but I always check the profile of new members that post regularly and from what I've seen others do the same, so who can blame people if a truly false profile is used on this or any other Web Site.

Because you and a few others that were harassing him were told ages ago

jaysay 26-08-2011 09:36

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 929018)
You've had it easy, I get racially abused all the time ;)

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: Nice one:D

Less 26-08-2011 10:17

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Well it appears that the person who caused all this upset has been banned, (I hope it is only temporary), what a shame that he hadn't told the truth in his profile right at the beginning allowing the administrators to pick up on his age and then all of this controversy could have been avoided in the first place.

If there is a lesson to be learnt from this surely it is that all parents/guardians should be aware of what their little charges are up to when on the internet?

Neil 26-08-2011 10:23

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 929040)
..... what a shame that he hadn't told the truth in his profile right at the beginning.....

I cant see a rule that says you have to tell the truth on your profile.

cashman 26-08-2011 10:26

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 929043)
I cant see a rule that says you have to tell the truth on your profile.

there aint, but thats stupid comment imho.:rolleyes:

jaysay 26-08-2011 10:26

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 929043)
I cant see a rule that says you have to tell the truth on your profile.

Is there a rule on age Neil, I'm asking because I genuinely don't know:confused:

Less 26-08-2011 10:31

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 929043)
I cant see a rule that says you have to tell the truth on your profile.

Don't talk like a burk. The idea behind a profile is to give folk an idea of whom you are and your background, if you lie in your profile then obviously what you are is a liar!

But then I wouldn't expect you to agree with me on this subject, after all you are such a responsible person, you went out of your way to accuse me of using an extra user name and being this person, when you had absolutely no proof at all.

Less 26-08-2011 14:29

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 929046)
Is there a rule on age Neil, I'm asking because I genuinely don't know:confused:

Indeed there is,

it is in place to protect both the innocent and the site, after all what could be worse than finding that our site has caused harm to our youth?

When adults or people claiming to be adults sign up to the site they are treated as adults, however if someone of a delicate age tries to sign up they are flagged and are asked for adult permission in writing to protect them.

In this particular case, we either have a child that lied or else an adult that started a membership, then passed it on to a child, (I honestly can't see this young man able to make up the profile he used).

The whole of this has been blamed on bullies and unfeeling people, why?

Well it's obvious to me, why,
a child managed with or without adult assistance, deliberatly or innocently to have access to the site, the fact that that child is supposedly 'afflicted' in some manner does not excuse the adults supposedly responsible for that child, they allowed this to happen.

I don't blame the Administrators or Moderators for this deliberate lie, but anyone that is responsible for this child that allowed him to be treated as an adult IS to blame.

It could have meant due to what a child thought as 'little white lies', the end of accyweb had something far more serious happened.

Who would be to blame?

The members? The Moderators? The Administrators? The owner?

Or

The adults that knew of this childs actions but did nothing about it?

That child was treated as he was by members that had looked at his profile and treated him as an adult, he was accepted as what he claimed to be, therefore treated as we have all seen.

Can I ask that in future any child in similar circumstances is protected not by accyweb, (it could have been a worse site he was a member of), but by the people that should protect him?

His parents and guardians?

suedarbo 26-08-2011 14:53

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
I can understand both sides to this. I remember reading one post where the young man in question says he can remember the close of a certain works 6 years ago. If he is only 12 it seems rather confusing how he would remember this. I sincerely hope he can get written permission from his parents/carers and come back to Accyweb and we will all then, hopefully have the patience and understanding to treat him accordingly:D

cashman 26-08-2011 16:00

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 929077)
Indeed there is,

it is in place to protect both the innocent and the site, after all what could be worse than finding that our site has caused harm to our youth?

When adults or people claiming to be adults sign up to the site they are treated as adults, however if someone of a delicate age tries to sign up they are flagged and are asked for adult permission in writing to protect them.

In this particular case, we either have a child that lied or else an adult that started a membership, then passed it on to a child, (I honestly can't see this young man able to make up the profile he used).

The whole of this has been blamed on bullies and unfeeling people, why?

Well it's obvious to me, why,
a child managed with or without adult assistance, deliberatly or innocently to have access to the site, the fact that that child is supposedly 'afflicted' in some manner does not excuse the adults supposedly responsible for that child, they allowed this to happen.

I don't blame the Administrators or Moderators for this deliberate lie, but anyone that is responsible for this child that allowed him to be treated as an adult IS to blame.

It could have meant due to what a child thought as 'little white lies', the end of accyweb had something far more serious happened.

Who would be to blame?

The members? The Moderators? The Administrators? The owner?

Or

The adults that knew of this childs actions but did nothing about it?

That child was treated as he was by members that had looked at his profile and treated him as an adult, he was accepted as what he claimed to be, therefore treated as we have all seen.

Can I ask that in future any child in similar circumstances is protected not by accyweb, (it could have been a worse site he was a member of), but by the people that should protect him?

His parents and guardians?

Best post on the thread, perhaps the "Holier than Thou" knobs will take it on board, somehow i doubt it.:rolleyes:

garinda 26-08-2011 16:43

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 929093)
Best post on the thread, perhaps the "Holier than Thou" knobs will take it on board, somehow i doubt it.:rolleyes:

I don't think anyone's been 'holier than thou'.

I started this thread saying I was ashamed of some of things I'd posted, regarding a certain member.

Regardless of the age issue, we had a new member who was constantly the target of sniping, and demeaning attacks.

As far as I recall this was aimed at someone who was never rude, or obnoxious to anyone else on here.

He was singled out because of his enthusiasms, that some others didn't share them. Even though there was a simple solution if you found it irritating...don't read what's posted.

Singling someone out, who hasn't posted anything bad, is wrong.

It's the sad sort of behaviour you see in school playgrounds.

It reflects badly on all of us. Myself included.

garinda 26-08-2011 16:47

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
By the way.

If anyone's so bored they bother to read my profile details, I'm not actually sponsored by the Arts Council of Great Britain to post on here.

That doesn't make me a liar.

Just someone with a sense of humour.

;)

Less 26-08-2011 16:55

The last two posts also show that when you put on your sack cloth and ashes, you won't stop whipping until everybody bleeds.
It could never have happened if the lad wasn't here under false pretences a problem his parents/guardians created, not the members.

Mancie 26-08-2011 16:59

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 929116)
I don't think anyone's been 'holier than thou'.

I started this thread saying I was ashamed of some of things I'd posted, regarding a certain member.

Regardless of the age issue, we had a new member who was constantly the target of sniping, and demeaning attacks.

As far as I recall this was aimed at someone who was never rude, or obnoxious to anyone else on here.

He was singled out because of his enthusiasms, that some others didn't share them. Even though there was a simple solution if you found it irritating...don't read what's posted.

Singling someone out, who hasn't posted anything bad, is wrong.

It's the sad sort of behaviour you see in school playgrounds.

It reflects badly on all of us. Myself included.

That's correct...nobody knew Bee's real age .. he was picked on simply because people found his posts boring (and I did)..the strange thing is the same members were usually the first to reply to Bee's posts. :confused:

Mancie 26-08-2011 17:02

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 929122)
The last two posts also show that when you put on your sack cloth and ashes, you won't stop whipping until everybody bleeds.
It could never have happened if the lad wasn't here under false pretences a problem his parents/guardians created, not the members.

Of course it could still have happend... the same could even have happened to any new adult member..the picking on had nothing to do with the persons profile... some of this was just abit of mickey taking but some was plain nasty.

garinda 26-08-2011 17:05

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 929122)
The last two posts also show that when you put on your sack cloth and ashes, you won't stop whipping until everybody bleeds.
It could never have happened if the lad wasn't here under false pretences a problem his parents/guardians created, not the members.

People targeted him not knowing his age.

Threads were started asking for his removal.

Purely because of what he'd posted.

Youi might think that's acceptable.

I think it stinks.

If people are nasty, I'll happily kick their arse, and give them a taste of their own nasty medicine.

He'd done nothing wrong, other than post things that he thought interesting.

To target him because of that is wrong.

Period.

garinda 26-08-2011 17:07

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 929128)
Of course it could still have happend... the same could even have happened to any new adult member..the picking on had nothing to do with the persons profile... some of this was just abit of mickey taking but some was plain nasty.

Exactly, and it's sad people don't seem able to understand that.

garinda 26-08-2011 17:09

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
All the conspiracy theorists didn't believe the profile details anyway.

They thought it was an already active member.

Neil 26-08-2011 17:27

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 929046)
Is there a rule on age Neil, I'm asking because I genuinely don't know:confused:

Yes there is, if you read the rules from the link in my sig you will find this one.

Quote:

24: If your 13 or under you MUST get your parents/guardian to fill the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 form in
when you put your date of birth in to register
If you read this link about it

Children's Online Privacy Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you will see it is a US federal law and our rule is wrong, it should state under 13 which means 12 or under not 13 or under as in our rule.

The servers are hosted in the US so have to follow US law on the collection of information of children.

mobertol 26-08-2011 17:53

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
A tangled web indeed -and what a shame. It took me about half of this thread to work out who you were talking about and I am very sorry that he had to be banned. What some deem boring others found interesting and his threads generated an average number of replies so presumably they weren't so bad.
As a relatively new contributor to this site I must admit that it can be a bit daunting to write down your thoughts etc for the scrutiny of folk you don't know. One little run in with Less a while ago brought me up short at first, then I realised what a loveable old rascal he is (as they say in the best women's magazines Less is more....which always features alongside Grey is the new black and other such startling truths). Other members have been helpful and witty and in the end, you know, it takes all sorts. Variety is the spice of life after all....
G - stop beating yourself up, heavy-weights don't usually get thrown into the ring with fly-weights and wouldn't throw any punches unless they were blind-folded, which was effectively the case....keep up the bear-baiting though.:thumbsup:

jaysay 26-08-2011 18:18

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 929145)
A tangled web indeed -and what a shame. It took me about half of this thread to work out who you were talking about and I am very sorry that he had to be banned. What some deem boring others found interesting and his threads generated an average number of replies so presumably they weren't so bad.
As a relatively new contributor to this site I must admit that it can be a bit daunting to write down your thoughts etc for the scrutiny of folk you don't know. One little run in with Less a while ago brought me up short at first, then I realised what a loveable old rascal he is (as they say in the best women's magazines Less is more....which always features alongside Grey is the new black and other such startling truths). Other members have been helpful and witty and in the end, you know, it takes all sorts. Variety is the spice of life after all....
G - stop beating yourself up, heavy-weights don't usually get thrown into the ring with fly-weights and wouldn't throw any punches unless they were blind-folded, which was effectively the case....keep up the bear-baiting though.:thumbsup:

Less a loveable old rascal:eek::eek::eek:He won't have love you for that, you've got more nerve that me:D:D

Neil 26-08-2011 18:20

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 929145)
.....
As a relatively new contributor to this site I must admit that it can be a bit daunting to write down your thoughts etc for the scrutiny of folk you don't know......

Did you get the "if you had been on here for more than 5 minutes" or "we have had that before" or "you will get used to us" or the many other unwelcoming comments and ridiculing new users often get?

garinda 26-08-2011 18:28

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 929157)
Did you get the "if you had been on here for more than 5 minutes" or "we have had that before" or "you will get used to us" or the many other unwelcoming comments and ridiculing new users often get?

I didn't think you were allowed to print the clique oath, even in part.

Isn't it supposed to be chanted at the swearing in ceremony, and never written down?

At least that's what one of the members of the clique once told me.

:rolleyes::D

Alan Varrechia 26-08-2011 18:46

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
I can just see them now, sat in the Railway, trouser legs rolled up giving themselves funny handshakes!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D

Mancie 26-08-2011 18:49

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia (Post 929167)
I can just see them now, sat in the Railway, trouser legs rolled up giving themselves funny handshakes!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D

:eek:..would that be the smoking or non smoking section? :confused:

cashman 26-08-2011 19:38

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 929116)
I don't think anyone's been 'holier than thou'.

the comment wasn't aimed in your direction, as i thought yeh would know, following the other days natter,:confused: but yer entitled to that opinion,i happen to think otherwise.

garinda 26-08-2011 19:43

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 929190)
the comment wasn't aimed in your direction, as i thought yeh would know, following the other days natter,:confused: but yer entitled to that opinion,i happen to think otherwise.

I didn't take it, that you meant me.

I just disagreed with it.

I don't think anyone's been 'holier than thou'.

Not that I've seen evidence of anyway.

Margaret Pilkington 26-08-2011 20:42

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Judging a book by its' cover.
When we buy a book..or borrow one for that matter, it is usual to read the synopsis, and the comments made by the critics....this is how we decide whether this particular book is going to be something we invest time in...and read. If the book cover looks boring, or the synopsis is lack lustre then we probably won't bother with it.....we have made the judgement.

We all judge books by their cover....and a forum members profile is all we can go on until we are fortunate enough to meet the member in person.
While I know there is nothing in the rules that says we have to be truthful, it is very different to put something that is calculated to mislead....and I appreciate that this doesn't give other members carte blanche to get on that persons case.

I never really gave creedence to the theory that the person being discussed in this thread was someone who already had a forum identity....and was just posting these mundane threads to wind people up.

The threads and posts on the forum, by this person, I found tedious(I eventually used the ignore button)....and made comment to that effect. I make no apology for that because it is how I would treat any other member of the forum.(I don't think I was ever nasty to this member - if I was, then I apologise for that) If you come on here as an adult then you should expect to be treated like an adult.

garinda 26-08-2011 21:02

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 929211)
...a forum members profile is all we can go on until we are fortunate enough to meet the member in person.

Being nosey I occasionally look at someone's profile.

Ninety percent of them contain little, or no information.

So all I have to go on, in deciding what someone is like, is from what they post.

Which in the case of the person concerned, may have been banal, but was never, ever nasty, or snide. Yet that's what they got back from many of us.

I'm sure there are lots of people on here I'll never meet in person. That doesn't mean I won't have an opinion about someone's character.

I loved Westender, and shared many happy interactions with her, but sadly never met her, and now of course I won't, because sadly she's passed away.

We do all form opinions about other people.

Sometimes we discover out inital opinion was right.

Other times they aren't.

Margaret Pilkington 26-08-2011 21:20

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Yes, you are right.
Introductory posts help too.
The only reason I looked at this members profile was because the posts were so short, and seemed to have only one focus/ topic.

It is inevitable that we make judgements based on what we know.....or at least what we think we know....that is why so many people have been duped in internet friendships....because you can purport to be anything you want...whether it is true or not, well that is another matter entirely.

garinda 26-08-2011 21:36

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 929232)
internet...because you can purport to be anything you want

That's true, and without wishing to discuss another thread's topic, that isn't necessarily always a bad thing.

Everyone can have an equal voice. Especially on a forum such as this.

It doesn't matter whether in 'real life' you are shy, stutter, aren't very confident with language, or even if you can't communicate verbally at all.

You can say whatever you want. Be someone different.

You can have a voice, even if in reality you literally haven't got one.

I disagree with all this guff about proof of identity being needed, before what we post is taken seriously.

Even if we physically meet people, we all still self-edit what we want people to see, and know about us.

I suspect for most of us, there'll only be a very small number of people who'll know the 'real' person.

If any.

odders 26-08-2011 21:38

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 929221)
Being nosey I occasionally look at someone's profile.

As most regular members will...;)(Even if were not in the clique, and yes I did once mention it, silly me:D)
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 929221)
Ninety percent of them contain little, or no information.

Just like mine:D
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 929221)
So all I have to go on, in deciding what someone is like, is from what they post.

Just like all members:rolleyes:
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 929221)
Which in the case of the person concerned, may have been banal, but was never, ever nasty, or snide. Yet that's what they got back from many of us.

Very true, but people made assumptions, on posts made usually in the past lacking substance(Troll like), also a profile that gave credibility.:o
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 929221)
I'm sure there are lots of people on here I'll never meet in person. That doesn't mean I won't have an opinion about someone's character.

Yes you will never meet me. And I honestly do not care of your opinion of me, or your opinions of other members. If I read a post it is of my choice, as it is if I reply, the whole point of an open forum, the ignore feature is available, yes just read it and don't reply:rolleyes:
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 929221)
I loved Westender, and shared many happy interactions with her, but sadly never met her, and now of course I won't, because sadly she's passed away.

R.I.P , another sad loss.

odders 26-08-2011 21:41

Re: Judging a book by it's cover.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 929236)
That's true, and without wishing to discuss another thread's topic, that isn't necessarily always a bad thing.

Everyone can have an equal voice. Especially on a forum such as this.

It doesn't matter whether in 'real life' you are shy, stutter, aren't very confident with language, or even if you can't communicate verbally at all.

You can say whatever you want. Be someone different.

You can have a voice, even if in reality you literally haven't got one.

I disagree with all this guff about proof of identity being needed, before what we post is taken seriously.

Even if we physically meet people, we all still self-edit what we want people to see, and know about us.

I suspect for most of us, there'll only be a very small number of people who'll know the 'real' person.

If any.

Good post, and it goes back to the title of your thread.:)


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