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Judging a book by it's cover.
In the past I've accused people of making judgements, without knowing the facts.
I guess it's something we all do though really. Form an instant opinion about something, or someone, prior to finding out more information. I feel a little bit ashamed. Without breaking confidentiality, I've teased and made fun of someone, thinking I knew they were someone other than who they actually are. Without going in to too many details, I urge us all to think that sometimes things aren't what they at first seem to be. Sometimes people may be different from what we first thought, and what seems like a plan to annoy is really just a way a person is. Part of their being. Please, don't feel as mean as myself, for the teasing I've done. Tolerance, and understanding that sometimes some things, and people are actually genuine...even if we don't necessarily think that initially. |
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Ah but if you are lead to believe by the person themselves that they are something they are not then you have every right to judge, the person has said a lot about their age, it has made me think other things that other people have said are a load of bull too, i trust not one person on this site to tell me the truth
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Yes Gary we have all done it, but it take one hell of a person to admit that and it proves what a wonderful person you really are.
as for judging a book............ its what we do on a forum such as this because we dont know everyone personally, I suppose it's human nature to form an opinion, be it positive or negative. big hugs Rhonda x |
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I've thought I knew something, and didn't. Now I know better, what I thought was funny, wasn't. It was cruel, and nasty. Can't take back what's done, but hopefully will be a little more open-minded, and trusting, in the future. |
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Not a problem when you're perfect in every way like wot i am.:hehetable
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I hear what you say G, and know exactly what and why your saying it, the only thing is people who are NOT in the know will still carry on in the same manner, which is unfortunate really
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G....we are all human. That means we are prone to make mistakes and errors of judgement...owning up, apologising and vowing to do better is the best we can ever do.
Been there done it and worn the t-shirt. |
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Lying in the profile description does not convey 'childish innocence' to me - more like deliberate mischief.
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some things can be a lot more complex n hard to comprehend than most of us understand, but if yer n expert on it?
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I made a similar observation on this thread :-
Black Panther - Accrington Web I do believe that on occasion I've responded without giving due thought to the outcome or consequences & it is merely a reflection of the human make up. But if I think on I can hopefully avoid making these mistakes again by pausing before posting, if I do offend someone all I ask is that you contact me & I'll clarify or apologise as is needed. |
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Don't worry. I'll still be ready with a scathing, and cutting quip, for anyone I thinks deserves it, and I know that they're capable of giving as good as they get, in return. :D I'll just try and make sure it's an even match first. :o |
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G - I forgive you. At my funeral, if anyone has a long face, I will never speak to them again.
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Thank you. That's sweet. It's nice when someone as thick as two short ones, can look up to a real plank. ;):D:p |
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Happily I'm no longer ashamed.
Though others should be. Some people who decide to share their sometimes strongly worded views with us, deserve to be challenged. It's a discussion forum, after all. Others, because people purely don't happen to share their enthusiasms, don't. |
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I always tell the truth Shaz always, Bee's a lovely chap;)
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To all the conspiracy theorists, who think a certain member isn't genuine, but someone posting under a different username, you are wrong.
Fact. 100% wrong. Turns out we have a mutual friend, from their primary school, which they left two years ago. Time to accept people as they are, and stop the nasty digs. |
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The member on here people think is an older person, isn't. As posted earlier, I was guilty of nasty teasing myself, after being told someone was posting under a different username. This isn't the case. The person who is still having digs aimed at them, left primary school two years ago. I personally know this as fact. It's time we all cut others a little bit of slack. |
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Even though you've seen no proof? I've said my piece. Anyone who knows me, knows that I'm not in the habit of posting things which aren't true. The target of nasty sniping is twelve years old, and there's a reason they seem to have certain obsessions. Carry on, if that's your wish. Personally, now I know the truth, I think it's shameful. |
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If people find certain posts tiresome, there's one easy solution.
Don't read them. Personally I get tired of clicking on a new post, only to read some banal comment added, for the umpteenth time, which adds nothing to further a thead's disussion, but which is usually some nonsensical chit-chat. I stopped reading those sort of posts ages ago. :rolleyes::D |
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Parental control is expected and called for in all aspects for someone of such a delicate age to post on the www. I have no objection to his/her posting but surely the onus is on his/her parents/carers to ensure that we have a level and honest playing field? :rolleyes: |
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Who supposedly believes an existing member is posting under a different username. Carry on, if that's you wish. I've said my piece. If someone's broken forum rules, then it should be reported. |
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Oh dear.. so Jaysay is actually a 12 yr old posing as an adult!.. have to say judging by most of his posts I did have my suspicions... but I was thinking he was more like 5 or 6 yrs old...:)
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What? You mean the photo of that handsome chap isn't him?!!!!
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Sorry if I'm wrong :) |
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You leave year 6 at 11 and a few will be 12 when they start year 7 if they are September babies but most will start year 7 at 11. Almost all will start year 8 at 12 with September babies being 13.
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Ahh I see, I think. I just thought if he was 11 in say, March 2 years ago he would now be 13 and would be ready for going into year 9 in September.
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Total agreement with Garinda here, far too many people being judgemental with some posters.
I'd like to think some of you would feel ashamed if you found out, for example, that you were ridiculing someone with a learning disability who was being encouraged to use this forum as a way of socialising and integrating. Strange how some of you make allowances for Jaysays crap spelling or Cashmans 'type as I speak' style, yet attack someone because they make mundane posts. (btw..not an attack on either Jaysay or Cashy, just using you as examples of people who do not follow the established 'norm') |
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Even a halfwit could see the bloke/women is either an adult with some issues or a kid ... either way I've never seen this person react with any kind of abuse to the ridicule he/she has been subject to by some people on here that consider themselves responsable adults..(yet another first on here) some have kicked the kak out of this member...a good old fashioned playground bullying by the "big kids"
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thing is guinness if someone tells obvious lies, then what do yeh expect? say nowt?
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The person concerned is twelve, and isn't thirteen until next year.
The years since they left primary school was merely my way of pointing out that he is actually a young person, and not as many still think an adult, posting under an assumed name. I did this to help protect his anonymity, not knowing forum rules about age. As far as I was aware I thought a twelve year old could be a member here, the same as anyone else. I do feel guilty, if it it turns out they are unable to post until forum administrators receive written parental consent, allowing their child to participate on Accy Web. I do not feel guilty about revealing their age if it helps prevent the continuing sniping aimed at them. I hope they do carry on posting. Enthusiasm isn't a crime, even if others might not share it. |
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I think he may be young enough that most of the sarcasm and vitriol would have gone straight over his head. I hope so anyway.
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if yeh cant see the difference between what Retlaw is doing n why, then yeh musta had one to many.:rolleyes:
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They suspected it was Romps, Neil, Roy, or Less, that I heard of. There could have been more. When it's been stated that it is actually a 'real' young person, but the sniping will continue, because some haven't seen 'proof' personally, doesn't reflect well on us all. I don't ever remember being asked to prove who I was on here, and produce my birth certificate, and N.I. number etc., and send copies to every single member of Accy Web. Besides apparently breaking a rule about needing parental consent, this member has never been nasty to anyone. They're cheerful, enthusiastic, and interested in the local community, and the area in general. Hopefully this will be sorted, and we all might afford a warmer welcome, to them, and any other young person who joins us, and who has an interest in what's happening in the world. |
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Some have sussed why a certain young person might seem to have an obsessive interest in certain things. There is a reason why this is, and it's not unusual, given the circumstances. I am not going to publicly give further details. I feel bad, for having to give the details I have. Regardless of age, every member here has the right to anonymity, and privacy, unless they wish to discuss details of their lives publicly. |
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I agree that bullying a 12 year old who's not in a position to defend themselves is totally out of order.
However, would it not help if their profile was more accurate? At the moment it says they're a "30 year old Ossy resident with a wife and kids" who works in the NHS. Personally, I believe that the person is who Gary and Neil say they are and I have stopped taking the mick. However, others still have doubts. Would it not help to remove those doubts if their profile was, without going into details, more accurate? |
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Why would you beleive that if the person concerned has already stated he/she works and drives a car :confused: I had to wait until I was 17 to drive, 16 to work and even now I get posts deleted under the rules of Accyweb, and I'm over 13 :rolleyes: |
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If this person IS 12 which i highly doubt he is....why didn't his best mate NEIL who is supposed to know forum rules being a mod and all that, stop his account? Funny that aint it? Utter bull as usual
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lol just realized my date of birth in my profile is February 1, 1949
then again i was in a rush when creating this account to replace my od account.I hope no one has been misled by my profile and thinks that i am a grumpy old man rather than a grumpy middle aged man :D |
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I think there are different sites for that, and definatley shouldn't be used by children :D:D:D:D |
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Don't know about other people but I always check the profile of new members that post regularly and from what I've seen others do the same, so who can blame people if a truly false profile is used on this or any other Web Site. But on the other hand I think it was Guinness who mentioned my spelling mistakes, Can't think that I have ever thrown my toys out of the pram when I've been ribbed unmercilessly by certain members, just joined in with the fun, but after this little episode I may just change a little, or no a bloody lot
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You've had it easy, I get racially abused all the time ;) |
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Well it appears that the person who caused all this upset has been banned, (I hope it is only temporary), what a shame that he hadn't told the truth in his profile right at the beginning allowing the administrators to pick up on his age and then all of this controversy could have been avoided in the first place.
If there is a lesson to be learnt from this surely it is that all parents/guardians should be aware of what their little charges are up to when on the internet? |
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But then I wouldn't expect you to agree with me on this subject, after all you are such a responsible person, you went out of your way to accuse me of using an extra user name and being this person, when you had absolutely no proof at all. |
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it is in place to protect both the innocent and the site, after all what could be worse than finding that our site has caused harm to our youth? When adults or people claiming to be adults sign up to the site they are treated as adults, however if someone of a delicate age tries to sign up they are flagged and are asked for adult permission in writing to protect them. In this particular case, we either have a child that lied or else an adult that started a membership, then passed it on to a child, (I honestly can't see this young man able to make up the profile he used). The whole of this has been blamed on bullies and unfeeling people, why? Well it's obvious to me, why, a child managed with or without adult assistance, deliberatly or innocently to have access to the site, the fact that that child is supposedly 'afflicted' in some manner does not excuse the adults supposedly responsible for that child, they allowed this to happen. I don't blame the Administrators or Moderators for this deliberate lie, but anyone that is responsible for this child that allowed him to be treated as an adult IS to blame. It could have meant due to what a child thought as 'little white lies', the end of accyweb had something far more serious happened. Who would be to blame? The members? The Moderators? The Administrators? The owner? Or The adults that knew of this childs actions but did nothing about it? That child was treated as he was by members that had looked at his profile and treated him as an adult, he was accepted as what he claimed to be, therefore treated as we have all seen. Can I ask that in future any child in similar circumstances is protected not by accyweb, (it could have been a worse site he was a member of), but by the people that should protect him? His parents and guardians? |
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I can understand both sides to this. I remember reading one post where the young man in question says he can remember the close of a certain works 6 years ago. If he is only 12 it seems rather confusing how he would remember this. I sincerely hope he can get written permission from his parents/carers and come back to Accyweb and we will all then, hopefully have the patience and understanding to treat him accordingly:D
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I started this thread saying I was ashamed of some of things I'd posted, regarding a certain member. Regardless of the age issue, we had a new member who was constantly the target of sniping, and demeaning attacks. As far as I recall this was aimed at someone who was never rude, or obnoxious to anyone else on here. He was singled out because of his enthusiasms, that some others didn't share them. Even though there was a simple solution if you found it irritating...don't read what's posted. Singling someone out, who hasn't posted anything bad, is wrong. It's the sad sort of behaviour you see in school playgrounds. It reflects badly on all of us. Myself included. |
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By the way.
If anyone's so bored they bother to read my profile details, I'm not actually sponsored by the Arts Council of Great Britain to post on here. That doesn't make me a liar. Just someone with a sense of humour. ;) |
The last two posts also show that when you put on your sack cloth and ashes, you won't stop whipping until everybody bleeds.
It could never have happened if the lad wasn't here under false pretences a problem his parents/guardians created, not the members. |
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Threads were started asking for his removal. Purely because of what he'd posted. Youi might think that's acceptable. I think it stinks. If people are nasty, I'll happily kick their arse, and give them a taste of their own nasty medicine. He'd done nothing wrong, other than post things that he thought interesting. To target him because of that is wrong. Period. |
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All the conspiracy theorists didn't believe the profile details anyway.
They thought it was an already active member. |
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Children's Online Privacy Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia you will see it is a US federal law and our rule is wrong, it should state under 13 which means 12 or under not 13 or under as in our rule. The servers are hosted in the US so have to follow US law on the collection of information of children. |
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A tangled web indeed -and what a shame. It took me about half of this thread to work out who you were talking about and I am very sorry that he had to be banned. What some deem boring others found interesting and his threads generated an average number of replies so presumably they weren't so bad.
As a relatively new contributor to this site I must admit that it can be a bit daunting to write down your thoughts etc for the scrutiny of folk you don't know. One little run in with Less a while ago brought me up short at first, then I realised what a loveable old rascal he is (as they say in the best women's magazines Less is more....which always features alongside Grey is the new black and other such startling truths). Other members have been helpful and witty and in the end, you know, it takes all sorts. Variety is the spice of life after all.... G - stop beating yourself up, heavy-weights don't usually get thrown into the ring with fly-weights and wouldn't throw any punches unless they were blind-folded, which was effectively the case....keep up the bear-baiting though.:thumbsup: |
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Isn't it supposed to be chanted at the swearing in ceremony, and never written down? At least that's what one of the members of the clique once told me. :rolleyes::D |
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I can just see them now, sat in the Railway, trouser legs rolled up giving themselves funny handshakes!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D
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I just disagreed with it. I don't think anyone's been 'holier than thou'. Not that I've seen evidence of anyway. |
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Judging a book by its' cover.
When we buy a book..or borrow one for that matter, it is usual to read the synopsis, and the comments made by the critics....this is how we decide whether this particular book is going to be something we invest time in...and read. If the book cover looks boring, or the synopsis is lack lustre then we probably won't bother with it.....we have made the judgement. We all judge books by their cover....and a forum members profile is all we can go on until we are fortunate enough to meet the member in person. While I know there is nothing in the rules that says we have to be truthful, it is very different to put something that is calculated to mislead....and I appreciate that this doesn't give other members carte blanche to get on that persons case. I never really gave creedence to the theory that the person being discussed in this thread was someone who already had a forum identity....and was just posting these mundane threads to wind people up. The threads and posts on the forum, by this person, I found tedious(I eventually used the ignore button)....and made comment to that effect. I make no apology for that because it is how I would treat any other member of the forum.(I don't think I was ever nasty to this member - if I was, then I apologise for that) If you come on here as an adult then you should expect to be treated like an adult. |
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Ninety percent of them contain little, or no information. So all I have to go on, in deciding what someone is like, is from what they post. Which in the case of the person concerned, may have been banal, but was never, ever nasty, or snide. Yet that's what they got back from many of us. I'm sure there are lots of people on here I'll never meet in person. That doesn't mean I won't have an opinion about someone's character. I loved Westender, and shared many happy interactions with her, but sadly never met her, and now of course I won't, because sadly she's passed away. We do all form opinions about other people. Sometimes we discover out inital opinion was right. Other times they aren't. |
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Yes, you are right.
Introductory posts help too. The only reason I looked at this members profile was because the posts were so short, and seemed to have only one focus/ topic. It is inevitable that we make judgements based on what we know.....or at least what we think we know....that is why so many people have been duped in internet friendships....because you can purport to be anything you want...whether it is true or not, well that is another matter entirely. |
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Everyone can have an equal voice. Especially on a forum such as this. It doesn't matter whether in 'real life' you are shy, stutter, aren't very confident with language, or even if you can't communicate verbally at all. You can say whatever you want. Be someone different. You can have a voice, even if in reality you literally haven't got one. I disagree with all this guff about proof of identity being needed, before what we post is taken seriously. Even if we physically meet people, we all still self-edit what we want people to see, and know about us. I suspect for most of us, there'll only be a very small number of people who'll know the 'real' person. If any. |
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